Rangers Banter Archive October 04 2012

04 Oct 2012 20:48:27
I have been off line for a few days,
so just heard about Willie Henderson's
daughter, deepest condolences. Timalloy

How can anyone click disagree? Slime and puss

04 Oct 2012 17:53:01
Alright Eds, can someone please tell me where Rangers' problem with the SPL/SFA comes from?
I'm from Blackpool but have been working in Glasgow since 2008 and followed the whole saga loosely,, but it appears the SPL/SFA have tried to help Rangers where they can. According to rules Rangers should have had to reapply to Div3 along with non-league teams, but were pushed forward for readmission to SPL then Div1? The SFA are investigating if Rangers misused the EBT scheme, which if, IF, found guilty and they remove titles, then how can your fans argue with that? Responsible replies only please, all the best with the rebuilding.

NeilMac

Very sensible comment

04 Oct 2012 19:51:28
The SPL/SFA made a complete balls up of the whole fiasco. They only intention they had was to protect their revenue stream by parachuting Rangers into the SFL1 after kicking them out of the SPL due to chairmen of other SPL lacking backbone. This went spectacularly wrong when the SFL stuck an 'Integrity Spanner' into the works. The SFA/SPL then panicked and blackmailed Rangers/SFL into accepting the TV deal on their terms, otherwise they would make it difficult for Rangers to obtain an SFA License in the time allocated. The SFA might have had intentions to try and 'help' Rangers, but it back fired spectacularly and made the SFA/SPL appear to be nothing more than 'self centered' money grabbing vultures. That is the reason we have 'difficulties' with the SPL/SFA.

No arguments about where you are playing or titles being removed if found guilty then? Good.

We move on.

@2: Rangers weren't kicked out!

04 Oct 2012 20:34:45
@2- OP here, I understand your grievances, but I disagree that the other chairmen had no backbone. Yes they did want there fans wanted, but it would have been much easier for these businessmen to take one look at the projected losses they would and probably will incur and vote Rangers back in. I agree the SFA have made a huge mess, but Rangers are one of the 2 "breadwinners" for Scottish Football and to say it is a delicate situation is a vast understatement, feel they were trying to do what was best for the country, both SPL and SFA did their best to accomodate Rangers, they werent after YOUR money, just feel they were looking to keep a worldwide brand in the public eye to maintain already limited sponsorship to keep their game going.

NeilMac

The SFA legal tribunal led by Nimmo-Smith went incredulously lenient on Rangers by only giving a one year signing ban, after a period allowed to rebuild, instead of suspension. This was not an option in the SFA regulations and 'illegal' as declared by Lord Carloway on appeal.
The SFA has gone again incredibly lenient on McCoist and Green, for the worst, and dangerous outbursts by any Scottish football officials ever.
And lastly, today, again the SFA finds Green an impossible not proven, for statements made on camera which to anyone with a modicum of legal insight was clearly a wrong finding. Lawyers up and down the country are laughing and shaking their heads, knowing exactly what is going on.

HOW MANY TIMES FFS!!!!
you weren't kicked out of the spl, the rangers who play in the 3rd division are a new team, and therefore HAD to start at the bottom of the ladder....the spl and sfa are guilty of trying to force your new team through the divisions, but 99% of all other teams said NO!


taco

04 Oct 2012 21:42:58
Post 2. What rubbish. Break rules all over the shop and this is what happens. You got caught, everyone got fed up, now feel happy that you still have a game to watch. Although it might not be at Ibrox soon!!! Hah.

@ 2 did you expect to just walk away scot free thinking we are rangers we can do what we like ?? your club got its self into the mess of being liquidated your new club have no right to demand anything you should be grateful you got back in at any level and dont give us its not the fans fault it doesnt matter the club that your fans of will be liquidated of coarse the sfa and spl have to deal with it by striking a balance of punishment and look after scottish football financially its their job thats the way the world works

05 Oct 2012 01:43:50
I'll start with post @3 -
I have no problem with any of the punishments forthcoming to the Old Rangers, IF and its IF, proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt that they fiddled the EBT scheme or player dual contracts.

@4 and @7 - We are either a new team or not. Too many on both sides seem to chose we're a new team or not when it suits there agenda (especially when punishment is being banded about). My personal view is we are a new team, so stop trying to retrospectively punish us. End of.

@OP - We will have to agree to disagree on what the chairmen of other SPL clubs decided to do. As said the SFA may have been trying to 'do the best for Scottish football' but seriously after the debacle and animosity it has caused, it has made me think twice.

@6. Green plays to a certain element of our support, he is purely trying to ingratiate himself amongst our fans by telling them what they want to hear. I don't buy the vast majority of it, although i do fully support his stance to stand up and voice his opinions against ANYONE who he believes has an alternative agenda against the club. It always annoyed myself and no doubt lots of other Rangers fans that Murray was never more forthcoming when negative comments/stories etc were directed at the club. You seem to be another one of the East End brigade that has knowledge of what the rest of the Lawyers up and down the country are thinking, never realised so many Lawyers kept counsel with so many Celtic fans.

@8. Once again, which Rangers are u refering to? Break rules all over the shop? So far the previous Rangers only broke the 'not paying the taxes under Craig Whyte'. They have not been convicted of anything else. If they are, then they will be punished and as i've already said - so be it. The Rangers as they exist now have broken no rules. Hah.

@9. Yes the previous Rangers got themselves into their own mess. I don't blame anyone else, never have. You say we shouldn't demand anything - fair enough, then leave us alone and let us get on with it. The old club will soon be liquidated and maybe then, just maybe the bloodletting, by mainly Celtic fans (although not exclusively) will abate, but alas i doubt it, as elements within the Celtic fanbase are just as bigoted and hateful towards us now as they have always been, maybe even more so since we are still around in one form or another. If the boot was on the other foot, there are Rangers fans who would feel exactly the same.

The only people who say being found guilty of miss use of ebts would mean automatic loss of titles are celtic fans. sfa said its one of many options open to them, wish some people would realise that !!

In answer to the guy answering everyone do you think we should all roll over to please rangers , some day the real reason for you being so defensive will come to the top and i think it will be pure hatred of anything not rangers get a life and start being a bit more humble for the state rangers have left scottish football in , your if your not for us then your against us attitude does not wash with me, never has, never will

Taco - the SPL chairmen voted them out after they were blackmailed by their fans - were you living on the moon for 2 months? Also they are not a new club as proven when their share was transferred from SPL (after they were kicked out) to SFL. its the holding company that runs the club that is new. you clearly don't understand the differentiation between the business and footballing side of the sport ..... Mork calling orson !!!!

05 Oct 2012 12:16:48
@12. No i don't hate anything non Rangers - I have a life and friends who support clubs other than my own. The state of old Rangers HAS caused turmoil within Scottish Football and am quite sure all Rangers fans wish it never happened, but for elements like you to come here and blame Rangers for everything thats wrong with the state of Scottish Football is beyond the pale. If you think we should be humble and kowtow towards the hypocrits out there - think again. The footballing authorities haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with the handling of the old Rangers situation. Maybe if the clowns in charge at the SPL/SFA had got their act together and actually helped sort this mess out instead of listening to the voice of the vindictive keyboard critics out there who have no other agenda than punishing Rangers, then maybe we would not be in the mess we are now. Old Rangers IF found guilty of the charges against them, then they should and will be punished to the full extent of the rules, i have no problem with that.

@13: Rangers weren't in the league at the time of the vote - it was Club 12, remember? the vote was on whether to allow Rangers in so they weren't kicked out. And about the share - if it had been transferred to another club, would that club now be Rangers?

05 Oct 2012 16:00:12
@10: OP here

I'll agree to disagree with you but i'm interested to know what your take is on the actions of SPL chairmen?

If Rangers were willing to walk away from over £100m or whatever it was in debt and attempt to start afresh then it would have been morally wrong for chairmen to allow the new club to start in SPL rather than Div3, meaning that sporting integrity was indeed a major factor behind the final outcome.

NeilMac

Well said No11. Not many of our fans remind everyone of this. Stripping of titles is the only sanction septics want because of a bigoted jealousy. Fair-minded fans (not septic fans) would agree that the big wigs are at fault,not the fans and taking their titles is a step to much. Fine and ban the culprits is just another sanction of 19 available.

05 Oct 2012 18:56:25
@16. Hello OP. Rangers were only approx 24 million in debt with a possible 100 million debt (IF the EBT case goes against them) when they went bust. The SPL chairmen were given a tough choice I will give u that, they could listen to their (we will boycott buying season ticket) fans or vote to hang onto their financial guarantees that they already enjoyed. Tough one, but they then used the cliche 'sporting integrity' knowing full well they had to do what their fans demanded. It had very little to do with 'sporting integrity' other than appeasing the masses in their own ranks. Given the choice I really think they would have kept the status quo for their own financial interests.

First of all i think youll find it was your own mr green who said the decision has already been made not celtic fans and how can you say spl clubs gave into their fans demands no one louder than your own fans demanded 3rd and threatened boycotts to get their so how do you know they didnt cave in to your own fans demands ... fuzzy

@13...oh dearie, dearie me. before you try and come across as all knowing and educated on the entire spectrum of football as a business....explain this to me.....why did zombie rangers/oldco/whatever have a vote in whether sevco/newco were allowed in the spl??

their share was also transferred to dundee, hence why they are in the spl and not this new brand of rangers.

and please....drop the 'holding company' nonsense as if you know what you're talking about. under fifa and uefa regulations, the club is the company, and vice-versa...they are one entity, it's the rules, stop making up bs and trying to be the know it all you clearly aim to be


taco

04 Oct 2012 17:16:47
anyone know where you can buy one of the s.f.l irn bru balls ?

In poundland

04 Oct 2012 19:11:46
JJB's.....Damn too late.

04 Oct 2012 19:18:15
@1. You'll find them next to Lennon's Autobiography.

Was in the big rangers store today jjb glad to see it doing so well

Just hang around out side the stadiums players cant be bother crossing the road at throw ins to get it back ... fuzzy

Robin barr may be able to help you out lol doug t.s.o

04 Oct 2012 16:21:26
ICT at home in next round of league cup, great draw another ex player and self confessed fan bringing his team to Ibrox, next round here we come.

04 Oct 2012 19:19:24
Don't set yourself up for a fall, we ain't won the game yet.

04 Oct 2012 14:37:47
Well we are now finally going back to Hampden if we can keep standard we played against Motherwell , then Aberdeen semi and Celtic final hopfly with Temps Black Little and co all fit .... george

What about if we play to the standard of peterhead, annan, Berwick or queen of the south? Don't count your chickens till they are hatched, we have a long way to go before you can start to talk about league cup finals.

I would be wary of Inverness.They seem to be getting their game together and always have one good run per season.Bookies odds might be interesting............green jhedi

Thats a little bit arrogant, do you not believe? Give Butcher and the Caley jags a bit more respect. And yes, I am a gers fan.

You will go back to Hampden soon anyway. Queens Park away anyone?

Joeshmo1888

Lol Ive just remembered the newspaper headline the day after the Celpish got gubbed by Inverness. Supercaleygobalisticcelticareatraocious. 5-1 if i remember correctly. World beaters my a**e

04 Oct 2012 19:16:42
Think you are referring to a game 12 years ago where Celtic lost 3-1? absolutely shocking result yes, but how is that in anyway relevant to Celtic beating a Spartak team which costs a lot more than Celtic's on their own pitch?

04 Oct 2012 19:21:43
@5. Think it was 3-1.

Poster 5, it was 3-1 actually, I am a celtic fan and it was a funny headline thinking back, probably the best thing in the long run, Barnes got sacked, we ended up with Martin O'Neill and the road to liquidation started for our THEN main rivals

@5 QUEEN OF THE SOUTH!!!

@5; 5-1 really? get your facts right mate.Jeeze no wonder Glinty can con so many of you so easily............green jhedi

@10: if Green said that Lord Nimmo Smith had said the score in that game was 12-1 to Caley, then it would be taken as fact by many on here lol

04 Oct 2012 14:30:48
no need for boycott then.....
Home to Inverness..wonder how many home ties left in the hat for you???

04 Oct 2012 14:46:18
OP - awe, away and wipe your tears darling.

Perfect draw for us and one which puts to bed the conspiracy theorists from yesterday. Very very winnable match for Rangers!

BARNEY BEAR

Op well you know what a good handshake can do for you lol lol doug t.s.o

Number 1, Was Celtic not at home to raith and now st johnstone, what you talking about?

Does not matter now, LC semis at Hampden and this has always been a home tie for the mighty Rangers and their world class support, as we have played more times and won more trophy,s there than any team in the Sphell and that also includes our friends in the SFL WATP

@5: would that be the friends who refused to vote you into SFL1?

@5 Mighty Rangers. How you make that out, you have just been formed, is that not why you are in the division you are in ?
Tam

05 Oct 2012 02:05:30
@5. The SFL did the right thing not allowing Rangers into SFL1. This obviously irked the SPL/SFA who were trying to bribe the SFL with talk of league reconstructure provided they caved into the demands of the SPL/SFA. At least they kept their 'Integrity' - remember that word, many seem to have forgotten it very quickly.

04 Oct 2012 14:09:56
other rangers legion in the cup an home see rangers celtic final what ppl think

04 Oct 2012 13:18:38
am happy enough to keep the history, but not the debt. human nature. after all wasnt us that caused the debt so why shud we lose our history and trophys. the wrong people are being punished. murray and whyte shud pay not the fans

04 Oct 2012 12:12:55
I go to all home and away Rangers games and have done for years but I will NOT go to septic, d utd, aberdoon and some other Sphell grounds their chairman and supports vengeance against a fellow set of supporters has been disgusting I guess we r not welcome there anyway and certain teams are not welcome at Ibrox fact. oh I, and Clyde can also keep their away tickets I won't be there either

As pointed out by various others cast your mind back to when this fiasco started the fans of the spl clubs threatened to boycott their own clubs if their chairmen didn't vote Rangers out so if boycott is an acceptable means of protest for them to get their point across then it should be acceptable for us.

Lochaber Bear

For god,s sake will you quit bleating,im a celtic supporter i can say ranger,s ranger,s ranger,s there that was easy,you must beleive in the old testament ranger,s vengeance,pleague,s watp,your old bosse,s caused your problem,s no one else,yet you want to go on as if nothing happened,suck it up move on,rant over thank you for listening,garlar07

Can't believe the so called Football supportes still pouting on here about boycotting certain games our team needs us to back them whenever we can. We can't all get ther for reasons other than boycotts but should make the effort whoever we can. I am not going into the reasons why some people want to boycott it has been reported on here often enough. Some poeple can't be reasoned with, they can have their opinions
about who is to blame but to me the facts are there for all to see. Let's wise up and follow the Gers back to the top and forget the hatred and bigotry that dogs us. Follow, Follow.
Bobby

Aye clyde not voting for us to be in the league at all is even worse than being voted out of spl. we should never forgive them for that

If we get septic Instead of the 42 pound rip off for a ticket to Lego land why doesn't everyone spend 40 pound in rangers super store this way rangers get all the money

Agree op; They were all gonna boycott us first and as for that clyde mob they wanted us no more. Funny how septic fans are against bears boycotting. watp

What has Peter Lawell done thats so vengefull?

Joeshmo1888

OP it seems odd that you all love the SFL, love "the adventure" of coming back up, yet hate the teams that put you there, I would have thought thanks and gratitude were in order.

I think peter lawell is associated with a club that seems to be doing quite well in their league and cup competitions. The rangers fans would really be better of learning from him how to run a decent football club. The rangers fans idolised david murray to such an extent he still appears to be ball deep in them. They cant shout at murray or green so their jealousy makes them bitter towards lawell. Is it truly believable that peter lawell is responsible for all that has befallen rangers. As far as i can see peter lawell is doing and has done a fantastic job.

Joeshmo1888,did,nt you know he want,s the total demise of ranger,s even if it mean,s the death of scot,s football, the man is a monster,garlar07

Re:OP - smashing. You won't be missed. Now, you're free to retreat to the back garden to eat some worms.

OP Good that mean's a true Rangers supporter will get a seat instead of a kid on one,you probably been to ibrox once in your life.
Tam

@5 Legoland?.Instead of buying something at the SUPER STORE ! maybe you should think about saving the money to repair Ibrox.
Tam

04 Oct 2012 11:19:06
Celtic's principal shareholder has come out the woodwork, more or less praising our club and fans.Why now? Is he to be trusted?

Yes he also said the process leading us to the 3rd division was right, he only wants the big gates back in the SPL. Let's not pick up the bits of his statement that suits us
Bobby

Why are yous asking the question of Celtic and thier members if they can be trusted? With Murray white and now green I would think yous would be asking if you can trust ppl that run your own club. If you lose your next match what will cg be going in about the next day? More share holders, war chest, spl/sfa/guy down the street/everyone in football kicking yous or how about new kit deals that have seem to just gone quiet?
There is an old saying in fixing yourself before you fix the world(think its along the lines of that, or i just came up with something good lol). Use your heads and don't let them mind twist you anymore, then we all could get the corruption out of sfa and spl members so that Scottish football could once again be something to watch and fear.

04 Oct 2012 09:10:46
Is the cup draw televised today? Also what time is the draw?

The draw's at 2pm mate
don't think it on Tele

Caley Thistle at the brox.