29 Feb 2024 14:52:59
Every week in different leagues, although we are only concerned with one league and team, we see very controversial VAR decisions. My claim is not that VAR is useless, but that the efficacy is undermined by the operating procedures. Those procedures being that the flawed human decisions of one are being checked by more flawed humans.
I'm curious to see what other posters might think of a potential future scenario where VAR decisions are run by Artificial Intelligence. In this scenario, once VAR could be programmed with enough variants of every scenario, it would take decisions based on objectivity and would certain remove any suggestion of bias.
Although I'm sure that many fans would not want machine learning taking decisions, I wonder if there is an alternative that would be more correct more of the time?
Maybe that could be a poll, I don't know how that works but option 1 could be: train humans better to operate VAR and option 2: use machine learning in VAR
Thank you.
{Ed033's Note - Poll is: Would you like to see VAR operated by machine learning artificial intelligence computers or better trained humans?
VAR Poll
29 Feb 2024 15:40:20
Good question human will never get it correct 100% of time, if machine couldn't get any decisions wrong don't see why not.
29 Feb 2024 16:09:45
I don’t even like VAR gets involved far to much should only be clear and obvious gets used in every offside that leads to a goal if a player is a inch off side is that clear and obvious Var needs better trained officials and to only get involved if the ref has obviously missed something by a mile imo.
29 Feb 2024 16:10:40
My Star, I think we should definitely consider that because the probability would be that AI would be correct more often than a human operator. Although I also think that there would be another human level above the AI, which would be deployed in the event of a unique scenario which had not been included in the machine learning data set.
29 Feb 2024 16:20:51
At least a computer wouldn't be a Celtic supporter operating var.
29 Feb 2024 16:31:34
It would be interesting to say use the Scottish league cup as a pilot with foreign refs as the VAR team and see how it pans out. Using independent referees and VAR teams would be worth a try.
29 Feb 2024 16:40:24
AI is only as good as the info it is supplied.
You could feed it to be bias against certain players by telling it they go down too easily.
Or feed it bias against a certain team.
Easily manipulated.
AI is not the be all and end all and that’s from someone who knows someone who is currently studying it as part of his Uni degree.
29 Feb 2024 20:24:18
AI gets a C.V. to favour Celtic over Rangers,
Not for me I’m afraid,
Humans make errors but can usually be held to account,
VAR’s only in the early stages and needs improvement and it’s probably here to stay but for me should be run by human intelligence.
29 Feb 2024 20:48:09
Interesting MPH poll about machine learning, are you smart enough to bypass protected reason protocols and leave no trace of manipulation. You maybe correct it's not be all/ end all, security design in Ai can have said protections in place to eradicate outside influences and highlight protocol changes, Double edged sword, unless totally structured to include all necessary parameters required for decision learning process then its 50/ 50.
29 Feb 2024 21:29:02
I think tattie is right, it could definitely be manipulated, but if it was done good and proper by the right ppl, it would work brilliantly. Ai is getting used so much now, could help with a lot of the problems we have on earth right now, but the worry is that it could become to powerful.
29 Feb 2024 21:52:36
Not terminator just yet BB but hey who knows ?.
29 Feb 2024 21:56:59
He isnt.
29 Feb 2024 22:48:24
AI? That’s up there with the blue card rubbish just no.
29 Feb 2024 22:54:14
Implementing VAR with AI promises faster, more consistent decisions, reducing human error and bias. However, AI might struggle with subjective calls. Human referees offer experience, empathy, and contextual judgment, enhancing the game's integrity. Yet, they remain prone to error and bias. A hybrid approach, combining AI for objective rulings and human oversight for subjective calls, could offer the best solution
Well that's what AI ChatGPT says anyway ?
My two pence is let refs ref the game, technology for offside and over goal line and give each side 3 uses of VAR a game if they want to challenge a refs decision, like in tennis.
29 Feb 2024 23:08:10
RDB the computer learns and predicts without programming, enhanced in deep learning with algorithms for datasets/ patterns-decisions/ predictions, including explainable Ai allows better understanding/ decisions and interpretation, which in turn allows security in trust and bias.
01 Mar 2024 08:40:28
Still think rugby has it correct with the TMO and visible to everyone while being discussed, AI in var could be gd, but would require massive initial technical input to allow the AI to actually learn and evolve. Teething probs 100%, same as we have now, it's a 50/ 50 thing for me if it works correctly.
01 Mar 2024 09:23:59
AI interests me in normal life, I don't like Var as is, if improved whether by AI or better implemented instruction to ref/ var assistant's for decision making, then maybe. Makes no difference cause we all like a moan, needs to be more decisive, rules are as clear and complex as mud.
01 Mar 2024 10:05:35
to write the code for VAR to be run by AI would be extortionate. with all the variables that need to be entered just wouldn't make it worth it.
01 Mar 2024 13:11:51
Sounds too much like common sense huey, they won't wear it, bud, like the concept though, offside and goal line tech is a no-brainer, unsure about the 3 challenges though??.