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01 Sep 2024 13:14:57
Butland, Cerny and Diomande are nowhere near as good as our fanbase think they are. Not even close. I'd have hooked Diomande after 30 minutes.
Every single player in their starring 11 today is better than the player in ours.
Entirely predictable, but this is a case of "how many".
We're not very good and, as expected, weaker than last year.
1.) 01 Sep 2024 13:21:28
Been disappointed by Cerny first half.
2.) 01 Sep 2024 13:21:55
Where is all the Barron and Sterling sitting mid supporters, that’s what you get with that stupid layer choice. Like a whole in the middle Celtic play through time and time again. Such a painful 90 mins again!
3.) 01 Sep 2024 13:25:11
Think there is bigger problems than diomande, I for one quite like him he gets stuck in and try’s to carry the team forward but he can be frustrating at times. Butland has had a stinker today no clue what he was doing for the second goal and the first goal he could have done a bit better perhaps. I think propper is miles off it.
4.) 01 Sep 2024 13:26:41
Very poor, lambs to the slaughter every year, and the ref doesn’t help booking our players for extremely soft challenges. You want them to be aggressive but the ref won’t allow it.
Kyogo the difference again. Dessers never fails to disappoint! Kyogo 2 chances. Hits the back of the net twice. Dessers can’t stay inside or even test the keeper.
The only hope for the season is Danilo getting back fit and pushing this lad out the team for good. We will win nothing with him leading the line.
As for Cerny - utterly hopeless!
5.) 01 Sep 2024 13:27:00
The front line seem unable to hold the ball up today which is an essential part of playing away at Celtic. If the front 3 can’t hold the ball up it’s already an uphill battle .
6.) 01 Sep 2024 13:30:39
Jefte also very very poor this will be at least 4 nil here.
7.) 01 Sep 2024 13:30:58
I said before that Butland is an average goalkeeper, his positioning is really poor.
I also said that I can't see why we paid £4.5m for Diomande.
Dessers offers nothing in big games.
Souttar and Tav need dropped and Cerny flatters to deceive.
So much for a weaker Celtic midfield.
Me and the dug are away out a walk.
8.) 01 Sep 2024 13:34:09
Yes, we do look weaker than last year. And last year we were worse than the year before. The shock today is how much worse we look. We can only hope that the new signings bed in and improve. But there is clearly work to be done on the training ground to improve pace, fitness, speed of thought, game plan. Of course, 3 goals in the second half for the Gers will change it all!
9.) 01 Sep 2024 13:34:23
I also said the 10 doesn't work. Ah well.
15 Aug 2024 08:45:59
There seems to be a fairly even split in our fanbase at the moment:
- It's a rebuild, it takes time and PC shouldn't be judged till he gets his own players in.
- Rebuild or not, it isn't good enough and though we all agree many need to be replaced we should be getting more out of the players we have even while we rebuild.
It's becoming quite polarised at times.
I find myself in the second group. I know we have a number of players who simply aren't good enough and acknowledge the reckless spending of the club hierarchy over the last 3 managers in giving average players large salaries making it difficult to move them on. This, for me, isn't in question and I don't for a second think getting these players off the wage bill is easy.
But I think while that's true it's also a fair statement to say that our manager should be getting more from them overall and question some of his decisions. It's evident he's made a good few poor ones. I think it's also fair to say that the style of play, even with these players, has many people scratching their heads. There doesn't seem to be one, or rather not an attractive one to watch if what we've seen since PC came in is the target end state, just with poor players.
I'm not calling for his head, I think changing managers too often is one of the reasons we're where we are and we do need some stability on that front as we transform the playing squad. But I think it's also fair to say that PC is not immune to criticism just because we are in a rebuild.
2 wins from 12 games since the last Old firm (including the friendlies) simply isn't good enough for this squad of players, no matter how much we acknowledge this squad isn't good enough overall.
I can't think off the top of my head of a worse run of form in my 50 years supporting this club (though I'm sure there must be, I just can't recall! )
Anyway, my main point here was that both things can be true at once, it doesn't have to be binary. We can acknowledge the huge job needed on the playing side while also questioning the manager for what he's getting out of the squad he has. He has a worse record than all of his 3 predecessors, so far.
And, before it's brought up, none of this absolves the board of their own failings, of which there are also many. Top to bottom we're in a bit of a mess at the moment. But, again, that doesn't mean the manager shouldn't be getting more out of what he has.
Walter did. His team second time round wasn't much (if any) better than the squad we have now. He won a league and got to a European final with Kirk Broadfoot et al.
1.) 15 Aug 2024 09:07:01
Best post I’ve read on here in ages Gdog55
Cracking post mate and agree 100% with all of what you have said
honestly not sure where we are headed and the worry is I don’t think the manager or the board do either?
2.) 15 Aug 2024 09:09:02
Gd post Gdog but can you serialise it next time lol? that's a 2 cuppa post?? only kidding mate can't argue with any of that?.
3.) 15 Aug 2024 09:38:16
Good post GD - agree re players - we have many who seem to be coasting and picking up the wages - some more Scottish identity is required I feel with a TRUE leader on park and more goals - changing the manager in a knee jerk reaction would be criminal considering our financial plight, but yes the players themselves need a good look at themselves and I ask are we getting 100% out of all of them - definitely not - most should be embarrassed to come of the pitch given the effort they have put in recently. Barron must be looking around him and thinking if half these lads put in the same effort and desire we would not be getting any grief from stands!
There is no real creativity in our team and if we think that Matondo (who is one of our worst all time buys) and Mc Causland will provide that then we are very much mistaken - Cerny has brains and guile and is about the only true source of quality balls in and around the box. Given Butland's quote regarding direction - I really wonder what is going on behind the scenes as although many are having doubts about PC - for him to walk or be moved on will leave us in a more precarious situation - he needs backed on and off pitch and let's get rid of the very average deadwood losers who wear our jersey (and there are many) and finally see where we are.
4.) 15 Aug 2024 09:38:26
Agree Gdog. Back to the board….
Would any shrewd competent investor put money into us. Hell, I can average 9%+ tax free on my investments and I don’t have an MBA ?.
5.) 15 Aug 2024 09:42:37
Superb post GDog. You’ve nailed it. Need big change at Board level but that’s not easy either. Be an interesting AGM this year too.
6.) 15 Aug 2024 09:47:37
? ? ? Post of the year gdog!
7.) 15 Aug 2024 09:50:08
Celtic weren't as far infront finically as they are now, when Walter came back second time . I don't think our manager us problem here . It's more the board we backed MB too far that's our problem . Look at all new managers signings they look as if the might do OK. Give him another 2 transfer windows he'll turn this around.
8.) 15 Aug 2024 10:27:34
I have been toying with wanting to post something on here for a few days, not really knowing what I wanted to say, only this is possibly one of the worst feelings I've had about my club for as long as my 50 years supporting them can remember.
You though have managed to echo what I, and I'm sure many others, have been feeling lately.
We will of course continue to follow follow, just wish we were in better shape.
2 cuppa post - lol.
9.) 15 Aug 2024 10:40:00
I agree with everything but to say Walter’s team wasn’t much better is just crazy. He had Greegsy, Ferguson, Thomson, Hemdani, Weir, Davis, Cuellar, Darcheville, mcculloch to name just a few.
10.) 15 Aug 2024 11:06:19
Good post gdog. I did a post last night trying to say what you said but you worded it a lot better. Bang on mate.
11.) 15 Aug 2024 11:39:49
Absolutely brilliant post gdog, can't disagree with any of that mate.
12.) 15 Aug 2024 11:55:07
Here’s something you missed out, it took Walter 3 seasons to bring back the league title, maybe we should give clement 3 seasons too? Lol.
13.) 15 Aug 2024 11:57:27
Well said Gdog. Great post mate and wholeheartedly agree ?.
14.) 15 Aug 2024 18:08:06
On the button gdog.
13 Aug 2024 21:01:21
Poor from Clement. Never a second yellow, but it was obvious from before half time Jefte was going to walk. Needs to learn when he's on a yellow and has had 3 fouls since just to stay out of that. He's taking, he'll learn, but he should have been removed at half time for Cerny, but McAusland.
1.) 13 Aug 2024 21:07:22
So stop challenging it was never a foul.
2.) 13 Aug 2024 21:14:06
Nonsense u can't take evevrybody off that's on a yellow. Wasnt even a foul.
3.) 13 Aug 2024 21:32:12
Agree, it was obvious Jefte was going to be sent off. Doesn’t mask that we couldn’t score in a brothel.
4.) 13 Aug 2024 21:32:49
I can't wait till he gets sacked. Beale was inexperienced this clown has no excuses. Time after time he gets every decision wrong. He caused the issue with Cantwell, Raskin and Jack.
I'm done, he's the type of clown the club deserves.
5.) 13 Aug 2024 21:38:20
But jefte was sent off for a joke of decision. U can't ask PC to legislate for that.
6.) 13 Aug 2024 21:39:29
Mate it’s not even a foul geez oh do you want him not to challenge! Been absolutely robbed.
7.) 13 Aug 2024 21:44:01
He doesn’t need to learn to stay out of that he’s done nowt wrong. Should he have been taken off, always easier to say in hindsight but he’s got every right to go for that ball ?♂️.
8.) 13 Aug 2024 21:44:42
Stay out of what Gdog, he jumped to win the ball, it's not even a foul never mind a yellow. Are you seriously suggesting a player on a yellow shouldn't make any challenges for the ball.
9.) 13 Aug 2024 21:48:30
He’s aloud to challenge for a header. It was a perfect jump. Great challenge.
Imo that ref has been bribed.
10.) 13 Aug 2024 21:51:35
What planet are you on?
11.) 13 Aug 2024 21:56:35
Park that chat. Player done nothing wrong, you want every player ever booked to be subbed. Ref made a howler, can’t even criticise the performance after being done like that.
12.) 13 Aug 2024 21:59:28
Gdog, it wasn’t even a foul. He won the ball clean. Didn’t use him to get up and won the ball about 2 ft above him.
13.) 13 Aug 2024 22:07:58
I’m actually said the same at HT. Jefte committed a foul near the halfway line and from where I was it looked like the ref reached for the card then realised it was Jefte. At that point I would have brought him off because he was on thin ice. But still, let’s be clear it was never a booking, it wasn’t even a foul.
VAR was supposed to be brought in to get the big decisions right? Yet they can’t use it for a second booking which could decide a game? Ludicrous!
14.) 13 Aug 2024 22:33:49
Why is it poor from PC?
It was poor from ref, no one else to blame. Not saying we would have won but you can only ask for a fair crack at the whip.
15.) 13 Aug 2024 22:37:18
Butland needs to learn how to save shots to his near post.
16.) 13 Aug 2024 23:47:29
Incredible take! The ref completely got it wrong, despite that we held out for 30 minutes before Butland had a save! I can only presume you didn’t see the game.
17.) 14 Aug 2024 07:47:30
Jesus Christ. I literally said in my post the it was never a yellow card.
But anyone who's ever been involved in the game knows when a player is going off for his next foul, whether the ref gets it wrong or not. The was so obvious with Jefte before half time. He got booked then had 2 more fouls.
No one has said anything so ludicrous as "take off every player who gets a yellow", that sort of false equivalence is just stupidity.
But when it's so obvious a player is going off for his next foul, legitimate or otherwise, that's what you pay good managers to deal with.
This isn't a binary issue of blame at stop trading it as such. The ref made a rip roaring James hunt of it, that doesn't mean Clement didn't also make a mistake that contributed to the situation too .
03 Aug 2024 13:52:35
Diomande is nowhere near as good as billed.
1.) 03 Aug 2024 14:10:09
He’s inconsistent.
2.) 03 Aug 2024 14:12:52
can't blame lundstram anymore so you realise the majority of our defensive midfield issues last season went through him, fans do this all the time they'll raise players like diomande up when he does nothin and dessers can score more goals than any of our strikers and he specifically is not good enough its weird.
3.) 03 Aug 2024 14:37:39
Said this once ge was about 8 games in. Poor version of kamara.
4.) 03 Aug 2024 17:26:46
Yep don’t see the hype and I said that last year. Barron at the end was the one taking the ball deep and trying to get us moving. Dio wants to play 1-2 in front of a crowded box. Lawrence showed better close control. As for he’s trying to do to much, again don’t see that.
27 Jul 2024 16:47:24
So, we've gone with the "let's sign a left back who's a worse defender than Barasic and Tav" approach.
It's a bold strategy cotton.
1.) 27 Jul 2024 16:54:07
I’ll look at this from both sides.
The boy is only 20 so he has a lot of development to do. He’s younger than Fraser.
On the other hand I mentioned when we were linked with him that a Cypriot football expert said that he gets ripped apart when he’s up against fast wingers and I got slaughtered for it.
Yilmaz will be our LB so let’s hope he can stay injury free this year.
2.) 27 Jul 2024 16:55:06
I’m struggling to see why we signed him tbh.
3.) 27 Jul 2024 16:55:15
Cortes fault for both goals not tracking his runner.
4.) 27 Jul 2024 17:00:37
Yeah unbelievable really! I mean it’s early and Jefte is just 20. He looks good going forward but he does concern me defensively. Let’s hope Ridvan and Sterling stay fit most of the season and we get a couple of good centre backs in. For the money Ben Davies is on he just doesn’t impress enough for me. We also need a number 6,10 and number 9. I’ve no shame in saying yes his name again Shankland, get him in! Will score the goals we need like Boyd to help us beat all the rest, plus the guy has scored goals against Celtic! I think £1.5-£2m for Shankland is a fair price but I would pay nearly £3m to get him as he is known to quantity and what we need!
5.) 27 Jul 2024 17:07:57
TJB - Currys should teach runner yes, but root cause is Jefte tucking too much and leaving the diagonal. A good full back there talks the striker onto the CB (who isn't marking anyone) and splits the difference. If he doesn't tuck beyond his post then the diagonal isn't on, he stops the union player trying it by his position.
So yes, Cortes is culpable for not tracking, but if Jefte does his job as a fullback he can rectify that then tell Cortes to get his finger out.
6.) 27 Jul 2024 17:44:32
Think he'd make a decent back up left winger lol seems to be were all his instinct is attack.
7.) 27 Jul 2024 17:59:22
The full backs always tuck in they are told to do that.
8.) 27 Jul 2024 18:22:52
Thought the problem was cortez looked heavy legged tracking back. It might be him just getting back up to pace after injury.
9.) 27 Jul 2024 19:09:42
Jefte certainly at fault as is Cortes but why r the crosses coming in from the right with such ease.
10.) 27 Jul 2024 19:13:19
Gdog surely the rb also has to stop the crosses coming in.
11.) 27 Jul 2024 21:30:16
He does John, yes, bit I've been saying that about Tav for 8 seasons so given up on fixing that issue.
Storm - yes, fullbacks tuck in, I didn't say they shouldn't, I said Jefte tucked too far. If he's gone beyond the post on his side when the ball is in the right back area, he's fine too far. For their third specifically, Davies is picking up no-one. As a CB I'd expect my full back to pass the runner coming into my space to me so he can hold his position and stop the exact ball that was played.
Look at this from an attacking perspective. When I coached I used to coach this exact play. CF pulls onto opposite fullback then makes a run inside to try and drag the fullback too narrow with him. The CF is never the target, his run is too move the FB out of position for the diagonal over his head to the actual target, the wide player filling the space.
A defensively savvy fullback sees that danger, passes the run (knowing that ball to the CF on that run is near impossible) and holds his position no narrower then his post. If he holds that position, the back carrier doesn't even play the ball, because the move trigger isn't set up, the trigger being the fullback taking the bait. Holding the position and passing the runner doesn't make it easier to defend the ball, it means you don't have to defend the ball because the player doesn't play it.
Take Tav and his long standing inability to stop that ball (not a cross, a long diagonal) and if Jefte positions like Ridvan when he came on, the ball doesn't get played.
02 Aug 2024 15:33:51
Jefte was far from fine defensively. A more experienced left back and Cortes not tracking his runner is much less of a problem. He's only young so understandable, but let's not understate his defensive naivety and put too much pressure on him too soon.
29 Jul 2024 17:22:17
Clement has already covered this, there's no space for him in the first team if he doesn't want to be here. You can't put on a training session with 30 players. He's in the B team because having him with the first team, knowing he doesn't want to be here, impacts on first team training.
Pretty standard stuff. He's not there as a punishment . He's there for logistics.
29 Jul 2024 12:08:12
The thing that concerns me with McKenna is that the manager clearly wants to play the high, aggressive press in most games and that means the CB's pushing a high line. The risk in that is then the ball in behind. Teams who play that way really need CB's that have a decent amount of pace, particularly on the turn.
I think this is the issue Souttar struggles with. I think McKenna is another in a similar mould in those attributes.
I think McKenna is a decent big Centre half when defending a box, defending long balls and generally solid enough, but I don't think he's the type who would suit playing with a high line.
I think that's why he was replaced at Forest, it's not one of his strengths.
This, for me, is one of the big reasons Balogun is currently our best CB. Yes, he's probably a little weaker in other areas than Souttar (distribution) and McKenna (general defending) but his ability on the turn and his mobility means he's better equipped to defend the defensive transition from a high press being broken or bypassed.
25 Jul 2024 08:02:05
Baldy:
Our toxic hand are right good if they can influence a player at 2 clubs before he joins us! ?
Cantwell had the same issues at both Norwich and Bournemouth before us and was removed from first team duties at Norwich too.
At some point he might realise that the one constant in all his problems is him and screw the nut. But he's 26 now, not a kid anymore, so hugely unlikely.
There are many legitimate concerns around our fanbase and being overly critical of players, but I'm afraid that doesn't apply to Cantwell. As someone who follows Norwich I can tell you he was a banger long before he turned up at Ibrox. As I say, this is the same outcome he's had at EVERY club he's ever played for.
24 Jul 2024 23:49:16
Called it when he joined from Norwich, but said at the time I hoped I was wrong. I've seen this movie before with him. Same issues that saw him leave Carrow Road and Bournemouth then decline their option.
Waste of talent. His mentality will never let him fulfil his potential.
09 Sep 2024 14:14:56
thanks @wslgers, that's the best laugh I've had for a while comparing Tav to John Greig. Outside of that, you're having an argument with yourself about points no-one made.
09 Sep 2024 08:41:27
His record is 3 trophies from 24 since getting back to the premier league. One more than St Johnstone and 19 less than our biggest rivals. He's led the team during one of Celtic's most dominating periods in history, where they have caught up to our world record trophy haul and will surpass us this season. He's contributed massively to our failings defensively, particularly against Celtic and has seemed untouchable for 5? managers now, when many fans (rightly) question his contribution.
But he scores goals. That well known worldwide requirement in a right back in successful teams. If I think really hard I can name, oh, zero other successful teams where the right back contributes so much in an attacking sense. Not one. Because Tav is the outlier and that's why he still plays for Rangers.
Defenders are there to stop the other team scoring first and foremost, something James has always been poor at and has gotten worse at over the last 2 seasons. They're not there to score goals and take penalties.
I'm fortunate enough to have seen some great Rangers captains and some very good right backs. Proper leaders of men during both successful and difficult times. Many fans (like me) get frustrated because Tavernier isn't close to any of them.
A solid enough professional who is well worth the fee we paid for him, but to be Rangers captain and first choice right back at this stage, when the entire league is targeting him as our weak link and we can all see it (mainly because if we were in the other dugout we'd do exactly the same! ) isn't good for him or us.
He shouldn't be in our strongest 11. If he is, then it shows how far our strongest 11 are from them. He shouldn't be captain, but in his defence on this one we've not got a proper captain anywhere in that squad either.
03 Sep 2024 10:36:50
It's a hard question to answer John as there doesn't seem to be a queue of capable people looking to replace any of them and even if there were it's difficult to tell from the outside that anyone on that board should be retained. Their record isn't great collectively, that's for damn sure, but individually I have no idea who has any talent and who is a charlatan.
02 Sep 2024 14:00:32
Rushing it? Matondo is in his third season and has been toilet for 2 of them so far. How much time do you want to give players? :D.
28 Aug 2024 18:45:37
He's 26 and has had the same issue at at 3 clubs (Us, Norwich and his loan spell) . He'll never grow up.
Head full of broken bottles and we're better off without him, nowhere near as good as he or a lot of our fans claim.
I've said it before, Hagi had better numbers his first 18 months at the club than Cantwell and most of it fans rightly think we need better than Hagi. Cantwell isn't a loss.