Rangers Banter Archive April 21 2020

21 Apr 2020 21:40:44
Looks like the Dutch league is to be cancelled subject to consulting UEFA. A precedent for all the UEFA leagues?

21 Apr 2020 23:10:06
The Dutch always tend to do the right thing given difficult decisions, much like the SPFL. Aye right! Lol.

22 Apr 2020 06:32:03
The main point about the Dutch situation is they wouldn't be declaring any team champions. Ajax and AZ Alkmaar are neck and neck at the top of their league.

21 Apr 2020 07:19:23
Following on from my league reconstruction post below, is easy to find fault in a 14 team league unless it's just play each team home and away, the split causes headaches however you do it, but you make a good point Paulellan. We could have 1/ 4 champions after the first round of games then 1/ 2 champs after the second, 3/ 4 after the third then who ever is top after all league games have been played keeps the trophy until after the first 1/ 4 of the next season. If they are top after the first 1/ 4 then coupled with this seasons 3/ 4 title they will be given, means they will have won 9 titles without any other team winning one but they just can't realistically be called in a row because of the break. This seems to be the spfls preferred option going forward and if we had a vote on it the diddy teams like aberdeen would vote for it (or they could be persuaded to), imagine the street parade after winning 1/ 4 title up in sheep land! I'm telling you this has got mileage.

21 Apr 2020 09:41:48
jyf very good tongue in cheek post.

21 Apr 2020 09:59:43
They Can’t win the league so the SPFL will award them the league.

21 Apr 2020 18:44:00
Sky demand 4 old firm games that the big stumbling block as their money is needed.

21 Apr 2020 18:58:16
Jyf, yip mate brilliant post mate. it has my full backing, and obviosly timmy would agree, as they have now claimed the three quarter league title, yip mate let's get this idea of to eufa as soon as possible . lol.

22 Apr 2020 09:18:04
I know Paulellan it seems to be the way they want it, if we are top of the league next season with 29 games played we've won the same "title" as they are getting given.

22 Apr 2020 13:54:34
Jyf, exactly mate, for bye that it makes sense, if you are a celtic fc fan, the current situ has shown me furthermore that they do as they please, every s. f. a, member apart from our man has a season book for parkhead, how can this be a fair way to run a football league?

20 Apr 2020 23:56:21
To the uneducated gazo, when rangers where in the lower divisions no european money, no sky money, crap money for winning the league, no entry into league cup. No money in the bank, surviving on season ticket money. If that's not operating on a budget. Have celtic every faced that situation, hence my club having more experience. When you club don't qualify for the CL you sell your best players. As I said my post wasnt a dig a Celtic.
Ps did u happen to catch Nicola presser.

Buzz, your showing yourself up mate. Where in my post did I mention admin for Celtic or Rangers. I highlighted the fact that your fans where eluding to us going into admin.
And this has got absolutely nothing to do with success. The house of Fraser where the best and look what happened to them.
What I'm saying is that BOTH teams are going to struggle more than most due to BOTH financial commitments and wage Bills. For F sake wake up u lot are u watching the news no football with fans till xmas at the very least and after that will prob be fazed return

It's not about my dads bigger than u. And speaking of dads do u really have trust in liewell.

Where I will agree is that the Celtic fans will Rally as we did d1, d2, d3, and prem and will continue to do so as well you know. and b4 you reply with why didn't we rally b4 the financial side of our was liquidated. Several tried ie the 3 bears and the fans groups. But the administrators wouldn't play ball.

I didn't see any Celtic fans or groups intervening when Celtic where going out of the game. 24hr noticed till the doors closed. If Ferguson didn't save you partick thistle would be 60 k fans better off. Great rallying from your club supports.

Can you answer me this buzz from your great support what was the real average attendance of your home games during our 9 n row. Now look at our average attendance during your clubs 8 n 3/ 4. Now that's a support for you to have a wee dream about. Also gives you some more homework to do on my club buddy. Anyway stay safe mate.

21 Apr 2020 04:16:18
Yip the bigger they are the harder they fall lol 😂.

21 Apr 2020 10:21:35
Rangers fans raised £22 million in a share issue scheme and the club basically P****d it up against a wall. The one thing you didn’t do was stick to budgets in the lower leagues and if you could go back and do it differently then you would.
Celtic fans had the sack the board campaign and I went to a few rally’s myself and we helped put the necessary pressure on the old board to sell up.

Before Fergus came Celtic had a capacity of 60,000 in the old ground and there wasn’t much need for a season ticket. We only had about 7,000 and I had one myself when I turned 16 because back then if you had a season ticket you were guaranteed a ticket to every away game.

Sir David Murray started a scheme were the fans could pay up their season ticket money in instalments and that started at the beginning of your 9 in a row when Sir David took over the club. Celtic did the same when Fergus took over and when we went back to paradise the season tickets went through the roof and Celtic had a big waiting list for season tickets with this new and easy instalment process.

Stewart the one thing I can’t understand is why after 8 years your fans have done nothing to try and get Rangers back. There is going to come a day when the liquidation process has been finalised and Rangers will be gone forever.
Fiorentina paid off the creditors and got their old club back within a few years and got fast tracked back into the top league.

Your fans have done nothing. Not a penny from the fans have went to the creditors. You and your club would rather put all their money into trying to stop 10 In A Row instead of trying to get your club back and in the end up you are going to be left with nothing.

Dave King has been a disaster for you and when the dust settles that is when the fans will realise they have been duped again.

21 Apr 2020 10:58:15
It took BuzzBUM until 10am to get onto a Glasgow Rangers page as he says to wind us all up? #Gonk.

21 Apr 2020 18:41:28
Ha Stewarty, "the uneducated Gazo", again with the comedy. Okay here it goes, let's see if you can understand it this time.

Rangers turnover 2012/ 2013 was £19.1m, in the most recent full season 18/ 19 it was £53.2m, in total for those 7 seasons your turnover has been roughly £207m, also in that time period you have made losses of £65.2m. Then we get to your inaccurate "surviving on season ticket money" quote did you conveniently forget the £22m IPO? So in 7 seasons you have went through £294m, pretty much £42m a season.

That includes as mentioned before McCoist's £825,000 salary for at least three seasons. Now right away the "educated" amongst you should have smelled a rat because much as he was legally due his wages for one year if he TUPE'd over surely that salary in Division 1, the Championship etc was ridiculously high. Put it this way he was on more in Division three than Lennon was for getting a team to the last 16 of the Champions League, more than the Scotland manager too. But Charles Green needed Ally on board so didn't try and renegotiate one penny of that overspend and Ally endorsed Charles literally all the way to the bank. Forget the Dallas Cowboys and 300m fans nonsense etc etc this was your red light with Charles Green not to mention directors bonuses for promotion but nope at this point most of you were in your tattooist asking if they could replace Craig with Charles on the much ridiculed "In Craig we trust. " tatt.

The ridiculous overspends didn't end there. By all accounts you had ten times the revenue of every club in Division three put together but still felt £750,000 spent on Templeton was necessary. Overnight stays at Turnberry on that "gruelling" energy sapping 2 hour trek to Stranraer.

By all accounts Ian Black's agent went in with a figure in mind and was offered three times it before he could say a word and the incremental rise in that wage claim stands up because Sandaza revealed the same when he was duped. Now let's look at that. Sandaza was on £4.5k, next year £5.5k, next year £6.5k, pending promotions. That's about a 22% payrise for a Division 3 to what became Division 1 promotion. Were Rangers expecting a 22% rise in income for that one jump? Black's percentage rise was more by the way. There is nothing cost cutting about that, it was utter folly and overspending from the start.

As you mentioned we sell players when we don't qualify for the CL etc. Who was the last player you sold in the mould of Van Dijk, Dembele, etc. Not that type of money of course but that incremental rise, be it £100,000 to £500,000 etc. I really thought Nicky Clark might have fitted the bill but no, he was released and probably had his Ibrox career undermined in his second season when in came Boyd and Miller. Despite announcing loss after loss many of you still fought a Morelos sale in the summer or any other valued saleable asset, how do losses tally with living within a budget when you have assets you can sell but don't?

Meantime Stewartyblue a few questions,
1) "No entry into League Cup", when did this happen?
2) You did get Sky money, you were on the TV most weeks all through Division 3 to the Championship (twice), don't you remember?
3) Do you accept that losses of £65.2m over seven seasons is not "operating on a budget"? Is you are on £207 a week and spend £294 how is that operating on a budget, I'm dying to know?

To finish something else struck me about this, a journey through the divisions and one solitary Scottish Cup Final appearance to show for it in terms of major silverware. That is exactly the same return as Brooks Mileson got for his £8m investment in Gretna. Is your £294m cash burn looking good value and a good use of your budget and losses compared to that?

21 Apr 2020 18:49:59
unbelievable but erudite for a 12 year old buzzie.

21 Apr 2020 18:51:26
Yately01, he certainly wound me up, the wee guy is a nutcase, it really is that simple. lol.

21 Apr 2020 18:53:39
Just like your fans, sat back and said nothing? .

21 Apr 2020 18:54:55
Buzz totally wrong again with regards to bring the oldco out of liqu. I think you will find that it was minuted at our AGM last year that the plan was to do that, however at present this cannot be achieved as the oldco liquidation is still going through the legal process. As a result of this a final figure has as yet to be agree with all owed parties included HMRC.

Can u tell how we pished it up the wall, did we win the league, are we back challenging for the title, are we not qualifying for the last 16 of Europa league, are we not spending money on upgrading our training facilities and stadium are we not paying 7 million ect for players. The 22 mill was all part of the rebuild mate and yes some mistakes where made, but your going to get that when starting from scratch.

When the dust settles King will go down as the guy who got rid of most if not all the leeches that where using our club as a way of making money for there own personal gain and didn't have the best interests of the club in mind. Hero in my eyes.

Ps I see yourself spouding the usual figures that fits your agenda but conveniently miss out the figures of your attendances during our 9 n row vs your 8 3/ 4.

Had to laugh at we started the sack the board campaign. That must have cost a pretty penny to set up and had absolutely not influence in fergus taking control. The threat of liquidation in 24 hrs was the main reason the old board decided to go. Another fact that you conveniently left out.

The 3 bears raised millions to try and purchase the club but failed in their bid.

As for the fans group they also raised a lot of money the figure of that I'm not sure. However this money that was raised. Now again I maybe wrong, but I'm sure that this money is currently in a trust for the exact purpose of bring the oldco out of liquidation.

So as far as we back our club with sack the board is concerned well done but not one fan group from your lot raised a penny and no individual or group apart from Fergus came forward to save your club. Fact. So if no Fergus no Celtic Fact.

21 Apr 2020 18:59:26
And as usual buzz has dodged the question and came back with more made up nonsense.

Leon i see the question that u was asked then answer the question we all have asked tht u have dodged. The 63 that your club's final bill will be, will the 30m in the bank cover it all?

So Leon go work out an average wage of even 100£ a week over 20yrs for 63 people add in a minimum of 50k each also and use that as a rough starting guide and x by 2 at least to get an actual figure then come back here and explain the 60m wage bill needing paid and tell us who will suffer more financially?

21 Apr 2020 19:09:41
does anyone know what gazo is saying? mindless pointless drivel as far as anyone can see.

21 Apr 2020 21:40:33
There is a plaque outside the stadium acknowledging the 'Celts For Change'
movement for their sustained pressure which helped rescue the club.
There were wealthy supporters of the club who paid the bank money which crucially gave the ‘Celts For Change’ more time and in the end up Fergus McCann came to the rescue.

The ‘Celts For Change’ organisation and the ‘sack the board’ campaign can’t be underestimated and went along way to saving Celtic Football Club.
I still think there is a chance you will get Rangers back once Sevco fail in their attempt to stop 10 In A Row. Then your fans will be saying that Sevco were not Rangers and those 10 plus years will be removed from your history because no major honours were achieved.

24 Apr 2020 11:29:24
Buzz, yea. that's right mate, that's exactly what we would have done, can i ask, how did you know that, very very smart, intelligence amazes me sometimes, mate,