Rangers Banter Archive February 29 2012
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29 Feb 2012 23:28:17
Bears,
Some of you guys are embarrassing our club. Listen, if there is any money in London it has came from the Ticketus money. Ok, some guys are saying we may not need to pay Ticketus, but we are chasing their money. We have already had the loyds debt paid. (Ticketus money)Please stop posting this stuff, or if you do thin k before you type. We are starting to sound like a group of NEDS trying to bump the provvy man!
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With decent fans like you (and a few others on here) theres hope for your club yet.i honestly think you are being decieved by whytes tame admin team.good luck to you and all decent gers fans.........green jhedi
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29 Feb 2012 23:26:00
wood like to know what the rangers fans think about whats is going on at dunfermline ? because its basically rangers fault by not paying them money that they are due yet they have they brass neck to complain about celtic not paying ticket money early for the next old firm game its a disgrace
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How the f@ck can we help when were in the middle of a slow train crash ffs
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If it takes Rangers not paying for one games ticket money that they would not even have if Rangers fans didn't travel in their thousands then that blows the argument that Scottish Football does not need us!
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It doesnt blow the argument out of the water...it blows Dunfermlines budget out of the water!...Next year without Rangers they will adjust their budget and cashflow accordingly...how does anyone in DIV 1, DIV 2 or DIV 3 live without Rangers and Celtic...answer...they live within their means, if the money is not there they dont spend it...Rangers could learn a lot from their business model.
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29 Feb 2012 23:24:55
just sayin when mr taxmans done with us he might find some unpaid tax from celtic there has been nothing sayin that they havnt done it so celtic could be the taxmans next target
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Pathetic! how would that help you? dream on mate celtic had REAL financial muscle to make sure we are in great shape.it's posters like you who give decent rangers fans a bad name.............green jhedi
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Yes and u deny this cos ur a celtic fan
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@AndyBrar98;deny what exactly?so because your club is a shambles that means our is? wonderfull logic there.........green jhedi
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I have to agree with jhedi, id love to be in a position they are run, so lets get real on this we are making ourselves look as bad as whyte when we say p1sh like this.... craig+babybear
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29 Feb 2012 23:06:37
As a lifelong Rangers fan, I feel like a
German who is scared of sausages........
I fear the WURST!
Seriously though, all of Mr Whyte actions
thus far have led us to, almost the
point of no return. We have been set
up bigtime and I can't see a logical
survival plan.
This is working out perfectly for
someone.........but who and why?
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I agree with most of ur post but lay off the sausage jokes they are shocking... who has got to be whyte unless santa comes early and brings megamoney with them........
craig+babybear
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Felt this from day one brother hope were shafting someone,fear were being shafteed
so whats it to be
were in such a bad state that no one can come in for us,ticketus,side letters, Whyte
so it looks as if this was ment to be it was organised a while ago....we cant change it so stand back and watch the slow train crash Murray has shafted his people
dont get to upset with the messanger Whyte he,s here to do his duty
we were f@cked a while ago
stay calm and wait for orders.....les
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29 Feb 2012 22:56:36
their is no chance of coming out of admin till result of big tax case so will all have to wait and then its d-day
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29 Feb 2012 22:10:45
i for one think the info coming out of our club from administraters aint very good we havent herd anything for a while now they need come clean an tell us the truth about our club before its to late a think our club is heading for liqudation
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Hmmmm... "our club" 3 times. Doom and gloom message. I - smell - timmy... Why are you so un-interested in your own club? Are they really that dull? Or do you just prefer our tops or what?
BB
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@BB;the most ironic thing about the "timmy" stuff is if you had listened to "timmy" you might not be in such a mess.the "whyte knight" had you all fooled,now people are losing jobs,you owe clubs money,whyte is selling anything that isnt screwed down and you are staring at liquidation.dear,dear,will you ever learn?..........green jhedi
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Why do celtic fans keep saying 'you should have listened to us'? as if we signed the document allowing whyte to take over and when whyte was taking over yous were only slagging him off cos yous had the fear of us having the same spending power! a say power your transfer warchest will prob be 2 mill to replace bangura the worderkid, anyway.... Celtic fans knew less than us about whyte its just by chance that he has turned out to be a crook(pretty good one) and stop this 'criminals, cheating the country out of money' half the parkhead loyalists only pay N.I cos they sign on..
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Faulds rfc; two sources pointed out 18 months ago he was dodgy,you might have been able to pressure murray if you knew more.the sign on bit says more about you than anything.............green jhedi
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FauldsRFC... Well said. The Celtic "tax guru's" were never going to say well done boys for finding a new buyer. A Saudi shiek could have bought us and they would have said it was to find oil under Ibrox... jhedi, you were always going to be negative in your comments, it's the nature of the Old Firm beast, and nothing to do with a sudden rise in East end intelligence levels...
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29 Feb 2012 21:41:55
What was that muppet talking about? Release Naisy and Laff cause they are injured! Naisy will fetch alot of money for the club wen he's back next season and Laff will be worth a couple of million wen he's fit. Think we should keep a hold of our prized assets and sell them at the end of the season or January for Naisy.
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Right on naisy. Sclafrty never signed a new deal though did he? he'll be worth buttons, will be on decent money and if there's anything in this talk of more money due to burnley will be off pronto. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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29 Feb 2012 20:58:09
Just a reminder to the Celtic fans .when we head to ibrox please remember .Do not buy drinks pies anything
He who bumped the pie man deserves to get bumped
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That's about right, need to get a message to Ceptic fans, put it on the champions page... Work that out, eh?
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You will not be saying that word Champions for many a year haha
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You have not said it for many a year hoho
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You better tell that to kris commons then poor bugger was getting his hopes up............. craig+babybear ha ha dont buy pies this is fantastic,
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He has put this message on our page because they are always on our page we will be back stronger than ever so they can have there title or next couple years we will be champions again
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Thought rangers sold the catering? So celtic fans want to deprive someone else of a job?
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Division 3 champions if whytey gets his way..............green jhedi
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What pies?? fat sallys eaten all the pies. Mind the chasm. MMI2009
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29 Feb 2012 20:18:09
Just a wee bit confused why the Celtic board do not want to pay upfront for the tickets at ibrox. If they think they can thrive without Rangers and the majority of Celtic fans also say they don't need Rangers, we should keep the 7000 tickets and sell them to bears fans. We can keep the money in our club and Celtic and their fans can have a taste of what they are all wishing for.
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1. You can't sell them to your fans as away clubs are due an allowance.
2. Celtic will pay up front, just not a month in advance. It is possible Rangers might not exist by the 26th - slim chance but possible.
3. Stop believing the Record and the trouble it's trying to cause just to sell copy.
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Think there's something in SPL rules about ticket numbers for away support. We would have to give them the minimum which is the away supports corner between the Broomloan and Govan holds about one thousand. Let Rangers fans buy the tickets, sure many would pay now for a ticket and give the club much needed revenue
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Have you spoken to the majority of Celtic fans?
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Ill tell you why Celtic are not willing to pay the money upfront with Rangers as was agreed before the last old firm game. When the agreement was made Rangers were not in administration so therefore Celtic have every right to not to pay up. Peter Lawell simply doesnt want to see Celtic fans out of pocket. We pay up in advance then uz go bust before the game and we dont get our 42 quid back.
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Because rangers are operating on a day to day basis mate, there might not be a rangers to take to the field. Celtic are not prepared to part with cash for a product they may not receive.business is in no small part down to risk management and as our club is ran well I will trust their judgement. Why should we pay so far in advance? 3-4 Weeks before is unheard of and the administrators asked Celtic to pay which suggests the money is needed very badly just now to tide you over. If that 300k goes before then the game does not take place as you have nothing to operate with. Celtic will not allow themselves to be used by anyone,rangers included. If only previous boards in govan considered their fans th?
Jamie Mac(can't believe some are calling Celtic down for using both business and common sense)
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Totally right, Jamie Mac. Too many Rangers fans reacting to the sensationalist nonsense in certain papers. If the shoe was on the other foot and Celtic were in financial meltdown, would Rangers fans be happy if their club was paying so far in advance if there was a chance of the club in receipt of the cash could go under?
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As anyone noticed either Rangers or Celtic have made any comments about the subject, its just the Daily Record stirring things up.
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Correct, the above poster. Why would any businessman give a rival business in administration, with the possibility of liquidation, £300k in advance. Ask yourself that very question?
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Das Shadow
spot on there
not one comment from either club to confirm this rag hack nugget was correct
and who wrote it
Keef wealth off the radar warchest jackson
Lubo25
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Cheers Lubo 25, the only thing I've been happy about with The Record was breaking the ticketus story.
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29 Feb 2012 20:46:52
craig sh*te said rangers would be out of administration by next pay day, at least he told the truth, what he forgot to add was, we will be in liquidation by then. and he ends up a rich man, has this guy got no shame at all?
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29 Feb 2012 18:30:46
Who else is starting to think we'll still be in administration start of next season.
Das Shadow
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Or maybe much longer as there'll no doubt be lengthy negotiations for the takeover if there is a lot of interest.
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Certainly is whytes plan to keep us in admin as he has no plan to release the club, assets or the money without a big payoff therefore we will be starting the new season -10 points and giving celtic another clear run at champions league money. If this is the case ( and am sure celtic board are rubbing there hands and planning for it ) then celtic would just spend to suit and possibly get an extended run in europe making 20 million plus and after that who would bet against 3-4 in a row for them when they have the revenue to spend on players? That surely should be enough reason to try and give conman and fraudster whyte the boot as soon as possible and let him know in the strongest terms he is not welcome anywhere near Ibrox. Scott
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Can't see it myself. We'll either have been liquidated or have a new owner/consortium by then.
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I wouldn't be looking to put a time scale on leaving admin,would just be hoping to leave it at some,point.
With the tickets, merchandise and catering profits being owned by other companies, where can rangers produce income? Add to this no European revenue and the already existing debt which will be larger after the findings of the tax case, where can an escape route come from?
I think you're looking at 100m,obviously this will be negotiated down but if you have next to no income how can you manage the repayments, however little they may be? If this is manageable you do realise that Whyte would still own rangers and you will have to trust his people to pay the bills this time around.
Jamie Mac(decisive action? Probably too late)
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29 Feb 2012 17:27:19
Got a letter today from Duff and Phelps telling me they have been appointed administrators of the club - glad to see they are totally on the ball! Does anyone else think their is any truth in what D King was saying last night on clyde superscoreboard - that he feels that they are acting in the best interests of Craig Whyte. If they are looking after Craig Whytes interests, HMRC are looking after theirs and all the other creditors are looking after their interest - Who is looking after the interests of Rangers Football Club? Just feel our great club is coming second everytime all these people who have allowed this to happen
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29 Feb 2012 16:35:36
ally mccoist will always be a legend, he is a true winner, a fan and a honest, sincere bear... what a player super ally was, he is a true rangers legend and when we come back stronger he is the only man for the job... well done ally haang in there buddy the bluebells are starting to flower... check out supper ally (great goal at 7mins 30secs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dbFgWa1pmw
jsm
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Well said mrs mccoist...........green jhedi
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The number 9 jersey should be retired and never worn by any rangers player ever again... mccoist will always be the only player worthy of wearing number 9... jsm
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Ally was a great player and legend, but good manager I think not!!
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I totally agree with number 9 shouldnt be used again so the rangers v ac milan ally mcoist should were the number then that should then it should be held as mcoist to be the last one to were number 9
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Spent half his time warming the bench behind Hately and Johnston.
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If he scored that many goals being on the bench he was a better player than we thought what a bad post that is its the worst post i ave seen from anybody an that includes timalloy an the rest
TB
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Souness was gonna sell him to aberdeen. artybhoy
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Aye, he fought back from that and he'll fight on for Rangers through this till we are back on top!
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@BB; you think ally can carry on till he's 80?...........green jhedi
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29 Feb 2012 16:20:17
Note to all timmy who keep saying you owe ticketus money so pay them.
Rangers dont Craig Whyte does.
He said he'd pay off lloyds from his own funding. His funding was done incorrectly pawning something he doesnt own
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Right boys I'm getting confused... I thought we owe them season tickets (or just seats if they get boycott)... Am I not right in thinking it WASN'T a loan so if it's not a loan then how can we owe them money? Fair chance I'm wrong coz I do confuse myself most of the time , can you help ed?
PaulRFC
Ps... I thought ticketus owned 3rys of tickets for them alone to sell
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Rangers is his insurance, they bought Rangers tickets, as one of his companies he can move around debts if u come out of admin
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I would be more worried bout things than only to try to correct Timmy. Facts remain your debt sat at around 34m in 2007 but in 2011 it has fallen by almost half to 18 m. You have been forced into admin for an amount smaller than this.. Before any of you say the admin was voluntary, yes it was but the tax man was ready to petition for it himself. Whyte forced the admin so as to be able to choose his own administrators,what does this mean? I'm not sure but what I do know is that every other decision Whyte has made has not had your clubs interests at the top o the pile,far from it
Jamie Mac(thinks rangers have bigger fish to fry than correcting Timmy, after all is said and done)
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If the ticketus deal is void, you owe ticketus 24 million quid. They will have a personal guarantee from Craig whyte, who in turn now owns rangers, are you really so stupid that you think you can walk away scot free. Also, the contract with them was drafted in terms of English law, not scots law as the administrators hoped
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Experts now in English Law are yous now.You wee timmy experts on this site never fail to amaze us.
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29 Feb 2012 16:04:46
If we release young players do we still get the training compensation when they sign for another club?
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No, because they are not signing from Rangers.
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So how rangers owe aberdeen money for aluko then? He wasn't with aberdeen.
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But wot about aluko he left Aberdeen months before he signed for us and they still claimed the money
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Aluko never signed for anybody thats why rangers were liable.........green jhedi
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29 Feb 2012 16:13:58
is it just me, or do you think the DR are starting to fan the flames for the old firm game with their headlines regarding the ticket money advance?
for them to publish the same article 2 days running, without quotes from anyone within rangers or celtic, and using terms like 'reneged on a verbal agreement', that says to me they have no basis or foundation, or facts as to what has been said, or is going on.
the truth is, Celtic were paid 5 DAYS in advance for the game at parkhead, and if any agreement was made between the clubs for celtic to do the same, then they will also pay within 1 week of the game at ibrox. why should they stump up a whole month before the game takes place? if rangers need £300k so desperately, that tells me that the club won't even survive till the end of THIS week.
it's absolute garbage, and just like the controversial 'who is more hated at ibrox' headline, what the DR are doing is pandering to the idiots, and stoking the fire for what already is looking to be a very emotional game.
shame on the DR, and shame on the authorities for not taking them to task over this
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Think they are trying to fan the flames just like they have went after Rangers and Craig Whyte without mercy in the last few weeks. I don't want any help from Celtic and certainly don't expect it we got ourselves into this and we will get ourselves out of it. I don't want Celtic to have any part in helping our club what so ever
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Wouldn't suprise me Taco anything to get a reaction from Old Firm fans.
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Dont agree with a lot of what you say Taco but your bang on this time, well said.
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Sadly we relish the thought of either club being in trouble or in the wrong. Then when some poor sod gets seriously hurt because somebody acts like a plonker because he is hyped up by the media they step back and claim "don't blame us". They load the cannons and wait for some bam to fire them then have a 5 page spread slaughtering the bam.wha's like us, Naebody.
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Loading the cannons exactly!
how many times have we seen provocative journalism like this, especially from the DR, in the build up to an OF game? you can be guaranteed before every one, there will be some sort of inflamatory spread about celtic or rangers, or they'll twist someones words, then sit back and watch it all blow up so that they can then point the finger and be 'disgusted' by the actions of a few morons. you only have to look at how it escalated with lennon last year, and when they are brought to task about it and have to issue an apology, it's stuck 5 pages from the back and about 1/2 inch high
absolutely sickens me. and to the un-named poster, i agree, they are going after rangers with a venom right now. if you were to read proper newspapers, half of the cr@p the DR comes up with doesn't even merit a mention
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Taco you talk some amount of garbage on here but this is the first thing iv agreed with. You have got it bang on
Lee
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Said pretty much the same thing further down the page, these rags incite the hatred then sit on the fence when it all kicks off!
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Folks, we all know the DR is no friend of Celtic or Rangers. They will shaft you guys to get a story and they'll shaft us if they think they'll get a bigger one. The business of Celtic and Rangers is football...the business of the DR is to sell papers no matter who they offend or upset.
HAIL HAIL
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Just one question, have Celtic taken the money from their fans for the OF game ie sold the tickets?
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Well said taco (for once) a sensible post
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''old firm fans in total agreement'' shocking exclusive.....read it in today's DR
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I don't know about the total agreement mate....it appears there is a DR 'hack' on this site lol!
just to say, tickets are not on sale for the OF game yet either, normally 2 weeks before the game is due before they go on sale, so to the un-named poster, no, Celtic haven't taken any money
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Is there not some way both sets of fans can bring the daily records inflammatory rubbish to the attention of the scottish Parliament?
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29 Feb 2012 15:07:55
What is the situation with the Lee Wallace transfer?
If you buy a sofa for example at DFS somewhere on the paperwork you will see the clause "All goods remain the property of DFS until paid in full"
I would imagine the same principle works when a player moves club. If Rangers cant pay the balance for the player will the transfer be null and void and the player returned to Hearts?
Something tells me something like this happened at Portsmouth however the Administrators moved the player on for a fee and settled the balance.
Anyone know the score with this?
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Great point,but you know fitba' contracts!.........green jhedi
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I think until Rangers pay Hearts in full I think Lee Wallace should be treated like a loan player. Hearts shud be able to request that he doesnt play against them.
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Ohhhh don't tell me that DFS are creditors too? That WOULD explain the rumour of officials taking pictures of everything last week. They were taking pictures of luxury 3pc suites in Ibrox. They were't taking pictures of the silverware, they were taking pictures of the cupboards they were in!
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Luxury 3 piece sofas craig whyte had them moved to an apartment in monaco theres just a few deck chairs now
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Buying a sofa is a finance lease where u dont own the item until you make the last payment or agree a purchase price, we own wallace hearts dont get their player back they have to get the money or nothing...
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29 Feb 2012 14:59:20
Cant believe Rangers fans having a go at Celtic over ticket money when you still owe Dumferline, Dundee Utd and Inverness money for match tickets!
Here is a novel idea, when the £300,000 arrives from Celtic in a couple of weeks time, why dont Rangers do the honourable thing and pay their debts to these clubs which they have cheated out of valuble revenue.
You lot are always banging on about acting with dignity, well here is a chance to prove it - pay your debts! No Didnt think so!
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Why don't you get with the times mate ! We heard all this yesterday or have you nothing else to say? Here's a novel idea , why don't you buy an read today's rags instead of stealing yesterday's out of your neighbours bin! Nah didn't think so !
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At least i can afford to buy a newspaper which is more than i can say for that shambles of a club you support!
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The payment of debt is at the administrators discretion i think,so it's out of rangers hands.you would hope the smaller clubs needs will be taken into consideration.......green jhedi
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Jehdi some guys stole your name mate ? Not sure how copyright works because he spelt it different! PaulRFC
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29 Feb 2012 14:31:40
Once we come out of administration or worst a new club in the doomsday scenario of liquidation does anyone agree that anyone involved in the whole ETB and everything else should be removed from the history of the club? by this I mean if Walter Smith had knowledge of illegal doings should his picture be removed from the marble staircase or if it goes back to the Souness era the same
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IF a new club is formed there will be no need to have their pictures there as they will have nothing to do with the "New"club,you will see them for sale on bargain hunt next year lol
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If we go into liquidation and form new club, we wont have to wipe anyone from history as there wont be any
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All history will be wiped should rangers start a newco following liquidation!
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29 Feb 2012 14:26:28
Ed any idea what's happening mate? Is there a press conference the day to tell us who's leaving i can't find a mention of it anywhere, you would think they would want the boys to no as early as poss, cheers!
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - sorry I don't, I have been busy finding out about Port Vale, who look almost certain to fold, unfortunately, unless there is a drastic change in their situation. But, and I do feel this is of interest, HMRC applied immediately for a winding up order in that case, not to put the club into administration. Which suggests it is felt that Rangers can come out of the other side.}
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HI ED, I DONT UNDERSTAND LOL.... could we have a break down analysis ofwhat your talking about in regards to whats going on at portvale and how that situation might be good for rangers ? {Ed001's Note - oh simple really mate, Port Vale are in trouble with back tax payments to HMRC, but in their case HMRC have looked at them and decided they have no chance of paying it back and gone to court for a winding up order. In other words to have the company wound up, which means either they get their money back or the company ceases to exist. In Rangers case, HMRC applied for administration, which means they still feel their is a good hope that the business can continue.}
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Thank you ed, well that sounds hopefull for us , feel for port vale though that is a shame on them. I hope for their fans an staff that they pull through, although it looks highly doubtfall
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I hope Port Vale survive as well, but it is looking less likely by the day.}
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Ed according to sky news local council putting 300,000 into port vale to give them a bit of time to solve there probs.ah the best port vale hope you come out the other side
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29 Feb 2012 13:34:08
i think you are bang on with the silence coming from ibrox ... everyday there is a picture of ally mccoist in the papers and as the weeks have went on he looks more and more confused and disturbed by what ever has been going on at ibrox .. my guess is that its a lot lot worse than people think or could imagine thus the long long silence ... you could be looking at the end of glasgow rangers as it is ( nobody would or could ever imagine that this is possible ) i am actually a season ticket holder at celtic park and before you think im on here gloating or anything i aint , i have diehard rangers pals , workmates and family who like you are asking the same questions ... i feel for the people who will lose their jobs , good hardworking people who have done nothing more than give 100% its not their fault.. questions are not being answered its time to come clean and explain to the rangers fans whats going on ... good luck
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Fair play mate , shame there ain't more like you!
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This is all very well but it is time rangers paid teams what is owed b4 asking other teams for money but thats not going 2 happen cause it is everyone else is 2 blame for the mess rangers r in try paying your debts and stop looking 2 blame all around u
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Good comments my friend - however its fairly obvious that there are at least 3 maybe 4 seperate investigations going on outwith the admistrators work. i'm sure legally they can't actually say anything at the moment - so you can ask all the questions you like, we won't hear anything until its time for the fat lady to do her stuff.
Unfortunately I think we're in for more revelations as the weeks go on!
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PaulRFC - you've just got to get in that we dig haven't you. A straight thank you would have done.
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THANK YOU! I mean it from the heart, can I Facebook ya, are you on the xbox? Can I send you a friend request? or you request me @ Clubb3r L4ng ! ;)
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Theres loads of celtic fans wishing rangers well me included, but its the media trying to stokes the flames of hatred and bigotry all in the name of selling papers, the non story about the 300k ticket money was a clear dig at celtic without quotes from either celtic or rangers, this in turn leads to a rage and anger settin into the observer, although most of can see through these rags, the few that take in these poor journalistic 'stories' are the very same ones that spout the bile come derby day! best of luck rangers
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29 Feb 2012 12:55:59
This is getting better and better by the day, rangers owe dundee utd approximately 100,000 yet the ask united to stump up cash for the next game at tannadice, honest to god you could not make this up,
hail hail
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Wrong. They have said to Utd that they will give them the majority of the cash for the game prior to the match, and the rest 72 hours after it.
They have not asked Utd to stump up cash for anything
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It's United who get the money at Tannadice not rangers so think about what your posting before you try to put the boot in. If it was the way you described i'm sure it would be taken off what was allready owed. Read below for proper details. Scoobs
Meanwhile, Dundee United have been told by administrators Duff and Phelps they will receive ticket money from the Rangers game at Tannadice on March 17.
Most of the cash will be paid before the SPL match on Tayside.
The balance will be cleared from the administrators’ bank account 72 hours later.
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So it looks like you could make it up?
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What about the money RAngers owe from the cup game at Castle Greyskull?
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Castle greyskull i like that alot coz its where he-man lives dumbass
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@TB;soon be where HMRC man lives..........green jhedi
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29 Feb 2012 12:40:57
Does any Rangers fan think their is anything positive about Craig Whyte or has it been one negative after another?
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That bird ya see him withs pretty tidy!
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What do you think? Come on you shouldn't even need to ask this.
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I think this is a positive, being in admin was somthing that had to happen , its been on the card for years, once and for all when its all over the dark cloud will be lifted and we can get on with concentrating on football
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Get real - WE HATE CRIAG WHYTE.
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29 Feb 2012 12:27:03
For GCUK and the other bears on here who seem to follow my posts, and
can even tell me what I posted months ago... Here are some questions...
Your saverangers is a good idea, but just how much money is CERTAIN to
come in, as RFc fans in past have promised money but not delivered.
Here is a suggestion from this tim.. at your home games, starting with
Hearts start collecting donations from fans as they enter ground, we will
then see how genuine your fans are. You all took a while, regarding seeing what Whyte is, but you seem to be falling into same trap again, as all the "saviours" being mentioned have their own colourful pasts, here is another wee suggestion, get a person in place with INTEGRITY (I know its a word alien to bears but look it up) Finally instead of trying to blame
everyone else for your problems, take a long hard look in the mirror
and see that all your problems, going back years were all caused by
RANGERS MINDED PEOPLE. Oh and just to prove my point, your own RSA trying to blame Celtic for the ticket cash, when your club owes about 4 clubs already is, well laughable. Remember too David Murray put wee airdrie out of business for just £30,000 so people remember how you
acted and now have no sympathy for your greedy club. Timalloy
PS when replying for once try and be civil with no name calling...
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I agree with you,good honest people could b out of jobs,money owed to other clubs could lead ti more,the fans have been cheated,but how any of the ibrox fans can still support the club when if this wasent their team would be outraged but it everyone elses fault,the honest fans paying their own money to support that should take good look @ thamselves
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Timalloy also read today the administrators have asked(wait for it)Dundee Utd if they can pay the bulk of the ticket money for the game at tannadice a day before the game and the rest 72hrs later, they are also going to ask Motherwell to do the same sort of deal, and they want us to pay weeks in advance and we are the lowlifes for not doing it(OH HOW IRONIC)MACCA
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Rangers fans going by posts i've seen think that "doing the moral thing" applys to every other club except Rangers , all they seem to debate is how to "get away" with paying their debts , if yous had any moral fibre you would be finding ways of paying what you owe , instead of leaving others out of pocket , answer me this , why would Celtic or any other club for that matter hand Rangers money for tickets in advance ? given recent developments and revelations it would be lunacy , there are no cast iron guarantees that Rangers will be around to fulfil these commitments .
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Tim your bitterness shines through even when you try to be sensible, after each sensible point you put a snide remark. Maybe the club need the money to pay the other clubs off? Its swings and roundabouts isnt it? Personally I dont do cash donations because no matter how well meaning a cause theres always bad people ready to profit. Any real donations should be saved until a proper, managed secure way to do so is in place. CheltBlue ps. your more septic peg than mystic meg ;)
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Timmaloy with the way things are at moment i dont think fans would trust a collection at ibrox as they wouldnt know where money is going at mo .dont know who to trust anymore .....bigt
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Why say try and be civil when your post is completely patronising, We really don't need to hear your suggestions and frankly don't care. Thanks but we all know how this mess came about. And if Airdrie we're put out off business for a meagre 30,000 then its obviously they had major underlying problems before this, Many factors closed the doors.
Get A Life Timalloy
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CheltBlue
Is there not a danger though that by the time a managed secure way is in place it could be too late. Create a bank account get Walter Smith to be the custodian
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Timalloy, are you a rangers or a Celtic supporter? You seem to be on here more than most, with a wealth of information at your fingertips I am curious to find out your leanings.
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Un-named poster the Walter Smith idea is quite good, unfortunately hes been too close to the situation. A group of ex players headed by (John Greig?) including former captains or legends might make a good patronage? CheltBlue
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29 Feb 2012 12:18:49
As a rangers supporter on a very low
wage I have been a season ticket
holder for several years. I am gutted
at what is going on at Rangers and
really do not know who to believe any
more Len.
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@Len; sadly your the in the demographic that suffer most.Hope you are watching your team in some form next season mate...........green jhedi
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Well said Green Jhedi, its supporters like
Len who are suffering the most
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29 Feb 2012 11:31:29
Back again with another queston.
Is it true that the new TV deal signed with ESPN and Sky had a clause in it that stated implementation of the deal was dependant on both Rangers and Celtic partcipating in the SPL? If so, I can't help wondering that such a clause was only put in place because at that time, people had gotten wind of what was about to come at Ibrox. Otherwise, it would be a pretty redundant clause to put into the contract, would it not?
Personally, whilst we fans outside the Old Firm have a lot of legitimate reasons to be slightly irked by the behaviour of both Rangers and Celtic at times, I would not like to envisage a future for Scottish football without a viable TV deal in place. Rangers should be punished, but I do genuinely feel sorry for the genuine fans whose only interest was to support the team and not partake in any of the nonsense outside of what takes place on the pitch. For them to be punished by the practices of those who ran the club into this position is frankly wrong.
Anyways, answers would as always be welcome and as a Motherwell fan, whatever happens, I just hope Rangers do not come knocking on our door for Stuart McCall. He's been a revelation for us with such a small squad.
Ajeno.
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It just goes to show you need the old firm to survive,as for being a bit peeved,
you should be thanking us or you would be just a part time club
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It is true that the current TV deal is dependent on Rangers and Celtic being there. I think the actual condition is that there is four OF games a year. So it may have been put in place to prevent league alterations but as it's turned out will hurt the other teams if Rangers go bust.
I agree with you about McCall, he has done a brilliant job with Motherwell and as a Rangers fan I kind of hope we do go knocking!
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There is no clause in the Sky/ESPN contract stipulating there must be Celtic/Rangers games - this is just a made up story!
If anyone has hard evidence to prove otherwise post a link to it!
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It was stated at the time there had to be 4 old firm games a season. But it was to do with the league changing to 14 or 16 teams and meaning only 2 old firm games a season. If this did happen then sky could walk away from the deal. Ed can you confirm this please. {Ed001's Note - yes, it was to do with the number of times teams played each other.}
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If you have evidence that says it doesnt post a link , id put my house on it sky will definately have a clause in it because what games are shown on sky and not espn..... yip youve guessed it
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There is no clause in the Sky/ESPN contract stipulating there must be Celtic/Rangers games - this is just a made up story!
If anyone has hard evidence to prove otherwise post a link to it!
I can't find a link to prove it but it is common knowledge. Can you prove there is no stipulation or is it just wishful thinking?
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That would be akin to match fixing. you can't guarantee teams will be in the same league, and if there is a clause like that in it, then all sorts of claims of corruption and match fixing would arise.
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Http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/21/spl-tv-deal-sky-espn
Reported in the Guardian...ok not Hard evidence...i couldnt get a copy of the signed agreement but the best i could do at short notice.
For whats its worth I dont think the SPL could sign up to a deal with protected Rangers and Celtics SPL status! Just my opinion though!
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Taco its bull neil doncaster ha come out amd said it are people stupid ? Sly aint interested in any other teams
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29 Feb 2012 10:35:33
you can not even afford to let the players go, you can not pay up their contracts. please bring the liquidiser, we have a club to disolve.
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Erm, we wouldn't need to pay of their contracts. they would be terminated. are you so concerned with pointless rants you let your fingers type before your small minded brain catches up
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29 Feb 2012 10:12:00
As i posted a few weeks ago, much to the disdain of many other bears, probably because they are either too ignorant to face the facts or are simply too blind to see whats going on. Let me re-cap
1. CW and DM knew what was happening ALL ALONG. DM needed a buyer who was willing toput Rangers into Admin admin. DM wouldn't do it because of his reputation (knighted) and his 20 year history
2. CW's plan, along with DM was to put the company into admin, but before hand he wasn't going to pay bills or buy players (hence the lack of signings).
3. CW was always going to go to Ticketus for the 18mil, Lloyds didn't care where the money came from, and DM allowed the deal to go through because him and CW knew that a large portion of that Ticketus debt will be wiped when in admin
4. Rangers will win the HMRC case but HRMC will appeal. The administrators will be able to move forward with clearing the "real" debt.
5. Rangers will NOT go into liquidation.
6. As soon as the HRMC case is decided, CW will sell Rangers. He will sell to a buyer who will be viewed as a "knight in shining armour".]
7. CW will make a pretty penny out of it, and will feel "victimised" by Rangers fans. This is the excuse for selling.
8. Rangers will continue to operate with a new sense of purpose and will begin to buy new players.
9. They will NOT be in Europe next season
10. Walter Smith will return to Rangers as the Director of Football (upstairs), but only once the new buyer completes the deal.
Some of you will disagree with what i have written but it you actually put the pieces together, you will soon see that everything that is happening was planned. No one, no matter how stupid they are would make SO many bad financial choices when buying a big company without some sort of fail safe to get out of it better than they went in.
Jamie
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You need to wake up and smell the coffee
Administrators are working towards one thing ..Liquidation Also incase you are unaware .David murray's own business is not going great {Ed001's Note - administrators will not ever work towards liquidation. Please don't comment on things clearly beyond your understanding, as you are obviously ignorant of the job an administrator does. Their job is to try and keep companies from being liquidated.}
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Rangers can't win tax case,Murray has admitted liability,to some extent,already. Why else would he have made an "offer" last January?
Dream on bud, the BBC is telling the truth
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@Jamie; Two weeks ago i would never have swallowed this.Now...could be true.The only stumbling block is the FSA who,im pretty sure, would think this is sharp practice.As you say the moves made by whyte in most cases seem stupid in the extreme,unless liquidation is the road he wants to follow.As preffered creditor that would suit him,using the "victimised" card to re-sell.I still think HMRC hold the aces in this case and he might also be playing in a high stakes poker game with them.The sad thing is the only people suffering and ultimately paying are rangers fans............green jhedi
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OK first off, i have first had experience with administrators and they DO NOT aim for liquidation, they aim for re-structure. So stop posting p**h.
To the second poster, the BBC NEVER tell the truth, so please, take that drivel elsewhere. The media's job is to sensationalise everything so that you click on their website or buy their newspaper.
What is going on is what "needed" to happen. If the "plan" above wasn't instigated and thought through, Rangers WOULD have definitely gone into liquidation.
CW, although a bit of a character, isn't stupid when it comes to business, he's just shrewd and will make his money any way he can. The administrators were with him when he took over, and they're with him at the end, why? Because it was already decided how it would play out to save Rangers and CW to make money...
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Jamie its what i thought at first its wobbled a bit over the last 2 weeks ,i,d even go as far as thats why there are very few big names on the tv ,there standing back watching waiting....who,s your knight...souness....les
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The BBC never tell the truth?#heidinthesand right enough lol . They never tell the truth but have been bang on the money with each claim they have made bout Whyte and his intentions. Pretty sure they also have breaking news on current affairs,politics etc etc but because they said bad things bout "the people" they arliars and incapable of telling the truth lol how desperate doyou sound?
Jamie Mac(pretty sure BBC tell the truth as far as possible,they have governing bodies too you know!!)
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Darrell king saying liquidation last night on radio ...But then rangers fans believed whyte had a plan ..Yous better believe he has one for himself ..when will yous ever learn ...THICK AS F**K
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Shouldnt stuff like this be on "Conspiracy Talk"? CheltBlue ps. they have some funny photos on there bears lol.
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For a start, an administrators job is to AVOID liquidation, that's what they are paid for, and if they take a company into liquidation, it's seen as a failure on their behalf, and a black mark on their record.
to Jamie, the BBC NEVER tell the truth? well, the entire expose on whytey boy turned out to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth! i can't believe you still think that whats coming out in the media is all lies...yes, some of it is sensationalist, but the vast majority is fact, albeit around 18 months late!
whytey boy THINKS he's smart, but he didn't reckon on this whole can of worms being opened before he had the chance to run away. any dreams he had of being the preferred creditor disappeared when it came to light that he had no money to start with, and now he's looking at a potential jail term rather than walking off into the sunset with a wedge
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29 Feb 2012 09:55:35
Morning ed I hear Whyte wants to show face back at ibrox does this man have no shame or is it a death wish he is on this guy has destroyed us {Ed001's Note - brave or stupid, you decide!}
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29 Feb 2012 09:38:16
I am not usually one for watching soap operas , but this rangers thing is great.
I am always on trying to keep upto date with everything lol and this is comedy gold.
anyway I digress , my point was how low can rangers sink, they are trying to bump ticketus ,hearts, dun utd, dunfemline, inverness , and rapid Vienna, so if that's how a club with "dignity" is run then you cam keep it, all you have to do is look over to the east and see how a football club is professionally run.
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Same club that was hours from going to the wall? You were saved by a shrewd businessman in a bunnet! Whereas we have been screwed by a crook!
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You really are a sad little man away and support your own club,you sure your no a bear in disguise, what about Kelly in the 60s you really have a short memory bet yoiu were for sacking Lennon when you could not beat an egg 4 mths ago parkhead half empty.stones and glass houses?
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Regardless of whatever happens with ticketus, they still owe them 24m.
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29 Feb 2012 09:10:43
reading on a couple of other bears sites that we have pocketed the monies for the strips we sold with poppies on thought it must be timmy at first but after i saw that we had confiscated the ac milan money not so sure if we have sunk this low sooner we go out of buisness and start again with fans on the board and claim back some of our honour and pride the better
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29 Feb 2012 08:19:46
My predictions for cull: definites: sclafrty (no loss there), healy, papac (unfortunately). Possibles: Alexander, broadfoot, bedoya, maybe goian- minimum sell-on value him and captain america clearly. Last one less likely I suppose. Edu too possibly just because of economics of situation. I'm sure ally wouldnae want to lose him though. If hutton can be recalled from dunfy is might have a bearing. I hope it's no all the young boys get chucked but I won't be holding my breath.
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29 Feb 2012 07:48:23
Yes I am a Tim and would rather resume normal hostilities than see Rangers liquidated. there will inevitably be player redundancies today and I for one hope Sone Aluko escapes the axe. He has already proven his loyalty to your club and has indeed staked the mortgage on it, He is also one of your best players and could be the difference between 2nd - 3rd place.
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I think Aluko will be away! He is only on a contract until the end of the season, with an option to extend which both parties have to agree. I have read there is interest from Ipswich, Derby and Watford. All who can give him a better deal.
Any player with a sell on value of any sort will be kept until the summer and then sold with youngsters or free transfers on lower wages coming in.
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29 Feb 2012 03:55:56
BREAKING NEWS:
Darrell King, Radio Clyde and The Daily Record are meeting with administrators later for crunch talks to tell them to stop pandering to Whyte and hand the administrators the cuts, pay-offs and restructuring they are to pursue.
It is now clear that King et al do actually know more than everybody else and the I formation peddled through various media outlets is, actually wholly accurate and unquestionable.
It is believed they plan to liquidate Rangers FC.
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So why would the Administraters meet with Darrel King The Daily Record and Radio Clyde? For.go away ya nutter.
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So darrell king ,radio clyde , daily record are going to meet admin to tell them how to do their job ha ha ha away and play on a motorway ya nugget what a stupid post
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Guys. He is clearly being sarcastic ! You can't see that ? Lol. Good post.
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29 Feb 2012 03:41:02
Duff and Phelps met with Ticketus lawyers and told them that under Scottish Law, because assets (season ticket income) was used to secure a loan by Whyte BEFORE the takeover took place, and that money was used to repay Lloyds, then they are on very thin ice. Ticketus Lawyers advised their clients of this, and then Ticketus responded directly to Duff and Phelps. In cases where legal firms have been appointed to a matter, it is usual that they would be the ones to respond, NOT their client. The thinking is that Ticketus lawyers can also see where Duff and Phelps are coming from, and have advised their clients that they are likely to lose any challege. Thats why Ticketus responded, and NOT their lawyers.
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Or they are confident of their own position and didnt need legal advice............green jhedi
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There does seem to be a strong possibility that Ticketus will get nothing back, from Rangers that is. There dealings will need to be with Whyte and good luck to them getting any money out of him.
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Green Jedi. What are you on ? It is a fact that the lawyers of Ticketus have met with Duff & Phelps on this matter. Are you suggesting that the Ticketus lawyers met with the administrators without having
taken instructions from their clients ? Lol. Too funny mate.
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Anon poster; what im saying is i find it really hard to believe ticketus would enter into a deal for that sort of cash with no security bond.i also think whyte is too clever to have put himself into a position of paying.ticketus met with the administrators why? because they see liquidation coming? there all inter linked with whyte the common thread between them...........green jhedi
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You have to realise that ticketus would have to have been given assurances or guarantees that whyte was going to take over, and the only person able to give those guarantees is murray.
ticketus have broken no rules here, they WILL get their money back
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29 Feb 2012 07:52:04
David murry and craig whyte are the pepole to blame they made the finial say on everything , craig whyte says he will be back at rangers a dont think so hes a coward and a born lier , us the fans should put money into rangers with a paul murry david king and 2 other pepole that invest in the club and they have the final say
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29 Feb 2012 01:52:10
It is getting really tiring reading some of the crap that is being said by Journalists abotu Rangers, liquidation and "knowing this" and "knowing that"...here's a MAJOR PIECE OF BREAKING NEWS....they don;t know what they claim to know...they have no inside knowledge of the administration process, what is going on and what kind of mess Rangers are really in....
The only time we will know for sure what is going on is when the Administrators come out adn tell everyone...until then, its all just guess work and bread crumbs.
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The press have sources the fans dont have.
The press never said in Craigy wee trust!
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Great post mate.
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29 Feb 2012 00:47:07
Hi Guys, enjoying the banter, but we have to be serious, what is going on at Ibrox? Here is my theory !
The way I see it its one of three possibilities and here they are .....
1) Craig Whyte is a crook from day 1, bought the club for £1, promised to pay the debt and invest in the club but robbed the Ticketus money, sold the Arsenal Share, robbed the tax man and f***d off to Monaco..........or.....
2) 'Sir' David Murray needed a scape goat, his money was gone, had cheated the tax man, club was up to his neck in debt and needed a patsy an sold it to poor Craig Whyte, who had no option but to take club into Administration !....or....
3) David who knew the game was up, no one interested in bailing out Rangers, debt to high, tax man breathing down their necks, goes with plan B, in cahoots with Craig Whyte, puts the club into Administration, sells eveyrthing that isn't nailed down to get a few million for himself(CWhyte), nothing left for taxman, no cash left, is the tax man really going to close it down !(not likely - a national institution!) now the Blue Knights (ex directors and friends of D Murray) can buy the club at a bargain price and pay the tax man and all other creditors 10p (if there lucky) in the pound, Rangers debt gets written off for £7.5 million, and new owners can invest in new players etc....
Now reread all David Whytes comments about these steps are in the best interests of the club and how the club will be stronger...starting to make sense?
Its a game of poker with the taxman and its all on the table. Why would Craig Whyte pay any tax to the revenue or even put his own monwy in, if they weren't going to pay the orginal tax in the first place!
Its a lose lose for the taxman and the hospitals, school, and tax payers etc in scotland !
Remember the Stadium is in a different company so it can be touched, and in the worse case scenario Rangers United can be started in the morning and rented the stadium for very little money.
I cant believe all the statement of surprise and shock that the Ally and the directors are comign out with, the dogs inth e street kwn that rangers were in deep s**t about 3 years ago !
You decide
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I hope you are right this sounds like a plan to me thanks for cheering me up timmy oh it must make you want to rip your knitting you poor sad man
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About time you worked it out, wahey a bear wae a brain, wev been telling you since last may about whyte being a crook and murrays patsy,
Ska bhoy
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This man is telling the truth don't blind yourself with patriotism. SDM and CW have cleaned the club out and their friends are waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces at rock bottom prices, to avoid paying the tax man his due. Who going to blink first the tax man or the administrators ! Are loyal Rangers fans going to let the club go down the tubes, get organised get onto the administrators before its too late !
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29 Feb 2012 00:46:10
Can rangers not look at selling off Murray park?
Or the Albion car park. I am sure Cruden
Homes or CCG or Lovell would buy this ground to
land bank for future developments. Cruden
Are a favoured contractor in the Govan
Regeneration area works.
Murray park area must be worth 10 million
Minimum. I can't believe the mess we are in
PS Lads FFS stop singing sectarian songs
I want to see our club progress, not go into
Oblivion because of punishments on sanctions
Has Mr CW and SDM not done the reputation
Of this fantastic club enough harm with out
Billy buckfast dragging us further down into
The sh1te rhymes with CW.
Rangers should stand for Pride, unionism, people
Of like minded who hold a fair point of view.
We don't need to be dragging this club down.
We need to get a leader like Sir Walter
To take the march of the people to
Ibrox to say to CW or as we know him now
Craig Sh 1te.
I drink in my local pub and we have a few drinks
Then a good sing sing all like minded
Brothers ,
In Walter we trust
Heartbreaking to see this
Regards
Bro J
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Totally agree m8 in regards to the signing. Just because we are in administration does not give us an excuse to sing songs that are banned. The difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd in the SPL is close to 1 million pounds any more points reductions due to these songs will cost us. I believe the majority of fans know now we can't sing them but the fans who are returning after a while need to be told to stop. They either don't know or don't give a f***. I also for the life of me know why Rangers fans continue to sing songs glorifying child abuse is it not bad enough that it happened in the first place without us glorying it with silly songs. The club should make a statement before the weekend in regards to this singing. It happened at Kiliie, ICT on Sunday " The Billy boys and the feinan blood was back ". Although very briefly the police were standing filming it.
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