10 Sep 2025 22:12:50
Kaiser the thread is so far down I thought I would bring it to top. I was enjoying the discussion and can see your point and that no argument from me will change your opinion.
I am not trying to do that but perhaps discuss elements of it from what has been made public in the past.
so my take on the 3 pundits element you brought up is that they all said they had problems with Raskin not following instructions and doing what he wanted to do on the pitch. they had to take him to the side and explain exactly to him why his plays were interfering with others in the team and meant they couldn't play as they were asked. so is the same thing happening with Martin perhaps and possibly with Clement before him; remember the stories of players not following instruction.
so is this disobedience partly responsible for causing poor play. patterns not being followed makes it difficult for others in team to do what is being asked of him
so yes players can ask questions but to do that and then ignore what they are being asked to do on the pitch is not right and isn't helping the club. Perhaps Martin making a stand on this occasion might just be an attempt to right that.
just an alternative view on one element; not to make Martin right but to understand the deeper issues at the club.
10 Sep 2025 23:07:48
Angus Neil McCann didn't have a problem with him he said he sat down and explained it to him what they were trying to do and it was then sorted ? McCann stated he loved Raskin also.
10 Sep 2025 23:44:37
Angus, A player not doing what is asked then there is a problem as you know. this Raskin is a 6 just isn't true either as some say, Raskin is a number 8, he probably is our best number 6 though, Raskin has only played 4231 under Beale and Clement, Ferguson had two pivots as well, same for Belgium, how many times has Raskin played in a three man midfield? I'm thinking only under Martin.
10 Sep 2025 23:45:10
I agree he may well have been difficult as many top players are. Can you imagine working with Gazza? Or players with real ambition to reach the top. It's about how u manage them. Listening to McCann who actually worked with him so not just gossip and they were able to sit down with him and work it out and got the best. And that's with their limited experience. Something Martin has demonstrated so far he is incapable of doing with not just Raskin. That's management. And all of them said despite any issues they want him playing, not that we should get rid like he's a problem in the dressing room. Also Raskin hasn't downed tools and refused to play his way but has still bust a gut in games despite seemingly not liking his way unlike his unfit replacement.
11 Sep 2025 00:20:01
Storm people too eager to jump on boy because of his last club problems . i really don't get it so obvious that martin is the issue.
11 Sep 2025 00:28:29
Augus why are so adamant Raskin is in the wrong.
11 Sep 2025 05:54:00
Funny that Fergie said he was a 6 and raskin himself said as much, but fergie wanted to get more from him as an 8.
11 Sep 2025 07:12:02
I'm not saying Raskin is completely blameless but most successful teams have strong opinionated players. They often become leaders or captains because of their drive to succeed. Something else McCann said about working with him. Martin's answer tho is just try and get rid of anyone who questions his way and replace with weak minded yes men who lack that drive and determination. His teams have regularly been known to capitulate under pressure like we saw against Brugge.
11 Sep 2025 07:23:20
At the most basic level both parties have been at fault - however the vast majority of the issues sit with Martin - not just my opinion, but what's been decided within the club.
11 Sep 2025 07:23:52
Because of lack of character and leaders.
11 Sep 2025 07:30:20
I would have it written into players contracts if you don't follow instructions from manager you get fined! I would make it a substantial amount that it wouldn't be worth it!
11 Sep 2025 07:47:44
And their you have it ?
Case closed - thanks EHl
Now can we talk about something else ?.
11 Sep 2025 07:57:03
Fork but Raskin has always been a number 8 mate, again he can play as a 6 like, most cm can play a few positions.
11 Sep 2025 07:59:34
Fork, Raskin has never been a number 6 is a three man midfield anytime before Martin got the Rangers job.
11 Sep 2025 08:00:32
By the way Ferguson said he could play the number 6 role but never once said that was his best position.
11 Sep 2025 08:02:01
Kaiser I am saying what you are and that is that there will be fault on both sides. it is difficult to have any discussion on this because of the feelings against Martin though and that it is just thought to be his fault. this isn't a jump on Raskin but an attempt to understand this issue of players not following instructions which each of the last 3 managers have now cited as being an issue.
So Raskin is asking questions which he can do, but once he crosses the line I and the manager would expect him to carry out instructions. McCann said in games he didn't do that until it was explained to him further. so let us say he again isn't following instructions when he goes on the pitch and perhaps that is why Martin has dropped him.
if as is being claimed the club are siding with the players I think we have much more serious issues as that is what got rid of Clement. so I expect the meetings with Raskin to now be to explain again the reasons why he is being asked to play a certain way. Fans see him running all over chasing balls etc but as McCann said that causes issues to the structure of the team.
one final point if Martin's ego is as huge as claimed and the points being claimed by those itk are true (transfers being taken away, siding with players, being instructed to not sell Raskin and Curtis, change his style for OF etc) do you think that ego would allow that or would he resign.
11 Sep 2025 08:11:12
Raskin is not a dcm and has never been, he always been as cm but can play that dcm role and probably out best at doing it.
11 Sep 2025 08:18:41
Angus you are correct, no point in you looking at both sides, vast majority of fans want Martin out and Raskin is a star so their is only going be one winner, even if Raskin was the problem.
11 Sep 2025 08:48:28
Player wants to be a 6 yes fergie said he could play it, but wanted him as an 8, and u being the way u are when someone puts something up u don't like u rattle out posts like confetti, where did I say he's a 6 or an 8 I didnt, I said fergie spoke about it, as did the player. Not once did I offer my opinion, and yes, Raskin, for me, is a star and RM is hopeless that's an opinion.
11 Sep 2025 08:53:18
Ego or not Angus how often does a manager ever resign even if he doesn't feel the board support him anymore.
MyStar your being very black or white, both points can be true. Vast majority have said Raskin also needs to listen so Angus please continue to look at both sides. It's not just Russell v Raskin. People don't want Russel for a host of reasons, poor management of Raskin is just one.
Also not sure on the numbers thing 6,8 cdm cm or whatever but Raskin has been the most defensive of our mids for most of the time he's been here apart for a while when Barron had a run in the team so not sure your right on that one Mystar either.
11 Sep 2025 09:06:27
Kaiser, Cool i just know Raskin is an 8 but probably our best number 6 though.
11 Sep 2025 09:07:12
Vast majority is correct and I believe you are part of that vast majority as u have posted as such, so why u telling Angus to stop looking at both sides, Angus gives a balanced opinion from both sides, while I may not agree with it, it's how he views it and voices it accordingly and sticks to it, unlike some on here.
11 Sep 2025 09:10:13
Agreed Kaiser?.
11 Sep 2025 09:11:10
Cool Fork, all I'm saying is an 8 but can play the 6 role.
Wee question mate, is getting called a dxxk a personal attack?
11 Sep 2025 09:26:53
Why is Raskin getting it so tight he's barely played under Martin
So who's at fault for all the games we haven't won under Martin where Raskin hasn't been picked?
This is one strange thread going on and on about Raskin
READ the coach comments above ☝️
Isn't just Raskin - Igamane, also problems
End of Day Martin hasn't shown anything to suggest he's a good manager or going to be one
We just need to face facts at this moment in time nothing is looking good for him and the hierarchy know this also.
11 Sep 2025 09:30:15
Ok so the best player (any player really) in the team should follow the nonsense instructions from the PE teacher head coach that are proven not to work.? Really?
Didnt realise there were so many Yes men amongst us. WOW.
enjoy your 20th boost jabs fellas. ?
Russell Martin is clearly the issue, no one can defend that at this point.
Different if it was still Clement, he had actually proven himself to some standard in other leagues but Martin has only proven incompetence.
11 Sep 2025 09:56:26
I'm happy to take EHL's word on this.
He's the one poster on this site that has had firsthand experience of Martin.
The guy is never a top flight manager.
IMO, things will only get worse.
11 Sep 2025 10:00:17
Who have I called a d#@k? If it was me it's probably been used as a substitute for being daft/ obtuse, also the context, so on here I'd say no as I'm not exactly serious, as u all know .
11 Sep 2025 10:01:54
Ally, But it is really simple in this case, if Raskin doesn't carry out his manager orders he won't be on the park as another player that does carry out his managers orders will be.
11 Sep 2025 10:08:04
Stig separating the general opinion on Martin for a moment, Raskin not playing and why has been one of the major talking points of the season so far so think it's a reasonable point for discussion now the window is closed as to if they can sort their differences and we can get our best player starring again. If he's not in the squad this week it's going to be the headlines all over again.
11 Sep 2025 10:10:34
It wasn't you Fork, sorry i should have said that in my post.
11 Sep 2025 10:10:45
It isn't a thread about Raskin; it is a thread about the relationship between a player and a manager with the manager getting all the blame as the fans don't like him.
so there is fault on both sides but even today the press are running with that player saying that the meeting has taken place and that that player knows he has to win his place back and it won't be instant or a formality AND accepts he has to win back the trust of his teammates (not the first time this has been said as the players backed Martin in dropping him) .
so my point is there is more to the story than it just being all Martin.
Stig I prefer to get my info from a wider base than a posts on a fan forum as none of truly know who anyone is. no disrespect to anyone just an actual point of fact for once.
11 Sep 2025 10:16:07
Kaiser, I'm hoping he sticks with 4231, I would be happy with both Raskin and Diomande as our 2 cm's.
11 Sep 2025 10:21:06
If that it is true and he needs to gain the trust of his teammates, why would he even think about that If he wasn't the problem?
11 Sep 2025 10:32:18
Mystar I'd agree with u on that.
11 Sep 2025 10:33:09
⭐
Do you want Rangers to win games?
Shouldn't our best players be on the park?
Now ask yourself:
Have we actually been winning games?
Has Martin been picking the best players in their best positions?
Have we seen any real progress under Martin so far?
Does it even sound like the squad are behind him?
And from above, does it sound like he's well liked or fully trusted?
Be honest if results continue as they have been, will Martin still be here at Christmas? The answer is simple no. And all this bickering among us will have been for nothing.
Since Martin came in, the team has been all over the place. The mainstream media are running with stories of fallouts, poor results like that shocking 9–1 defeat to Brugge. On top of that, Martin has already been criticising and even slating his own players in public. For a new manager, that doesn't look refreshing it looks unprofessional.
There are serious doubts about whether the players can—or even want to—adapt to his tactical demands. Maybe it's a mismatch between what he wants and what this squad can actually deliver.
And the critics are right: this Rangers side have lacked a killer instinct. We've dropped points we should have secured, thrown away leads, made basic defensive errors, and too often looked passive under pressure.
You said yourself, you want rid of Martin.
Can't have it both ways!
11 Sep 2025 10:39:31
Angus,
So you're saying the mainstream media are right and everyone else is wrong?
The person you're referring to has already been confirmed as a past member of the coaching team a few long-term posters have said they've spoken to people who know him.
And I remember his answer. I hope it was all good things.
So on this occasion on social media, I believe what he says.
11 Sep 2025 11:05:19
No worries Star??.
11 Sep 2025 11:13:00
Raskin wouldn't need to be running around doing his best for the team if Martin would play a system that suits the players at his disposal.
11 Sep 2025 11:19:59
Stingo, You always fail to see this mate, It doesn't matter if he is your best player or not, if he doesn't do the job being asked from his manager he will not play and other player that does follow his instructions will play, it is that simple.
11 Sep 2025 11:21:16
Stingo, I want Martin out because i detest the way he plays the game mate.
11 Sep 2025 11:28:54
Stig you seem to think that by offering a different opinion we want the team to lose and that isn't the case.
I am offering what the the press are running with i. e. quotes from Raskin so not the opinion of a journalist or the opinion of posters on a forum. so fact rather than opinion. I have no issue with you believing what you want to believe in. oh and players have backed Martin in dropping Raskin so is the squad behind him?
so I want him to play our best team but I want that team to be playing the way the manager wants and not just choosing to do what they want during a game. that has been an issue which has run through each of the last 3 managers and needs to be solved even if it isn't Martin who is manager.
saw quote from a Celtic fan today about their board and club, which rings true about fans of all clubs: Butchers, bakers and light bulb makers have all of a sudden become CEOs, directors and football strategists. not a criticism but more saying we all have an opinion and think we are right but in reality none of us have experience of how to run or manage a football club.
By the way the bickering amongst us will stand us in good stead for the next manager when he draws or loses a game ?. good training.
11 Sep 2025 12:12:32
Angus there is no proof the players have backed Martin.
Correct MPH.
Coaches from last year spoke about Raskin and how it was fixed not that he was a trouble maker people are being selective on what they are saying to make it out it's Raskin fault on here.
No one has been able to say what trouble he caused at his last club either. Reports say he didn't sign new deal so he got accused of being a trouble maker by club.
Ps no one called Angus that on these pages just trying to cause more trouble as the Ed's wouldn't have allowed it.
I am really getting fed up as I am being censored for nothing but others are getting away with it Scot free and posts are allowed.
11 Sep 2025 12:58:52
I think we're suffering from international break syndrome.
Normality will resume next week?.
11 Sep 2025 16:49:04
Storm your answer to any point where the source is the press is to say there is no proof but everyone is happy to accept that same source if there is a negative narrative on Martin. you can't have it both ways.
the 3 pundits said last year that Raskin went on the pitch and played as he wanted to until he had to have it explained to him again. so never said he was a trouble maker just that he didn't play as the manager wanted. I have no issue with players questioning a manager but if they don't do as they are told when they cross the white line then I expect them to be spoken to and then dropped if they don't knuckle down. I think this is all that has happened here again but because of the anti-Martin narrative the press are using it to stir fans.
re last club Raskin commented on how he was sorry re poor social media posts he made about Delia and Liege so it is out there but in the press so no proof again ?.
Storm re name calling I am not worried about it so don't bother what others say. We are fine although we will always disagree on certain aspects which I am sure we can both accept and work around.
11 Sep 2025 18:25:25
Problem is one-upmanship you both (My star and Strom) think your right constantly, newsflash you're not, everybody disagrees, argues u two can't let it go, I'm tired reading it, we can all be a holes, I've done it as have others, give your heids a wobble, get back to posting what your both good at, this? between u both is tedious, and plus everyone knows EDs always right and maybe Angus??.
11 Sep 2025 20:03:27
Cheers for the edit ED??.
{Ed033's Note - ok thanks.