Rangers Banter Archive December 27 2014

27 Dec 2014 22:53:25
The mighty Glasgow rangers?

How do we sort this mess of a team out! They do not deserve the accolades that we the fans bestow on them as players, they are only interested in the weekly pay packet and if their wages are paid on time, it must be great to be a football player yes?

Any criticism that the players hear about goes right through their head they are simply not interested in the fans and their opinions that is simply a FACT.

We can only change the menu when we the customers stop ordering any food from the menu! The players will only be interested when it becomes in their best interest i. e end of contract, transfer window etc (remember Peter lovenkrands and how he improved every transfer window albeit he is clearly heads and shoulders above this lot)

The whole structure needs to change as there is a complete breakdown in trust, this board are clearly being driven by mysterious shareholders, even Ashley they are feeding on the gullibility of the average Rangers fan, bearing in mind most fans are not remotely interested in what is happening at boardroom level and there is some merit in this considering when SDM ran the show we where far from perfect but we at least had some principles and cared for the fans by at least buying quality players and running a tight ship for most of his tenure, my belief is it all went wrong the day we bought tore Andre flo for £12M and then we started to have money issues. But at least we conducted ourselves in a better manner than this bunch of " great stadium robbers"

We must continue to hold onto our cash until change is forced we must not spend our money in sports direct while our club gets drip fed scraps from the sports direct table, I don't know what the answer is who is best is it king, or letham, park Ashley etc but I do know we are getting the pish taken from us and the sleasdales are right at the front of the queue hidding behind green and Stockbridge and the "shiek" probably whyte as well.

The one real issue that has NEVER been cleared up is where are the title deeds for auchenhowie and Ibrox stadium? Does anybody know where they are?

My new year resolution this new year will quite simply be spend not a penny on anything Rangers until this "gang" are moved along and all shareholders are revealed!

Have a great new year my fellow bears

RR

Sorry RR, in my opinion, Everything started with SDM and it makes me sick that clown is sitting back getting no flack at all. He spent Jack all on the club then sold us down the river to a known crook. How you can say we had some principals is laughable. His mates at the bank gave us all the money NOT Murray. Then when we had to pay back he p***ed off.

Jimh1 sir david does not deserve that u have a short memory

{Ed001's Note - David Murray is the reason why Rangers are in a mess! I can't believe people are so stupid as to defend him, when he put nothing into Rangers and continually took money out. Without Murray none of these spivs would have had their chance to get their claws into Rangers at all. That man is the root cause of every problem and yet fools defend him.}

SDM vowed to spend a tenner for every fiver spent by the other side of the city. The supporters lapped it up but now we see what a truly astute businessman he was. How do you think shareholders in any other company would react if the MD made statements like that. Not to mention being "duped" by a conman. aye he started the rot alright.

28 Dec 2014 09:46:03
@1 jimh1 I feel your pain but I was trying to compare this lot with what SDM did in his second decade as he let slip I remember we had some great years and times under his tenure, I think any fan who supported our club during his 20 odd years leadership would agree, now I don't mention he was the messiah and he tainted any credibility he had when he gave our club away to whyte the rest is history and yes Ed 001 you are correct he is the reason we are in this state right now, but please let's focus on getting this bunch of clowns out of our club because they are causing just as much carnage as SDM if not more IMO

RR

JIMH1, Well said mate and Ed001 summed it up perfectly, he is the root cause of where we are. It would not surprise me if he is still involved as he would not walk away from such an easy few bucks.

I can't agree he put nothing in his companies bank rolled us for years even the last share issue the fans only put in about £3 mill Murray, s companies bought the rest over £50 mill the onlthe big tax bill was hy mistake he made was he went for the big prize and overspent the crash came his companies were struggling and he could no longer bankroll us the big tax case was hanging over us and the bank of Scotland wanted rid of Rangers so they forced the sale selling it to Whyte was a huge problem I admit but Murray yes he made mistakes but to say he is the route of our problems is a bit over the top up till the bank forced the sale we had brought the debt down from £78 mill to £17 mill winning the league on the two years before the sale

{Ed001's Note - but Murray personally put in nothing, but did take out millions.}

Cooper boy. If my memory serves me well, the fans only raised one hundred grand.

27 Dec 2014 20:46:26
Most influential people in our history have left a legacy. Today's fiasco is a combination of murray and green's greed, whyte's stupidity and ally's ego. The first three helped create the monster and had the perfect benefactor to finish the job.
It is going to take a monumental effort to get us out the grubber and astute, honest men to get us to a level that we have a team to respect again.
We should bite the hand off Park, Letham and Ashley to help us on the way. If we could add Kennedy and Souness, then maybe we would have a platform to work from.

Billyb ime in agreement with every part of your post mate, could you imagine the dressing room today after that Shute, if graham sourness was in charge, Pppht a busy day in the Edinburgh accident and emergency IDE imagine,

Billy b there was no greed in murrays part and whyte was certainly not stupid he was the real culprit anout and out bandit

{Ed001's Note - sorry but Murray was greedy beyond belief, that is why it is all such a mess. Are you that ignorant or just one of his mates?}

Bigwull that fud murray took 6million a year out of rangers as a wage. this is fact

Bigwull, You might have murray on the top of your tree but he is no angel. It would be no surprise if he and green co-operated to set up the whole sham, with whyte brought in to take the flak.
There is more to this than a simple con or being duped.

I cannot believe people are still hankering after the return of Graeme Souness, really. The guy spent million and millions buying a team, what would he do with this selection of "players" and a club with nothing to spend. My god at some stage reality has to bite and you need to stop living in the past. It is the past that has caused all of this so maybe you should try looking forward, grouping together as a unit and supportiung your team through this period because if things carry on there won't be anything left but the past!

27 Dec 2014 18:47:19
where the hell do we go from here? shambles from boardroom to players on the pitch. had enough for definite now, be back at Ibrox for one more game this season but it will be Fernando Ricksen Tribute Match, hope to see a full house or near to it for Fernando. THERE'S ONLY ONE FERNANDO RICKSEN

27 Dec 2014 20:17:10
What we need is a youngish manager with younger, fearless players who will fight even and if they lose a goal, have the attitude they will score more, like Hibs, they lost to everyone at the start of the season but are now playing neat passing football in midfield and banging in goals, our lot are totally stiff and have no movement let alone running.

Michael Laudrup would be my shout, and remember super ally was getting paid more with us than he was at Swansea!!

{Ed001's Note - Laudrup wouldn't take training in the rain while at Swansea. If he did that in Glasgow, the players would never do any training at all!!}

Ed, Looking at the performances I don't think they do train anyway!

{Ed001's Note - good point....}

Craig 1978: And remember Ally is still getting paid. Were would the money the money for another wage be coming from.

27 Dec 2014 16:45:19
Things are going from bad to worse!

From the AGM it's clear the board have very little interest in what the fans have to say. I know a lot of folk will disagree with this course of action but the fans and their cash are the lifeblood of any club therefore boycotting games & effectively witholding the cash is the only way to oust this mob. Continually putting money into the club & lining the pockets of Ashley & Co will only make them stick around to milk the club & continue to take the mince out of fans!

A boardroom & playing staff clear out is needed even if it is at the expense of any chance of promotion this season - not that it's a given, far from it. To have the cheek to lay off loyal back room staff to save a paltry amount of money when duds like black & co are coining it in & have no loyalty or talent whatsoever says it all!

Well said mate

27 Dec 2014 18:42:09
It's obvious that the SFA, their Board members from other clubs, etc, do not want a billionaire owning Rangers. I am surprised you fellow bears lie down yet again and accept this fact. The top teams in the English Premiership all have very influential owners, and currently Ashley has more financial clout by far than McColl, Park, Taylor, and Leatham added together. King should not appear on the podium.

If we want Rangers doing 9 in a row and consistently in the Champions League then we need a big money man to head up once again, a voice like SDM. The current minions will never achieve this and we will always be second fiddle to the Tic, even if we get into that league.

MA or DL need to voice their mission publicly, their long term objectives, even if it means taking on the SFA. Too many supporters are damaged by SoS and UoF and these are the ones causing significant damage to this once great club. The football is poor and that's not the fault of the Board.

Why do you not give Ashley at least a chance, and Lambias who has gone to the SFA and said where we are going. Who else has said that to the SFA in the past 3 years.

Sent from my iPad

27 Dec 2014 19:15:30
GUTLESS,complete embarrassment,we will be in this league again next year for sure now so it's time to recall all our loan youngsters and get them in the first team to play out the rest of the season under no pressure like what Hearts done with their kids last year,as for our present first team apart from McGregor the rest of them should get sacked for gross misconduct and Ian Black especially should get dragged out of Ibrox by the hair for his performance today . surely now the spivs must know it's time to sell up and give our club back to real Rangers men who care for it and it's supporters because I really do fear the worst now if there is no change NOW. enough is enough!

Excellent post mate, though can only think reply from Tommie means he's had few too many xmas sherries! Yet again targeting SFA for Rangers problems! SFA are quite right to deny Ashley, the agreement was there and was designed as aid to Rangers to help. To agree to not hold more than 10$ then turn round and want more. moronic! And please, spare me this conspiracy about other clubs keeping Rangers down. Rangers are keeping themselves down. And David Murray?!? The guy who bragged about the millions he spent? Every fiver I'll spend a tenner. of the banks money not his! Rangers need a clearout from top to bottom. and if it means staying down or whatever it takes. it has to happen, to cleanse the club once and for all.

I think you might find that Mike Ashley will have to sell Newcastle for the SFA to agree to an increase in share holding at Rangers.
In. the current situation King or Park might be the only option but try telling that to SOMER

27 Dec 2014 21:27:08
Sorry but MA has already submitted his mission statement to the SFA and has been rejected - Somers is already finished even although he doesn't known it yet!

@4 well said mate! That is the attitude to take the club forward not "people" like tommy who will forever play the victim! The "it's everybody else's fault" brigade are destroying the club with their narrow mindedness! Voices of reason like your own need to be heard! Well done mate

27 Dec 2014 16:03:05
George
You still happy? - calling for ally's head seems to have done the trick - NOT. What frustrates me more is so called rangers fans concentrating on getting rid of the manager when that was never the real issue. We need to get rid of the board when are you all going to wake up!
Should we have called for the managers headsmid season? we will not make the playoffs. All the players out of contract will be looking after themselves in January as they know they will be moved on to cut costs. Also our best players will be sold to drag out this soap opera further.
Our club is a joke and rotten throughout, board and fans included, we couldn't organise a pis$ up in a brewery.
AGM - what a farce. Perfect opportunity to put pressure on by asking relevant questions, however we act like a group of school kids - shouting and singing obscenities
Totally fed up and won't be back.

You're deluded mate. how is the performance the boards fault. super salary has put us in this position by signing all the players on the park today bar wallace and mcculloch. unfortunatley McDowell is not the answer. however Pepe guardiola Couldnae get that team to play any better however I would rather go and support the under20s and watch them get beat every other week than watch those cretins who profess to be professionals mascarading as Rangers players. thanks ally!

Gers 09, sober up for gods sake.

The management team have had three years to assemble a squad of players to waltz through Div 3, 2 and the championship, it was plain to see that the plan to recruit old pals and over the hill players was shown up for all to see today. Foster, smith, Black, aird, law, miller boyd simply not good enough. We have had to endure dire football for the first two seasons under Ally's control plenty shouted out their concerns that we had no recognizable style of play but our superior fitness against part timers saw us win games late when we were outplayed for first 60 minutes. Ally had to go now, at the end of the season we would have still had to pay him 12 months money. The fans cannot take anymore and who can blame them. Lastly we could lose our best players, we don't have any best players.

Deluded - haha, it's guys like you that are the problem. you are worried about on the park results whilst our club is being asset stripped and destroyed from within. Not for one minute am I supporting the poor results however I don't think it's a coincendence that results dropped off at around the same time that financial uncertainty hit the headline once again.
When will you lots get it through your skulls that unless we get rid of the current board and new investment we will never get promoted yet alone be competitive in the spfl.
Failure to get promoted this season might actually be the catalyst.

Ron59- As you stated Ally had to go now but surely McDowall is not any better based on the shambolic display today v Hibs.
Durie had a decent record with the U20s last season so should he have not been the one to step up as Head Coach.
Bring in Stuart McCall or Billy Davies on an interim. basis NOW.

27 Dec 2014 15:24:16
I know things are rotten to the core at boardroom level, but there is something terribly wrong within the team as well.
I mean beyond them being sh**e, just a total lack of togetherness, bottle, respect, McDowall looked terrified from start to finish. I don't have the answers, but its been a long, long time since I've seen a Gers team capitulate like that, as for Black the hard man, we are payin that tadger whatever it is and he HATES us come on?I said I'd go back when Ally went and I maintain that, but I'll take another year in this league if it means getting some boys in with a bit of heart.

Gkk, Your post beat me to it. You are 100% correct, the boardroom situation is a can of worms, but the team is worse. I am not going to single out anyone but it is suffice to say that this is not a Rangers team, but a group of mercenaries with blue shirts on. Just like Cribari last year, they will see out their lucrative contracts. I am going to do a complete about turn and suggest that administration could be the ONLY and best way forward as we are sinking like a lead balloon.

Finally, we are fully awakened to the horror show that is the rangers first team. I totally agree with the above posts, the team has been playing below par for over a year now and finally, due to the calibre of our current opponents is showing it up. let's face it, if we were romping away with league a la hearts, would there be so much uproar over the board? It is criminally run for sure, but the all to regularly ignored criminals are those on the pitch and that's what's most worrying.

This game could have happened any time in the last 3 years until we get new coach nothing will change I was sorry for kenny mcdowall today its obvious he does not want the job in this dire hour of need I would give neil macann a go if he would take the job but something must be done quick so as new man can get rid of unwanted hasbeens ian black should be hunted for his performance he left k mcdowall no option but tae him off foster moshni simonsen aird should be in same taxi as black was lois macleod injured

27 Dec 2014 20:23:31
I agree with a lot you are saying but one player who continually gets overlooked and is one of the highest paid is that non event of a full back Wallace the amount of goals we have lost because he is caught out of position is a joke how we gave him an extended contract is beyond me he is as big an imposter as anyone

@3 why have McLeod on the park anyway? He bottles it every time he plays against a team of professionals!

Big Wull

Unfortunately Hibs taught us a lesson today as they retained the ball, looked hungrier and fitter, and were clinical all be it scored 4 with approx 6 attempts on goal throughout the 90 mins and assisted by Foster who was at fault at least for 2 of the goals
We need to bring in a new manager sooner rather than later - but do we have funds NO.
Rumour has it that we are looking to bring back our on-loan young players but who would get a game possibly Gasparato, McAusland, Gallagher- big question to answer.

27 Dec 2014 15:16:15
Just when you think it can't get any worse. the interim manager looks like doesn't want the job and the formation and tactics if we had any today were a disgrace.

The team sits too deep giving yards of space and time to every team we play against who, as a consequence all end up gaining confidence and knocking it about with nice quick passing movements while our old men chase shadows.

We need a leader on the park to kick some backsides when things are going against us rather than simply jacking it in, but Jig hardly has enough energy to jog about never mind lead by example.

These guys are very well paid to play for Rangers but the way Law reacted by turning his back on the shot at the first goal rather than 'taking one for the team' is just one example of the self interest that is showing rather than playing for the jersey/ club.

We are a laughing stock on and off the park and only McGregor would start for me in the next game.

Hats off to the Gers supporters who travelled to the game today they showed more guts and loyalty than the players on the park.

That performance today just won't do and if its the best we can muster then forget about share issues, emergency loans etc and just turn the lights out.
Enough!

When the manager went his staff should have gone with him, a clear out is needed any player 30 & over should be let go.

Mcc the knife, your not leaving us enough player to fill the team if you drop the over 30z

The young boys could'nt do any worse.

Mcc the knife I said much the same above,

27 Dec 2014 14:30:47
Good luck to the team today.
Lets hope we can now realise the potential we have in the younger players.
And to start playing quality football again.
Dounebear

27 Dec 2014 13:55:47
comeback ally all is forgiven??? total embarassment wonder what dinsdale and doug are thinking I am gonnae leave the country for the celtic game k macdowall could be shortest manager reign ever send for walter

He needs to go tonight. Same players, same tactics and same result. Some players blatantly not trying while others hid. May as well bring back the young players on loan. At least these boys will try unlike some of the imposters currently in the team

Total humiliation. Recruiting a team of players past their twilight years, sprinkle a few non Rangers fans on big wages, ignore Murray Park and hey presto, this is what we've got.

The seeds were sown a couple of years ago. Management is about risk, giving talent a chance, it's not about an old boy's club, favouritism and failing to admit mistakes in recruitment. I fail to understand why managers in football have to be ex professionals who aren't qualified in management. Plenty of great amateurs are holding the best qualifications.

27 Dec 2014 13:51:53
Sad thing is 4-0 is a result if we can keep the score down, without doubt the worst team in Rangers history playing in the 3rd easiest league in history!

27 Dec 2014 13:22:35
Surprised we haven't seen a post about Douglas Parks 'Three Bears' consortium.

Would like to know wether or not they will be successful? We all know it won't be accepted by the current board but it is still possible to underwrite the share issue?

For me it's the best possible solution now as although King would be better than the current rats his tax problems still haunt him.

Think we All know ego is involved lol

27 Dec 2014 13:14:27
How much more are we supposed to take these people have turned our team into a laughing stock, I think the play offs are beyond this team we need change and we need it now

27 Dec 2014 12:55:37
what an absolute shambles!! I thought you would have been your own man Mcdowell. but I suppose it doesn't help when your players don't even look as if they are up for it. I feel sorry for Darren Mcgregor, one of the only ones that looks like he cares. Foster, Jig, Smith, Black, Law, Aird, Miller time to go or retire!!

That's no bad!managed tae last 26minutes before turning aff. agree with the original post. was prepared to give McDowell a chance. get another manager in who has no loyalty to mcculloch, black, law etc. even if it means another year in the championship get McKay, gallacher and gasporat to back now!!!😡😡😡💊💊💊

27 Dec 2014 12:45:38
The only thing that's missing here today is McCoist isn't standing there with arms folded, absolute disgraceful display and McDowell should be manning up and stop coming out in sympathy with McCoist so change the damn tactics and be positive for goodness sake

27 Dec 2014 12:09:53
What a shock blinkered leadership same team same positions? Hoped mc Dowell had a bit of vision. Doesn't even looks like he wants 2 be there.

Must b worst Rangers team in history

27 Dec 2014 11:33:42
Oh dear it seems kenny will indeed be the same as McCoist as its an unchanged team today, it's all very depressing was really hoping he would step up and change what is a poor team BT61

What did you expect? He was integral to Ally's team so wholesale changes would be admitting it was all wrong. That said, this was a great opportunity to try youth. Anyway, what is it they say about madness? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Bt61. Kenny has picked up ally's bad habits, he even stand with his arms folded, lol I say when black was sitting after he got sent of tip another one sitting with arms folded, it must be an ibrox thing Masonic shhh lol

27 Dec 2014 08:34:24
Just like to wish the new management team good luck today, I hope to see a different attitude on the field and players playing in there correct positions not the same old style mon the Gers!