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05 Jan 2025 10:26:46
JFM these are for you:
Alan Nixon saying that WBA looking at Adam Devine and a small fee may be involved
also Turkish website saying Everton looking at defender in Turkey. This could clear the way for Patterson move (to us? ) as they said they won't let him go without a replacement being bought.
1.) 05 Jan 2025 11:30:46
Love all rumours.
Keep them coming.
2.) 05 Jan 2025 11:49:53
I'd love Patterson to return, but can't see it.
3.) 05 Jan 2025 12:17:17
Patterson on loan would be a no-brainer for me. Especially if Devine is off.
4.) 05 Jan 2025 12:29:49
He'd be good but Rather concentrate on CB.
5.) 05 Jan 2025 13:04:33
We need at least one ch that has to be top priority.
6.) 05 Jan 2025 14:56:20
Am I the only 1 that doesn't want Patterson back. Great talent but is injury prone. Would rather sign someone similar to mackenzie from Aberdeen that's a strong defender and more importantly not out injured all the time.
7.) 05 Jan 2025 15:07:37
Bellshill i feel similar as and I would take Max Johnston as he’s decent, he’s young and we could continue to develop himself
I wouldn’t say no to Patterson just now though and the way we are defending I would take Jimmy Nicholl just now.
8.) 05 Jan 2025 15:42:06
I agree and don't really want to bring back players on loan; rather get someone we will keep. I know Cerny and Sima were great but we then have to lose them to find the next one.
9.) 05 Jan 2025 15:45:51
Bellshill he plays on the left the boy from the sheep Paterson is a right back.
10.) 05 Jan 2025 17:19:40
Patterson 'injury prone' ideal for the Bears!
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18 Feb 2025 08:47:24
Hi all I see the term just doesn't get Scottish football on here all the time but tbh I don't actually know what people mean when they say that. I just think normally that it is just another barb to hit a (usually) foreign but always a manager people don't like. I understand the league is more physical but Celtic manage without having that need for huge CHs. so just wondered if people could enlighten me. If we could try to not use it as a thread to defend or attack our current manager that would be even better and stick to the question please. thanks.
1.) 18 Feb 2025 09:25:31
Ask another one? been watching it for 50 years, and haven't a clue?.
2.) 18 Feb 2025 09:53:27
I think when we play in Europe we see the different style of football. In Scottish football probably down to finances many of the clubs are barely above amateur status of other countries trying to keep afloat with hardly any fans. Any talent or skill is quickly snapped up down south meaning the majority of teams resort to the low block football we struggle to break down. Poor weather and facilities and lack of academies mean it's harder to develop attractive football seen in other countries. The ineptitude of the SFA has destroyed development. We used to base much of our football on being physically strong like the Colin Henry braveheart approach but Football has changed so we can't play to the strengths of Scottish mentality and we struggle to adapt to the more technical side of the game. You could say EPL football was the same and it was British football before. The difference is they.
3.) 18 Feb 2025 09:56:21
Sorry hit send early. England have struggled till recently for the same British football reason. The difference now is the vast wealth that's been ploughed in taking the Premier league to a different stratosphere. At least that's some of my idea of "Scottish football"
4.) 18 Feb 2025 10:03:06
Hi Angus. I think simply put, Celtic have signed players that are suitable to Scottish football whereas we have not except a maybe a handful. I don't think its another barb to strike the manager with. Its a genuine factor. I don't think Phil gets our game and I think that's reflected in our poor tactics and the league table.
5.) 18 Feb 2025 10:17:53
Can give quite a few examples like the spine of the team is missing.
Our style of play is counter attack and we don't control games, speed of play is too pedestrian with teams that sit in, lack of natural width.
Need a strong goalie, centre half, defensive mid and striker then you build players around that.
I've said before we don't target these players to help the young players adapt and flourish.
6.) 18 Feb 2025 10:40:34
Cheers Kaiser so I understand all that but does a Scottish manager who is used to managing the other teams in the league have a way to play to break it down. I don't want us playing like another Kilmarnock. Also how does any foreign manager manage to adapt to that when they aren't used to it. Muscat is always mentioned and whilst he played for us and knows the club he doesn't set his teams up to have to beat a low block. I think we need to buy players to beat that low block rather than have the big physical type to beat the hammer throwers I guess is what I am saying. we do need a physicality but that doesn't mean being huge at the expense of playing well. yes before anyone jumps on the bandwagon I know we arent.
I am trying to discuss the practicalities of how we play against or in this environment rather than the manager who does it; yes I know I mention Muscat
I actually think Fork might be closer to the answer when it comes to us average supporters.
7.) 18 Feb 2025 10:44:39
Thi k where we lack in terms of not suiting the Scottish game is were a soft touch, we don't seem to have the fire in the belly and the wee bit of nastiness when it's required. Were too easily bullied, again that's nothing to do with physical stature in terms of having big burly defenders but more about players who play with aggression.
8.) 18 Feb 2025 10:56:10
I disagree Angus, I don't think Fork is closer to the truth. Look at PLG signings and style of play and then Walters signings and style of play when he took over from PLG. That's the best example to describe what you are asking. I also think the PLG scenario is very similar to what we are seeing with Phil. PLG never got Scottish football or the club and I don't think Phil does either.
9.) 18 Feb 2025 11:04:28
I also think I've maybe misread the question tho it would be helpful for the manager to understand these too. He also needs to understand the demands of the fans in a 2 horse league. Across the city they lost one league and lost the plot so applies to both sides. Any new manager to Scotland needs to know rebuild harder here to do through youth development he may have experienced before because there is none here. So there many factors that make it different and maybe make it harder for managers to understand.
10.) 18 Feb 2025 12:29:39
Angus Carter Vickers is hugely important for them and he's big.
11.) 18 Feb 2025 12:43:05
?Truth, you can't handle the truth???.
12.) 18 Feb 2025 12:50:43
Hi again
I wasn't trying to make any point on this perhaps other than to show that despite being said no-one is truly able to explain what gets Scottish football means. I used Fork as he actually answered the question although Kaiser you did talk about Scottish football as well. everyone else answered on what the team needed to succeed. and simply repeating that two managers never got Scottish football doesn't answer the question
as examples:
why does Scottish football need a spine but no other league does?
why is it only Scottish football that requires width, speed of play and need to control games
why does Scottish football need a strong GK, CM CH etc and other leagues dont.
what do Celtic players have that transmits to Scotland that our players don't have. but that is back to what getting Scotland means because until we break that we won't buy those players.
do teams in other leagues not 'bully' the opposition, do the leagues not need teams not to be a soft touch.
so I understand the need for what has been said in some above but down understand why Scottish football needs it and no other league does.
Kaiser I think your second post possibly hits on the truth I suspect is the case: we are in a two horse league and the team in 2nd has a manager who doesn't get Scottish football. worry is we can't go for a foreign manager as those leagues don't require all of the above and there is no way they will get Scottish football.
I still don't understand the difference but the debate was interesting and nothing too malicious about the current manager.
13.) 18 Feb 2025 13:51:50
Kick and rush and hammer throwers.
14.) 18 Feb 2025 14:07:59
Every successful team has had a spine and needs a spine in any league. The question has been answered. Look at the chaos under PLG and then look how Walter fixed it. That is all the information you need that explains why Phil is failing in the Scottish game because he is doing exactly what PLG did. He's implementing a system and signing players that does not work in Scotland. I know you said you don't understand the difference, neither did PLG or Phil and that's the problem.
15.) 18 Feb 2025 14:36:41
Angus it's not only Scottish football it's everywhere.
The successful teams will always have a strong spine and just to be sure I'm not comparing just using them as a mere example.
16.) 18 Feb 2025 14:39:01
Posted a reply on this earlier, think Eds looking at his eyelids again??.
{Ed001's Note - shhhh, it is difficult to sleep with all the noise you are making.}
17.) 18 Feb 2025 14:39:44
Scratch that Ed it's down there⬇️.
{Ed001's Note - and you are still stomping around making all that blooming noise!}
18.) 18 Feb 2025 15:03:59
PLG signed Lietzi, Svensson, Clement, Sionko and Sebo. Only papac worked out.
Phil signed, Propper, Jefte, Diomande, Bajrami, Barron. Only Igamane has worked out.
To fix the mess of PLG, Walter signed. Weir, Whittaker, Thomson, Boyd, Naismith, Davis, Miller. McGregor was installed as number 1. Ferguson was reinstated as captain.
If you can't see what is obvious then I think you are in the same boat as PLG and Phil.
19.) 18 Feb 2025 15:22:19
Aye fork going to try and post on the right thread mate? ?? Poor Ed.
20.) 18 Feb 2025 15:58:05
Not asking what makes a successful team but what is getting Scottish football but got the answers I expected.
Rosevale of the 5 CBs we have only Nsiala is shorter than Carter Vickers. CVV is much heavier but that just makes it more difficult to get off the ground doesn't it ?
Once a Ger using PLG as an example isn't perhaps the fairest of comparisons when you have Advocate, GVB and many other comparisons. How about if we look at Walter's record at Everton and ask did he not get British football. Or as is probably fairer look at the background issues that were apparent there as at least part of the excuse.
04 Feb 2025 12:08:55
Regarding Cortes and Nsiala to a lesser extent: Unfortunately, injuries are par for the course for professional footballers who are perhaps more susceptible than most to damaging bones and muscles due to the physical, frenetic nature of the game.
However there are several examples of players who had early injuries and made it to top:
Falcao: 3 ACL injuries
Shearer: snapped ACL in 1st season at Blackburn
Del Piero: ACL in 1998
Van Nistelrooy; before he signed for MU
Baggio; knee injury at 18
Xavi; ACL in 2006
Totti; played at top level until 40 after ACL
Pires
not saying they are as good but Nsiala with 3 knee injuries can still make it and Cortes with lesser injuries may just need to grow into his body. too early to write them off I think.
01 Feb 2025 22:22:17
One of the things I love about football: Espanyol beat Real Madrid and for the 3rd time at home in 6 games. I always want us to win but can see how the underdogs love to beat us for same reasons.
31 Jan 2025 10:50:02
not an excuse for our form this year but read that the only two players we have left over from Europa league final in 2022 is Tavernier and Balogun so a complete change of squad we have had to deal with.
If you compare to Celtic they still have 6 of the same players in their starting team in the game against us in the same month. That is what has been meant by a total rebuild over that period of time and hopefully now starting to see the shoots of that work and players getting used to the system.
31 Jan 2025 09:34:17
spurs just agreed £50M for Tel from Bayern so Igamane not going there then.
18 Feb 2025 15:21:50
Storm I don know but reckon his shirt number.
18 Feb 2025 13:36:19
Sorry Fork darned autocorrect.
18 Feb 2025 13:36:05
Same with Wilson. his contract ends in Summer 2026 so leave him where he is.
Is Nikki Cadden not a left midfielder.
From I understand there's a young lad called Alexander Arnold who is OOC in the summer. worth a risk but he can't defend either according to some.
18 Feb 2025 13:31:47
Cheers wsl and I saw someone else as well put 27. I reckon I confused his age with his shirt number.
18 Feb 2025 09:01:36
I like Penrice but should we really be buying a 29 year old when we already have 3 LBs who are 23, 21 and 21. I would rather we play our youngsters wherever they are from, accept they will make mistakes as they learn and develop them to sell.
18 Feb 2025 16:03:54
SWS and has been said in response to that I think it depends when Clement goes as the current assistant you are saying will be has no experience as a manager other than Morocco u23s. I think that would be a big gamble by the club at any point but especially following the season we are having. I think unless it is at end of Clement's contract they would go for an experienced hand and perhaps Charai would be kept in the structure.
18 Feb 2025 15:58:05
Not asking what makes a successful team but what is getting Scottish football but got the answers I expected.
Rosevale of the 5 CBs we have only Nsiala is shorter than Carter Vickers. CVV is much heavier but that just makes it more difficult to get off the ground doesn't it ?
Once a Ger using PLG as an example isn't perhaps the fairest of comparisons when you have Advocate, GVB and many other comparisons. How about if we look at Walter's record at Everton and ask did he not get British football. Or as is probably fairer look at the background issues that were apparent there as at least part of the excuse.
18 Feb 2025 15:50:32
Storm I think the issue is the background stuff in the club was wrong so whoever is the manager is going to struggle to be successful under those circumstances.
MPH he took Monaco to 3rd place in his first season which was seen as successful. they then sold 5-6 players at a huge profit and bought 3 I think at a much lower cost. even then he had them 2nd until the last 7 games when they lost 5 of them and finished 6. With 3 times the spending the next summer the new manager got them back into top 2 and now sit 4th with 12 games to go so actually worse than Clement in a way at this point. Unsuccessful I guess but it is about perspective. 6th kept them out of Europe which was all they cared about.
oh and BTW Dundee Utd have played 1 more game away from home and lost that extra game so they down have the sae record. stop just believing what you read in the press who know how the OF fans react and press the buttons.
18 Feb 2025 13:13:50
But Basil Clement isn't responsible for buying players so given that logic we should sack Koppen and keep Clement if he has to work with such poor players. He can only work with the tools he has been given.
Could a pro golfer win against McElroy if he had a set of Spalding clubs.
he also wasn't here when the latter 4 were bought and Cortes arrived as well before he came I think.
18 Feb 2025 13:06:57
If they were broken Basil then getting to that point in the title race against a better financed Celtic was some going. imagine what he will do when he gets a team he has fixed himself.
oh and we were chasing an opener to get to last 8 of Europa league. watch your game this weekend and see how many you leave back at corners. it sent unusual to leave 1. but I think that is the definition of not thinking rather than over-thinking
you may be a Gers fan but I suspect you are the latest reincarnation of 1 or more trolls who appear daily and then disappear after a few days. show me i'm wrong by being here for longer if you want as the more Gers fans discussing on here the better.