02 Jan 2014 23:21:13
Happy New year everyone, very annoyed at the amount of people attending the games at dunfermline and Airdrie, when's the boycotts starting? Why are people posting on here miller and Boyd are signing? I thought the wage bill was getting slashed not increased?
Happy New Year to you Sweep.
Sweep, there won't be a boycott mate. The last two years should have shown you that. Unless Ally or some equally influential Ranger leads the protest the majority of fans will continue to forget what they were angry about as the smoke and mirrors charm offensive has begun. Never mind Stockbridge, Irvine, deeds etc it'll just be Miller this, wee Novo that etc etc. You're wasting your time looking for a united front on here mate.
@OP, I am afraid Baybear is right. Until we as a collective group stand up together this will continue to be the case. If we go into Admin or worse again, then we only have ourselves to blame
{Ed039's Note - If you boycott games then Admin will be the only way, listen to yourselves, you are saying if we keep supporting the team we will go into admin or worse, so tell me how a boycott benefits then?)
Rangers will try and reduce the wage bill however that doesn't mean no one will come in. Doubt Boyd or Miller will rejoin as this isn't the way to go. As for who leaves it's all very well talking about Templeton, Shiels and Cribari but who is going to match their wages? Only really see Wallace interesting anyone but at what price? Will be very interesting to see what happens with Wallace if a bid of £1m comes in. Selling Wallace May be the catalyst for a boycott however I doubt this will happen as the likelihood of admin is a distinct possibility and surely no Rangers fan wants that again
{Ed039's Note - Notts Forest have a keen interest in Wallace and the fee being quoted is £1m plus add ons. Dean Shiels is very likely on his way. Cribari would be gone already if he agreed to terminate his deal but we can only assume that he would want it paid up)
True enough Ed. I was mearly pointing out that you can't start a movement or gauge the majority opinion on here as past seasons have proved. The time for this sort of action passed us by and we are now 'over a barrel' so to speak. I just can't bring myself to support a regime who are yet to prove themselves to me but I won't be making any rallying calls to others on here. It's up to the individual to do what they see fit. I just hope this 'new'board are able to convince me I'm wrong in my stay away stance, I doubt it though. After being shafted on more than one occasion I feel the ball is firmly in their court to do the convincing. As a loyal supporter of 30 years I have nothing to prove to them. Time will tell but so far all I'm seeing is the status quo resuming a bit earlier than usual for the renewal run in. They needn't worry, the continued contempt for all things Rangers from others will ensure that our siege mentality dictates our overwhelming numbers on renewal day. I just don't like being treated like a gullible whore with her breeks roon her ankles.
{Ed039's Note - I am not supporting a regime Baybear, but when that teams crosses the white line I will support it no matter what reservations I have about who is in the boardroom, who is in the dugout or the quality of player in possesion of the shirt. We are all entitled to our opinion but some of these opinions are going to drag us down a route that I personally wouldnt like to see us go down, ie my own opinion)
Ed who would be interested in Shiels? Only Celtic in Scotland could match his wages and it's obvious that ain't going to happen. He also didn't do particularly well in England so I would be surprised if anyone comes in for him. Cribari is entitled to ask for his money to leave and again what team would come in for him? £1m for Wallace is a false economy as in a few years time his value will rise and selling him would show fans that a team isn't getting built to even challenge for top 6 in top league and will seriously hinder even getting out of the championship. The signing policy has been irresponsible under Ally and it looks like we could be stuck with a lot of duds
{Ed039's Note - Of course Cribari is entitled to be asked to be paid up, I would do the exact same thing in his position. I think Shiels might go somewhere for less money or try his hand abroad, say MLS or so, personally I would like him to stay because he is a creative influence and we need that. I mentioned a few weeks back that I wouldnt sell Wallace for £1m but received posts ridiculing me, but at the end of the day, if the club needs a cash injection NOW, then he is only worth what someone is willing to pay for him)
And I respect your right to that opinion Ed. It's totally down to how the individual feels about the situation. I just can't get up for supporting this team of McCoists when I feel aggrieved by the reasons behind them being signed in the first place. It would be hypocritical of me to support this team given my clear feelings. I won't denounce anyone else who supports McCoist or his team though. I just hope the eventual end game suits us all and we can all get back to supporting a Rangers to be proud of. As I've said many times before, it's nothing to do with player quality or winning every game for me. It's about honesty, integrity and hard work. If we were a team of home grown youngsters who were working hard but struggling I'd still be going to games. As it stands I feel we have bought our way to this title so far and that shows me we've learned nothing from our failings of the past. I won't support that. Just an opinion though.
{Ed039's Note - fair one mate)
Ed some fair points and I would agree about Shiels he is probably the most creative player we have but mostly due to injury we haven't seen the best if him. As for Wallace I think it's likely a bid of £1m will see him go which to me would show the short term outlook by the board.
{Ed039's Note - 100% agreed)
Cant believe this boycott crap is being spoke about. support the Team,
Agree support the team, but that doesn't mean we have to buy our season tickets. If we pay per game that is supporting our team is it not? that way we are not funding any spivs wages etc? pay for view and then we will see how much money is left at every home game? then balance the books to suit?or do they need the money up front to keep us going? in which case the ball is indeeed "burst" because we are living n the "never, never" as in the past? surely not again I thought we had learnt that lesson?
Sweep1,
Why are you annoyed at what others choose to do? If I were you, I would not worry myself over things you can't influence. Have your opinion, but let others have theirs too. Can't keep everyone happy.
OP I also do not agree with boycotts but if a fan or fans group want to do so that's fine. Not for me though if they play in our teams colours it is in my dna to support them. "Your part of the problem then mate- your keeping them in power" We are all part of the problem because we don't own enough shares. Boycott and the club goes into Admin 2- NOT A GOOD IDEA- hugely damaging to any remnants of prestige never mind innocent people again suffering and hold on to your hat for "special" sanctions.
What is clear is that some players will leave this month and it probably won't be the guys we would have chosen.
A wee reminder in this weeks papers of how we got into this mess Alan Mcgregor's £26K per week- ffs £1. 35Million a year! Moshni gets booked then red carded and we are going to play one of our worst ever right backs as a centre half. We have a custom made specialist centre half in Gasparato but he is out on loan.
A time for good management please Mr McCoist and the above temporary solution is not good management nor is an ultra defensive substitution with a few minutes left in a game.
Nbear2, we made the same substitution on Monday against Dunfermline and scored within minutes then went on to score again so it wasnt that negative.
George here happy new year
To Baybear, Stewie and Ed plus any people prepared to listen to both sides of our fans and understand both opinions.
I personally feel that a boycott is one of the only ways to get this board to listen but I do not want to see my team Rangers affected on the pitch as firstly this is not their fault and secondly I really cannot deal with our own internal struggles allowing celtic to laugh at us and possibly win 10 in a row by default.
We have to organise a system of protest that makes the board react and more importantly the financial powerbrokers that have kept them there.
Right now the only way to do that if by unifying the support in actions against the board and not the team
I honestly feel that action AFTER we see no change in the financial development is the only thing we can do a boycott will not get rid of crooks it will only serve for them to use it as an excuse to cover up their lack of ability in the boardroom and much worse as a reason to sell or remortgage Ibrox to make up for losses incurred by a boycott WE CANNOT WIN WITH A BOYCOTT IF THEIR ARE DETERMINED TO MILK RANGERS OF MONEY.
What action we take can be simply organised if we are UNITED as a support.
45000 fans outside the ground or more importantly sitting IN the ground after a game would have much more effect than any boycott.
Not saying that is the only option but it is the only one I personally can think of that affects the board and not the team
george
George
Totally agree with your post. If 45000 stood on Edminston Drive and not go in to the stadium, the shareholders would soon act to provide the changes, transparency and answers the fans are asking for.
It would take no more than 3 home games if we have the b*****ks to see it out.
Remember what we have asked for over the last two seasons is not difficult for the board to provide but for some reason they choose not to.
The Ed is right in that boycott over a sustained period will be very damaging to the club and clearly we would not want this but we have to do something.
I have made my decision and finally arrived exactly where Baybear is on all things Rangers.
When it comes down to it at season ticket renewal time I will likely shell out again against my better judgement because yet again we will have the gun put to our heads and it will be about Rangers survival.
@14 the problem is that not all Rangers fans are against the board, also do you really expect fans that go to the games with their kids will want to stand outside the ground and not go in? I agree with the principle but the reality is that it ain't going to happen. The only way I can see something working is by a season ticket boycott but that could have dire consequences for the club
@15 I understand that not all fans agree with my views but yes I do expect the fans to turn up and not take their kids in to the ground if neccessary. This is not a great hardship and if explained to the kids why, they will understand the importance of the action. Alternatively don't take the kids to a game they will not see if it is a concern.
I agree that the reality is that it is very unlikely to happen but only because we collectively choose not to to take some form of action which would have a real effect. This is just one suggestion.
I would not support a season ticket boycott but will again think seriously at renewal time. Today we still have the opportunity to influence what we will be paying for when the season books are renewed and be able to say at least we tried to do something. If we don't and things go as bad as some people think, then the fans will be responsible for the demise of the club this time.