Rangers Banter Archive March 02 2013

02 Mar 2013 18:16:33
listen guys and ladies the spl and sfa haven't finnished with us because to get their own back at Rangers they will do a league reconstruction like they have been saying and Rangers will still be playing the same teams as we have been playing this season so we will still be in the bottom league next season, that's how they will get back at Rangers.

FFS. If the re-construction goes ahead as the plan? And you are in the bottom league?! You will still be a division closer to top! If it doesn't change and you win the the league which is a stick on, then you are still a division closer to top. How hard is it?

That was getting done either way but one thing is sure with all the enemies you created with the spl sfa and fans around the country you better hope green, s word on the finances is 100% true because another liquidation and you have absolutely no chance of getting another licence

Not just down to SPL on reconstruction though. The sfl need to vote for it as well. Really don't know how the vote will go but it's really irrelevant Rangers will still be playing weak teams next season no matter what and will take the same length of time to get back to the SPL

To get their own back?! So trying to keep Rangers in the SPL after liquidation, then when that failed, trying to put them in SFL1, doesn't register as being helpful?

I don't think it will go ahead think the spl, sfa will bottle it and put it back till 2014/15 season only because of the fact their own rules state about giving so much notice on change! they will worry about rangers and any others in the scottish leagues and there will be some! taking it to cas and winning! it will cost a lot of money they don't have! mark.

Greens opposition to reconstruction is fake.

8-8-8 split means gers play bottom four of spl one year earlier, so season ticket money that year can be higher?

no reconstruct 4 years back to top, reconstruct 4 years back to top but year 3 allows chance to be in split with spl

4) remember how SPL chairmen slaughtered sfl chairmen when they voted not to allow rangers in to the first division. That alone shows it was for their own interests not rangers.

Blueice

Ffs post one don't u get it Rangers will still be playing the same teams as they are playing this season that's what the poster meant. that's how the spl and sfa will work it too f--k Rangers.

@ 8 do you hear the other teams complaining about playing the same teams? surly the teams that are their long term should be giving priority over a selfish " its only us that matter " club

@7: but they were trying to help Rangers, no mater what the motive behind it, so this idea that everyone was against Rangers is false.

N10 the spl never re alised how big an impact it would cause putting rangers into league 3 the spl clubs now realise the big mistake they made money wise just leave us be let us work our own way to top cheers

N8 and 9 you do now realise if league gets reconstructed rangers will go into the second league of 12 I would rather no construction leave us be but top league needs our money more than they are willing to admit to cheers

02 Mar 2013 17:01:04
ally says if you lost titles he would have walked away so its not really a victory after all is it? surely getting shot of ally would be worth sacrificing 5 titles but hay you got to take the good with the bad

There is not a manager in the world worth losing any titles for.

@ 1 then all the more reason to get shot of him then eh?

02 Mar 2013 15:39:01
Following lord nimmo smiths decision to recommend a fine for us for an administrative error I really can't understand why celtic, who used an ebt, DID NOT declare it for years, were told they didn't have a case to answer. Why? We were asked to hand over titles for using the same scheme. Why?

Will neil doncaster now resign from his position for incompetence?

Hopefully under the new league construction the spl is disbanded, and a new, competent system is put in place.

Celtic declared it when they stopped it, not years after.

Regan, Doncaster and Ogilvie really ought to do the honourable thing and resign then maybe we really can move on from this and get back to talking about the game on the field.

Can you show me anywhere in the LNS report where the words 'administrative error' appear. They don't, more MSM pandering and lying t the Zombie knucklerdraggers.

Brian Quinn pointed out it may cause problems down the line. Celtic cancelled it, paid all taxes due and the matter ended.

From SFA.
"SFA chief executive Stewart Regan has claimed any continuing debate over the Rangers payments issue would cause 'collateral damage' to the game. Speaking in Edinburgh today, Regan urged Scottish football to draw a line under the last 12 months and move on".
I still think Regan should go though,

Celtic declared it after they used it, not before/during as per spl rules.

I will happily show yoy were he continually refers to rangers fc being "owned and operated" by two different companies - same club

1 and 4, you're talking nonsense,
'Celtic confirmed that it established one EBT scheme in April 2005, which tv Scotland understands was for the benefit of the Brazilian midfielder Juninho Paulista. The scheme was worth £765,000 but the club did not declare the trust payment to the Scottish Football Association or the Scottish Premier League.

The payments made to the trust were declared in Celtic’s annual report for 2004/2005, but in 2008 the club became aware of an event giving rise to a potential tax liability which was subsequently paid after agreement with HMRC. '

Juninho left in 2005!

Usual tims bending the truth to suit themselves. 3 years after the event and only when they find out they might be in trouble.

@5) regan realises this fight is over and wants to sweep it under the carpet asap and hopefully save his own job. whether they admit it or not the majority of football supporters in scotland realise that both regan and doncaster have gone from one disaster to the next - the next being league reconstruction. I don't know if they will learn from this title stripping nonsense. Evidence such as "they cheated" & "it's no' fair" may be more than enough to convict a club in a SPL / SFA kangaroo court (and the press) but thankfully for us there are legal experts that can rip up this sort of evidence for toilet paper.

@8. At least Celtic admitted their mistake, came to an agreement with HMRC & repaid all taxes that were due. To the best of my knowledge Rangers haven't even started that process yet.

02 Mar 2013 12:54:47
i was looking at the spl accounts and low and be hold it says rangers where sold by the rangers football club plc to Rangers scotland goes to prove we are the same club
trueblue

If you look at the rangers accounts is says it was liquidated . its funny how you just ignore your own

Struggling to even convince yourself there trueblue!

Do you know what liquidation means if not look it up.

02 Mar 2013 18:23:50
If u's were the same club u would be liable for all the debt u's wrote off! your ignorance to the whole situation is unreal!

N4 we are still the same club its just a diffrent company that runs it as for debt the company that owed money died and everybody knows that yer debt dies with yae

@4. liquidation for the company we don't deny! but you can't liquidate a club! your ignorance is blinded by the dislike of all things rangers. look at it this way when tennents, magners, and blackthorns where bought by a new company did they stop being their respective brands and start a new? no! when rover went bust and got bought out and started making new cars did you once think of them as an imposter be honest no you never! its just the same for rangers only a club including yours its the fans the support not the paper work that's kept in some safe in a office so get real! not one rangers supporter welcomes your comments we know the truth! so does sky and any other broadcaster in the world do you think a few thousand celtic supporters will change that! if you do then my friend your a fool! mark.

So if it was the holding company then why did the administrators not just sell the shares in the club and allow it to continue as normal? but its funny when whyte sold the shares in arsenal did arsenal start in the bottom tear because a holding company that owned shares was in administration? no so why didn't they sell the shares in rangers in exactly the same way? because it was the club and holding companies are set up to protect the owner from the clubs debt

@6 if orginal Rangers FC then UEFA will enact 5-10 year banishment when you return to CL (just like 3 year bans for others for not paying salaries).

if you new club "The Rangers FC" then you can get to CL in just 5 years no additional punishment.

just make your minds up.

Quote " Malaga have been banned from all UEFA club competitions for one season due to outstanding debts. "

thier debts trivial in comparison to the £100million Rangers debts. so expect 5 year punishment in same club.

UEFA don't do legal. just sporting integrity

@8. give yer head a wobble please take your time and explain 100 million debt? i'm waiting! mark.

@8. oh and another thing as we all know by the resent flotation in newco you by shares in the company that own the club not the club its self how hard is it to understand keep digging! mark.

@8. Come on. Not even you believe that tripe. The debt was. never a debt just a very worse case scenario if every tax case was list and a large portion was fines and interest so to claim we owed 100 million is balls. If it makes you feel better well call it 200 or 300 mill. Or a billion anything to keep your hatred strong

02 Mar 2013 12:11:21
Why are figures like Ally McCoist saying Rangers were relegated? No wonder so many fans don't understand when those they look up to spout such obvious untruths.

Well lord nimmo smith, a legal expert, refers fo rangers fc as a club who has been owned and operated by two different companies.

So playing in the spl this season under 1 company, then relegated to division 3 for playing under a different company.

What is hard for you to grasp from that?

@1: there was no relegation. (New) Rangers weren't in any league and had to apply, so, if anything, were promoted from outwith the league system into it.

Please feel free to post evidence of relegation from SPL to D3.

What is hard for you to grasp from that?

OP. McCoist is mistaken, Rangers were not relegated, they had no licence to play anywhere - they applied and received a licence to play in SFL 3.

Rangers fc owned and operated by rfc2012 played in the spl last season. Rangers fc owned and operated by the rangers fc limited were demoted from spl.

So many bitter celtic fans. Same club, owned and operated by different companies

Its a simple concept that as liquidation finishes a club or as you say a business then it is like resigning from the league then new company applied to be reinstated into the league simple to most. or is it lol

@4: they weren't demoted! How many times? After liquidation, the club ceased to be in any league.

@4: It isn't just Celtic fans who don't buy the club and company nonsense.

No-one seems to have a decent answer when reminded about Green (and Traynor) stating categorically that the club would die upon liquidation. Why the change?

1903

1903. you yourself have pointed out on many posts that cg, traynor talk nothing but bull! but now the only thing you do believe out their mouths is something that goes against rangers as a club mmm wonder why? mark.

@8: can you find these posts of mine?

The point I was trying to make was that those associated with the club change their stories to suit. Why?

1903

@9. i'm sure the ed could help! so now your saying you do believe everything they say! mark.

@10: no, you're still missing the point. I'm not saying I believe everything they say at all (and neither should you). I'm saying why did the man who bought the club said it died on the failure of the CVA and liquidation, then changed his tune. Try to read the meaning of a post properly so I don't have to reply (twice) to help you.

And it's up to you to come up with evidence of my previous posts - the eds are busy enough.

1903

02 Mar 2013 10:16:31
Guys, since the new year we have won the big tax case, and retained our titles despite neil doncasters best efforts. In addition to that, lord nimmo smith, a legal professional, said that two different companes have "owned and operated" Rangers FC. Now that all this is behins us can we get back to talking about football, and who could come in and strenthen our squad this summer

Well said bud I think we should go for andrew shinne tom hatley a new striker and two new cb
trueblue

Sorry mate but this story has not yet ended.

Ok let's talk football, mccoist still should go he's not got it.

Bhoy here, I honestly think if The Ranger's have to play in the League of 18 next year, you should get rid of the players like Black Sandaza, clear the wage bill, and get the youngsters scrapping it out in Division 2-3, when you get back to SPL, dumb them lol, seriously they'll get the job done, they know how lower League football is, they'll be playing full time with a good wage, could even find great talent. Just my Opinion but I have to say Ally is not a Manager so if you want to succeed you have to get rid of him.

02 Mar 2013 07:10:24
Not really a rumour but just my thinking, does everyone else think rangers will be left alone to climb the divisions without any vitimistion from spl/hmrc etc?

Who cares. As long as CG does his job properly we will be well run and an asset to Scottish football. The haters can cry and paddy (no pun intended) all they want, we aren't going anywhere. CheltBlue. ps. if fans groups are preparing to boycott SPL games why did they start 6 months ago? lool.

If spl clubs boycott their own teams then some of them will be close to breaking point

02 Mar 2013 14:03:43
i here all this we will go to war we will fight, for the last time it is only a game of football. go to war the ones I see at the games, you would have to put a nappy on them, OLD BOB

N2 a lott of the spl teams are strugling so without reconstruction a few of them won't see the next season through thus the mad rush for reconstruction cheers

@4: many Rangers fans said that there would be SPL clubs that wouldn't see Christmas, let alone reconstruction. What happened?

@5. I don't think two or three will see out another season! oh and fans on here where saying that before the sphell blackmailed rangers out of their tv money to hold them up! mark.