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26 Jul 2012 22:12:10
WHY DO A DEAL WITH SKY WHILE STILL HOLDING BACK ON OUR REGISTRATION,DOUBLE STANDARDS IF YOU ASK ME.
PD PT
1 Annan Athletic 0 0
2 Berwick Rangers 0 0
3 Clyde 0 0
4 East Stirlingshire 0 0
5 Elgin City 0 0
6 Montrose 0 0
7 Peterhead 0 0
8 Queen's Park 0 0
9 Stirling Albion 0 0
10 ................. 0 0
where are we????
Caps lock is a real bitch. cHELTbLUE
26 Jul 2012 22:04:18
Looking at the SFL website, Rangers have been removed, any one know why?
Looks like we will be arguing upto near this date then?
Tuesday 7th August 2012
First Round
19:45 East Fife v The Rangers FC
Thats still there on site.
Probably due to lacvk of license... no reports of further meetings tomorrow! not looking good , brechin will be way out of pocket!
Butnot in this ?at moment
Sunday 29th July 2012
First Round North-East
15:05 Brechin City v .................Glebe Park
Internet fairies.... Sorry edd. CheltBlue
No football this year for the gers apart from globtrotting!!!!!!!!!!!! some of us had said to Green this is what we wanted=be careful what you wish for!
Errrrr, not anymore, lololol
Were we actually listed in the first place? No licence to play yet so it would have been a bit presumptive if we were listed previously but I wouldn't know personally as it is the first time I have looked at it, hence the question.
I would guess that we were as I have attached three links to the SFL pages which highlight just how much confusion there appears to be in relation to the situation we collectively find ourselves in (including what we will officially end up being called by the looks of it). The first is a link to the Div3 table listing only nine teams with Rangers not mentioned anywhere on the page. The second is a link to the league fixture list which has a blank space beside each week in relation to the team participating. However, the same list also shows the grounds where the matches are played and 'The Rangers' is listed as the ground next to each blank space? The third link is the amended/updated Ramsdens Cup fixture list which clearly states that Brechin City vs Rangers (NOT The Rangers) is on Sunday 29th. Three pages within the same website all implying different things. I guess we won't truly know until it is officially announced whether we are being granted a licence or not. Hopefully tomorrow, it is time to move on and get back to talking about football.
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/third/table/
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/third/fixtures/
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/news/article/ramsdens-cup-fixture-amendment-75/
Brian
You appear to have clicked agree with yourself 14 times - pathetic
for all others go to http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/football/third/fixtures/
we are still here timmy
JG
26 Jul 2012 21:20:16
Ed-what is the latest on the s.f.a granting a licence.? {Ed039's Note - No update since yesterday)
26 Jul 2012 21:14:11
St Johnstone 1-1 after an hour . Hope you enjoyed ur European adventure. No more cash and bust by Xmas - be careful what you vote for !
Now full time, out of Europe. A massive 6,032 crowd, obviously meant a lot to the people of Perth.
One of the few clubs that actually made a profit, and that was without euro footy. Back in your box below the stairs numpty! At least they operate within their means. You reap what you sow! Currently Sevco88 are at the highest risk of any club, have you a membership? have you a licence? Try be less bitter, it's not other clubs that had your former club liquidated mate, it was your own owners. Scott
Who really cares? More interested that rangers get to play this season, don't really know what your point is we git pumped out of Europe last season at this stage.
Yeh, out from under the stairs one more. Who is showing the bitterness now, unlike you I can appreciate what trouble we are in and we may well go out of the game completely, I was stating facts. They are out of Europe and the crowd was only 6,032.aHowever, given the fact
@2, Gotta love how this guy tried to be msart and then said Sevco 5088. Who are they? Did you mean Sevco Scotland Ltd.? Smart ar$e
Damn iPad, as I was saying, we may go out of business, but given the desperate way that the SPL are trying to get our media rights we may not be he only club do to do. I won't take any pleasure in it but at the same time I won't shed any tears either. If other clubs do go out of business it means that they weren't as efficient as they thought they were and don't have the fans to keep them solvent. If we do go down the tubes, Celtic will also suffer in the long run and if you think that is bitterness, you are suffering from some form of mental illness. It will be no fun being the only fish in the pond surrounded by tadpoles.
6000? Im dissapointed. Thought the fans were going to reward the clubs with ticket sales? The 12th man could of made the difference... CheltBlue ps sorry but wats the capacity of McDonalds Park?
Poster 2 ,where did you get your profit from in the 1st place ,not with your crowds anyway ,they came from gers and tic fans filling your ground ,im moving house got some extra cardboard boxes ,dont think i ve 1 big enough to fit your heid doug t.s.o
Hi chelt blue its actually mc diarmid park named after farmer who donated the land ,but it might just end up a mc donalds very soon and he wasnt a farmer lol doug t.s.o
Oh and I do not support the Perth team, I support Scottish Football (which a vast proportion of the team that has no name do not). This, 'if we die you die' rubbish is an embarresment on your club and fellow fans. Oh and one last note, glad the penny has dropped and you are now refering to yourselves as Sevco Scotland Ltd. Nice to see the Sevco88 quip got that out you. Scott
26 Jul 2012 21:12:14
some have sugested we have a year out and not back down to spl demands , but if we do that another team will fill vacant slot and we will be high and dry
We will then just have to apply to a different football association, simples.
No we will not, MONEY MONEY MONEY It's a rich mans world! Brinksmanship its called they will fold as they cant afford to lose us, Ian.
Without doubt i would pull the plug right now instead of accepting this ongoing remorseless punishment, bottom line is regardless of how ante gers anyone might be those with a semblance of sense must realise scottish football without any one of two is a complete and utter non event, by the way what about the big mouth [and supposedly integrity of the highest level] down love street way who shot his mouth off for a wee bit of his 15 mins of fame and is now appartently happy to do a runner for a few quid.
26 Jul 2012 20:28:47
The SPL and SFL are close to agreeing a £1.2m deal with Sky for the right to show 45 Rangers matches over the next three seasons.,from the Daily Record,sounds possible as times running out,not just for
us but for Scottish football as SPL unable to meet its financial commitments without this input from Sky.
AJM.
1.2 mill? did anyone see sky profits today ffs
26 Jul 2012 18:55:13
This is gettin beyond a joke noo! Somebody needs to come out n tell us what's happenin. Yet again us innocent fans are the ones to suffer. Just let us get back to watching our team!
26 Jul 2012 18:48:22
KNOW THIS MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT
BUT ON THE BASIS THAT WE DO GET THE LICENCE
THEN IN A FEW YEARS TIME WE WILL ALL LOOK
BACK ON THIS FROM UP HIGH AND HOPEFULLY WILL
BE SUPPORTING A CLUB THAT IS ORGANISED BOTH
ON A OFF THE PARK AND VAN HOLD THEIR HEAD UP
HIGH/ALSO AGAIN HOPEFULLY THOSE WHO CAUSED
THIS WHAT CAN BE BEST DESCRIBED AS A TOTAL
NIGHTMARE IE CRAIG WHYTE AND IF FOUND GUILTY
SDM ARE ALL VIA POLICE INVESTIGATION BROUGHT
TO TASK WHICH IN SOME SMALL WAY MIGHT ALLOW
THE NAME RANGERS TO BE REPOLISHED RATHER THAN
TARNISHED. {Ed039's Note - Good post)
Good one mate, maybe a year out would let fate take it's course and murray would be exposed for the shyster he is. No point in giving in to something caused by others, so let them have their moment of glory and let the guilty be punished.
26 Jul 2012 18:45:19
The use of EBT's was clearly shown in our accounts and those accounts were submitted and passed by SPL and SFA. Why then is the dual contracts causing a problem.
Is this another way of passing the buck for the incompetence of the authorities?
This situation is beyond a joke. We have had the few
hundred fans of other clubs backing their own teams with an ultimatum. We have had the bribes made to SFL clubs to put us into div one, we have had the slagging of SFL clubs by SPL clubs because they made the decision on the same basis as SPL clubs.
This whole thing should have been dealt with by the authorities from day one, here we are five months after admin, two months after liquidation, and three days away from season kick off and we still have no idea if we will be playing at all.
One thing this has shown that clubs are only interested in looking after themselves, the good of the game is of no interest.
When will 50,000 fans be considered, when will somebody take note of their wishes and concerns, when will somebody treat them with respect. After all we, Rangers fans and Celtuc fans have kept these clubs going for years. They have overcharged us with ticket prices, they have earned tv money that is on offer because of us.
Enough is enough
EBT's need to be passed by HMRC and that aint going to happen, the side bar letters displayed on bbc web site make them incompetent - and liable for tax plus ni. i hope hmrc pursue the recipients of those payments for all taxes.
The use of EBT's were shown in the accounts but that is not the issue.
The accounts simply showed a one line entry stating Employee Benfit Trusts and then the financial amount paid out in that respect.
The accounts do not detail that a portion of these EBT payments were for players and the players had seperate contracts to cover these EBT payments. This was not detailed in the accounts.
Having such seperate contracts is what the offence if that the SPL are investigating, they are not investigating that Rangers used EBTs.
Mac2.
Yes the accounts were submitted and passed by the relevant authorities and they like rangers never thought for one minute that it would come to this.when all the investigative work is completed those authorities will be brought to task
that is why they are stalling on a decision
they are up to their neck in it. three cheers for the internet bampots
26 Jul 2012 18:39:17
Just checked SFL site and The Rangers no longer appear in league table,also Sunday game shows no opposition for Brechin?? Seems as if the game is up now!
Having checked it, your right, I also notice that on our alleged home fixtures they still have the venue as The Rangers Football Club, so our name has been deliberately taken off today. The final countdown?
Its called Brinkmanship! a case of we have told you what will happen if agreement is not signed ? we will have no other avenue than to take your name out of fixture list etc .. we will give you "blaa blaaa blaa amount many days to re look at offer if not signed by ?? date we must look at alternative club or just close opening in League 3 for this season.
Green will be blinking now...........
26 Jul 2012 17:46:15
Going to go down to the wire apparently. If Mr Green wants the supporters on his side he CANNOT agree to the stripping of titles .
26 Jul 2012 17:38:11
I hate to say this bears but with weekend only 24hrs away im starting to think it may be time up,im aware the league campaign is still a further wek away but i feel we can scrap any plans of watching the gers this weekend as a cant see a licence being approved.i realy admire beattie and black and co training and wanting to be apart of o new era for us but even they must be thinking come on we need clarity here.just do something a know may be hard for you mr doncaster make a bloody decision and get on with it,ur starting to look like a circus act now.come on lets just back to playing football now.
26 Jul 2012 17:26:09
I favour us being appropriately punished. I favour us being in the 3rd. But this is getting to be too much. I think that we should just pull out for a year and leave them to it.
26 Jul 2012 17:06:33
I hope all the tv deals fall through and the turkeys that voted for Christmas get what they deserve and a few teams go bust (and if they do will they have to jump through the same hoops as us).
And before all the do gooders come on about "what will you have to come back to" the answer is I don't care it will be what it will be and everyone's cloth will be cut to suit.
Thats why noone likes you. But you dont care. {Ed039's Note - Someone should make a song like that)
Itl be the north and south of scotland amateur league ,of course we will get all the blame for that as usual ,well they were well warned about the end result ,and still they showed pig headedness doug t.s.o
Get it straight in your head son from administration to liquidation now newco into D3 not demoted into it but given the available slot, while cash was being spent that wasn't there in first place most teams where cutting their cloth and trying to stay afloat, head in sand still by the looks of most folk on here, wish everybody would wake up and see Newco is a step forward a second chance to be grabbed, yet its still oh you did this to us patter, given a chance yet some folk still wanna take the high and mighty stance, #luckytobehere
Shona Baird {Ed039's Note - What teams were trying to cut their cloths Shona?)
Me me me lol, get over it you sound like kid who missed a birthday party, FFs grow a pair and an get behind your team instead of wishing Ill to everyone else
Vambo
Correct , so why didnt yous cut your cloth accordingly when you should have
What "hoops" did you's jump through then son?
I for one believe the SPL will become a much stronger league, now RFC are gone. We will have different clubs winning the cups and challenging for 2nd! We will be bringing through decent youngsters instead of buying in foreigners to keep up with RFC!
RFC are dead, long live the SPL!
DazzaBhoy {Ed039's Note - and people say rangers fans are delusional. I can not see anyway the SPL will get stronger daz)
If other teams do go bust and want their SFA membership transferred they will have to jump through the same hoops, as this is setting a precident,but to be fair Rangers should be applying to play profesional football ,because if it was any other team in Scotland they would be made to apply which Rangers are not being made to do! that is why the sanctions are being put in place for the transfer of the old membership which would mean Rangers dont need to apply,either that or wait 3yrs out of profesional football for audited accounts and then apply like any other team would have to.
I agree sky hold all the cards ,spl in tatters now no tv deal unless rangers involved but were not in the spl anymore but spl want our tv rights to show all away games this is whats holding everything up hope rangers stand tall and tell them to get stuffed
It's this attitude that's got us into this situation . Wise up and hope we and the rest of Scottish football come through this. As a Rangers supporter I am hurting but don't blame other clubs or fans for this mess they are hurting as well. Let's hope this is over soon and we can get Back to some real football
Bobby
U sad, sad little man.
Drew
I hope you are 100% correct in getting what you wish for. As you say some clubs may go into administration and some of them may even recover however if what you want does happen your own club will die a second time with no hope of recovery and that will be no bad thing for scottish football and scottish society in General.......Obviously tongue in cheek here and unlike you I would not wish harm on anybody or club as you do...but as it is said often on this forum " be careful what you wish for"...you sir and the 10 that agree with you are neanderthals and should stay away from strong drink and keyboards...I truly hope ALL Scottish clubs survive this crisis intact...JohnnyG
So because rangers were badly run and went bust, u want everyone else to go bust too? What a nice person u r! Not bitter at all eh? L1888
Fair enough & a wee part of me thinks that too but just bear in mind that the next club that might go bust is Rangers. For a second time.
Do Gooder
A true football fan would not wish what our club has gone through on any other club, you sir are an idiot! {Ed039's Note - Good man)
Remind me OP, because I must have missed it, when did Rangers cut their cloth to suit? It's fair to say "we don't do walking away" currently wouldn't hold up to much scrutiny lately but fair play, you do irony magnificently well.
Possibly the most foolish post I have ever read.
Disgusting attitude ! These "turkeys"didn't vote against new co for spite they voted no bcos if they started as a new club they'd start from the bottom and I don't mean the 3rd it'd be the juniors so count yourself lucky u might still be able to watch your team in a pro league.im sure u don't speak for all the fans and I'm glad cos idiots like u give Scottish football a bad name. Cha67
Shona if teams were trying to cut their cloth why are they all falling over themselves to get every last dime out of us the cash cow they are all up to their eyes in debt and on the edge
Shona may have got the wording incorrect but what she is implying is that other teams paid the taxes, NIC, didnt have dual contracts. Do I go on?
Secondly, the whining of poor old sevco fans is tedious. The punishments have been limited and everything has been done to keep a team playing out of ibrox in the leagues. Ask yourselves if it had been anyother side would we still be in this position - no way. Finally, trying to get the dual enquiry squashed smacks of an admission of guilt - no? {Ed039's Note - I like shonas posts but I don't think the wording was incorrect, sorry Shona, my opinion)
Rangers will not play this year and they will be invited back to the SPL next year along with the winners or the SFL making it a 14 team league
26 Jul 2012 17:03:04
Since when was there a difference between a consequence and a punishment?
Everyone is saying that the fine, transfer embargo etc etc etc are consequences and not punishments. So basically these people aren't happy with the "consequences" handed to Rangers so they want them "punished" on top of these consequences?
The consequences of parking without paying is a parking ticket, a fine if you like, but if others aren't happy about this they can demand a "punishment" on top of this consequence?
Is this what certain individuals are trying to tell us?
TTG
I think what "everyone" is trying to tell you is that if IF, your team was run well none of this would have happened and we would all be looking forward to the new season with a few teams with new players. But that didn't happen, the ex rangers board or individuals screwed up big time, now let's get on with our life's.
Vambo
Punishment is the penalty for deliberate wrongdoing. For example - Cheating. Consequence is the outcome from an event. For example - Going into Administration.
TTG you're wrong.
Oldco Rangers are being liquidated. That is as a result of the financial performance of the company.
If Rangers were not do to anything further then there would be no Rangers in the future.
In order for there to be a Rangers in the future a new company has been set up to create a Newco Rangers.
This Newco Rangers want to play football.
This Newco Rangers do not have an SFA membership and up until recently did not have a league share and as such were unable to play in any league.
They were not part of any league.
Like any other team that is not part of the SPL or SFL, if they want to play in these leagues, they have to apply for membership.
An application to transfer the SPL share of Oldco to Newco was unsuccessful.
An application to joingthe SFL was successful and Newco have been placed in SFL3 (subject to SFA membership).
This is not a punishment. This is a new football team applying to play football and getting accepted into SFL3.
There has been no punishment, Rangers have not been charged with any offence and had to appear before a disciplinary committe and found guilty.
Rangers are about to be liquidated, have applied as a new club for membership to the SFL and been successful.
This has all come as a consequence of Rangers going into administration and soon to be liquidated.
It is therefore a consequence and not a punishment.
Not pleasant, a horrible experience to go through, but never the less, a consequence of administration and liquidation.
Mac2.
TTG - should also have said, that the £160k fine and transfer embargo are indeed punishments.
Well, technically not the transfer embargo, this is a condition of SFA membership, but I wouldn't argue that point and accept it is a punishment.
Mac2.
We know a fine and a transfer embargo are punishments that rangers deserved but appealed embargo and have not paid fine, we are saying 10 point deduction , european ban , liquidation and relegated to div 3 were rangers decisions to go down the road that triggered these issues , and before you say it was the tax man then that was a road you went down knowing the tax man never do deals
A consequence is a logically occuring effect of an action. A punishment is something which is imposed. To continue your analogy, a fine is a punishment of illegal parking not a consequence. What if you don't get caught illegally parked; no fine, therefore no punishement. If the fine were a consequence of illegal parking, it would occur whether you were caught or not. Which is just mad.
Al
26 Jul 2012 16:47:04
Hate to say it but I can only see 1 outcome. Ebt inquest will continue which means Ally will resign. Green needs Rangers to play this season and past trophy wins are of no concern to him.
If you think the newco isnt going into any league then why is Sky, SPL, SFL & SFA all running about like crazy trying to negotiate a TV deal!! it's all down to a tv deal been done that suits all parties! money again! I believe we will be playing brechin on sunday and you can see it on bbc alba! *ksd*
26 Jul 2012 16:03:20
Come on Footballing Authorities in Scotland, What are you playing at, make a statement explaining what the stumbling blocks are or kick us out completely. Stop pussy footing around and let us get on with our lives. We the INNOCENT FANS deserve better than this.
I think we know what the stumbling block is, we have said ok enough is enough we take div 3 we take transfer embargo, we pay football debts, we give you our media rights and the financial gains that go with them, you give us a licence and it stops there. I 100% agree with green for holding out for that deal, we can only give so much now others need to give something in return
JG
Tell that to cg
Surely that is why you have Mr Green, super Ally and chairman Murray at all these talks why not ask them to keep you informed...or do you only want to continually Blame SFA.SFL and SPL ....it is your own representatives who have the sole duty of keeping you informed...JohnnyG
Is that not the job of your chairman?
Theey will say nothing due to othing being settled, they ccame out once last week and we derided them. Can only see Ally eating humble pie or walking away.
26 Jul 2012 15:57:56
has anyone got any idea whats happening with this licence to play {Ed039's Note - Been searching the net and cant find any reliable updates)
26 Jul 2012 13:53:34
any news on how much further along we are...talk about cutting it sch-nice-und-tight!
26 Jul 2012 12:31:19
ED WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA. WHY DONT WE LINK UP WITH A LARGE CLUB AND BE THERE FEEDER TEAM GIVING US SOME OF THE PROSPECTS BUT I WOULD ALSO HOPE WE PLAYED SOME OF OUR OWN PROSPECTS 2 {Ed039's Note - I have mentioned this before, it would be a good idea but at a higher level of competition)
Could give celtic a call {Ed039's Note - op said a large club ........... Boom)
What about trying to merge with portsmouth they our in trouble too.there has been talk for years of moving to english leauge would be a good chance as both clubs need help
Poster 1 ,whats celtic nil phone number ? doug t.s.o
25 Jul 2012 23:52:19
Hi ed
Has the Rangers Oldco offically been liquidated yet or are D&P still in place?
Rab72 {Ed039's Note - Not liquidated yet, D&P still in place)
Does anybody know what Duff and Phelps are actually doing at the moment apart from becoming wealthier by the day on the proceeds of Rangers can ill afford?
And just why did they drag their feet on sending the information on Rangers' double contracts that the Scottish footballing authorities asked for yonks ago. Every other SPL club managed to get straight back to them apparently. Maybe if they'd acted quicker we could have known our fate far earlier.
BARNEY BEAR {Ed039's Note - They are actually involved in the discussions over new Rangers licence application, there needs to be an agreement between oldco, newco, SFA, SFL and SPL)
26 Jul 2012 11:47:25
I commend savage for his offer! I don't need to remind anyone of the precarious position we're in and with a lot of so called Rangers men turning their backs and here we have a guy with no ties to rangers offering to play for free! doesn't matter that he's 37. he knows we're in pooper and need help! Might teach these young guys that football is more than just money!!
Im 45 and i could do ajob in div 3 ,ffs come on do you know how bad its going to be , we would win with randy savage lol {Ed039's Note - Macho man passed away I'm afraid)
26 Jul 2012 10:47:43
Im getting the feeling that the spl have, yet again, shot theirselves in the foot over Rangers.
They dont want us in their league, they don want our fans. They only want our money and to see us further punished for the dual contract carryon which hasn't, as yet, even been decided. How can it possibly be fair to ask anyone to accept sanctions for something that hasnt even been decided?
Im beginning to think that Scottish football is on the brink of a fatal and total collapse as no one will want to purchase tv rights without also having Rangers in there in some form.
Thoughts?
No-one is going to punish you or try and strip titles ahead of a decision.
What seems to be happening is that sevco/rangers are trying to remove that option from the table - which in my opinion is wrong.
If they have done nothing wrong - then they have nothing to fear and would be able to feel vindicated if it was not proven to be unlegal, unlawful etc..........no?
It's a bit like this....
If you want to visit or live in a country, by the act of doing so you are really accepting the laws of the land, whether you like them or not, and the consequences if you are found to have broken them.
Sevco have done nothing wrong!! It is the RFC oldco that are answerable!!
Spl are not asking you to take santions for ebt yet , rangers are stalling as they want spl to stop investigation into ebt , so please get facts right before posting please
I feel they are trying to remove this option because they know other names of people who have been paid will come out and they are s**t ting themselves.they are trying everything to get these investigations halted,but they cant be halted these things must be done by the rules.they should not even have a say in any investigations either.
1.)
Second HAVE done nothing wrong
It's a newco. - KEEP,UP!
bil72
6.) Second.........huh? what do you mean ? KEEP UP yourself - ya plum
26 Jul 2012 09:31:15
Rangers have received hardly any punishment to date, most of the mess that they are in is a direct consequence of their own actions / inactions. Despite what McCoist and others keep bleating about, they've had next to no punishment imposed by anyone, so far.
Banned from Champions League
No they're not banned, they failed to qualify as they never submitted their accounts as per the rules.
Docked ten points
Any club entering Administration during the football season faces a automatic ten point deduction - and it did not alter their final league position.
Rangers were relegated from the SPL
Rangers were not relegated, they are in Administration, could not agree a CVA, and are facing Liquidation. Rangers will be wound up and cease to exist, so cannot play in any league.
Sevco were relegated from the SPL
Sevco were not relegated, they have never been, a member of the SPL. As a brand new company, they were refused permission to start off at the top tier of Scottish football.
Sevco have been relegated to the 3rd Div
Sevco are a brand new company, they have never been a member of any league, and have not been relegated by any league. They are starting in the 3rd Division, as all new Senior Clubs are expected to do.
Banned from Europe for three years
No, they're not banned, any club wishing a European Licence must provide three years audited accounts. Sevco are unable to meet that requirement, so can not qualify until they do have three years accounts.
Fined £160k
Actually yes, this is a punishment. It was imposed by an independent tribunal, for bringing the game into disrepute over non-payment of approximately £13,000,000 of Tax and NI, potentially a criminal offence. Rangers / Sevco haven't yet paid it!
Transfer Ban
Yes this is a punishment, however in order to allow Sevco to play in the 3rd Division. The SFA have allowed Sevco a transfer window to buy players before the ban kicks in.
Rangers have been punished for EBT's
No they haven't, the football authorities are not even investigating this. They were sent a "bill" by HMRC which they appealed. This appeal has been heard by the FTT, and both parties are currently awaiting the outcome.
Rangers have been punished for Dual Contracts
No they haven't, the SPL have said that there is a case to answer (irrespective of any decision on legality / illegality of their use of EBT's) on the use of undeclared dual contracts, meaning they would have fielded ineligible players, but to date this has not been actioned.
So far the only punishment Rangers / Sevco have received is the £160k fine - that they haven't actually paid..! Everything else they are claiming is a "punishment" is actually completely self-inflicted, and a direct consequence of their own conscious and deliberate inactions, or actions.
This article was written by a Hearts fan. Just passing on the message...
Surely this will stop the punishment nonsense once and for all.The fact there is a chance to recruit players proves there is no witch hunt.Lets hope Ally,Brown etc read this.
What a brilliant post. I'm gonna print this out and keep a few copies in my pocket. Next time I start a conversation with an Ally McCoist clone I'll dig it out. Might stick it on the noticeboard in the pub. Even good Rangers fans who understood all of this must be getting sick of the "we keep gettin punished" brigade.
(Oh, and ED, thanks for allowing the post. Good man.)
Shug
Ok,measure it against what Portsmouth have had consequentially.
Well if its only the 160k - then everything all rosy then!!!!!!
good fkn grief!
bil72
Perhaps the Hearts fan who wrote this should spend his time worrying about his team than Rangers.
Also, as so many fans of other teams want to regard Rangers as a NEW team, why should they take the punish of the OLD team.
You can't have it both ways.
Think you should worry about your own team, as youv'e got plenty problems at your own doorstep.
The fact that you are a Hearts fan is why you think this way. Let me tell you that as a Rangers fan the whole thing feels like a punishment. The whole thing relates to not paying NI or paye, everything stemmed from that. Try telling my ten year old that we have not been punished.
The very fact that you deem it necessary to spout this rubbish on another team's page shows that you have more interest in us than you do your own team. We don't really care how you view it.
So if we're a brand new company why are we being punished? That should stay with the Oldco. Can't have it both ways as we're always being preached at.
Can you please enlighten me to difference between punishment and sanction?
BFH
I would then argue that when Celtic lift the SPL trophy this season it will not be a victory to celebrate, but merely a consequence of collecting the most points.
pappy {Ed039's Note - I will take abuse from Celtic supporters for this, but this has to be one of the most sensible posts of the day)
Sevco should be able to sign players and should not worry about dual contracts as everyone keeps saying Rangers F.C are dead this is a new football team so we shouldn't have any punnishment and if sky or anyone else wants to show our games the money should be split in the SFL not the SPL.
You have to laugh at the the weans,whit are they like eh? They've been up rummagin aboot in the loft awday and found a wee toy tae play wae. Aw bless.
P.O.B.
FFS! Make up your minds, either it is RFC oldco you are talking about or RFC newco. This jambo heid prattles on about both.
Do not start to mix the two up.
Newco and history = punishments and 3rd div.
Newco and no history = 3rd div.
SPL can go and take a flying f£ck to themselves about the RFC newco accepting punishment for a yet to be proven dual contract allegation for the RFC oldco.
The RFC newco have only applied for a SPL transfer of share, which any newco would have done.
They have only applied for membership of the SFA to be transfered, which is what any newco would have done.
They have only applied for membership of the SFL which is what any newco would have done.
But then again Airdrie bought over Clydebank FC at Kilbowie Park and relocated back through to Airdrie and were placed in the 2nd Div. Probably what any club would have done.
Smeltic fans have slagged off the RFC oldco for advertising being the most successful club in the world with the number of championships etc that were won and the 5 stars. This has been going on for ages, long before the sh!t hit the fan.
Smeltic fans like to brag about being the first club to win the 'big one', maybe they could put a star for each decade's anniversary on their shirts make them feel happier. Only 5 yrs to go and you to will have 5!
It is all about getting titles taken away from the RFC oldco and then going on to make a monetary claim against who?
The phrase 'sporting integrity' died when the SPL fans threatened boycotts to clubs who may have voted yes to the newco.
The SPL said no, the sfl yes, the sfa said yes but here are the punishemnts for the RFC oldco which is part of the deal. It is not RFC fans who are mixing up the two, it is the footballing authorities and they are desperate to justify it.
I will agree with the RFC newco withdrawing their application altogether if additions from the RFC oldco are to be attached to their admission.
Enough is enough.
Ed to post 10, its more about winning and losing that post not consequence or punishment etc,but yeah i like the point being made,
Shona Baird
Ok then, The Rangers are a new team so shouldnt be punished......in that case you have no history!No 5 stars, no 54 titles, nothing! Would you prefer that?? {Ed039's Note - To be honest I just want 11 players on the field on Sunday so however it gets sorted then so be it)
@10...How can you say thats sensible ed??the team that accumulates the most points celebrates there victory by lifting the spl trophy!!!..stevo {Ed039's Note - Think about what the poster is saying Stevo, then go stand in a circle and pee in the corner)
As a non gers fans, i've got absolutely no issue with you still being classed as Rangers. THE PROBLEM IS THAT TO RETAIN YOUR HISTORY AND CLUB IDENTITY YOU NEED TO CONTINUE THE SFA MEMBERSHIP OF THE OLDCO. IF YOU DONT WANT YOUR NEWCO TO BE AFFECTED BY SANCTIONS FROM THAT MEMBERSHIP, APPLY FOR A NEW MEMBERSHIP. UNFORTUNTELY, YOU WILL NO LONGER BE RANGERS OR INHERIT THEIR HISTORY.
IT'S YOUR CLUB THAT IS TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
To edd. You are 100% correct. A cup game fair enough upsets happen but the league is definately Celtics. You would have to bet millions to make any money at the bookies. Hearts announce £150 million investement....? Nah. The SPL for me is now the most uncompetitive league in the world. Even Celtic fans must admit ? At least Spain has 2 teams...CheltBlue
26 Jul 2012 08:59:32
If there has been no illegal use of EBT's why are Charles Green and Ally McCoist so keen to see the investigation into them scrapped ? Sevco are in grave danger of going out of football altogether , they can't keep rattling on about being a Newco when it suits them , but expect to be the Old club as well , time to make your mind up !!
There is no such thing as illegal use of EBT they where perfectly legal and now they are not. the EBT isnt the issue they are fine rangers accept they had them. its the dual contracts that the problem.
The verdict of the FTT hasn't been published yet.
Regardless of the verdict, the SFA are only competent to decide upon the dual contract implications. The SPL have concluded their investigation to be disclosed on 10/8. However, they have stated that there is a case to answer.
Additionally, at a later stage, the SFA can also take additional action if any criminal action was proven.
It is the SPL and SPL that keep rattling on about the Newco then Oldco when it suits them. Can someone tell us which one it is going to be because it cannot be both?! If dual contracts were illegal where does that put dual punishments ..... should be illegal.
So why should newco be punished for old co?
You want it both ways as well.
Same applies to the supporters of the SPL teams in this backwater country! Call us newco all the time but then insist we are still the oldco and must be punished as such! Lucky us Rangers fans know the truth! The Rangers since 1872 and still continuing to be so! All narrow minded supporters of the wee teams need to realise that the more determined you are to destroy us then the more we will come back tenfold! Karma is a bitch!!
26 Jul 2012 08:48:58
Why do we need an agreement with the SPL to play in sfl? I know it's about transferring oldco membership, but we are being told we are a new club. The sfa should allow us to join sfl without SPL say so let them benefit from any media deal and not SPL. No lets watch them sink as their chickens come home to roost
Cause they need to release oldco license cant believe people dont know this
The SPL have basically blackmailed the SFL with 'We've no money to give you without you agreeing to our media demands' epsecially with the restructuring of the SKY/ESPN tv deal imminent. Sky are not interested in showing the SPL for the price they were paying without the 4 old firm games, although they will agree some sort of T.V deal if they can get access to Rangers in the SFL. Kinda made a mockery of the 'We don't need Rangers' statements that came from the clubs in the SPL. True, they don't want us - just the commercial benefits that we bring and will prevent the SPL/SFA from imploding financially. I hope the SFL stick to their guns and agree a T.V deal that will benefit their leagues rather than just preventing the SPL trying to protect their top line.
@2 Agree with you mate.
If the SPL dont pay the money due by contract then I hope the SFL will pursue them through the proper channels. There are cmmts in the SFA where all three main figures form the SPL,SFA and SFL meet. Things will be dealt with there.
Game of bluff.
I know, might sound petty but play the SPL at their own game.
26 Jul 2012 08:46:46
I don't think the delay has anything to do with stripping titles. The fact is if the spl and sfa decide to strip titles then they will. It won't be negotiated. Ally can say what he likes but is not in any position to do anything about it.
Big deal - -don't care - -new season
lets get started!
bil72
The spl will only release oldco license if newco agree to pay all football debts,the sfl agree to sell spl the tv rights to rangers games and finally the newco waive there right to apeal the findings of the spl investigation into dual contracts. now what that tells me is what ever evidence the spl has must not be that concrete or they would have no problem allowing rangers the apeal has the verdict would be the same either that or someone not wanting to mention any names hates the fact that rangers are simply the best by along way with 54 titles so supporters of other teams tell me why it is such a big deal if rangers have a right to apeal {Ed039's Note - All in the name of sporting integrity)
26 Jul 2012 03:52:27
Two issues delay agreement on newco's SFA membership
Talks between Rangers and the Scottish Premier League broke-up yesterday without agreement, leaving the Ibrox side still without Scottish Football Association membership only three days before their first game of the season, away to Brechin City in the Ramsdens Cup.
Lawyers for both parties are currently assessing the implication of any agreement they are prepared to reach, and discussions will resume again today.
Early yesterday, Charles Green said in a statement on the club website that broad agreement had been reached with the SFA and the Scottish Football League, and that discussions were ongoing with the SPL.
All four parties, along with representatives of The Rangers Football Club plc, need to sign off on the transfer of the club's SFA membership to Sevco Scotland, who now own Rangers.
Two issues were delaying the agreement. Sky are believed to want to be able to broadcast some Rangers games in the third division as part of their broadcast agreement with the SPL, and the SFL were testing the market, to see how much other broadcasters would offer.
However, there was the threat that the SPL may be unable to pay the full annual settlement to the SFL if their own broadcast deal was markedly reduced.
It is thought some form of compromise has been reached, but Rangers are also believed to be taking issue with the SPL's insistence that any sanctions that might arise from their investigation into allegations of undisclosed payments during the club's use of Employee Benefit Trusts between 2001 and 2010 should apply to Sevco Scotland, the new holding company.
The SPL's initial investigation, by the law firm Harper McLeod, found that Rangers have a case to answer, and the league now wants to appoint an independent commission to judge the evidence.
Rangers would have a right of appeal, to the SFA, but the manager Ally McCoist said last Saturday that he would not accept the stripping of league titles, which is one of 18 sanctions open to the SPL. Rangers need the SFA membership to play on Sunday, to sign the players who are currently prepared to join the club in the third division, and even to play official friendlies.
Don't see what the issue is around the dual contracts issue. Not as though it's a punishment, just the equivalent of returning stolen goods after a crime.
Surely if an independent committee finds Rangers guilty and decides to strip titles then it's all proven and above board?
Why then is McCoist saying he'd never accept it? No respect for due process or authority that lad. Thinks he and Rangers are above the law. Watp and all that nonsense attitude. Give it a rest McCoist and grow up. Petulant child.
Either Ally eats humble pie, or he walks away? not looking good for him im afraid , Green needs to get into league no matter what the cost? and to be honest old club means nothing to him and rest of board. As he stated! he will be away sooner than later when he and they have made MONEY.
25 Jul 2012 23:40:17
Robbie Savage saying on Twiter that he's sent a text to Charles Green saying he reckons he can do a job in div3 if Ally needs him......claims he's serious as he misses football. Also said he'll play for free.
25 Jul 2012 23:39:32
If i was in Greens shoes i would now put real pressure on and state if no agreement NOW forget it, and watch the squirming, since [even tic fans know] no rangers in any league we get closer to amalglamation with the juniors.
This is total crap. If no licence is gained then that will be the end of rangers/sevco so the spl and SFL and also the sfa can bide there time as the time os running out for your club so I think Mr Greene is about to reach squeaky bum time
Hail hail
Marco1888
OP I dare Rangers to take that stance. Short of a novelty value TV investment you make no real contribution to SPL teams finances for the next three years but despite which we still find fans thinking the whole epicentre of the football world is in Govan. Let me guess your stance on things so far. "We'll never go into admin...we'll never go into liquidation...the players will never leave...they'll never put us in division 3". Strictly speaking between the SPL and division one, just under half the league teams in Scotland rejected the opportunity to have you in their league for the forthcoming season. Think about that, really think about it. I'll be very surprised, after that stance, if the SPL teams back down on dual contracts now and nor should they. Do you really think Rangers is a going concern with a year (at least) without league football? You live in an upside down world if you think Rangers are applying the pressure regards this particular barrel.
Rubbish Marco, it's apparent now that no rangers equals no sky equals no spl in a couple of years. Despite assurances spl chairmen are bricking it, the so called season ticket rush in the aid of sporting integrity has failed failed.
They are both playing Russian Roulette. No Rangers means limited SPL/SFA Monies, probable 5 or 6 clubs go into administration, long term prognosis - SPL possibly goes t*ts up. No SFA License means no football for Rangers and bust again. They had better get a grip and compromise as this will benefit nobody in the long run.
25 Jul 2012 23:36:10
We will cruise the 3rd and the structure will change to spl1 and spl2 we will then win the spl2 and be back in top leauge, 2 years out thats it! this is obvious they have already talked about it and they want us back there as soon as possible for the monegrity sorry intergrity no money ahh which one is it again? does anyone know! *ksd*
For SFL clubs to resign from the league to join an SPL2 they would have to give 2 years notice so no chance of an SPL2 next year
25 Jul 2012 23:03:54
SPL will not budge on Dual contracts investigation and Green must accept this, however they are over a barrel with media rights as the SFL hold all the cards and will stop the 2 mill payment to the SFL who will then sell the media rights to the highest bidders
WHY should CG accept this - the current/new company has nothing to do with it.
The company involved no longer exists.
The Rangers have started life as a newco in the bottom rung of scottish senior football.
Why should he accept this???
or are we into the argument of oldco/newco - punish when it suits again??
bil72
It's the dual contact situation that could be the real killer.
Could lead to a future removal of SFA membership.
Green etc need to accept because they wish to join league and need accounts for 3 years? the only way they can accomplish this is to take OLDCO {or any other club in the divisions} and use their accounts? they are basically being allowed by the "bad boys" {Scottish Football}" to skip all the normal protocols that were in place for any other NEWCO to join the league.
No accounts means! we will have to wait those years in wilderness until we get them.
{ NO FOOTBALL}? are you GETTING THIS YET??? Do you still think this is a conspiracy against us???
Its a "GET OUT JAIL CARD FREE" some of the OLDCO baggage added and we walk into third. SIMPLEZ... only problem is ALLY thinks like you! and some others! that this is all a BIG PUNISHMENT for misdemeanors DONE BY OTHERS.. "it is" but the punishment is with the OLDCO so you cant have the good bit then throw away the bad becuase "we dont like it" we have to take it all.
History is all in the past, we need to make OUR own history over the years to come, if we dont then like many massive entitys before us we will simply disappear.
25 Jul 2012 22:28:59
the sfa have just shown the world that they cant even show the world the right flag for north korea
ffs ,could have caused a bit of a barney!!,how can they go on!! absolute joke our govenring body is. time for change
im embarresed for my fellow scots and the world
we dont do walking away!but i walk forward with faith in ally.
aye me.....
For once it wasnt the sfa fault as they werent involved ,it was down to a logo company in london working for the olympics ,big harry davis davis could have put them right he fought in the korean war doug t.so
The flag had nothing to do with the SFA, this is the OLYMPICS, remember the event the SFA had wanted nothing to do with - apart from charge for use of their stadium.
London Olympic committee have accepted responsibility.
Nothing to do with SFA or Scotland.All to do with Olympic organisers.Sorry,we have to give blame where blame is due.They have enough to answer for.
It was the fault of the Olympics organisers not the SFA
Rikkisixx
Maybe time to stop blaming everything on Scottish Football, was mistake done by Olympic Board in London {thats official "by the way"} will you be posting an apology? think not . Its time to move on from the "blame them culture" and get back to watching football, statements like yours! just confirms a number of peoples feelings that most Rangers fans are bigoted/crass idiots.
We will be a" New Team" born in Scotland in 2012, lets get it right this time round.
25 Jul 2012 22:49:51
Why do people keep going on about 'play the kids play the kids'
Have any of you watched division 3 football? The kids get kicked and booted all over the place, yes it'll teach them to grow a pair but it'll also easily burn them out!
Guys like mcCulloch and Black will be absolutely invaluable and if some of the youngsters can get 12/15 games next season that'll do wonders for their confidence.
Trust me 11 under 21's on the field will win nothing in division 3!
Unfortunately I have to agree - went to a couple of games at livingston & it was dire rough stuff, with low grade referees. Not much better than junior football (no offence).
Under 21's could suffer big time
bil72
Yes we expect to walk up the divisions but as you say it may not be that easy.Respect must be given to Div 3 and remember,they will all want to beat us far more than any other team.No walk over these teams.
25 Jul 2012 22:45:27
It looks like the only delay is about the titles hopefuly they sort it out and soon but I expect it sorted sooner rather than latet come on green and spl sort it out NOW
25 Jul 2012 22:04:27
Hey bears, good to see we are linked with players again. So technically this isnt a rumour, more of a wishlist, but can anyone comment on the status of whether we are close to signing them or not? cheers.
Robbie Savage, Nacho Novo, Steven Jennings, Gary Kenneth, Dean shiels, ian black, craig beattie, kevin kyle, Gary Teale.
I'd love to see these guys come to us.
WATP Ste
Good god its like a police line up! Where are the youth gonna play? Remember the "build for the future" stuff?
25 Jul 2012 22:16:31
I'm not sure what most Rangers Fans view is on Charles Green. Here is mine.
1. He was the only man who stepped up to the plate when we were at our worst.
2. He has identified a plan which in my opinion will work for Rangers in the short and long term. We need more than one investor, we need a board for financial issues and we need a board for footballing issues.
3. Charles Green has every right to fend off offers like Bomber Brown, too me the guy is a Rangers Legend, however some of the Rangers fans are following their hearts instead of their heads on this one. For instance, Bomber does not have the Financial backing of any investor and I cannot see many mentally capable Rangers fans investing in Bombers business proposition, unless he reveals what Green allegedly said to him.
4. I maintain that Rangers Fans should allow Charles Green to obtain SFA membership, allow him to give our Gaffer money and give him time to prove that him and his consortium can bring our great club back to its feet.
5. After a period of time Green and Sevco are not implementing their promises I think it will be then we can start questioning their motives instead of not giving them a chance to begin with.
StewBear