Rangers Banter Archive December 27 2011

27 Dec 2011 23:07:03
I can't believe people who slag davie weir the guy was a great free transfer and a major reason we got 3 in a row

Rablam

He is usless and an embarassment that a 41 year old was captain of rangers and playing every week only happened to save us buying another central defender. even weir himself says if it was a different era he would not have had the chance he had.

27 Dec 2011 20:58:01
now that the s**t is hitting the fan at rangers can people not see that this can be traced back to the day murray resigned from the board and lost interest. advocatt moved upstairs and we got a cheap manager in mccleish in. money stopped getting spent murray got obsessed with all things french brought in le guen and more french mercenaries. team continues to slide.

then the old silver fox, sir walter , mr experience,
wattie comes in and i thought ok good appointment until he started. he brought in pure s**t like mcculloch for 2.5 million ,weir, dailly and miller against the will of the fans and then came the football. we found out what he learned at everton. how to play defensive. the UEFA cup run that everybody loved. rival managers and players accused us of anti football which it was , still the fans backed him, his media friends did not go against him but had that been a foriegn manager they would have. i was embarressed watching the team i love being filled with players not fit to wear the shirt in a playing style beneath such a great club. walters excuse for the football." footballs not an entertainment im here to win matches" well if you dont go to football for entertainment then why do you go. then he decided he was going to leave but decides he will stay on for one more year because ally and ian begged him and he was not finished imparting his all encompasing wisdom on them yet.
the media start saying how great it is hes staying for one more year as if hes doing us all a favour . he was getting paid a fortune for it.

then this season he leaves not to retire from football he tells us just from rangers. well i believe he thought he would walk from rangers and get offered a premier league or foriegn job right away. maybe he believed the scottish media hype about him .. well here we are approaching 2012 and walter is still out of work, rangers are facing administration and the fans are turning on mccoist and whyte for negative football and financial troubles. well the financial troubles are down to murray and the style of football is walters legacy which the fans put up with and will probably get coisty the sack.

merry christmas and happy new year

What a lot of rubbish, how you can criticise Smith is an absolute disgrace, without him we would not have won the league for the last three years, nobody could have achieved that apart from Smith. He had no money, had to sell his better players and had the bank dictating his every move. Sure it was sometimes not the best to watch, but it was a damn sight better than this year. There is only one person to blame and that is David Murray, and he did not run out of interest, he ran out money. You should be ashamed

Well said mate , I will buy you a pint next time I c you . agree with your post.

A rangers fan, I think not, Mcleish did a fine job at Rangers given the finance he was given, your showing absolutely no respect to either him or Walter for what they acheived, infact I think your post is disgraceful and degrading to Rangers, if your a fan you have a funny way of showing it.

Pete

Scary that you actually believe this. Can I ask you one question? Did you celebrate any of the last 3 titles?

Spot on analysis. The media are a disgrace in there biased reporting of all things rangers for the last 20 years and still it continues to this day painting positive spins all the time... From wealth off the radar to 15m front loaded transfer war cgests its all garbage to keep the fans onside! Its time you lot wised up. And by the way Celtic do it as well through Peter lawell all be it not on the same scale as the Ibrox spin doctors.

You mentioned not fit to wear the shirt?

U r not fit to call yourself a supporter of Rangers!

If it wasn't for Smith, Celtic would be going for 7 in row just now

With that brand of football and these players then no

As a Rangers Supporter I think you should get a life pistol pete i take it your no a xmas man? The piggery awaits us the morra.
WATP

You're one of the many delusional people who come on here an criticise every single person for not being miracle workers aren't you?.... If you were Rangers manager I am sure you would repair the economy within Scotland in order to devise a strategy of creating a £100m business plan over the duration of one calender year. This would enable you build up a squad of incredible tactically attacking footballers that you deem 'good enough' to wear the Rangers jersey. But until your supernatural powers of healing are recognised by Craig Whyte, please don't be to disgruntled while I go and support the team I love.
After reading some posts on here I would be inclined to think the 'support' is in more need of change than the team itself!
CamAlex

I agree with the first post, Walter had more money to spend than you think and his brand of football was terrible . as messi said after rangers played barca, "that type of football will get football abolished".

The piggery ..u had a look at ipox latley

Four and a half years of Walter Smith, three league titles, overall eight trophies and he took us to a European final and you are complaining? McLeish four and a half year seven trophies and the last sixteen of the Champions League. Seriously what a terrible post.

GovanFR

The piggery ..u had a look at ipox latley

Ye I was there quite recently, still a five star stadium and it has new jumbo screens.

This poster (original) is a clown shoe. Walter smith, despite his tactical negativity, gave us Laudrup, albertz, gazza, and a host of other legends he brought in entertainment. And for you, a complete and utter (lease print this ed) f*ckw*t to say any otherwise is just preposterous. Rangers are having a tough time of it, yeah okay we're s**te. But you know something, we're still Glasgow Ranger and we're still top and if you gave us that at the start of the season amidst rumours of administration and worse the BEARS would take it gladly.Why can't we just get behind the team, no surrender, we shall not be moved......
In the immortal words of a championship winner Marvin Andrews.... "I BELIEVE"

Rikkisixx (slightly inebriated)

Exactly look at Smiths first spell at Ibrox, Defensive was it ? What Walter does that other Managers can't is to play to your strengths. Everyone knows certain managers like Le Guen, Wenger, Matin O'neil need money to be succesful and only have one game plan. Walter has proven he can play 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and the dreaded 5-4-1. His players are always well organised and know there job.

Im the original poster

see this is the problem instead of wanting to change for the better you get so called die hard fans coming on and saying rangers till i die and just get behind the team support evermore etc etc etc. well im as big a rangers fan as the next fan and love rangers football club but that does not mean i have to love each person within it .

i happen to think that mccleish was useless. he only got the job because murray was downsizing. and by the way he was given over 12 million for signings.

ask spurs fans,
ask villa fans 96,4 % want him out.

you say nobody else could have won the last three titles except walter smith. what ......nobody....in the world... there is not one other manager who has walters supernatural management skills dont be stupid. he had to beat one other team to be successful. as for getting no money what about


Kevin Thomson - From Hibernian, £2 million

Steven Whittaker - From Hibernian, £2 million
Carlos Cuellar - From Osasuna, £2.37 million
Lee McCulloch - From Wigan Athletic, £2.25 million
Steven Naismith - From Killmarnock, £1.9 million
Damarcus Beasley - From PSV, £700,000
Daniel Cousin - From Lens, £750,000

Steven Davis - From Fulham, £3 million
Madjid Bougherra - From Charlton, £2.5 million
Pedro Mendes - from Portsmouth, £3 million
Kyle Lafferty - From Burnley, £3.5 million
Kenny Miller - From Derby County, £1.9 million
Andrius Velicka - From Viking, £1 million
Maurice Edu - From F.C Toronto, £2.5 million

thats around £30 million another myth blown away he had money to spend he just spent it badly.


the uefa cup run everyone likes to bring up. whatever way you look at it the football was an absolute disgrace that made lots of new enemies for rangers. 11 men behind the ball and try and snatch a goal awful awful. only got through through pure luck. even smith himself believed that.

if smith is such amiracle worker then where is all these job offers no premiership, no la liga, no seria a, truth is walter is only a legend in the eyes of rangers fans and certain media puppets. the rest of england and europe just see him as an also ran.

I agree with some of it. I went to every european game for 15 years leading up to that run but didn't end up going to many of the games that campaign. It is about being entertained. In Europe you can handle being defeated or put out if you have been entertained and your team has taken part in a good game of football. That european run i'm afraid to say was nowhere near as entertaining as Celtic's run to the final.

Exactly what im saying i know you cant attack every team u play and certain teams you have to be more cautious but that year they played every game like that dundee u, celtic, hearts europe every game . its the arrogance of it telling us that a lot of the big teams play with one striker aye thats true but their wingers are constantly bombing forward in support so i dont care what anybody says i hate that boring defensive 4-5-1 style and so for me walter smith was a failure.

This is for the original poster: your blatant disrespect for those who have worked for the club you 'support' is unbelievable! This, coupled with your supposed superior attitude to your fellow fans for supporting their team is very damaging to Rangers, and actually contributes to the situation we're in. So in your expert opinion McLeish was a bad manager? Despite winning the League Cup against Arsenal? Sir Alex Ferguson had this to say about Walter Smith: "The resources at his disposal have been scant to say the least, but he has almost achieved a miracle in winning three titles on the trot.
Wherever Walter goes, his experience is important. That has proved itself in the work he has done here in his second spell, with no money at all." So you know better than one of the most successful football managers in history as well, eh? Get a grip!! 4IAR!!!

Im the original poster and obviously since you cant meet my arguments with counter arguments then i of course must be right. as for alex ferguson. he is friends with walter smith and alex mccleish and so of course he will support them that is the whole problem in management too many old pals. look at my arguments again and you will see i have already gone over your points. also far from tryig to feel superior to my fellow fans. i respect them for blindly following the club but its the wrong thing to do if you want success. as the great philophoser ging hanoo sayum always says" no follower has ever become a leader"

So original poster,what do you suggest we do? Who can come in and transform the fortunes of Rangers, what manager could we afford, and further more who is going to supply the vast sums of money we will need to give us the kind of Rangers you would like to see. Manchester City spent over 150 Million pounds getting the best manager and players at there disposal and what have they won? did they get to the Final of the Europa League ? last 16 of the Champions League, did they lose out on a CL Final place to a team later found guilty of match fixing ? I will tell you the answer, it is NO, but Walter Smith did all of these things with less than a 1/3 rd of that Money. Come on orginal poster, tell all pf us Loyal fans blindly following the club we love what you would suggest eh ? Come on .. I am dying to hear who you would bring in and what you would do. So what is the solition mister? pray tell

Pete

Well first of all i wouldnt waste the money we do have on pish like lafferty, paying pensioners like weir till there 50, bringing in embarrasing rejects like aluko, foster from Aberdeen. EDu for 3 million. davis for 3 million and the way the media go on about him is unbelievable for a very average player.

Season tickets - its ok paying inflated prices when you have the likes of laudrap and gascoigne in your team. the board are telling us costs have to be cut wages have to be cut and we have to accept we dont have the same level of player and we will have to accept it then thats fine drop season tickets then.

its quite simple
excellent players+ good football= high season tickets

s**te cheapo players + defensive s**te football = cheap season tickets

You haven't given a solution mate, just more moaning and slagging off of players, cheaper season tickets are going to get us better players, and attract a better Manager wtf are you on?

Pete

27 Dec 2011 20:13:15
I know this would probably never hap not the usual 6 defenders in team but I would love to see this team.

shagger
whittaker
bocanegra
papac
wallace
aluko (an absolute must play)
davis
bendiksen (good technically and can keep hold of possession better than edu or mcculloch)
wylde
lafferty
jelavic

Lol at an Aberdeen reject as an absolute must play lol

How do you work that out 'aberdeen reject' he left the club because he is better than all the sheep that play for aberdeen, he only played 45 min at st mirren and imo was our best player and our only out ball

Dont worry timmy u will c why hes a must play when hes ripping ur statuesque defence to pieces.

27 Dec 2011 18:25:44
What you all think of aluko??

Really like him, provides that spark we need, very creative and looks comfortable on the ball. I don't think he's shown his best yet but at 22 and shown the attitude he has to get to Rangers, he's class.

He's no world beater but he's better than a lot of our players.

What u think of edu? I think he's rubbish

Rablam

I think edu Could do with a break. I thought when he first came he was going to do well but he's went through one hell of a bad patch but he tries as hard as anyone and has improved a bit. It would help If a lot of fans got off his back and gave him some encouragement. I'd rather edu in there than mcculloch.

He is no better, no worse than Damarcus Beasley, in fact, I think he is him !!! Lol A.K

Rablam why are you always on Edu's case, you have never said a good word about him, If he was as bad as you make out do you think he would have as Many Caps for the USA and been to world cups, give it a rest.

Pete

Pete he doesn't deserve praise he's played 42 out of 43 games and I can't count on 1 hand the good games he's had, the only game he never played was motherwell away and that wad ourbest game, does that not tell u something? He's rubbish.

Rablam

27 Dec 2011 17:29:16
How can a team commit the most fouls yet have the least amount of yellow cards shown. Now there's a question for the SFA?

Who bloody cares

Billyboy1

Get a grip, u sound like a Celtic fan

27 Dec 2011 17:06:55
WELL WELL WELL, just back fae the beach and i no yous all love my transfer storys , gary o'connor will be 100% be a rangers player in january , put your mortgag on it or a line if thats what your into , if im wrong ill give every rangers fan on here a baguette for free from my shop baguette express , cant give any declans one though or ill go bust cos there is more of yous than rangers fans on the page , u herd it here 1st unless somebody else told you and it would be 2nd i suppose but this is 100% fact
wullie o'liddle + snowy

Make mine a Tuna and Cheese Wullie, I'll pick it up on the 1st of February - Snowy must have been sniffin a different type of grass last night bud.

Pete

Ha quality posting from O'Liddell

Rikkisixx

Do you do them Ham & Mozzarellas? If not I may have to turn to Upper Crust! CamAlex

27 dec 2011 16:50:37
i think rangers should go with 4 4 2 tomorrow, i dont think celtic would expect rangers to play that, at least if we do get beat we go down fighting and not sitting back defending because celtic have a better front line than us and if all we are gonna do is defend it could be a long night,celtic defence is shoddy so atleast rangers should have a go.

Aye bud should go for the throat they are shady at the back so we would score if we got chances, a bet mcoist sets the team up so as not to lose wif mcculloch an edu on the same starting 11 though pure gash together man ( my opinion)

Ally will what Walter tells him, 4-5-1

27 Dec 2011 15:57:18
My team for piggery


Shagger

Whittiker Weir/bartley bocanegra Wallace

Aluko Davis. Edu. Bendikson

Jelavic. Lafferty

I think mccoist may go with a 442 and Bendikson to surprise Lennon. Wylde's delivery has been rotten of late

Wyldes all round game is pathetic and nowhere near good enough for Rangers

Sorry mate,but the games not at ibrox.

Naw it's no at Ibrox, it's at the piggery!! so the guy is 100% correct. Now, go away

I don't think he appealed McCulloch's Red so he could sit on the bench, I think he will go defensive and sit McCulloch on Samaras, with edu and Davis in the middle and Aluko wide with Jelavic playing on his own - Walter tactics will be in force, I hope I am wrong but I can't see him going all out attack even though I think thats what will get us a result.

Pete

Piggery? Are your big screens working yet or still covered with posters? Remember craig whytes line... They will be sorted in due course!! Burst pipes flaking paint toilets a mess bills not being paid and you have the cheek to call celtic park a piggery? Your as deluded as your manager!

Deluded? you lot call parkhead paradise! haha.

The main stand at parkhead is shocking

I see you font deny any the points then! And lets no forget ibrox was only rebuilt because the first one fell down!

Correction - screens are now fixed they were on at the last home game. Bring it on the mora.

Jas

Two and a half years later lol cheapos lol

Ibrox was rebuilt as a front runner in all-seated stadia across Europe, ya ignorrant bottom feeding parasite............ Parkheid is and always has been a complete midden !!! A.K PS Come back when ye can talk sense ya DUNCE

Ha ha ha all upset cause your stadiums falling apart (again!) players paying there own transfer fees, ex employees sueing you in court, dodging taxes etc etc etc again ha ha de ha ha ya muppets! Roll on the morra

The new screens are 22inch grundigs, Craig whyte got them on chucky

27 Dec 2011 15:06:15
another wee bit fun lads , whats your worst ever rangers 11 , and ill say again im 22 i aint seen as much players as use guys lol

snelders
boli broadfoot konterman vanoli
capucho daily emerson
sebo ostenstad van vossen

quite hard i couldnt think of a really bad keeper or left back lol

billy bee

Add mcculloch and edu and whitty to that

Your current first 11?

Konterman winning goal..cis cup against the manky mob..hero to me

Ally as manager he's no got it

To the Tim that says current 11, it doesn't day much for your so called great team 20 games gone and 1 point behind the worst gers 11 in history, what does thst say about u lot

Bit unfair on dailly he wasnt that bad

Mcgregor
whittaker weir goian broadfoot
mcculloch edu davis naismith
lafferty miller

Dailly was a joke

When walter signed dailly and weir he should have been fired.

Boni Ginzberg
Adamzcuk,K Svenson,Prodan,Bernard
Capucho,bob malcolm,edu,sionko
Marcus Gayle,Sebo

Billy thompson
ross konterman hurlock vanoli
capucho emerson daily
van vossen ostenstad beattie

Boli was captain of France, an marseille where he scored the winner in the champions league final... We signed him that summer..... One of the best centre halves in the world at the time. Walter smith then proceeded to play the poor guy at right back which ruined him.

Ally Maxwell
Christian Dailly
Bernard
Rodriguez
Berg
Capucho
Wylde
Neil Murray
Emerson
Dale Gordon
Ostenstad

Rikkisixx (on the bench :))

I have to disagree with Hening Berg.The guy was quality. Also I was at Dale Gordon's debut where he scored a hat trick. His problem was he was bought as a replacement to Mark Walters. Not one of our best but certainly not the worst

Where is Lionel Letizi?

27 Dec 2011 14:49:12
My team would be

Mcgregor
Ortiz
Bartley
Bocanegra
Wallace/papac
Aluko
Edu
Davis
Wylde
Lafferty
Jelavic

Subs
Alexander
McKay
Bendikson
Perry
Hemmings
Whittaker
Fleck

I think it's time Whittaker was dropped, iv said since the start ofthe season I think Ortiz would do well at right back. If it wasnt Celtic I'd be tempted to drop Davis and throw McKay in at centre mid, can always change it if it's not working.(let's face it, it's not been working with Davis in there anyway).

Ally has been changing it too much these past few games m8, that is a big part of the problem, he doesn't know his strongest team. let's just wait and see how it all pans out tomorrow night, we are due a wee performance and this game could kick start our season again. A.K

I hope you right ak

Ortiz at right back? Are u a Tim?

Ortiz played at right back most Of the time for almeria. I think he looks ok on the ball and would do a lot better at right back than right mid. If you tea my post the reason iv got Ortiz in there is Whittaker needs dropped n who would u have instead, broadfoot? How about tryin to have a decent discussion instead of being a smarta***

I would give broadfoot a run of games. I agree he is not our most cultured player but he can be pretty solid and gets up and down the pitch well. A good team player.

27 Dec 2011 14:39:27
My team would be

Mcgregor
Ortiz
Bartley
Bocanegra
Wallace/papac
Aluko
Edu
Davis
Wylde

Thats only 9 players bud

No its only 7 he has ortiz and edu they ain't football players

I pressed the send button by mistake

27 Dec 2011 14:16:31
The bookies have rangers to win at parkhead tomoz night. Odds are 15 to 1.

Losing in europe,losing in the cup,losing money,losing points.

January forecast will be great too when your losing players.

Other than give out a few new deals what has the whyte knight done for rangers ?

Never mind the Whyte knight were are we going to get a class midfielder for tomorrow night

Whats celtic odds 4 to 2

6 tae 7

Rangers are 3 to 1 when was the last time u were in a bookies

27 Dec 2011 13:03:50
It pains me to admit it but well done Timaloy for keeping his word and not posting over Christmas, I fully expected to see multiple posts from him after St Mirren game gloating but not one, yes I know he will be back soon with his stupid posts but well done for keeping to his word. Surprised Bear

It's a sad day when we need to thank a very sad Celtic fan for not talking irrelevant BS on a Rangers page.

27 Dec 2011 12:53:37
Ally McCoist targets Bilyaletdinov from Everton.
Kris Commons targets Billy Bear Meat from the fridge.

Haha.

Source about gut from everton

Alexcee

27 Dec 2011 11:19:04
Why do we respect team outwith us and Celtic so much? Kyle Lafferty cost more than most ther SPL squads so even guys like Ortiz should be all over them. Otherwise dont buy them and play youth!

I'd love to see us play 3 up front and go out to pump teams everytime!

A front 3 of Jela and Laff with Fleck playmaking would be pretty good!

We already have the makings of a solid 4-3-3

Shagger
Whitts Goian Bartley Papac
Davis Edu Mckay
Jela Fleck Lafferty

We do have options with this current squad but when Ally sends them out against teams like St Mirren with the attitude to defend and maybe win 1-0 we cant expect much.

We, as fans deserve better than the boring football we've been served for years. Moneys no excuse as we're still loaded compared to 10 other teams in the SPL.

Rossco Cyprus Bear

Totally agree with your post mate, we have been short changed for a good number of years now. we should never play 1 man up top in scotland and against lessor teams in europe i.e. malmo and maribor. it was ally,s negative tactics that got us pumped out of europe .

Goian is out but McCulloch is available so what, go 3-4-3?

Team should be McGregor, Whittaker, Bartley, Bocanegra, Papac, Bendikson, Davis, , Edu, Wallace/Wylde, Lafferty & Jelavic.

Solid back 4, 2 wingers and 2 up front to pin back their wing backs and attack the 2 dumplings in the middle of defence (Bendikson gives us something of the unknown and they wont know how to handle him, Sir Walter always had a wee trick up his sleeve in these games). Davis & Edu have the energy to pull the strings from the middle. If we go at them we will win coz I reckon we can outscore them.

The pilot!

Utter mine Rosco glad ur not the manager that teams midfield would get ran riot and why on earth would boca aka our best defender not be playing? whitts cant defend mckay is unproven, edu is one dimensional, fleck is a complete waste of time, if ally played that team against inverness who played us off the park anyway for long spells they would of put 3 past us, there is a reason walter and ally play the way we do! because we r not good enough to play 433 we need bodys in the midfield to compete! *ksd*

27 Dec 2011 01:12:28
Right boys something different , what would be your best rangers dream team of all time im only 22 so not seen as much players as the older guys but mines would be
Goram
Ricksen gough amoruso numan

Laudrup ferguson gazza cooper

Mccoist hately

12.Mcgregor
13.Weir
14.Durrant
15.Albertz
16.Mols

Just a wee bit fun boys :) minds ive only been watching football maybe 14 years boys coopers the only one i aint seen much of but some old videos of ma dads hes amazing

Billy Bee

David Robertson at right back far better than ricksen, amoruso couldn't tie big butcher's shoe laces, I also feel stuart mccall would be a better partner for gazza

Goram,

Robertson, gough, butcher, numan
Laudrup, mccall, gazza, cooper
Hateley, super ally

Rablam

Davie Robertson was a Left Back !!! Where you been ?

Ur kidding yourselves and davie robertson was a left back.

Goram
stevens
butcher
gough
brown
laudrap
souness
gascgoine
albertz
mccoist
hateley

would blow any team anywhere away.

Is david robertson not a left back

David Robertson was a left back. Never played right back in his whole career.

David robertson was a left back

Ricksen, really the man that was substituted after 23 minutes of a 6-2 defeat by the mighty hoops!

DazzaBhoy

I understand what you are saying that this team is only from the last couple of decades, but if it was of all time Jim Baxter would have to have a place. Take your pick who you leave out cos he was better than them all.

I'm only 18 and been going since I was 6 (1999) so have a bit more of a limited choice, but I reckon my team would still take some beating!

1. McGregor

2. Hutton

4. Amoruso

3. Weir

5. Numan

6. Ferguson

11. Albertz

8. Van Bronckhorst

14. R. de Boer

10. Mols

9. Prso

Subs

19. Klos
12. Ricksen
24. Cuellar
16. Mendes
18. McCann
17. Novo
15. Boyd

Reckon this team is pretty good, middle to front it is certainly frightening.

Steven.

Ha ha just shows what the young ones know about football.

Would wipe the floor with you in terms of football knowledge pal.

Steven.