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25 Jan 2021 21:59:32
Big stushie building about corruption with the Lord Advocate linked along with senior SNP.

Spurious persecution of the Rangers Administrators that has led to £20m in compensation so far is just one facet of the case.

Some big careers are going to be ended soon.

We'll win the league this year but how many have been stolen from us?

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26 Jan 2021 11:03:18
Explain your theory please ie stolen from us.

26 Jan 2021 13:23:06
Dk I get your post, the 20 million is from PF office. Police Scotland had to pay them circa 5 million.

26 Jan 2021 14:49:33
John you get DK post so you agree about the stolen titles?

20 Jan 2021 15:42:43
Nah talking about how HRMC overcharged us? Remember this happened like end of 2019 they were saying 70 million but supposedly it was 50 million less 20 million? Anyone remember?

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26 Jan 2021 11:05:44
And your point being?
That's the old company and not a penny of the £70m/ £50m paid.

26 Jan 2021 21:38:22
Point is Mull that at £70m very few investors would touch us but at £20m we were a viable going concern unless you are blinkered against the truth.

27 Jan 2021 00:36:36
I'm sure the top guy at HMRC said that press story was untrue. Does it really matter now DK with 55 in sight.

20 Jan 2021 10:18:43
Does anyone know what has happened with this HRMC rumour? last year the rumour was out and about but has disappeared?

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13 Jan 2021 22:22:00
I see we r back in court re Ashley as he now attempts to sue rangers for millions over boycott of SD.

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13 Jan 2021 22:52:21
Where du see this John is this to agree amount we need to pay?

13 Jan 2021 23:29:45
Google the herald. It’s not totally clear as I understood we had already won some of the arguments.
He seems to be claiming compensation re alleged boycott.

14 Jan 2021 09:57:38
Apparently one of SDs arguments was that Club 1872 helped lead the boycott in 2014. Unfortunately for SDs lawyers, Club 1872 wasn't formed until 2016. I wouldn't expect that to go down well in court.

SD submitted 1500 documents in relation to the case but Rangers submitted 2000.

I'm sure the Sevcologists that keep an eye on this page will keep us right though.

14 Jan 2021 13:11:01
My understanding is that it's to do with the amount under Judge Persey's ruling in 2019, is there not an amount of £445,000 circa to be paid, I don't think it's millions, but, I'm not totally certain folks.

15 Jan 2021 10:47:04
My input on this is. We have already lost this case it just a matter of the fees SD are saying they are due- ie QCs barristers, lawyers fees we are due to pay as we lost. Last thing I remember about this was we tried to get the claim for the breaking of the original agreement with SD down to a million pounds, judge Persey throw this out telling our CEO Mr Robertson " it will cost many millions".

17 Jan 2021 11:59:02
If it's the old case and not a new one it sounds like that IOM which is in our accounts? It'll be a back and forward for that but does that need a court appearance.? I d be worried if it was something else or another court case? 🤞 Were rid of him.

17 Jan 2021 15:15:22
55gers this case scheduled for 14 days.

17 Jan 2021 19:51:01
There could be trouble ahead.!

17 Jan 2021 20:39:56
Not sure billyb this is about last years case, rangers also claimed club due circa 3 million, Ashley playing with his toy again.

19 Jan 2021 21:31:57
No idea then but that's not new for me.

19 Jan 2021 23:10:09
Think you will find John that £3m is the £2.4m owed to us by Elite/ Hummel. I think we are on to a loser here ( only my opinion) . This is money they owe us but remember our 3 year deal was cut to 2 years so we have broke the agreement with Hummel. It was the judge/ court the ended that deal because we broke a previous agreement with Ashley.

20 Jan 2021 16:27:45
Iom not the same court case but u keep believing.

22 Jan 2021 01:06:35
I bow to your knowledge John, but will say again it was £2.4m we were owed by Elite/ Hummel not £3m. Keep believing.

22 Jan 2021 10:25:00
We have sued them for 3 million due to interest on money owed for 18 months, go and read the court papers and stop guessing.

22 Jan 2021 19:36:09
Who are we trying to sue John
Ashley or elite, because you started this thread with we are back in court re Ashley. Please try and keep us informed.

23 Jan 2021 11:33:13
Forget it riom. If u don’t know not my problem.
Go on and read the 60 page documents.

26 Jan 2021 11:08:43
Can you give me the head up on where to read this 60 document
John plz.

26 Jan 2021 13:23:27
Google it.

26 Jan 2021 15:03:50
Have tried John only get bits from the sun, record, herald. So can you give the heads up where to find this 60 page document.

17 Dec 2020 22:53:59
I see rangers administrators settle out off court with the crown office in Scotland for wrongful arrest. They sued the crown and Strathclyde police, police Scotland.
They sued for over 20 million and have settled out off court for several millions each and are to receive a public apology fro the crown office
It was alleged crown office and police had acted maliciously and without probable cause in all dealings against them and rangers. This was admitted by police Scotland and crown office lawyers.

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18 Dec 2020 09:22:03
Murray and Whyte were the culprits. why has Murray never be investigated.

18 Dec 2020 09:36:12
John I read last week BPO were taking D&P to court for selling Ibrox, the training ground, the players and goodwill for £5.5m when over £20m should have been brought into creditors pot. They 2 sold cheap to CG (remember Walter had group willing to pay more) and now walk away millionaires. The whole lot stinks and SDM rides off into the sunset. How was he allowed to destroy our club, destroy his own company, with the tax payer (us again) picking up £800m of his debt, but him and his family were allowed to cherry pick the good bits of his companies before it went tits up.

18 Dec 2020 10:24:18
U r correct there iom. It was not for selling ibrox etc.

18 Dec 2020 10:44:52
John you will probably know more than me about this but if someone offers you £5.5m for a package, then someone offers more surely for the good of the creditors in this case you get as much as possible. Now these 2 guy have been made millionaires for their incompatence. Police Scotland must have questions to answer.
As has SDM.

18 Dec 2020 11:24:19
U r correct. Reality should go to highest price.
Police Scotland settled out off court.
Re SDM he was screwd to the wall by the bank. He had to sell to someone, not whyte though.

18 Dec 2020 16:50:11
Agreed John, the bank told SDM to get rid of us and he could get some assets back for pennies. He did it.

19 Dec 2020 08:48:32
ROIOM, nice to see you posting again, I hope you are well, keep posting your views my friend.

20 Dec 2020 00:27:55
Cheers Irvger it's only my opinion I post and could be completely wrong I hope.

20 Dec 2020 20:49:41
By the time Walter and his group came forward as a possible buyer Whyte was well on with the deal.

There was no guarantee that WS would or could follow through and the financial uncertainty meant that the bank needed a resolution. DM did not have a choice

Anyone who suggests that DM gave up voluntarily needs to look into his background - he does not give up.

With the benefit of hindsight we can all criticise him for borrowing too much or taking advantage of a tax reduction scheme but there were few dissenting voices amongst our fans base when we were chasing the dream and spending millions.

If the bank or DM had a crystal ball they would never have got into bed with Whyte.

21 Dec 2020 00:35:29
DK a couple of thinks here, this is to do with D&P selling to CG for £5.5m. 2) SDM used a tax avoidance scheme, a tax reduction scheme just might be legal. SDM admit in court if he got shot of us he would be allowed to get back assets from the banks for pennies.

21 Dec 2020 00:43:05
CRAIG WHYTE FRAUD TRIAL David Murray had ‘deal to buy his stricken metals firm back for £1 IF he sold Rangers and ditched their debt’
Court hears of 'incentive to get deal done' as letter emerges of then Ibrox chairman Alastair Johnston branding the Gers board bank 'stooges'

By Paul Thornton
17:59, 3 May 2017U.

21 Dec 2020 10:13:39
So the pound CW gave Murray for us, went straight to the bank and he got back Murray international metals. So DK 19 his background has nothing to do with this purely self gain.

21 Dec 2020 12:57:43
Iom you can’t blame Murray for buying his company back. end of the day the bank had him over a barrel.
Remember they also put there executives on our board who shafted us.

21 Dec 2020 17:47:18
Iom what would u want Murray investigated for, being a poor businessman.

22 Dec 2020 09:07:25
John I don't really care about his other Businesses, what he did to us should not be forgotten ( the good and the bad) . C W was a Patsie used by SDM. AJ saw this and did highlight it. Anyone with a internet access could read about his previous ( until he paid to get it deleted) . SDM wanted out of town quick leaving behind 2 tax avoidance scheme he set up ( he was the biggest benefactor personally taking over £6m from the 2nd scheme) . SDM came away leaving us at the grubby hands CW and leaving the tax payers with a bill of over £800m yet keep his title and allowed to cherry pick the profitabill bits of his empire. Wee Joe bloggs running a wee company that goes to the wall losses everything his house his car etc- just my opinion John SDM got away with assisting a murderer CW and never faced a question.

22 Dec 2020 12:05:47
Wrong again cawder murdered no one.

22 Dec 2020 14:45:18

22 Dec 2020 19:59:14
Well we beg to differ again john.

22 Dec 2020 20:21:05
Who did CW murder. I’ve never read this any where.
I assume u know what murder actually is.

22 Dec 2020 23:08:37
He murdered our club john.

23 Dec 2020 09:01:16
No he never. I have had a family member murdered believe me there is a massive difference
U really don’t get it.

23 Dec 2020 11:02:53
Sorry about your family members John, no offence meant.

Did you read the papers at the time CW murdered a institution.

23 Dec 2020 11:05:34
NO WHYTE KNIGHT Former Rangers chairman Alastair Johnston claims Craig Whyte should have been charged with the MURDER of an institution
US-based Johnston - who made a sensational return to the Ibrox board today - was booted out in 2011 when Whyte took charge

By Ryan McDonald
19:47, 6 Jun 2017.

24 Dec 2020 13:48:42
At least Dave king is getting a bit of rest bite mull . good to see you back . whyte was disgusting the way he behaved with us . I think one of the worst things was selling the Arsenal historic shares for his own pocket.

I rate him close to the fat man ash.

24 Dec 2020 19:27:41
First visit to page in a while. You’ve taken us over some painful ground that although thankfully in the past will unfortunately become part of our history. I’m just so pleased we’ve survived and at last look stronger than ever. Hopefully the lessons have been learned and measures put in place to prevent a repetition. I believe that to be the case.

26 Dec 2020 08:41:33
On the field I agree Bankie. A few things to remember, over £23m required to get us to the end of next season, we owe the tax man £10m. we await a bill from courts over Ashley, more courts cases with Hummel and Elite? . The government watchdog is investigating us over price fixing. We still have lots of problems off the field Bankie.

26 Dec 2020 09:13:29
Molsgoals, questions needed answered about Mr King departure. We are on the verge of winning the league and a route to CL wealth, we own our stadium and training ground, we have a player pool worth of £200m. Now you own 20% of all of that but selling for £13m why.

26 Dec 2020 10:14:11
RIOM, what does the £10m tax bill relate to and when does it become payable?

27 Dec 2020 00:49:21
Not sure but it in the accounts, might be deferred for 6-12 months due to C.V.

27 Dec 2020 13:10:17
I. O. M good to have u back and agree with some of what u say ie tax and deferred payment and the risk still facing us. But I think u have answered your own question regarding King he's leaving because we are on the up club wise training facilities stadium and most importantly and most overlooked is the structure he and the board have put in place and continue to grow scouts commercial medical coaching etc and a plan for going forward with other investors coming in which makes me think we are in an ok place. What he inherited to what is there now is night and day. He is selling at 13million as that's what it's worth due to risk and reward. I do believe he is leaving because it has taken its toll on him possible second he may want this as a legacy. My personal opinion is if we win the league and our players have a good Euros we will sell to Ballance it out in the summer. Then re invest for the champions league after. Show me what is different from them across the city or any other club chasing success through C.V.?

28 Dec 2020 00:13:11
55 Rangers one major difference is they would sell before going into debt. We average £10m loss each season and before everyone says the directors will pick up the tab, we are in economic C.V. too. Thing change by the minute one investor might have a bad week in the market and back out leaving us at the mercy of the taxman again. Before anyone says stocks can go up as well as down is that anyway to run our club relying on the stock market. We need to be self sufficient.

28 Dec 2020 08:31:54
Without doubt they will need investors money this year and if we win the league will need a huge investment next year new manager and squad. They can't sell their best players as they want European football and are chasing success and will be looking to right the wrongs of this year if it goes wrong. The financial playing field has flattened between us. They have a significant wage bill and have spent 18 mill after Thier accounts were published empty stadiums and significant drop in revinue this only includes 3 months of CV for them too. Not all Rosie in tainted town. To us I agree the loses are unsustainable but to believe the board expected personal thoughts are we need to become a selling club in the summer 55 or not. I share your concern re the tax man deferred payment CV and court cases. But NEW investors are coming in they will know more about the accounts and financials than I could ever gives me a little confidence we have also the commercial deals not included. The other is we have a broad amount of investors not like Sir DM days. The worst and best thing for us is in a crisis most of the rich get richer and the fans look for something to offset the heartache. Football will thrive when fans are back we need to see it through and hopefully be in a better place then. Dare to dream IOM, 55 champions League next year, investors fill the gap of this year a player sale in the summer to Ballance the books and re invest in the squad no fatman. That would be something 🤞 it's not unachievable.

28 Dec 2020 11:17:15
I agree 55 Rangers, a few points mind you lol
Our wage bill must have more than doubled since SG came in. The match day revenue our was 64% of our overall income according to the press their was 50%. Our season book money won't even cover the 1st team wage bill. Read in the papers their director said they still had £30m in the bank some cushion compared to our loses year on year. Let's just get this title won and hopefully move on. A lot of English team will not survive this C.V. does anyone think these investors know something we don't maybe a invite to the premier League?

28 Dec 2020 11:59:34
No idea where the 30 million has come from they have balanced books off player sales last 3-4 years they had 18 mill in the accounts to june deffered wages and did the same with tax as us. They then spent 18 mil trying to get into champions league have a considerable over head that looks like 10 mil hole a year without sales non C.V. they need Europe to continue as they are without sales it's been their business model for years. Same as us in lots of ways if not worse it will just depend on how deep their investors pockets are hate to say I'm not an accountant and starting to sound like one of them. Would love it to be true for the premier invite more likely an Atlantic league either way would be good. As you say IOM get the year over and league won. Then we can put the statue of DK up😂.

28 Dec 2020 12:06:02
Iom correct re our wage bill, but revenue up 70%.
Season ticket money in majority uk if not all clubs does not cover wage bill.
That’s why tv money, sponsors etc required
Yes they had money in bank, so did we 11 million. , or u crossing to ignore that again,

Not a chance of invite to premier league in our lifetime.

28 Dec 2020 13:07:34
Mull you readily admit we are in a much better state since you last posts

We are on the verge of winning the league and a route to CL wealth, we own our stadium and training ground, we have a player pool worth of £200m.

But rather than give the man some much deserved credit you use it as a stick to beat him with? Dear dear.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, IOM does provide balance as everyone else is giving credit, it is always good to have someone to give the other side of the matter. It is not like he is abusive or makes nasty comments about individuals involved, he just gives an alternative view.}

28 Dec 2020 14:26:05
Good point Ed001, always good to hear alternative perspectives to inform the discussion.

28 Dec 2020 15:55:19
I think even the most blue of specs won't take away the fear of previous failures repeating themselves. IOM is keeping us grounded while the rest of us are daring to dream again. Site wasn't the same with out it though.

28 Dec 2020 23:51:23
Writing this with tears in my eyes after watching the bbc programme about the Ibrox disaster. We are all one family with many different views. Happy new year to all Rangers supporters and RIP to the 66.

29 Dec 2020 06:59:38
Yes riom god bless each and every one off them.

11 Jan 2021 16:59:45
Yes, gents, although the anniversary is a sad day, this year it was particularly poignant.
That day, in 1971, is etched in my memory for all time, as I was one of the fortunate ones.
We left by the other stairs in the Copland Road end, went for a few pints, and knew nothing about what happened until much later.
Every year it hurts, but this year it felt particularly tragic.

22 Jan 2021 18:26:50
All those who feel that Celtic are some sort of Financially immune institution should remember that they got very little money in Europe this season, and they still have a circa £60 Million wage bill. They are also so rich they furloughed they youth team after spending £250k on their Dubai trip, this doesn't say to me that they are any more cash rich than us at this time.

16 Dec 2020 14:30:31
Iom r u ok,

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17 Dec 2020 09:36:04
Good point John, IOM and Billyb have been silent for a while.

Let’s hope not something health related.

17 Dec 2020 10:46:19
Been constantly on the other pages DK19 .

Maybe you have health probs or are you just a habitual wind up merchant .

Think you have most votes on the survey .

17 Dec 2020 12:02:36
Dk bbillyb on last week.

17 Dec 2020 16:20:34
Doh! didn't know billyb and Bluebilly were the same - oddly I usually agree with Bluebilly but disagree with billyb!

What can I say re survey - I'm a winner!

17 Dec 2020 16:54:51
Sorry DK19, I have only one username an it's Bluebilly.

I misunderstood the billyb bit as being me with a short version.

No harm done I hope.

17 Dec 2020 17:33:32
Not to me!

Billyb was a regular with IOM on the finance pages but not seen either for yonks - not a good sign in current circumstances with C.V. etc.

17 Dec 2020 19:42:03
Could be they are banned DK19 mate, if they has been posting inappropriate remarks the Ed's would have sorted them out, hope that's all it is tho.

17 Dec 2020 19:49:19
I didn't know you cared, DK19, but John 25 is correct, I made a cameo last week.
So I can assure you, that I am still keeping an eye on the site.
It was one of your posts I commented on. I also like the discussion section and can see me throwing my tuppence in at some stage.
However, for the present, I am quite happy to watch some of the best football we have played in years. SG has formulated a system that plays fast and fluent football, with a couple of blips, but appraisal to date, this season, is -- in SG we trust.

17 Dec 2020 20:38:15
Bluebilly niether would be banned, they just disagreed with many on here never inappropriate.

17 Dec 2020 21:53:00
Cheers John. 🇬🇧♥️⚪💙👌.

18 Dec 2020 00:54:02
I'm still here lads, thanks for the concern. I still read most of the posts daily. As the team is flying (blip last night) and it's looking fine (through most on here views) financial, as I said I will be keep my powder dry. Probably won't post again this year- so ED, lads and lassies have a wonderful Xmas and a great new year. Just keep winning.

18 Dec 2020 06:55:57
Iom great to know u r ok. Stay safe along with all your family.

18 Dec 2020 08:32:08

Great news, both of our old money moaners are fit and healthy - fortunately despite C.V. we don’t have much to debate on the financial side.

Merry Christmas!

18 Dec 2020 10:19:04
All the best to everyone that posts on this site, no matter their opinions. I would also like to say a big thank you to the admin., for holding the jackets of those in the heated debates. Have a great Christmas and hopefully we all are celebrating another victory against the east-end bhoys.

{Ed001's Note - I just wish someone would come and collect their jackets from time to time. I am beginning to get swamped under coats.}

18 Dec 2020 11:04:14
Mine is the royal blue one with the red and white pinstripe ED lol oops they are all the same colour you say lol merry Xmas to all.

18 Dec 2020 11:27:30
Ed001 you do a great job, donate them to charity.

{Ed001's Note - good idea. Got to be a good 50p worth here at least...}

18 Dec 2020 16:31:51
Ed what 50p u must have lots of jackets.

{Ed001's Note - it's because you lot won't stop picking fights with each other!}

18 Dec 2020 18:31:33
Not fights Ed, just opinions!

19 Dec 2020 11:09:50
Ed001. R other sites u r involved in as bad as us mate.

{Ed001's Note - oh yes, sadly they all seem to spend long periods where all everyone does is bicker. After a while it all seems to blow over and settle down though.}

19 Dec 2020 12:53:01
Ed poor u. We r worse than weans.

19 Dec 2020 18:36:21
John 25, it is true what they say, you start as a wain, and do the full cycle. Just. one thing, how much is DK19's school jacket worth?

19 Dec 2020 22:35:10
Can’t resist the jibe billyb?

You still haven’t admitted you got DK and his motives all wrong!

When I asked if he had pumped your girlfriend I think I hit a raw nerve that hasn’t settled down yet!

Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the old foggies.

20 Dec 2020 13:33:41
Billyb same as mine a shilling.

20 Dec 2020 16:41:12
DK19, I'm afraid you were miles off the mark with your comment on the girlfriend, that was more of an insult to dk, because you didn't see them.
I will only admit to things, when I am wrong. I will not go back over old ground on any of my comments on dm and dk.
His master stroke was getting SG on board. Cheers mate.

16 Dec 2020 14:13:34
I watched a rerun of agm and interviews. I was particularly taken with bisgrove, bennet and Robertson interviews.

I am really excited re project in relation to old edmiston house.
Museum, 500 seat restraunt, bar area, wedding venue, conference venue and concerts for audiences up to 1300.
If we talk about museum entrance of £20 and 10, people having snack juice etc.
The venue could raise as high as £5 million a year
This does not include shop merchandise revenue or the new sports bar which will replace existing shop.
Edmmiston house project funded by selling land for housing
Man Utd generate an incredible 40 million a year from museum and cafes.

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16 Dec 2020 14:25:21
The club is certainly heading in the right direction on and off the park, John25, with the correct people in charge 👍.

16 Dec 2020 16:43:03
i agree john things to me anyway do look good . very good going forward . keep us all posted on here john please as i for one don't get a lot of time to scour the internet so i do look forward to reading the finance column on here . cheers john.

16 Dec 2020 18:30:47
It will definitely be a great addition to the club. Especially on match days with bars n cafes because there's lots of folk who get to ibrox long before kick off so gives them somewhere to chill out and spend a few quid before and after games.

21 Dec 2020 17:32:11
IOM what was your honest opinion on the AGM not trying to start a war on here always interested to see what it thoughts are even if mine aren't 100% the same.


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