14 Sep 2025 22:55:52
Scottish sun exclusive so take it with a pinch of salt. Andrew cavenagh gave RM his full backing during a transatlantic phone call last night.
15 Sep 2025 00:46:05
Well then the yanks can p#ss off too.
Clearly not got a clue about rangers, the fans or the demands.
15 Sep 2025 03:46:07
Without the "yanks" we may not have even had a club at all.
15 Sep 2025 05:25:16
I agree Yellowstone, but the owners have to understand the workings/ expectations of our great club and we just can't accept this mediocrcy mate ? We're in absolute freefall under russell martin and getting worse, if that's possible ?We the supporters are the lifeblood and our owners i would have thought want to have a very good relationship with our fanbase in general ?.
15 Sep 2025 05:27:17
Really?
15 Sep 2025 06:36:34
These Americans seem like clowns Leeds fans even starting to get annoyed with them.
15 Sep 2025 08:00:30
Do you guys actually realise the state our club was in before they took control? Let's quite with the nonsense that they can get to as well, or it'll be a case of be careful what you wish for.
15 Sep 2025 08:30:18
Alloa correct. they have a plan to make us successful long-term and that obviously includes Martin at this moment in time. Would they have liked that success to start after 5 league games; I am sure they would have but they won't be panicking that it hasn't, hence the reason they haven't just chosen to sack the manager. Nothing to do with not having money to sack him but just sticking to their plans I imagine.
SWS if they give in to the fanbase every time things start to go wrong then they have painted themselves into a corner for every other decision they have to make. I don't and have never made decisions to be popular but to be successful in medium to long term.
btw I agree our football under Martin is atrocious but wonder how the players would react if they had 50000 fans supporting them totally during a match for the first time. think European night and how that support gave the teams the confidence to beat some European top teams. keep the anti-Martin stuff till after the game. won't be a popular opinion but well I am used to that ?.
15 Sep 2025 08:38:04
Well here is to supporting a mid table team fellas. Cheers!
Better enjoy our European nights the now as there isn't going to be any in our future for a while after.
15 Sep 2025 08:52:56
Poor Andrew Cavenagh, he thought he knew what he was doing but clearly doesn't if this is true. He's slowly losing respect from his supporters while delaying the inevitable. I said it yesterday and will keep saying it…
RM is gone from supporters view. The ships sailed, there is zero he can do with his abilities to turn this around. Now the fans are looking at KT, Stewart and two owners and thinking. are you really this inept.
15 Sep 2025 09:06:01
Financially no european football next season is a killer. Loss of about 30 mill.
15 Sep 2025 09:19:31
The owners have been advised by rockets, let them sort it, though I must say Americans have not had much success in UK with sockah and Leeds are struggling a bit . Offer them Rothwell that might help .
15 Sep 2025 09:21:58
You are 100% correct, there is no way back for Russell Martin, any chance he had of winning over the support has gone. His comment after Saturdays match "they don't count, the majority never wanted me here anyway" was the final nail in the coffin. It's now only a matter of time before he goes, he's only delaying the inevitable.
15 Sep 2025 09:24:25
What the new owners need to understand is there is no sky tv revenue to prop up the club, there is no annual multi million pound sponsorship, there is no real player trading model.
Like it or not the club relies on the fans, the sale of merch, match day earnings as their bread and butter, if they loose the fans they loose their investment.
Tough decisions need to be made before they loose the complete fanbase.
15 Sep 2025 09:32:50
Our club was not in this state before the Americans arrived that's for sure, they appointed a group of imposters and all of those need to go from the gobskitter chief exec down . One per week will do no need for panic today start the morra. with Thelwell .
15 Sep 2025 09:36:18
The new owners had relatively easy road to Champions League and 40 mill, they need EuropFootball next year to stay alive and relevant, so far it looks like we might blow that as well. only other revenue is fans! and they have very rapidly screwed that relationship as well?
Is it just me?
15 Sep 2025 09:36:19
Understand the customers lads or you fail, if we all changed to Linfield punters we would do no bad, jeez we could get Harthill Royal in to the premier league within 4-5 years.
15 Sep 2025 09:48:47
The yanks have a perfect understanding buts it's a buisness. it probably us who demand and expect us to win everything and be the club we once were. is there domination and our clubs lack of fight that's making us feel this way. If the yanks didn't come in we would be looking towards being liquidated again and that's the harsh truth.
15 Sep 2025 09:55:32
Kiwi, if we the fans don't support the club then there is no club is what you are saying. Then what do we as fans do? The last 13 years have been for nothing.
As angry as I am about this whole debacle, we need to be careful what we wish for here and what we do. The owners could make a decision to get rid and of RM and have another go at kick starting our revival and bring the fans back onside. If they don't I fear for the club long term, those that walk away now may never return, how long do people boycott, not buy merchandise and match day catering? I am sure I read the forecast for income was due to be down last year already. We think we are hitting the owners in the pocket but we are just hitting ourselves as a club overall.
It's a catch 22 and I don't know the answer. What a mess again! I said on here yesterday I am not buying euro package until RM is gone, we have barely sold 50% of the seats and the first game is 10 days away.
15 Sep 2025 10:10:57
You really think they don't understand about the sky deal Kikiger?
Player trading has started as well.
Jefte signed for 800k last summer sold for 6.5m this summer, 5.7m profit.
Igamane signed for 1.7m last summer sold for 10.4m this summer, 8.7m profit.
15 Sep 2025 10:40:37
Are Leeds United struggling? Yes but that's the Premier League and if Leeds rans are annoyed then they should have a reality check, every year the promoted teams get smashed and FFP stop anyone except the top teams from moving forward example Newcastle and Aston Villa should be title challenging or top 4 but need to sell their best to reinvest, add to the crazy fees for bang average players and one season wonders, Solanke was 60 million for 1 good season at the age of 27 and pundits Wonder why Ange was terrible.
15 Sep 2025 10:41:01
As a fan base it's almost impossible to see football as a business, but in the modern era that's what it is for an owner. Yes some may become emotionally involved, but that usually comes on the back of a run of success, however for most it's about revenue and growth from a balance sheet.
The investment from owners will come with a level of benchmarking aligned to short, medium and long term goals, with a defined exit strategy.
3 months is no time at all in the grand scheme of things from the owners perspective, and as new owners they will have a degree of tolerance re 'short term pain - for long term gain'
What I believe they have underestimated is that we are not conventional customers and have the power to impact both revenue and brand value, offsetting the projections for shareholders - which is where the penny will eventually drop. When that is, I don't know, but let's not be fooled in to thinking the US owners will kneejerk - have we not seen what has happened at Man Utd in the last decade?
The owners expect the CEO to run the business, and therefore it's down to PS and co to make decisions on key personnel to lead all key areas of the club, aligned to the board strategy, therefore he needs to assess whether or not RM and DofF etc are performing to the level required. Clearly all can see he is not.
Whether a fan, or a board member - it's vividly clear that RM is beyond redemption and I would fully expect there to be a process of due dillegence taking place to provide a contingency allowing for RM to leave the club and an new First Team Coach to be appointed.
I would expect the transition to take place before the next international break.
15 Sep 2025 10:45:34
RM suggests the players are full of anxiety to play in front of the 50,000 expectant fan base. There is only one requirement at Rangers and that is to compete and win football games. We can accept poor performance but have to win. We as a club are now mediocre at best and accepting of it . Is this the Rangers we support and have supported.
Maybe the players will benefit from an empty stadium but the commercial message gets through to the board to change things. The manager always has and always will be responsible for the results.
I for one won't be back until RM Is removed . I was at the game when John Greig got sacked and this is now much worse than those times and he was and is a legend. I've a 7 hour round trip to watch this gutless garbage. Paying the money is not an issue but losing my time to this RM arrogance is for me now too much. His disrespect to the people who have got this club through the last 15 years is jaw dropping.
15 Sep 2025 10:46:39
Patrick the Atheist, humanist (he's no sure) Aberdeen supporter needs to be removed but do not allow him to be interviewed after removal, guy's a moosh and should not be anywhere near a football club. badminton, croquet, knitting, aye give it a go but no football.
15 Sep 2025 10:53:05
Coop I get what your saying but how many fans here remember the days before Murray and Souness
1980-81 Season:
An average home league attendance of 20,457, with a highest attendance of 35,000 against Celtic.
1982-83 Season:
An average home league attendance of 18,123, but a highest attendance of 45,000 for a match against Celtic.
This is a real possibility of the results do not dramatically change of management and tactics.
I was there in the early 80's …. almost empty stadium and nothing to cheer for but we stuck it out.
Is the modern fan willing to endure this once again? I don't know but something has to change and change soon.
15 Sep 2025 10:57:08
A Saudi prince may have been better, hope one doesn't take over Partick Thistle or we are all in trouble .
15 Sep 2025 11:15:34
If Martin is our manager beyond the next few weeks we are absolutely screwed.
15 Sep 2025 11:25:41
If they have long term plans and those long term plans include the current mediocrity under Martin (the worst any of us have ever seen), fine, but be honest with the fans about that.
You have a plan. Great. This is part of it and as much as we'd prefer to be winning we need to stick with it because [fill in blanks here].
I'm afraid in any business you don't get to lie to your customers by telling them one thing ("we're winners and there won't be an acceptance of not winning") then have a plan in the background that delivers another.
Otherwise you pretty soon won't have any customers.
Personally, I think this is all nonsense. I don't believe that backing was given and i don't believe this is part of their plan. But for those looking to rationalise it, there you are. You don't get to have it both ways without risking the business (which is nothing without the customers)
15 Sep 2025 11:49:27
Mills you are severely deluded if you think the club was in a better financial position before they took over.
15 Sep 2025 11:54:32
Kiwi do you honestly think these billionaire businessmen don't understand that? Seriously. ?
Do you think they missed all this when doing their due diligence…
They'll do it their way whether we like it or not. And you won't chase this lot out like the old board.
15 Sep 2025 12:00:11
Angus you are definitely Russell Martin!
I know there was Talk of Mick Mole being on this chat but I'm convinced you're Russell.
15 Sep 2025 12:54:26
Without the Yanks we would not have invested so much in players and had to sell a few of our own, probably replacing them with loans . Isn't that more or less what has happened anyway, we have sold a few of our players and apart from a £10 million spend on Chermiti more or less broke even in transfers . We are third bottom of the league, we haven't won a league game and got slaughtered in Europe, would we be any worse off of we had brought in Mulligan and Shankland on frees an a few more like Kasanwirjo for lower fees.
If the Yanks plan that they are sticking too is to get us relegated so that Martin can bring us back up in a blaze of glory then it is working but if the plan is for success on the field then they have put the wrong people in charge to achieve it and the four of them must go, starting with the god awful manager.
15 Sep 2025 13:07:00
Polar drat you have caught me. I also had the foresight a year and a bit before I got the job I would come on here and start posting. just as well I did because otherwise I would have been a new poster and it would have been so obvious that everyone would have seen me already ?
btw read my f n posts and you would se they are in support of the club.
15 Sep 2025 13:07:43
Gdog good post and what I have been saying for a while. the only way to placate the fans if Martin is staying is to be honest and tell them why. I just don't see it happening though.
15 Sep 2025 13:19:52
@Lmac I'm not doubting the knowledge of the new investors and owners but I'm questioning their understanding of the passion of the game in Scotland.
It's all fine and well looking at numbers and a spreadsheet but do figures really translate to actual fans?
Although I'm now in NZ and many miles away my heart and soul is Rangers that will never fade i was there with crowds of 5k and also there on the unveiling of mojo ? have seen the good best and the ugly.
If they loose matchday revenue it could seriously dent their plans to make us a multi billion pound team.
I hope I'm wrong and just being very judgemental and critical but I very much doubt it.
We need to move quickly whether that's RM or somebody else I don't really care but we meet to change immediately, with the possibility of the season being over in September…… yes September we cannot sit back and allow this to continue.
15 Sep 2025 14:24:46
AlloaGer1 whoever is reading the comments to you needs sacked mate I said it wasn't in this state in a footballing sense yeah financially it appears better but that is getting chucked around by imposters.
15 Sep 2025 15:00:16
So was I KIWI … we all want RM gone but these owners will do it when they want not when you or I want.
This Club is the last 15 yrs has been close to being non existent twice so whilst I think Steinsson and Thelwell have failed in RM's appointment I have no illusions that Cavanagh and Maraghe understand this Club. Even if they have decided to remove RM it's probably a good idea to get your next man lined up and agreed with a compensation package ready for RM.
We've had that many interim Managers and it doesn't work.
I hoped for 2nd place this year and a bit closer to them. I still think that can and will happen.
15 Sep 2025 15:36:27
M mills at no time do you mention in a football sense. Never. So Alloa reply is fair mate.
15 Sep 2025 16:29:31
John I said it wasn't in this state and I didn't say anything about financials either, the other poster just assumed that, the conversation on here has been entirely about football, so I suppose I must make it clearer even though we are all talking football and results. Maybe people should ask what I meant rather than just diving in and assuming. to be clear . it's football and results not financials .
15 Sep 2025 17:02:36
Thanks for reply mills, we will agree to disagree.
15 Sep 2025 17:14:09
Just because they are businessmen doesn't mean they get everything right because it's clearly obvious they don't. Angus you are supporting the manager tho by supporting those in charge and not saying they haven't made a mistake. You are 100% clearly backing him and that's reading your posts.
15 Sep 2025 19:35:49
John2575 we? . aye so will we mate no problem glad that's over .
15 Sep 2025 19:40:46
Wasn't just the home fans Angus, the wins had a lot to do with Gerrard and Gio's tactical systems, in retaining possession, attacking through open channels created, box overloads and gerrards tiki taka was superb, plus we had teams under both that had ambition and wanted success, the fitness levels under gerrard were excellent we could go for 120 mins if need be, while our oppenents fatigued far earlier from constantly chasing the ball while we made utter mugs out of them.
and we had an excellent training and fitness coaches, our players were barely injured under Gerrard and his backroom crew.
15 Sep 2025 23:52:53
Cooper11, yea I agree we best watch what we wish for or all players could be sold along with the stadium& before we know it govan could have a new supermarket .