16 Sep 2025 07:28:03
Don't know how true this is, but I heard that only 5000 tickets have been sold for the Hibs game.
16 Sep 2025 07:44:49
The CCCS will have took money off before Hearts game so can't see that being true, plenty who have already paid myself included have paid but are not going tho.
16 Sep 2025 07:46:13
Alot on cccs have cancelled it. Look at the stadium plan. Thered not been a lot sold.
16 Sep 2025 07:48:56
That's true I read that today.
16 Sep 2025 07:51:30
Struts last week Rangers said circa 25000.
16 Sep 2025 08:07:18
Perhaps this is a good thing for the team if it is a fact that they are struggling to adapt to playing for a club our size. there will only be 5000 voices booing and they might be used to that so will play as they do in training. 49ers have deep enough pockets to be able to stand this for a while and they might even have foreseen it happening.
16 Sep 2025 08:20:39
Angus if they can't play in front of 50k they are at the wrong club and one cup game where the grounds half full is not changing that.
16 Sep 2025 08:25:13
General sale isn't until wed so not true reflection of sale just yet but I do reckon it won't be full.
16 Sep 2025 08:26:50
Can Rangers apply to play their games at Auchinhowie to save the wee players from the big bad men?
16 Sep 2025 08:42:41
Woshy I know but they need to get a run of games where they gain the confidence to be able to play in front of 50K.
just a question though how do you check before a player is signed that they have the mental fortitude to play in front of 50k. we don't have budget to sign players at that level so how can you guarantee it. Is it coincidence that our one success this season is Gassam who comes from a club who has a crowd of 43k+
btw I am trying here to find solutions rather than just joining in with the shouts to sack.
16 Sep 2025 09:19:17
Let's not get drafted in to yet another RM narrative designed to cover his failings. Yes it's a tough place to play with freedom when things aren't going to plan but how does he explain the away performances to St Mirren and Motherwell on opening day of season, or lacklustre displays in Europe when fans tend to be more forgiving?
Before Saturday there was no mention of this as a core issue, it was supposedly the uncertainty transfer window that was the problem, before that it was new players adapting, before that we don't have the right players in the building yet, before that the players need to get up to full fitness ……. need I go on.
Fact is Martin deflects at every opportunity and we as fans should stop listening to the dross that comes out of this man's mouth, and certainly not take it as factual
I personally believe that the players would prosper under a new coach and thrive in the environment of if Ibrox when RM is gone.
16 Sep 2025 09:20:02
Think it too late Angus, he will be gone soon imo.
16 Sep 2025 09:23:15
Is it the 50k causing the anxiety and confidence issues tho or the manager who said the exact same problems at MK Dons, Swansea, and Southampton? It's easy for him to keep making excuses and blaming everyone else but if the same thing happens wherever he goes the answer is clear.
16 Sep 2025 09:32:11
Fork that may be the case and said before I am okay with that. I am nto someone who screams and scream until I am sick if I don't get my own way ;) as you will know; I try to see solutions everywhere and it does regularly annoy people.
the main problem is the culture in and around the club and if fans can't see that they can be a huge help in solving that for the next manager then we wotn get anywhere. do you really see us suddenly becoming a title winning team when we change or even tbh a team who regularly win matches. I just can't and think we will go through the entire process again especially if a large enough portion of fans don't agree with the manager. we will improve but not to the level fans want straight away.
16 Sep 2025 09:43:29
Angus imo we have to stop signing players who play for clubs who have no pressure to win each week. We obviously cannot go to Liverpool and Man City and sign players, but we can afford to go to teams that play in scandanvia, and smaller European nations who play for the biggest teams who are expected to win each week, for example I expect Cornelius to be able to handle the pressure as he's experienced it at Malmo and Marseille. What pressure has max Aaron's ever played under? Our recruitment has been pathetic for years and this summer is looking to be no different.
16 Sep 2025 09:44:38
On another matter, it appears the net spend is approx £8m and not as Thelwell suggested
Re the Hibs game, I have always stuck to 3pm on a saturday if I can't get in when it is at that time I just go watch a local juniors game . Think Hibs will be offered as many tickets as they want, I was at a cup game v them long time ago where they had a full stand filled.
16 Sep 2025 09:52:39
There's 31k sold so far however that includes CCCS, STH and MyGers. I believe a lot of people who have tickets already aren't going. Public sale will be lucky to sell 5k IMO unless its Hibs fans buying in BR4.
16 Sep 2025 10:05:33
If folk are actually believing that playing at Ibrox in front of our own fans is the issue, then what happened to the players in the Motherwell and St Mirren away games? We were fortunate to get a point in both games and there was only around 10k fans at the Motherwell game and less 7k at St Mirren. I'm afraid this is just the latest in a long line of excuses from RM. None of which he ever accepts his responsibility for the confusing system or lack of tactics and shape to the team to even do the basics. Angus, the club could sign more players from the Scottish league who have played at Ibrox before and have an understanding of the demands of playing for a big club like ours. That would at least be a start.
16 Sep 2025 10:24:10
Like Stammer he is running out of lies!
16 Sep 2025 10:33:24
Bang on Bearsbear it's been a different excuse after a different excuse since the start of the season. Throw in blaming past managers, club culture, past mentality, dubious injuries, agents, applying training to match day, the list goes on.
16 Sep 2025 11:06:09
Finding it hard to have sympathy for these wee souls if it's true. It's a hard life turning up earning more in a week than most do a month. Going to Rangers every day to play football. O the stress and anxiety my confidence.
For RM to use this is questionable.
Going by what I have read this is the same narrative he used at his other clubs.
Using this for me is ridiculous for people who do really suffer from debilitating stress and anxiety.
If players are suffering I would be looking into other reasons for it and offering support.
16 Sep 2025 11:08:26
This "can't play in front of 50k" nonsense doesn't wash.
He's not won an away game either and has been just as pish in those games as the ones at home.
It's also the same "anxiety" crap he's pulled out at every other club he's failed to break the 40% win % at. A quick google for his interviews tells you he's used the same line in every single job he's had.
I'd argue that if you think the players are anxious in all 4 of your jobs, you're the common denominator.
16 Sep 2025 11:19:15
Angus - What solution is it that you are hoping to find other than getting a real man manager who gains players respect - who is tactically proficient to build confidence and get fans onside? I hate the idea of throwing cash at a payoff and having managerial merry-go-round yet again but its obvious this appointment has been a horrendous error (which at some point we need to accept) and the players who are now in place are not all bad but not playing anywhere near to their A game - so what needs done to improve things?
16 Sep 2025 11:21:20
Wishy thanks for having a football discussion as it is an issue over and above Martin's lack of ability or suitability.
I agree that in a perfect world that would make sense as they would at least have experience of challenging for the title every year. you reduce the risk of them not being able to handle it mentally. it does make for a small pool to recruit from though, increase the price potentially and we would miss out on Igamane type players. look at Gassama and Meghome as well where they didn't have that expectation but seem to be adapting to the situation much better.
most years we struggle as we change 10 players minimum so they aren't coming into a settled team who are challenging for the title. If we could get to that stage the whole process would become easier as we only need to bed in 1 or 2 and we could have the majority bought from the teams you mention.
16 Sep 2025 11:28:47
Wishy, scandinavian teams don't have 40K regular supporters.
AI:
"Hammarby IF from Sweden holds the record for the highest average home attendance in Scandinavia, with a record-breaking average of 26,372 spectators in the 2022 season and has historically had high figures. Other Swedish clubs like Malmö FF and AIK, and Norwegian club SK Brann, also have high historical and recent attendance figures, but Hammarby's average is consistently the highest in the region."
16 Sep 2025 11:54:54
50k didn't seem to affect Queens Park last year or any other club bar Celtic who come to our hallowed emporium .
16 Sep 2025 12:26:10
Its not about the size of the crowd, smaller crowds can produce hostile atmosphere . It is about the demands of the Rangers support and the need to win every game, even a draw is bad result partly because of the nature of the Scottish league.
They were quite happy to play in front of a big crowd in two of the European games and to a lesser extent the OF game . All games that that they turned up and at least tried to put in a performance that gave the fans something to get behind.
The two league games against Dundee and Hearts were dreadful especially in the first half because too many of them didn't turn up. Maybe we should be playing guys like Raskin and even young Curtis who don't seem anxious about the crowd.
16 Sep 2025 12:41:39
Blue Floyd probably time but managers never get that at the OF. because no-one wanted him the atmosphere turned toxic really quickly this time and it isn't just me who is saying that; read what Martin is saying about it. he mentions how he feels sorry for the players in the current toxic environment. so if people don't think this affects players then fine.
(BF not aimed at you) spare me the rubbish by the way if signs of improvement yah de yah because I remember Clement. He was the messiah when he arrived s he managed to claw back a gap in the league; as soon as he lost a few games then he was a rubbish manager. only manager who will get backing here will be one who wins the league every year.
my biggest worry is that we are on a slippery slope now with the managerial merry-go-round that we may never get off it soon. if every new manager has to win every game whilst building then we won't win anything soon. what is meant is that he will get a way with a few poor performances but please don't lose or draw to a team with a lower budget than us.
one thing is sure Martin will eventually go, and probably soon, but I hope it is when the owners choose and not to appease fans. we need to stop doing that to get off that merry-go-round imo.
16 Sep 2025 12:49:48
Cant play in front of big crowds now is it? c'mon that's nonsense most of these guys are used to big crowds even championship/ league 1 cluvs can get decent crowds and our closed door game in hungry didn't exactly go well did it. These guys are pro footballers. The only anxiety is created by Martin that has not only spread through the team but through the fans now too even the most diehard lads are thinking of not turning up at games and that must hurt them deeply and the blame for that rests with Martin . . . and possibly Thelwell too.
16 Sep 2025 12:50:21
Geesado read what I said, I said sign players from teams with an expectancy to win, players who are playing for Malmo and similar sized clubs are expected to win every week.
Also Angus agree it narrows down the pool and sometimes we will be out priced but we literally just spent 10m on a player so we could afford to if we wanted too in certain situations.
16 Sep 2025 13:05:02
Sorry was typing so fats I meant read what Chris Sutton is saying about it.
16 Sep 2025 13:14:19
Wishy as I say we agree but just pointing out how difficult it is to get both players used to winning and playing for a club this size. even those players wills till be surprised how different it is to play for OF; remember Antman's presser where he said he knew what to expect but it was still a shock. we did spend £10M correct and he comes from a background of Sporting where they are expected to win, albeit not often in their first team. he also played for Everton who historically would be looking to win most games. so is £10M the price to buy potential for a player who plays for clubs where that expectancy is. I think we need to get a settled winning team this season and then build a few players who improve the team using the methodology you say, i. e. players from teams expected to win and then development from others who we can teach that expectancy.
16 Sep 2025 14:27:26
Angus -I fear the worst - we have seen little to no signs of cohesion or direction from Martin to players- numerous fallouts and folk getting thrown under the bus emphasises to me the players have no respect for a waffle merchant - no tactical nous and don't get me started on a supposed leadership group - we NEED a united dressing room and that comes from belief in the man in charge and frankly it looks as if RM has lost his dressing room and will not get that back. We have played one decent game as a team and squad and that was our home Plzen game - I can stand losing or drawing games if I see any improvement but at present there is not a jot of improvement and even if players didn't have skillset there is no excuse for lack of effort and will to win which is plainly evident! We buy wingers with pace and don't utilise them? We have a centre with pace and can't service him - something is badly wrong! Tactics -I would say!
Could you imagine a leadership group (same losers who feel hard done by imho) going to Sir Alex with gripes and moans - they would get short shrift and rightly so - we are fractured as a club and need a strong man at the helm and am sorry to say RM is NOT that man (nor do I like the constant merry-go-round too but see only one end to this) ?.
16 Sep 2025 14:41:27
I agree it's a difficult task mate but that's where the DOF has got to earn his money. While I agree sporting is a club that is expected to win each week he didn't play a lot in that environment as he was sold early and was mainly in their youths. It's up to the club to rectify the poor recruitment because as much as I think Martin is not the answer the recruitment has been as big a problem as anything in why we are going through so many managers in recent years.
16 Sep 2025 15:15:15
Just saw an interview where he said "I don't drop a player they are not dropped that's never the case I need them all and we rotate the squad " then said "If we DROP a player it's for the good of the team "
The plot is lost pay him off and whatever the cost it's a bargain.
What happened at MK Dons, Swansea and Southampton is being repeated and the same excuses repeated incl "anxiety, tension, fear " and in training they are fantastic "
16 Sep 2025 15:28:58
BF I agree that there isn't much to be happy about and the the dressing room isn't united although perhaps some of the issues are being caused in a way as he is trying to sort that. I just don't know. every manager we have had has been accused of throwing players under the bus when things go wrong. other than Iga who deserved it IMO and perhaps Raskin. I do know he won't be the last manager who gets accused of it.
I have mentioned before the Plzen game as it showed the tactics did work and there are other periods of games when i see green shoots but they never materialise into anything longer term. part of that will be tactical but why don't we see the same Plzen tactics being played and them failing? that must be the players surely not playing the tactics. that takes us back to Wishy and my chat about the right recruitment.
So I also see him being sacked but not probably as quickly as we want. thanks for at least chatting about it reasonably.
16 Sep 2025 16:45:24
Angus that is true about a settled squad I agree 100% the problem with a settled squad our full defence is on loan/ out of contract end of season so going to be same next season having to bed most in and it's a crucial part of the team. People at the club should be sacked just for that.
16 Sep 2025 16:48:33
The plzen game ?♂️ the tactics haven't worked on 99% of the games so the plzen game is a one off.
It's just embarrassing now to keep bringing that up how many games in 12 and you bring up the one good game ?
People aren't being reasonable with you because you aren't being reasonable with them mate.
16 Sep 2025 19:09:17
Crazy thing Angus after the Plzen game that gave us some hope and had fans buzzing, he criticised Antman and hasn't tried to play that way since. Went straight into Dundee game saying it was an ideal chance to go back to how they'd trained so far. The mind boggles.