21 Jul 2024 18:29:18
So guys for a Sunday night debate
A SHORT snippet for the past 10years
Give me your best and honest opinion being a Rangers fan
The team So far whos left the club and who's came in are we any stronger or weaker than we have been past few years?
just out of curiosity what's everyone's thoughts on how our board present and past over the past 10 years have done
all we read and hear is if your negative your not a true supporter or even possibly a Tim
And the so called negative and fans worried about the state of play call out the other half as happy clappers
Where is the middle ground and for everyone to come together and ask when does it get better when will we get it right and have a stress free season where their is no court cases to fight and decent quality signings coming in the door and everyone pushing in the night direction
We've had McCall caxiana warburton Murty Gerrard GVB Beale and now Clement we had mark Allen and Wilson as directors also a few CEO's
We have had numerous players come in a revolving door and we've won one league since coming back up from the depths of Scottish football we've spent a good few quid since coming back up with various directors and players signing on fees wages transfers etc etc
They had had chances of winning titles and cups and ? the bed on more than a few occasions
Gerrard eventually had our main rivals on the rocks board wouldn't back him and we spent money on Edmiston house and we now also have the woes of Ibrox not going to be ready for new season
We also had the whole Australian friendly fiasco and Hummel court case
Celtic on route to title 55 this coming and season some want to happy clap some want to vent our worries and frustrations
What's the overall consensus and conclusions to our club are we just an overinflated Aberdeen with a bigger stadium and bigger wage outlay
Or can we make our club great again and if so is the right people in place to make it happen?
21 Jul 2024 19:20:55
If you consider our journey as a bell curve we peaked under Gerrard, enjoyed the curve via Gio and then have been on the decline from the Europa final.
The team today (which should be confused with the team on the 1st of September) is really weak, probably on par with what Gerrard inherited.
I think PC has a chance of starting his own bell curve however, in my opinion we’re seasons off match Gerrard peak.
I like the fact PC seems to have one eye on the future with a number of younger players signed, I really hope this can be mixed with a number of experienced first team players, even if this is 23 and 24 year older rather than 32 year olds. The point I’m making is experience doesn’t always relate to players at the end of their careers.
21 Jul 2024 19:54:25
Most galling thing in the past 10 years, we done all the co-efficient groundwork and the mob got all the benefits, not surprising about "tim" accusations with the influx of "new" posters stirring up?. On top of all that it's as if we have struggled to get a proper structure in place, medical, development, player turnover, sacking managers and support staff (cost) . Maximising investment streams, wages cost, there more, think focus needs to be to get us on a sure footing, this won't happen overnight, it will take time, we may have to just lump it, because we won't like it.
21 Jul 2024 20:13:00
For our club to get back to former glories we need to see change at Board level. This is not just about the need for new investment, it is about new ideas, younger non executives and arguably a change in the way the entire club is run.
I sincerely believe that appointing Park as Chairman was the single biggest mistake that we have made since we returned from the doldrums. During his tenure as Chairman he was more interested in protecting his own Business than taking rangers forward and we are still suffering today.
I would ask exactly what a number of the current Board bring to the club. There is no room for sentiment in football just like any other Business and I would question exactly what Johnson, Park Jnr and Taylor bring to the Board.
We are also running without a CEO and while questions remain about the previous CEO, questions need to be asked about his predecessor and indeed about Wilson, the previous DoF and about Park the Chief Scout. (I suspect that he was involved in helping Beale bring in the players that we are now struggling to get rid of.
One last comment, communication from the Board is abysmal. Are we really saying that no one on the Board was overseeing the significant investment in the stand work, if that was the case then we really need to ask whether the non Execs are actually doing the job that they are supposed to do. It looks to me as though they are just not what we need to move the club forward.
21 Jul 2024 20:24:05
Stig not sure if that is a serious post or your on the sauce.
21 Jul 2024 20:32:49
You can’t expect the club to keep letting sg spend money and no sell. He won 1 trophy in 3 and half year and spent plenty.
21 Jul 2024 20:49:50
I think, personally, this is the worst group of players playing the worst brand of football since Caxinha and only his time at the club has been worse than where we are now (since 2012). Arguably there are players from the Championship winning team who would walk into this side (like Miller for example) .
I look at players like, for example: Helander, Morelos, Roofe, Defoe, Miller, Candeais, Aribo, Kamara, Patterson, McGregor, Bassey off the top of my head so would all play in this team. Arguably the likes of Windass, Holliday and McKay offer more than players like Wright, Matondo, Cantwell and Lawrence.
We rarely produce players through our youth setup and when we do they don't get a chance (like McCrorie) or get hounded by sections of our fans (like McAusland) and our transfer record for the most part is abysmal.
I think we're a million miles behind our rivals who don't even need to be good to beat us consistently.
In short, we're going through a bad period but we need to stick by the team and hope the pets that be can get their rubbish together with we can start making progress. I think it's going to take a while.
21 Jul 2024 21:03:48
Ridiculous to say this team is as weak as the 1 sg inherited
Butland/ Bell
Soitter/ bates
Diomande/ law
Yilmaz/ John
Barron/ holt
Yes this team is poor but nowhere near the 1 you referred to.
21 Jul 2024 21:28:59
@ Raskin not just about Gerrard just the club in general and how it’s been run over the last 10 or so years and where we’re currently and where we are headed
A lot of great reply’s above from posters serious about the club and telling how they feel it is which I totally respect
@John think you will see from some reply’s it’s a serious question and posters here want to get involved and give their true overall feelings
I’m totally 100% agreeing with Berkshire and his very in depth and informative reply
@Fork also another good reply and agree it does look like it’s going to take time is the right people in the right place
Or is Berkshire 100% correct in what he thinks?
John what’s your thoughts on the past 10 years remember you have said on a few occasions now worrying times ahead why do you think that?
Are the right people at the club to make the club move forward we all crave for and bring the success we crave?
21 Jul 2024 21:41:31
Honestly one Walter, pretty much everything you say is ridiculous on here, you are brutal.
How about you try in participate in the conversation rather than making pointless statements.
21 Jul 2024 21:50:28
Sting no problem. Too many questions for me.
21 Jul 2024 21:50:50
What he said made perfect sense.
21 Jul 2024 21:58:24
Sting re worrying time go back last season when I said this
I was told I was simply an apologist for the board and as some decided as I was rich. There words because I sold a property abroad I was not entitled to a view and should not be on this site
I think some would agree we r experiencing worrying times. However I respect people’s opinions I’m not entitled to say why so hey ho.
21 Jul 2024 22:34:58
Dado you said this team is poorer than the sg team he inherited. That's a ridiculous statement.
21 jul 2024 22:46:50
sorry dado, i don't see anything at all wrong with one walters post, not a thing, all correct and it is ridiculous to say this team is worse than gerrard had when he came in.
21 Jul 2024 22:53:22
@dado sorry thought I had also said In my reply in my post thanks for your reply also mate
Also agree with you that Pc has an eh on the future and the fact older age doesn’t always necessarily mean more experience
I think we are a good way off it just now and it will take some time
Are we hoping or do we know the correct people in charge are the night people and will get us back on track and back to a winning successful club in a whole
Winning more trophies more often
Or will we stay in the trajectory of winning the odd title and cup every few or more seasons apart?
21 Jul 2024 23:01:39
The last 10years have been a rollercoaster ride, and tbh I don’t see that changing in the short term.
I don’t foresee any new owner speeding in with a bottomless pit of money. We have what we have in terms of directors (who I do believe have the club’s well being at heart) .
Our European adventures over the past 5-6 years have been a joy and show that we can be competitive at a good level (Europa), and last season we really did have the league in our own hands with less than 10 games to go.
Where we have to get better is in generating better funding from a player trading model (easier said than done) . Means more Basseys and Patersons coupled with knowing when to move players on (Morelos and Kent to name a few) . That generates confidence in the club, the market, potential investors and ultimately attracts a better quality of player. There are plenty of examples of ‘smaller’ clubs like Copenhagen, Czech sides like Slavia and others who have thrived at a good level. No reason why we cannot ever match and exceed.
21 Jul 2024 23:13:35
@Fork another part of your post I totally agree with fork which is a biggy we have done all the groundwork for Scottish football on the co-efficiency and our biggest rivals have gained the most out of it by wing the league title and getting into champions league
And the money that comes with it
Very well pointed out mate goes without saying but that has been a big lift for our rivals bank balance and pull on players.
21 Jul 2024 23:27:05
John not sure how or why but I never read or seen these comments made to you nor did I read about any houses abroad etc etc don’t see how that relates to anyone on here or why it should stop you posting your opinions?
But for someone like your self who’s been on the site a fair bit and long time you know as well as everyone else everyone has a right to their opinion mate
And as one who gets or knows info you should be able to answer the.
21 Jul 2024 23:29:13
We never start a season with a clean slate, far too many gremlins in the background. We will continue to have problems on the park until we finally sort out the other rubbish which is holding us back.
21 Jul 2024 23:38:07
Sorry John hit send to quickly
Bottom line your opinion counts as much as everyone else’s and for some one being on the site so long and knows the ins and outs of the club should be able to give your opinion without anyone else bothering you on what they think
As some have said we haven’t been great we haven’t got it right a lot of the time players have let us down we have picked some wrong managers given them funds to spend when we shouldn’t have given players wages way beyond their current level of ability
And we have set the bed on occasions when we have had the opportunity to get ahead of Celtic
John if you think you have been a good poster and give a lot to the site then don’t hold back and give your honest opinions mate we’re all here to debate and give our opinions so debate away
@Raskin I agree Gerrard did spend plenty I said so myself on many occasions but when we won 55 we had the opportunity I believe as did many others that we could have strengthened again and possibly went on to win 56 instead we spent money elsewhere and Gerrard didn’t feel backed enough when we did finally have the upper hand and he walked
If you disagree give your reasoning behind it and your opinions on where we are and where we are heard i'm honestly eager to know
And from anyone else who hasn’t got involved yet
after all we’re all Rangers fans and we’re on a tipping point of our biggest rivals equaling and possibly may go further and beat our records of title wins.
21 Jul 2024 23:43:36
Apart from the fact onewalter that half the players u mentioned weren't in the squad SG inherited I think he has a point. Wallace Wilson Martin Candeias Waghorn Miller Windass a younger Jack, Tav and Morelos and others would certainly push for place in this squad if not start. The way we've been run and let down the past decade since return has been pathetic and still a lot needs put right. Apart from PC signings, Butland Sterling and maybe Yilmaz and Danilo would quite happily ditch all the rest.
21 Jul 2024 23:52:48
@Macnaughten good reply and totally agree ? thanks for another great reply.
21 Jul 2024 23:55:09
@portger again agree always something happening in the background not sure when and how we stop it from happening and function like the professional club we’re supposed to be always a fight or hiccup somewhere along the line and every club has them just us more often than many others atleast that how it feels.
22 Jul 2024 00:41:26
Then why not pull players like Alves / Cardoso in against Soutter / Balogun? Or Dimonde v a young fit Ryan Jack? Perhaps Candeias v Matondo or Wright (remember Coates isn’t ours), lastly what about Morelos v Dessers? A fit Tav 7 year younger?
I’ll tell you why, it does fit his argument / angenda and rather than make a point for discussion you have a go at another poster.
22 Jul 2024 00:42:58
And Nicky Law wasn’t even a rangers player with Gerrard took over for Christ sake.
22 Jul 2024 01:52:00
Good question stig. I feel we've tried to buy our way to titles which clearly isn't working, probably the one thing we can all agree on that it isn't working no matter which way you look at it. We obviously need to try doing it another way and imo the only way is to plan for the future, I get it will be hard for us fans, but we can't keep throwing money at it, we aren't in a position to. One of the major things we need to get right is our ability to buy cheap sell high, as outwith europe it's the one place if you get it right, it can help us to where we want to be. Tbh Berkshire has covered most of what I think about the board, it totally needs shaken up. I was there to witness 9 in a row, what a time it was to be a bear, I honestly feel for the younger generation that they've never witnessed success like that, but it's also hard for us that did witness it, to be so starved of success after being so successful. I'll never stop believing that we'll see those days again, success swings on roundabouts, it's heartbreaking when the roundabout hasn't swung your way. It will take time, hard work, the right ppl/ players in position, a good well run business model for us to get back to where we belong, but if anyone can do it, we can!
22 Jul 2024 05:20:03
Peaked under gerrard he won 1 trophy out of possible 9.crazy really. We got it wrong from the very start bringing in kyle sandaza ian black etc all on big wages. Even in 3rd div we has 2nd largest wage bill. Weve lost money every single season. Pretty sure we still have some directors loans to pay back.
22 Jul 2024 06:08:59
we have to admit the other side of the city are better run they spent
small under postage stamp we laughef
they need a rebuild they win the league poastage leaves they take back brenda they gave us the chsnce
to win the league lack of striker
among others we handed them league
and champ league money while we scambke to shift players but at end of the day we will still be bluenose
its our DNA.
22 Jul 2024 06:25:04
Dado I'm not having a go at a poster merely disagreeing that the team now is poorer or on a par with the team sg inherited that had Alnwick Martin alaves tav and halliday Goss rossiter Hodson Cummings holt and windlass now u may not agree so just say so.
22 Jul 2024 08:41:05
What in God's name is being rich or selling a property abroad got to do with this thread? Did you just throw that in for affect? ???.
22 Jul 2024 09:15:59
No comparisons with past teams I just think our current team isn’t very good. Not saying we won’t bring in some decent players before end of window but what we currently have isn’t great except for a few. We need some big changes before we can say we have a decent team. Just my opinion.
22 Jul 2024 11:54:10
Sunshine no, simple I’m told by some on here I’m not allowed an opinion, aeveect has nothing to do with it, u can sell a property for 30k
It’s a pity we can’t discuss potential new owners, etc without being shot down
But as plenty say we can read it when things happen.
22 Jul 2024 11:55:12
I tend to agree we r not great Azul, hopefully get four or five in by qualifying.
22 Jul 2024 12:35:01
Was this said recently John? Ooft, storm must of been raging ??
(Joke storm)
22 Jul 2024 12:42:47
Jfm63 was subject to something similar earlier in the year, led to him stepping back for a while, though gd to see him posting again ?.