Rangers Banter Archive September 04 2015

04 Sep 2015 22:19:03
Anybody got any idea how to get in contact with rangers first keep sending them emails no response any one got a telephone number cheers

05 Sep 2015 10:16:44
They won't refund .

06 Sep 2015 21:39:55
Kool cheers my mate signed up to club1872 meant to pay by instalments and took the full whack lol sent them emails no response

04 Sep 2015 17:33:33
We have a game tomorro would be nice to get back to talking bout that rather than all this drivel!

04 Sep 2015 18:40:17
I second that mate. Past few weeks all we have been discussing is how great the team looks n plays and how excited we are for the next game to come along and now all this site is talking about is green,whyte etc etc. sick of reading it. Courts will decide their punishment. Let's get back to talking about our team. I was going to say 5-0 tomorrow but after all this talk about compliance officer this n that I want to take 7 or 8 off them. Someone is due a real hiding from us.

04 Sep 2015 20:17:40
Do you think we should let the gaffer loan wee chesney his magic hat for monday🎩

04 Sep 2015 21:32:26
So you think we should just bury our heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the club is serious trouble? That worked out really well for us in 2012.

04 Sep 2015 21:55:17
Big ole the magic hat would be to small for strachens big head.

04 Sep 2015 22:33:26
U can bury your head where u like mate a didn't tell u to bury anything all I said we have a game tomorrow would it not be best to talk about that instead of having a guess on what's going to happen to all the people involved!personally I think the site has been better whilst talking about the team and football rather than boardroom n off the field issues!

but if you want to bore the arse off us with talk of green and whyte etc., by all means mate am not the editor nothin to do with me I'll just go to the game tommorrow and enjoy that and won't be givin a toss what's happening off the field

05 Sep 2015 05:34:33
Good call Ryan. My glass is alf fll ,just like yours mate.

05 Sep 2015 11:45:46
Ryan: I am looking forward to the match today and Zelulem's home debut

05 Sep 2015 13:28:05
Abhabh. Can you elaborate what serious trouble the club is in? As far as I know it's not, the police are looking into how the club was bought fraudulently by past owners, unsure of the ramifications are to today's current owners. Just sick of reading about this on this site. No one knows for sure what is going on, that's y people can't make daft comments about it and besides ED will remove or not allow all posts relating to speculation on the matter. Just roll on 3pm and give rovers a well deserved tanking. WATP

05 Sep 2015 14:14:10
Abhabh- couldn't agree more mate. Unfortunately you will get dogs abuse.

Sadly too many of our fans are too stupid to see reality. That's one of the reasons we have got in such a mess in the first place.

Yes the team on the field is looking better, but considering our playing budget vs the opponents we are simply doing what we should be doing in the first place. Last season should not be used as a yardstick- it is one of the most pathetic failures in Scottish football history (among a nation of failures).

Off the field we are in serious trouble. Sorry if fans don't see this. Clubs will demand further sanctions after the court action, they can't at the moment (contempt of court). Green obtained our registration fraudulently. That is an indisputable fact and given the bitterness towards us not one that will be lost on the "sporting integrity" brigade. Further to that our club has been used as a vehicle for a massive fraud. Still can't see the problem?

Cue dogs abuse for negative Luigi for speaking the truth

05 Sep 2015 15:27:38
Luigi: I think you'll find the main reason we have got into such a mess in the first place is a shyster buying our club, why do fellow fans point the finger at other fans as if they are in some way responsible?

05 Sep 2015 15:40:01
Given how long it has taken for the specially trained investigators to bring charges it shows how complex it all is. Not a single person on here knows the full goings on behind the scenes and I also doubt many if any really fully understands corporate law and fraud. As far as I can tell the current accusations are at the individuals rather than the club or any of its companies. Why don't we keep the banter page for footballing banter and the financial comments to the finances page

05 Sep 2015 15:40:44
It is not just the events of the past week that has us in serious trouble. Having said that they certainly haven't helped us. Our problems relate to our inability to raise external funds. We are living hand to mouth, relying on emergency loans to keep the lights on. Our criminal chairman isn't helping matters as his involvement will hinder our chances to gain said external funding. Without a quick resolution to these issues we will struggle to survive the season.

05 Sep 2015 15:56:45
ABHABH: Sorry, but I don't think we will struggle to survive the season, I don't have any Philadelphia legal reason for this other than I don't think Warburton would have come without assurances re finances.

05 Sep 2015 20:59:58
Scotjo - where do you think the money will come from to last the season in your opinion? possibly the manager was lied to? Remember Green promising Ally a £10m transfer budget? Certainly King has been economical with truth with everybody else. NOMAD lined up, share listing, over spending. Need I go on?

04 Sep 2015 10:37:45
Im just amazed that it all took this long to get Green, White, Clarke et al to court. A blind man could see this sell-off was totally and utterly detrimental the creditors, club and supporters and in no way could be considered a reasonable price for the assets involved. I wonder if thing will come out of this implicating SDM (I personally hope so, but that's my own feelings)

04 Sep 2015 11:19:29
The thing is, the vast majority of supporters bought into his cr@p of being victimised , down trodden and not forgetting the absolute bullsh1t statements he came out with.

04 Sep 2015 11:42:04
Password the police have had to wait until the greens and whites,duffs a phelps etc have finished doing as they have done,then the police have had to look over 4 years of paperwork before deciding right let's go after this lot now,if they had charged them say 3 years ago,the time would have ran out to get them to court,witnesses would have forgot what they said,so I imagine this has been to to prossision .

04 Sep 2015 12:25:00
Memaself?

It is unfair to blame Rangers FC or their fans as to who is in charge. The fans can only respond to what the media puts out - we have no means of knowing their worth by any other means.

The media hyped up Whyte and Green, not the fans. The fans only came on board once the media wrote about them. I remember our fav Glasgow newspaper stating that Whyte was worth untold millions and was going to spend spend spend. I also remember them saying that Green was a front for an Arab investor who was willing to spend big. The fact that fans bought into this is not their fault it is the fault of the media for being lazy journalists.

04 Sep 2015 14:33:07
Eye Redy, that's a very jaundiced view. The key word in your post is "spend". Most fans were willing to jump into bed with any person willing to spend irrespective of their background or what the media said. In fact the only person the fans didn't jump into bed with was the one guy who might been beneficial for the club through a complete cull and an overhaul of the business model. Why not, because he spoke of tightening the purse strings?
Bill Miller anyone?

04 Sep 2015 14:45:10
If I remember correctly everyone thought Bill Miller would have done a good job - do not remember anyone criticising him.

As for RFC fans jumping into bed with anyone - who were these investors that we would gladly go to bed with? If memory serves not a lot a takers on that score.

04 Sep 2015 15:53:14
Sorry Aye ready, but Miller received hate mail from fans who seemed to believe only ''real rangers men'' should take over the club, this despite most of these so called Rangers men who wanted the club being all mouth and unwilling to come up with cash, and certainly this so called fans reaction unfortunately was a major reason on Miller pulling out.

04 Sep 2015 16:01:06
Your memory is playing tricks on you, remember the banners saying go home yank etc, as for the media, even on here, anyone saying a word against green got slated, the desperation supporters had, for a guy to walk in with a "war chest" clouded a lot of sensible people judgement, and couldn't see the obvious , so yes you can blame.

04 Sep 2015 16:01:12
Aye Ready. the media are scared at times to say anything that may be seen as going against our team. There are a number of media names who have been threatened with violence and intimidation when they have made any frank statements be it about directors or anything in our clubs name.
We have a number of fans groups who should look at themselves very closely in all the past messes. who have backed the "big war chests" wholeheartedly in the vain hope that they really are directors/owners who care about our great club? From Murray down there has been a "cloth cap wringing" "bow scraping "blind following" of the pie in the sky statements by our directors , that for some unknown reason a majority of our fan base appear to "eat up" like lambs to a slaughter. When any challenge goes against this "freethinking" brigade ,name calling and threats inevitably follow . its the Rangers way I'm afraid and until we manage to chill out and just become fans who just love the game instead of thinking everyone on planet earth hates us, we will not "move on" from the past mistakes of others, as getting proved as we yet again talk about it,,,,,,,,,,aaaaaaaaaaa groundhog day anyone:(

04 Sep 2015 16:18:18
Man aye ready your memory is only serving double faults. Miller did indeed get "Yank go home" abuse. Ironically with a number of them playing for Rangers on the park at the time but hey it's Rangers, contradiction is almost a bye word. Shocking history re-writing in that sieve you have for a memory, tut tut.

04 Sep 2015 16:50:09
It would seem from the replies that because some supporters do not like or do like whoever is in charge then that means that the entire family of RFC supporters agrees the same. A few banners does not mean the whole support. The majority of RFC fans stay at home; the majority of RFC fans are not belligerent; the majority of RFC have a touch of class about them.
Those that have opinions and like to tell all and sundry about their opinions go onto all sort of media outlets spouting forth, therefore making it seem that ALL RFC fans think the same, however in my humble opinion that is far from the truth.

04 Sep 2015 20:40:52
That's all very true Aye ready. Why therefore did you write "If I remember correctly EVERYONE thought Bill Miller would have done a good job" followed by the equally inaccurate "don't remember ANYONE criticizing him." Well done aye ready, perhaps a record for in here, 5 posts between garbage and it's utter contradiction from the same guy! Which bizarrely turned out to be even bigger garbage??

So why say it is far from the truth that all Rangers fans thing the same but use such all embracing words like everyone and anyone? I doubt it's possible to contradict yourself even more but I'm sure you'll give it a good try eh?

04 Sep 2015 22:12:03
ALLY that was the most honest appraisal I have ever seen from a Rangers fan and I would imagine some of it was difficult to write. I applaud you.

04 Sep 2015 20:21:18
Ally that's the Best post anyone has posted Well said that man( Take a Bow Son ).

04 Sep 2015 22:16:13
Aye Ready: I totally agree, fans only responded to what was being reported, I don't see what is jaundiced about this view Gaz I, it's only logical and this hey, it's Rangers mentality, it can't happen to us, from Celtic fans is getting a bit waring,
so the moment we read about Whyte taking over we are supposed to assume this guy is going to sell us down the river, give me a break!

05 Sep 2015 09:51:53
Scotjo it was actually STYAB that said jaundiced so you are off to a bad start already. I think Celtic fans are overall a touch warier, we proved that in the 90's. The cloth cap mentality that ALLY alludes to definitely exists, an ex Rangers director referred to it as "the big hoose mentality" where you defer to people in powerful positions and never question them, how many of you say Mr King, Mr Green, Mr Wallace, Mr Stockbridge at the start? He was wee Fergus from day one, he's still Lawwell or Peter Lawwell. So with this almost instinctive respect comes an attitude never to question, oh they are Rangers directors I must call them mister, show them respect and that tie and position leaves them lauded and unquestioned in many cases till it it way too late.

Okay Scotjo why even after the collapse, February 14 2012, were people still delighted the next day when Whyte went to court and got to chose the administrators? Why despite numerous warnings from people within Sheffield United did people still back Green when the game plan more or less seemed to mirror theirs? I don't know if you question on day one but some of you didn't even question then and that is very worrying.

05 Sep 2015 11:48:45
That wasn't the point I was making, you so wise Celtic fans would have clicked on as to this right away I suppose?

05 Sep 2015 11:59:09
Actually Gaz I it was a good start I got off to because my point made sense.

05 Sep 2015 15:46:08
One point Gaz, maybe people still backed Green simply out of urgency, they wanted to believe in him, who else could they turn to? Time was running out, it was like that at that time, people are only human in these situations.

05 Sep 2015 15:58:27
You said "I don't see what is jaundiced about this view Gaz I." Doesn't that suggest I said jaundiced in the first place? Or have you no concept whatsoever about quoting people and rebuffing their remarks?

As for your other point, well only one actually, your other nonsense is still nonsense, I don't know if we'd have bought in right away, regards Green I'd have been suspicious and when he followed through on what was more or less a template of what he did in Sheffield then it was a no-brainer but as for Whyte that some of you could buy into him so late in the day was downright bewildering.

05 Sep 2015 16:09:30
Gaz : Not as much nonsense as yours is and where you got this would we buy into in the first place eh? Didn't come from me I don't think! Bewildering eh?

05 Sep 2015 16:11:07
Funnily enough Gaz, me thinking it was you, well that is what is commonly known as a MISTAKE, ever come across this concept before?

05 Sep 2015 16:45:06
Funnily enough that was what is commonly known as a MISTAKE, familiar with that concept Gaz? As far as that bought in right away, don't recall typing that.
BEWILDERING eh? As for your last part, wait a minute, only part, actually, we'll see my last answer and as for no brainier, Celtic fans will do well with that then.

05 Sep 2015 16:54:25
Scotjo "some of you" doesn't mean you personally, much as you may or may not want it to, all I implied was that even after going into administration some of you still backed Whyte, I know this because I argued with them in here. You however maybe picked it up wrong and therefore made your second mistake, you're consistent I'll give that. :)

05 Sep 2015 17:16:43
A bit like you then.

04 Sep 2015 05:22:53
Question for BIGWULL what happens if Ashley goes to court to ringfence his £5m loan??? will the board who you have stated on here many times will cover our losses step in again and pay MA. The happenings of the other day for me is a game changer because MA has MP as a guarantee but that asset is now in dispute. Over to you WULL

04 Sep 2015 07:12:42
ashley has no reason to rinfence his loan with some of the revelations that may turn up I think court will be the last thing on his mind the only grounds he could have to go to court would be if he was not getting his money from the retailing deal

04 Sep 2015 09:17:01
They may all have been too clever for their own good and believed they would all stand firm and together;
if MA or any of them think they can get their money back /ringfence or show some dubious agreement, the court should look at the law on preferential creditors and connected persons.
This will not be sorted until the criminal trial is over.

Wee thought.
what if plod balls up as they frequently do in cases like this and they are found not guilty or the case is abandoned?
8 dhims on the jury and they might well be found NG

04 Sep 2015 09:37:10
BigWill

I can think of 5million reason Ashley would want that ring fenced. The loan is secured on assets that the club may own. That's a breach of the loan conditions and would make the loan payable.

I know that "revelations that may turn up I think" could be damaging for Ashley, but there is no evidance that Ashley was involved in the Green switch what so ever. Just wishing something does not make it happen, or true.

04 Sep 2015 11:42:07
thedaddyo, yes you are correct there currently is no evidence that ashley was involved in the green swindle (sorry switch) well certainly not now. Wonder when police were involved at ashleys head office was it purely concerning retail agreement, who knows, however one thing is sure that when court case kicks off one of them will say plenty if they think it can help them.

04 Sep 2015 11:47:58
The daddy's. How can you say there is no evidence Ashley was not involved with the whole con job.have you seen the evidence,go on let us guys less in the know in on it how did they manage it,do tell from start to finish if you please ,please please ,tell us all,or better still away back to your bed,know all,

04 Sep 2015 14:35:40
He would have to prove we don't have the means to pay him back to get a court order wouldn't he?

I wonder if we will be due compensation back from the money that got robbed from us after the share issue? The crooks taking big bonuses etc

04 Sep 2015 20:29:56
My God the arrogance camoo. Tens of Millions got robbed from honest working folks Large & small businesses companies,Police& ambulances ,taxis,& the bloody face painter & Davie Wrirs Crystal Vase! Football Clubs such as Man City, Rapid Vienna, Dunfermline, Celtic, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tax,{ which everyone thought was a victory was just an appeal that was one!. RFC have admitted Guilt on 5 cases & guilty of the Wee Tax Case)So its what the figure owed is about.