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22 Oct 2021 10:53:41
John is this the company you say we sell/ buy the shares from JP Jenkins

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22 Oct 2021 13:30:54
It is one platform u can register with, not sure what point you r trying to make though I can guess.

11 Oct 2021 16:59:06
John any update on who wanted to buy new shares?

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12 Oct 2021 09:03:02
I like many Gers do have a worry about cash in the Club? We definitely do not have a player trading model and to be fair the board went all out for the Title! Don’t know the figures guys but how long can we continue like this.

12 Oct 2021 10:33:27
Not long yately, I dgree with you there. Some eill say we have no debt but we can't run at a massive loss every year. Only so many times we can dilute shares to turn debts into shares.

12 Oct 2021 10:39:20
Sorry not for here mate, I was told in confidence. There are serious investors out there for us
Yately I’m not worried, however I don’t think they will be great.
You are correct we need to sell at some point, not always a bad thing as a successful team always needs new blood, I see the next two windows achieving this.
Also we all know CL group stages vital next season.

12 Oct 2021 13:09:34
No worries John it's positive if investors want to put money in as they will have disclosure of our accounts to a certain respect and if they're not worried then it makes me more comfortable.

12 Oct 2021 13:26:34
My understanding the board have turned down multiple requests from business or individuals in the last 5 years.

13 Oct 2021 22:48:57
Multiple requests for what john.

14 Oct 2021 09:48:19
To buy shares in rangers iom.

15 Oct 2021 07:29:35
The thing I don't understand is the share price. We are trapped in Scottish football with a ceiling on income, poor TV money, poor money for winning trophies. Our main form of income comes from season tickets, European games/ revenue and hospitality. Yet the directors/ investors pay 20p per share (ordinary fans had to pay 25p per share for some reason in one of the last share issues) . There must be 6 times the number of shares in circulation as when Mr King took over, but they are still worth the same. My question is how can a share be worth the same with 6 times as many issued and only chance of making bigger income is to qualify for the CL, fail and we hit the income ceiling. Example the club across the city fail to make CL a player or 2 have to be sold and their share price Falls. We failed this season on CL front no players sold yet share price stays the same-explain.

15 Oct 2021 09:41:46
Business continually being valued higher and similar forecasts of growth I'd imagine but not sure think we'd be guessing again.

15 Oct 2021 10:48:28
According to stock exchange which we report to effectively level three ie one below aim our shares today are valued at 35 p today
The reason shares hold value or i fact increase in value is the brand increases in value even after new issues
When was shareholders charged 25p a share as I’m intrigued to find your source or is it another guess.

16 Oct 2021 10:18:27
The last share issue was open to the fans sure you said you bought some. Were they not 25p a share?

16 Oct 2021 10:31:30
16 Jun 2021 08:53:58

I bought some yesterday, and it works out at 25p per share.

16 Jun 2021 10:42:23
Me too molsgoals, I had just hoped SGL was muddled and had not spent 16k.

So did u pay 25p a share John or was its just Mols who paid that.

16 Oct 2021 12:07:52
Just interested re what u perceived cost was now as trading at 35p. I thought u were inferring could buy at 25p now.

17 Oct 2021 00:05:21
Only asking did you pay 25p a share?
Or am I guessing John?

17 Oct 2021 17:55:30
I did mate.

17 Oct 2021 22:35:03
Good guess from me then mate.

18 Oct 2021 11:09:13
Your post looks like they can still be bought at that price today despite now being valued at 35p.

18 Oct 2021 12:23:58
Just so I can get my oar in …. it seems to me mull that John has shown great business accruement and his shares are nearly 50% up .
Hardly a sign of a failing faltering business. Wouldn’t you agree mull .

18 Oct 2021 17:27:52
It’s my opinion the business is in good hands molsgoals.

18 Oct 2021 17:30:30
Molsgoals some up some down. Bought at 50p, 25p and 20p. However they will go to my grandkids, not in it for profit, notmany fans are.

18 Oct 2021 22:52:46
Good on you John ., . My season book at 750 and the dodgy hotdog and bovril At 6.50 ( although the bovril is lovely ) is my limit . We are definitely not over spending as a club and still on target for a sustainable business model moving forward .

18 Oct 2021 23:44:29
Mull struggle to see what it is your hedging at shares go up shares go down a lot because of internal factors and some market factors. Do u mean that something is dodgy about our share value?

19 Oct 2021 08:05:46
55 I only said that the last share issue to the supporters cost 25p a share and the reply from John
When was shareholders charged 25p a share as I’m intrigued to find your source or is it another guess. That's my only gripe 55.
Whats the forum take on Mr King statement in the Glasgow Times.

19 Oct 2021 15:33:23
Mull refuse to read that rag, what’s he saying.

19 Oct 2021 21:02:40
No worries Mull I'm cautiously optimistic about things he's not really telling us much we don't already know. Think the board have stood by everything they said they would and the next stage is player trading. Think we will sell sooner rather than l8ter.

19 Oct 2021 22:26:54
Sorry what’s your only gripe mull? Missed that plus you never answered my question as to wether you thought the club was progressing in the right direction after all your fears if the past . I. e we have not spent a lot on transfers and are trying to keep a tab on it .
Also I thought mr kings expressions were fair … honest
and refreshing.

20 Oct 2021 01:47:22
Molsgoals I agree the club is moving in the right direction but as I've said at what cost. Since 2012 we have made a lose every season, with total loses of over £100m. We now must have the highest wage bill in Scottish football. Our last published accounts said we took in just under £60m but total spend was just under £75m, we await the C.V. year figures without European, friendlies, and hospitality money that was in the previous years accounts, with a higher wage bill.

20 Oct 2021 11:43:03
Once again wrong, we have second highest wage bill.

20 Oct 2021 14:36:21
Explain John we have the highest paid player in K Roofe as discussed. You said j Lumsden wanted £50k a week to sign but he did, maybe not on 50k but won't be less than Kemar. SG and the whole backroom get new contracts on improved wages. Across the city most of their high earners have gone.

20 Oct 2021 20:18:02
Kind of agree on this john the gap on wages will have closed if not surpassed in last year.

20 Oct 2021 22:18:48
Riom once again u make assumptions but don't have a clue.
55 u r colorectal again.

20 Oct 2021 23:40:48
So again mull what do you want us to do . What would make you happy . Given that mist successful business run at a loss and do so for a reason . would you ge happy not running at a sustainable loss if it meant no chance of winniing… sitting mid table abd seeing the support dwindle year by year . I have been to Ibrox when the hone support was less than 10k.

20 Oct 2021 23:42:19
You a doctor John should I get my colon checked🤣. Do think it's a balancing act as celtic are cutting cloth and we are coming to meet them as we aim to compete in Europe. Still won't be as high as celtic when in Champ league and that's our ultimate ambition.

20 Oct 2021 23:43:58
Ps 55 we have also soared ahead in squad value by 300 . % or more.

21 Oct 2021 02:14:00
I do get some guesses right John like you did pay 25p a share was that a good guess. Molsgoals you say our squad value has gone up 300%, I agree it's gone up but only if some club are willing to pay the money we are asking. They have sold in the past year fingpong £11m, ajer£13m and Edouard (paid £9m for him) £15m paper talk maybe but they will get close to £30m for them. Remember our record is £2.5m for Windass. That £30m will cover their losses and their transfer activity and they now have a smaller wage bill. People say and I agree Mr bisgrove is doing a wonderful job but for example a half a million pound deal a year (a guess) with Tomket will only pay one £10k a week yearly wage. How many of our first team players are on more than that?

21 Oct 2021 08:33:12
Again I say mull what do you want us to do? What is your prob? Do you want success or not or do you want a profit making business.
Thank goodness you don’t support Barcelona or Madrid lol.

21 Oct 2021 08:46:18
Personally I think we are doing brilliant and are on the right road . It might have been better ( not fit you though ) to have bought a few players ie the Dutch boy and that might just have been the difference on beating Malmö and 30 mil
A bit too adventurous for some so we remained cautious and content with europa.
And lost 30 mil .
After all our success you still don’t like the way the board are tuning things
Well at least mr king gets sone rest bite these days.

21 Oct 2021 09:21:17
I give you a hypothetical iom we're second at the January window few players injured. What do we do?

21 Oct 2021 09:41:19
Molsgoals our success has been 1 trophy in 9 attempts (yes we stopped the 10 but again at what price) . Our ageing squad will need replaced in the next 12-18 months. You said our squad value has increased 300% but only if someone is willing to paid the price we are asking. Anyone want to guess our wage bill? . Roofe, Lumsden new deals for SG and backroom staff, G Kamara must have at least double if not trebled his 8k original wage. This plus free agents wages plus signing on fee must have added £6-8m (only a guess John) to the wage bill. We are doing brilliantly molsgoals why the best part of a dozen share issues to keep our head above water, and if it wasn't for C.V. we wouldn't be eligible for Europe ie financial fair play 30m euros over 3 years equity swap.

21 Oct 2021 12:38:05
Probably what we done in the last 2 windows 55
Free agents.

21 Oct 2021 16:46:43
Do you sell mull?

21 Oct 2021 17:46:19
Dear dear … good point 55
Can’t fathom what your about or want mull . what solution s you have we never hear . 1 trophy in 9 but share price are increasing weekly … no debt … value of squad thru the roof … stop terry Munro but still you beat the club with a stick by saying at what cost? Why don’t you say at what cost was the result In not giving Stevie 15 mill ( even if we had to borrow ) to beat Malmö and secure 30 mill?
We were being prudent which is what I thought you wanted . On one hand you beat the club for only one trophy in 9 and on the other beat the club with the same stick for winning that one at what cost?
Even you must see the irony in that .
Laundstrum is fantastic business.
Signed on a free for even say 35 a week but worth 4.5 mil on the transfer market .
Great business…. But you choose to just dis his wage rather than applaud his value .
What is your point and soliution and what is going to na he you happy? .
The doom and gloom predictions from you from a few years back just didn’t happen and we are on an upward prejectory… so please explain where you are coming from now . Do you want to sack the board for a more prudent but less successful entity? Please tell.

22 Oct 2021 17:58:15
I'm being a bit obtuse and trying to hold your toes to the fire a little iom. But you get my point about the dilemma the board face. Evolution not revolution apparently if we transition to a champions league team it will take money to be there.

24 Oct 2021 23:19:30
55 see your claim the money raised in the last share was going to the museum has been blown out the water by Mr Robertson.

26 Oct 2021 18:30:16
Touched a nerve Mull? I'll have a look it definitely was reported at the time of the share issue as money to be raised for edmindson house and improvements.

26 Oct 2021 18:48:18
Quote from rangers. "It is a phenomenal show of loyalty, with those supporters providing a fantastic base for the club to develop its long-term strategy which includes amongst other things, the construction of New Edmiston House, further improvements to Ibrox Stadium and the club’s digital transformation strategy. " I'll now have a look at what u are referring mull.

06 Oct 2021 03:39:35
31.5 million loss for the financial year according to the paranoia fc fans. Not to worry though fellow bears, we’ve got the referees doing everything in their power to make sure we win the league and get our hands on the 40 million that comes with automatic champions league qualification. All is well that ends well 🤣.

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05 Oct 2021 18:11:09
The accountants from dark side saying rumours are we are 30 million in the red. Is there any truth in this at all or is it just normal made up admin 2 crap.

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05 Oct 2021 20:18:52
Seriously doubt it possibly 10-14 million remember they only lost 11 million that's with a player sales though on similar operating ratios but we had similar income from Europe. We had 2 windows to get rid of players if we needed and didn't and didn't spend anything so I'm a lot less concerned than I've been previously.

The dark side should be more worried they turn a profit by selling and a lot of their assets are gone they lost effectively 20million without player sales they need to buy lots more players and their board don't seem to want to put their hand in their pocket. Miss out on champions league again who they going to sell?

05 Oct 2021 20:45:26
We will have made a heavy loss same as we have done every year for last 10 year. Not sure when accounts will be published tho.

05 Oct 2021 20:18:52
Seriously doubt it possibly 10-14 million remember they only lost 11 million that's with a player sales though on similar operating ratios but we had similar income from Europe. We had 2 windows to get rid of players if we needed and didn't and didn't spend anything so I'm a lot less concerned than I've been previously.

The dark side should be more worried they turn a profit by selling and a lot of their assets are gone they lost effectively 20million without player sales they need to buy lots more players and their board don't seem to want to put their hand in their pocket. Miss out on champions league again who they going to sell?

05 Oct 2021 20:45:26
We will have made a heavy loss same as we have done every year for last 10 year. Not sure when accounts will be published tho.

03 Oct 2021 11:02:35
Nothing to do with loans, needing money but one of our recent investors wishes to buy £10 million in new shares.

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04 Oct 2021 01:04:17
How does that work john. Do the board need to agree and issue more shares or can you just buy 10m worth of shares if you feel like it?
I've not got a clue how all this shares thing works. I was reading that the club 1872 has lost lots of members donating so I doubt they will be anywhere near raising the money for Kings shares too.

04 Oct 2021 13:02:53
It can be as part of a general share issue or the business can sell shares to a particular individual or company.
1872 struggles to manage its membership, I used to be a member but they wanted control off my shares and therefore my money. No chance.
I can’t see how they will ever raise the money required to buy out Mr King, a shame for both parties.

05 Oct 2021 19:17:48
John hope your well, can ask a few questions. This investor who want to buy £10m of new shares what do you think his end game is? . By that I mean do you think he will eventually make a bid to take control. I have said that next season hopefully we will reach our celling max income with CL money. So our income will be over £100m. Between last financial statement and the C.V. year we have losses of over £40m. £15m from the financial statement and at least £25m from C.V. season. My main point John is do you think do you think that a move to England might be on the cards and is this the end game for our investor.

05 Oct 2021 22:49:46
IOM where s the 25 million coming from?

06 Oct 2021 07:11:06
Well rangers 55 we losted £15m the season before add the loss of all European crowds, cup and friendlies crowds, and the corporate involved in the C.V. season. We also signed players with no major outgoing players sales.

06 Oct 2021 12:37:05
Room I did not know u are one off other directors to know exact details off our losses.

06 Oct 2021 16:32:13
Don't want to fall out John but we have made losses every year since 2012. So it wouldn't Sherlock Holmes to work out that in a year of a C.V. with no crowds at the European games and pre season friendlies, and the loss of hospitality, bringing in players, and not selling anyone. We will make our biggest loss since the SDM years.

06 Oct 2021 22:06:52
Riom there will be quite a bit to come in we didn't have b4 mull your guessing as I am I am expecting a loss but not one as big as u think. Again your not looking at the amount we are bringing in because of record sales from the castore deal. Extra money from winning the league multiple partnerships bisgrove has brought in. Business interruption insurance and the fact we should have less outgoings as we don't need security staff catering or any matchday spends. Much of the staff were furloughed again a saving. Can't see our board being that asleep at the wheel with the club.

07 Oct 2021 09:16:08
Not falling out, but u r guessing.

07 Oct 2021 12:22:59
Mull on the potential of moving to England the unfortunate thing is it would be a package deal and celtic would have to come with us. Could you imagine their anti British singing going down well on sky on a Saturday tea time. I'd love it to happen as I think we would thrive but can't see it happening with the baggage some of the fans of both would bring.

07 Oct 2021 16:58:08
Well John we lost £15m 2 years ago, will our losses go down in the C.V. year missing out on European, cup, and friendlies crowds which usually bring in between £12-£14m, player brought in will no major outgoings fees. Go on John you have a guess higher or lower than the £15m from the previous year. Go on John higher or lower the price is right lol.

07 Oct 2021 17:25:36
Room I don’t do guessing, also no chance old firm playing in England next 20 years, they don’t need us or any of the baggage.

07 Oct 2021 19:09:36
But mull have you factored in any castore money?

08 Oct 2021 00:59:55
I've tried to explain this before 55. 55-60% of shirt/ strip sales goes to the retailer the shop that sell the strip. Distribution, storage, manufacturing takes another 20-25% so Castore have about 15-20% of the strip sale to cover all their expenses and give us some money. Rumour we get £5m up front and probably extra after we reached a set amount of sales. Our main income is the upfront money. Man u got £75m upfront on their deal just show you the gap. The team from the other end of the city have shops and if the strip is bought from there they get the 55-60% of the sale price.

08 Oct 2021 09:02:49
Again mull we re all guessing but we've had huge sales of kit rumoured to be at 9% to us if we hit our targets. Say just for arguments sake 2 million (think it could be more) and then the 5 million up front. The dark side had a drop of expenditure of 6 million during the C.V. ours should be similar as they are now working at similar turnovers. Business interruption insurance is supposed to have paid an installment rumours we're we had received a couple of million for it. Now that's a 15 million guess in the other direction. I am with you on we will take a hit just think it will be less than you are projecting.

08 Oct 2021 11:53:14
You may be right 55,but for every million you try to move to positive side we have negatives. SG and his coaching all got new contracts with increases, part of previous transfer fees, new contracts to players almost all on better money. You have to remember since 2012 we made losses every single year, and since SG came in we invested heavily. The biggest hit was European games (9 homes ties I think) would have took in well over £12-14m) also remember the home friendlies/ Cup games not on the season book and all the hospitality that goes with it . 55 remember we had all that the previous season and still made a £15m loss.

08 Oct 2021 12:59:11
Agree mull we will miss out on income from games but I'll use the same argument you made with the strips we will only make a percentage of that in profit. None the less probably a good percentage. The other thing is that from a business perspective most of the money we've "lost" is still here as saleable assets which will increase in value as we succeed. The yearly losses is shown by the squad value Kind of off topic but think it sometimes gets lost.

Where I think we both agree is the losses can't continue year on year at some point we need to cut the cloth. The unknowns with the legal side too concerns which seems to have gone really quiet. 🤞 though and it's good to see u back posting again.

08 Oct 2021 19:35:25
Thanks 55 hope you right and I'm wrong.

08 Oct 2021 22:33:09
Me 2😆.

25 Sep 2021 17:52:47
Spurs about to enter a deal re stadium naming rights with Amazon.
25 million a year for ten years.
I'm sure someone wrote other day let's get a million a year hmmmm.

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26 Sep 2021 21:14:52
John, we get £2 million a year in tv money and Spurs get £110 million in tv money! Surely that’s your answer ✌️.

25 Sep 2021 12:25:00
Anybody still not think there is more to the Cinch story than meets the eye?
Just remember MacLennan hates Rangers.
"A senior executive at an online car dealership involved in a sponsorship row between Rangers and Scotland's football chiefs used to work for the chairman of the Scottish league.
Robert Bridge was hired as the chief customer officer at Telegraph Media Group (TMG) in 2016 and reported directly to Murdoch MacLennan while he was running the business.
MacLennan now chairs the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) . A five-year, £8 million package with Cinch, a car sales business, was announced by the SPFL in June".

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26 Sep 2021 19:23:39
I thaught gers won the case anyway mate is that no the deal collapsed i don't no enough to say much about it tho can u explain it to me mate cheers.

27 Sep 2021 11:22:22
Dsger we have won no case against cinch.
Park of Hamilton one a related case which says they should be part of arbitration process.
Last weeks case is sfa saying they should not, a clear breach of sfa, spfl rule book.


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