Rangers Banter Archive December 09 2012
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09 Dec 2012 19:44:55
Think the game is up with the publication of the prospectus. No assets, no ownership of players, basically buying zip. Just providing a revenue stream for Charles and his chums. Sucking the blood out of good people.
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As a businessman I have no idea how this company could remain solvent for any length of time. You have to tell the truth in a Prospectus or it could be jail for fraud. We're now getting beyond Green's rhetoric and into the realms of truth.
It's clear to me this business exists to provide for the comfortable living of the Board and management and pays little attention to the governance and thought of protecting investors interests and providing returns.
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Hey mate washin windows does not exactly makes you a buisness expert.
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Poster 2. Have you even tried to read the Prospectus? Have you ever read one and then used sound business judgement to decide whether to invest in a public offering based on the information in the prospectus?. No. Thought so.
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@1 so come on then in your superior business knowledge what terrible fate awaits us stup,d gers fans who buy into the share issue. How long will it be before green runs of with all our money. And more importantly since you can obviously see a dodgy deal from a mile away who owns all our assets and how long till we plunge back to the abyss. I'm fed up with just because you wish us to suffer more it makes all your drivel reality and all us silly gers should listen to every bad word because you only have our best interests at heart aye right. Look the thing is we need to trust green and get behind the share issue because with out green our club would be dead which is what you would like. The bottom line is we are big enough to make up our own minds and no matter what you say that wont change. Yes things could go wrong again but with the poor finances of Scottish football low attendances at many clubs and the harsh economical difficulties the majority of normal people are suffering right now this could be a possibility for most clubs in Scotland
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Lol well I would like to know the reasons for the disagrees for post no4. Was it the low attendances can't be because that's true was was it the tough economical times most people are suffering can't be that's true wads it the case we are big enough to make up our own minds can't be because that's true was it the part that most teams could suffer severe financial difficulties can't be that's true. So this leads me to the conclusion that the disagrees must be from our old friends from the east better known as the bullsh,t brigade
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Poster 4 and 2. It is simple. when you bother to shift your arse and concentrate on the black and white in the prospectus. Yes, I do this for a living. No, I would not invest. Do I think Rangers fans are being taken advantage of - Yes, I do. wisen up. Read for Gods sake. If you want to line other folks pockets and F your club go ahead. You were warned once, you are getting warned again. We dont hate you as much as you think, we all come from the same place.
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09 Dec 2012 18:36:45
Just wondering if you guys still hang on every word and still have such love with every thing cg says with that report out? Cause he said come the end of the season you would have a more balanced sheet then Celtic, well no more debt for us cause of the 30mill we banked and yous seem to be spending big time(reuse of ebts again?lol). Hope you are starting to see the light after yet again another foot in mouth and why must he always mention Celtic and spl after saying yous want nothing to do with spl?
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09 Dec 2012 15:03:26
Sums us up at the moment ed, this is a rangers banter page but not 1 mention of how the game went yesterday, people on here want to talk about everything hut football.
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Last time I looked it seems your share issue is the main talking point ?
Lenny
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Lenny
Is there a list that ranks talking points, the main talking point on here is always what that agenda setters ie. Celtic fans, decide we are talking about.
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Why did you not post about the game then ??
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09 Dec 2012 14:18:20
Green on £360,000 per year plus posh west end pad at £1,700 a month, plus bills elect, gas, council tax, plus car, fuel, insurance, dinners, lunches,....
Other Directors similar....
Non execs on £50k plus expenses...
Everything back to normal now boys snouts in the Ibrox trough.
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Yep. West End apartment. I thought he was in hiding from death hreats from Rangers fans, moving from hotel to hotel. How much bull can this CG man spill?
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OP - Surely you're not naive enough to think he would be doing this job for nothing, yes it's alot of money - but alot less than his predecessors. I can well believe that the chairman of Celtic FC and some of his board members earn much more than that. bigbaz
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Bigbaz WHAT YOU DOIN MAN, you complain about too many timmy's on this site, then you bring them into the debate.
Tam
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Yep. Celtic Board members earn a similar amount. But they are top of the SPL and in last 16 of Champs league. a bit of a difference than fleecing 4th division fans.
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Worst still when they leave SFL - for new SPL2 or by promotion back to SPL... theres 100% bonus (and SHARES!! when means these sold, loose more value).
so the £20 million raised now, hardly builds a squad, it pays for the directotrs, and to rebuild ibrox (£5 million at least, with option for £3 million more).
So green puts in £25,000, and one month later is paid this in salary, with 10% stock options, and is minted.
poor gers - how do you break into CL on these crippling financial plans...? Green did badly at Sheffied now we know why... no fitba sense.
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Why even bring the Celtic chairman into it? They are 3 divisions above us, just earned around 30 million from Champions League and are in the best financial state this past few years than they have ever been. No one on here wants to be hearing or talking about Celtic. This discussion is about Rangers mate, and the questions being asked about CG are valid ones.
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Off topic big baz your one of a small handful of rangers fans on here who has banter/good points etc and replies are always bang on and not full of timmy this timmy that ed hes calling me name etc lol
I believe lawwell etc are all on big bucks baz however we are 4 divisions above rangers and in Europe.
Just take lawwell as a example as much as alot of Celtic fans don't like him and only shows up when the goings going good.he along with others managed celtics debt to around 7/9m when we never won the league for 3 years had to pay tony Mowbray and co a golden hand shake then pull in Neil Lennon and give him some sort of money to square up a team full of loan signings from TM.no real run in Europe so no money from that.
Charles green is doing the dirty work and I always say its not a love football anymore it's a business first and foremost.ive not and won't read the share issue book as I have no intrest in him or rangers however countless posts over different forums are picking out ALOT of flaws.the appointment of smith Greg and Traynor all spring to mind.boycotts everything Charles green needs to keep the fans on his side as he know he could just do a Craig whyte and shut up shot and sell the assets and make alot of money but he would need to go hiding.or please the fans who want boycotts appoint whoever is rangers minded all to please the fans.no fans no money.
325k a year plus the extras is alot plus players and back room staff all the way to the cleaners is alot of over heads for a team in division 3 who also likely have the 2nd highest wage bill behind Celtic
Share issue has one too many flaws in it and if I was a going to pump £100/£1000 whatever into it then alot of questions need to be asked before green gets his money and bolts
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I was using Celtic as purely for a comparison of another club the size of ours for a relative wage structure of what the executives might/might not earn. It wasn't a dig at Celtic in any way, i wish our finances had been similar to Celtic's, we wouldn't have gone t*ts up then.
Fair point about the league division difference - i just don't think that CG is taking an extraordinary amount out of the club in wages, compared to what was previously paid out.
@6. I'm never said the questions about CG weren't valid.
Lenny, once again your post is a good one.
I know Tam, far too many timmy's on here. lol bigbaz
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Key is what is greens long term plan.....
is it £10 million loss per year, share float gives two years, and hes out, with £1/2 at least in pay alone for rfc, what about salaries in the subsiduaries.... and newco collapse like oldco in 2 years with more debts to hrmc and creditors (after all. it worked for last lot)
or try to really take gers back to spl/cl (but why not focus on rebuilding team only), and in doing so rebuild value of brand etc etc etc......
or who knows... but looks very sad job, too much get rich quick.... and thats last thing gers fans need.
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Aye Bigbaz get us to feck lol
Tam
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@9. That's exactly the problem. Is he good or bad for us, only time will tell - i have my fingers and toes crossed that he will not turn out to be another CW, as i don't think my nerves could take it. bigbaz
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I honestly feel green is bad for rangers, anyone running a business (be it a 1 man operation to multi million), cannot bare grudges, especially the "I will never allow us to enter the spl".
Forget all the bullsh1t he has spouted, (from £100m warchests, 30 players from european championship, better balance sheet than celtic etc etc), if you want to succeed and play in europe you must be in the top division.
The problem is to many people cant see he is a conman because they are hoping he is for real and sticking heads in the sand.
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Why will green not play in spl. Spl clubs voted the same way as sfl clubs
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09 Dec 2012 12:53:55
How can Charles Green claim in his Prospectus that he can not see The Ibrox Title Deeds when he and his chums are supposed to be the owners? Does this Prospectus make any sense?
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Prospectus looks like it was made by a first-year analyst at a very poor Investment Bank. or drawn up by Pinnochio. Charles Chancer Green.
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Is he renting MP and Ibrox already and hiding it in salaries? Why are salaries £3.5m for 4 months?
Why was there only £4m season ticket money left in August when he said in mid November it hadn't been touched. August was four months ago, so if it paid salaries, there's £500k left.
Can we please have a questions and answer session with CG regarding the prospectus, the assets, this umbrella company, etc, before share issue?
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Not all season ticket money is received up front...
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Exactly, over 50% of tfanbs pay it up.
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09 Dec 2012 11:55:09
Clam down paranoid people this increased pot for wages will include signing on fees and agents fees.
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Hee-haw... signing on and agents fees, for just 5 players. This bill covers directors, players (27 it says), and staff.
Signon and agent fees...??
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Did sale of davis not net 800,000?
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09 Dec 2012 11:46:21
on here earlier Sir Wattie not taking a penny from Rangers !!!! now to get £50,000 annually...interesting....JohnnyG
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Whats interesting about getting paid to do a job?
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09 Dec 2012 14:35:36
not disputing fair pay for work done...point being love of club was payment enough..well £50,000 buys a lot of love and even more gratuitist remarks in the press to keep all bears happy and blinded from real facts and figures ..50 grand well spent....
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Thought he was not taking job up until after the share issue ?. Stranger and stranger.
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The prospective only goes to 31 aug did templeton not sign on that day so his wages wouldnt be include or any other big earner signed that week who wouldnt get a wage till the following month
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09 Dec 2012 10:38:57
just watched half time at ibrox yesterday,just to let you all know the bears down under in perth western australia are so so proud of our fans,our stadium our history,our achivements,and our future,at game today at kinross and we had a great teddy bear love in proud to be a ranger,today and forever,well done to all 50,000 bears yesterday
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Yes it was a good turn out imagine what sort of a crowd you will get when you celebrate the first year of your new club if thats what you get for 140 DAYS
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Watched the match yesterday on RTV.Stirling Albion were probably the poorest team I have seen yet.So no kuddos for Rangers performance.
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09 Dec 2012 04:39:11
Well done Jim Trainer for having the courage to voice an impartial and honest opinion on the scurge that has managed to pass themselves off as journalists.The same people who have done so much to damage Rangers with such vigour they disgrace not only the profession but the sport itself.
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And well done Jim for all the on the record statements stating that the old Rangers are dead with no history lol
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54 and counting smeltic will always be in the shadow of the gers youl be lucky to beat arbroath remember clyde
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@2 Answer this question, if you are same team, why were you not deducted 10 point's for still being in administration ?
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@3 that was a SPL ruling, last time i looked we were top of div 3, ok. Try and keep up and not just appear to.
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OP So you agree now with your beloved Jimbo.The very man that said Rangers are dead and all history lost.Impartial my erchie.
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At 4 why not answer his question instead of trying to be smart. He has a point if you we're same club then you would be in administration still
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@4 Look at the rule's you go into any division under admin your deducted point's
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1. If it were the same club it would not have had to apply to SFA for membership and license. It would have still had its membership.
2. It would have had its minimum three years association football history and be able to play in Europe. But it has to wait three years minimum before it can play in European competition.
3. Having come second in SPL it should have been playing in Europa cup this season. But that was old historical Rangers right. Not the new club.
There's about 20 other regulations and legislative instruments demonstrating its a new club.
DON'T BELIEVE GREEN'S LIES. HIS LIES CAN EFFECT NO ONE BUT RANGERS FANS. HE'S NOT LYING ON OUR BEHALF, ITS TO DUPE US.
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Green has been told to get the name changed as he's been breaking insolvency law. Probably by Stock exchange who have a liquidated club called that. He wanted it to be The Rangers Football Club plc and got told where to go. So he adds international. It's a different club wise up. Forget Green's drivel. The sooner its all clean and sorted and the only focus is football instead of boycotts etc the better.
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@9 Could this be true ?, is this why Charlie boy is trying to push through the share's sale because he know's, if or when BDO take the name away, the bear's will not buy. Very interesting
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09 Dec 2012 00:24:00
The Prospectus certainly was not written by a major Investment Bank was it? Hardly Goldman Sachs material. It is a con, a hoax, and fraudulent. Sue me.
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09 Dec 2012 00:20:15
Whoooahhh! who actually owns Ibrox. Try finding it in the share prospectus. you wont! Who owns the fixed assets of the old and proud club. It can not be found in the share prospectus, just a reference to the use of Ibrox as an asset. The use, not ownership. So what is the share issue about? Buying thin air and promises?
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Honestly mate get a life . Stop torturing your sole over Glasgow Rangers.
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09 Dec 2012 12:26:42
@1: I agree. Cruelty to any fish is terrible. ;)
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Leave the fish alone,it,s not his or her fault, garlar07
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For cod sake!
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Mon the fish!!!
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@5 when a read that there a did it in the voice haha
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@3 Don't make a halibut of it...................I'll get ma coat. bigbaz
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Floundered a bit there bigbaz,garlar07
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Bigbaz knows his plaice , poor big sole. he should get trout and about more often. shammy
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Hate to carp on about this,hey dont knock bigbaz off his perch or you will be herring about it ,garlar07
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Playin to a different tuna noo...deecee
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Im saury to go on about this but i hope your not a brooder deecee, id hake it if you were,have you haddock enough of this as i have,it,s been done to death,garlar07
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Guy walks into a shop with a salmon up his juke and says to the wee wummin serving " here missus dae ye sell fish cakes ? ..... aye we dae son she replies ......." thank christ for that ,, it's his birthday the day " >>> I'll get ma coat eh .......!!
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Is there any porpoise to these posts? I'll get my skates on
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Dont know if theres any porpoise,but am having a whale of a time,anyway am aff to the vets wi that sick squid a owe him,now we realy are skate-ing on thin ice.
AJM.
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Charles Green will soon be sharking it in.
But how will your consortium make your profit?
We'll make it on a share issue - Charles Green, August 2012.
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The fish jokes are Brill you,s are a Dab hand at it and dont let anyone Mussel in on you for the world could be your Oyster.jamie.
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That was great show from all,cant wait for next sp,helling mistake,im gona clam up now,well done all garlar07
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10 Dec 2012 17:55:55
Bet #1 feels like a hairy clam now lol
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