Rangers Banter Archive June 22 2012

22 Jun 2012 23:27:28
Heard tonight from very reliable source that it's already agreed with Sky Rangers go into Division 1 next year. Also more things in background yet to be revealed was reason Walter Smith and his consortium walked away.

Wullie-RFC

Would strongly advise you to read the statement released by Falkirk FC yesterday .....

Rubbish. Anyone verify young McCabe has knocked newco back?

TRFC are going to div3.
Sky have no say in anything.

Falkirk wont get a choice

22 Jun 2012 22:12:29
The massed Celtic supporters clubs this week stated they would boycott any team voting YES.
Guess that means they don't go to Celtic Park if Lawwell votes YES then?

As a celtic fan i dont particularly agree with boycotts. I cant see what can be achieved by them. I think the various calls for boycotts have 2 dimensions. One is frustration of fans when they are often considered extras in a tv show. The other is a desire by some fans to see themselves as more important than those of other clubs. The Albion rovers fan is as credible as the Real Madrid fan.

Guess that's proof lawwells voting NO.

OP, that's a sensible post. Nothing to be gained by boycoting fitba matches. Just an excuse for a bigot piss up.

Does any one really think Celtic will vote anything but a resounding "NO"?

22 Jun 2012 21:16:23
Ok folks here is a call to arms for us all I have donated and I hope some of you can (Admins Please post this) instead of us bitching about football lets show the world how great the Scottish Football fans are, please repost it on your facebook and spread the word. Lets get little Olivia home to Fraserburgh

http://news.stv.tv/north/107353-family-appeals-to-get-cancer-stricken-daughter-home-from-mexico/

What a thoughtful thing to do.Well done. Lets get this wee girl back home.It puts all this into perspective.

Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention , well done mate. i've sent mines . 70070.... OLIV95 £1 TO £10 ..bb

22 Jun 2012 21:00:17
sky tv offer spl 200million over 2 years to keeps rangers in spl sanction free, this is a take it or leave it deal, if spl dont accept sky tv will pull out

Guess that's a NO then.

LOL LOL LOL

must be out of straws to clutch by now surely...

Lol brilliant anybody believes that n il eat ma dogs poo

Think you have been in the pub for too long today my friend

Dear lord.I thought care in the community did not leave people like you alone?

22 Jun 2012 20:25:27
Its only far like Livingstone. You should start in the Scottish 3rd Division. and Dundee should replace them has the second place team in the 1st Division.

Agreed.
RFC troo bloo

There is a certain irony about Dundee replacing us given their less than squeeky clean financial history don't you think? #peopleinglasshousesanawthat

Baybear

@2: They have done their time though.......green jhedi

No they havent,they bumped small businesses /big companies just as we did so because they got a 25 point reduction 2 years ago they are judged to have done there time? they went into admin 2 times i believe, livingston were hit the hardest and i take my hat off to them but dundee got away lightly IMO...

Tam-Sir 1873 Jedi Master

They went into admin but were not liquidated. They were not guilty of financial doping either

They also paid back 100p in the pound

Vambo

22 Jun 2012 20:12:27
everybody gets a say except the rangers fans give us a vote I would vote for division 3 lets just go and start again

Rangers have a vote - not sure of it's newco or oldco though. Get onto Green or D&P and ask for the fans to have a say then.

Oldco represented by Duff & Phelps get a vote.

Mac.

Other fans only have a say because their clubs are consulting them.

No they dont as accounts were not in in time an it wid ave been oldco

22 Jun 2012 18:38:41
Bit pi*sed but heard in the pub That McCoist stayed with Green cause his publisher advised it.
His future book "we don't do walking away" by Ally McCoist, the last Rangers manager..... Won't work if he resigns. He needs to keep there until replaced.

Think you are p*ssed {Ed039's Note - Me too, although something very believable about it as well lol)

It could be true. A lot of Daily Rangers reporters able to ghost an opportunist cheapie.

Lol mark hateleys writing it for him. Cause DR don't need hacks covering div3.

Ally jealous that Warty scammed £700k out the fans he wants to pick a cool £1m.

Ally hardly needs the money from some book launch. Do you believe he would stay in this job unless he loved Rangers. His love for Rangers would not be affected for a book.

#5 Where would he go? let 15 point lead slip before sh@t hit fans (!) so not the world's best managerial history. Friendly cheeky chappie of "Question of Sport" image ruined by the "Who are these people?" rant. Face on adverts for Grieg's (pies not John)is his only option.

22 Jun 2012 17:21:39
Aberdeen have denied reports from this morning that they'll vote against a Rangers 'newco' playing in the Scottish Premier League next season.

They say 'sporting integrity' and 'fans views' will play a part in it's final decision.

Dundee United and Hearts have already stated they'll vote against the proposals.

Rangers need an 8-4 vote in their favour on the 4th of July to play in the top flight, or risk having to play in the Scottish Third Division...jsm

Sporting integrity is too big to fail.

The world is watching.

The world couldnt care less about scotland

The world doesn't give a monkeys, do you think this is the talk in Spain or Italy. Time you realise Scotland is a football backwater and is going to get a lot worse with no finance and no competition

What do you mean the world is watching? No it isn't no one south of the border or outwith our shores care a jot about our league .

Oh no, not another 'the world is watching' comment. Last time I looked, there were more important things going on in ' the world', but if the world is so concerned about a tiny wee island, and a GAME, after all, I say World, get a grip.

I think teams like fiorentina might be interested considering they were sent to division C2 in italy for the same thing. FIFA and UEFA will be interested as the SFA are a member of the organisations.

The only reason you have the chance to start in the SPL is because the SPL and SFL are separate entities, other than England most countries do not use this system and all divisions are linked. {Ed001's Note - Fiorentina were relegated to Serie B, on the pitch, then failed to meet entry requirements to enter Serie B. They were bankrupt and ceased to exist as a result of failing to get a place in Serie B. A new team was created and entered the Italian leagues in Serie C2. They were never placed there as a punishment.}

Aberdeen in 2000 was saved from relegation by that old trick Falkirk FC's stadium was not up to SPL standards and FFC could not be promoted. I suppose there is a difference in sporting integrity and integrity.

@7: that was the league adhering to its own rules - Rangers took the league to court because the panel handed down a punishment not in the rules. You can't have it both ways: is the league sticking to its rules about stadium standards in 2000 a lack of integrity?

22 Jun 2012 16:33:56
These guys who are meant to represent the rangers fans are just representing themselves. They have told all the masses to back whyte(cuckoo) now they want you to back green(cuckoo) all they really want is a free ride and all the perks that go with it. Same as sandy jardine who does exactly what? They are not being honest and now they want to argue about the rfff money. Your money not there money. Get them all out now. start from the bottom work back up forget the vote and get some self respect back as a once proud football club.

22 Jun 2012 16:10:47
One simple question,can Duff and Duffer be sued for not completeing the basic admin paperwork that is required to transfer staff from oldco to newco? they are after all the administrators for Rangers and are being paid a fortune to do this,Green cannot be invoved with this task he is the boss of the newco only.
If all these players walk for free due to this ERROR then someone must be responsable.Your thoughts please

There is no such paperwork.Rangers are dead,or dying,so their contracts are voided.They are free agents Frazer Wishart stated this.

Players should be consulted, it can't be done automatically, so paperwork is required

22 Jun 2012 15:37:24
on the bbc panorama programme about rangers it also claimed that celtic used the ebt scheme in their purchase of juninho... think the figure was around £720000. If thats the case dos that mean they have a case to answer to as well?


sebo

They have answered it . They paid back all taxes due. No other players were paid this way. It does not compare with the Rangers' situation.
Liah Smit

Where have you been? This has been done to death on here.

No. They declared the payments and paid the tax when they realised it could be a problem.

Yeah 3 years later.......

@4: and?

Paying the tax man is not the issue ...... The issue is operating a dual contract

22 Jun 2012 15:05:27
Is there any chance that we could get advise form Walters consortium on the best thing to do as far as season tickets being bought or should we hang on till we get the truth on the plant progress forward. I am still waiting for Green to be open and honest about his plansHE HAS TOLD US NOTHING {Ed039's Note - Walters consortium have pulled out of the running therefore I dont think we will be hearing anything from them)

I think he already has. Read between the lines.

Warty has gone for good and wished the Green consortium the best of luck. So that's it Green has Wartys good wishes.

22 Jun 2012 14:59:07
Can someone from the RFFF or one of the fans so called representative bodies or Mr Green tell us what Green's business plan is and in particular how he is going to generate revenue to run the club.

What is his intentions with the playing squad, who does he want rid of and who does he want to keep. Assuming players can be purchased, at what level are these players and what is the budget.

He must have allowed for different scenarios dependent on which division Rangers are playing in.

On the basis that Rangers are playing Div 3 football next season I want the following questions answered:

1. What is the projected income from season ticket sales.

2. What is the projected income from Rangers fans paying at the gate.

3. What is the projected income from away support.

4. If this is not considerably smaller than last season, what are the reasons for this.

5. What players are you happy to see walk away from the club to get of the payroll, and who will you get rid of that doesn't walk away. How much will this save.

6. What cutbacks will there be outside of the first team, in particular the U20s, youth teams and coaching staff. What are the savings.

7. What redundancies do you plan in non footballing staff. What are the savings.

8. How much revenue will be lost from no European football for 3 seasons.

9. What loss of revenue will there be if there is no Scottish Cup football.

10. What will the merchandising and catering sales be like compared to last year. Will there be greater income as they will be 100% owned, or will revenues be down due to smaller crowds.

11. How much money will be lost by not finishing 1st or 2nd in SPL.

12. How much money will be given to McCoist to bring players in.

13. If Rangers are suspended for a full season due to dual contracts what are your contingency plans.

14. Whay have Sevco not been able to open a commercial bank account.

15. Who are your investors.

16. How much are these investors putting in and what do they expect in return.

17. What are the details of your proposed share issue.

18. Why have you not provided this information in detail previously.

19. What is your specific exit strategy.

20. Has a place on the board been promised to any fans representative.

C'mon Mr Green, or the RFFF or a representative body, what are the answers to these obvious questions. Surely they must have been provided at the recent meeting.

Why have the fans not yet been told, but yet you want payment for season books.

Mac. {Ed039's Note - I know what you are saying, but it is not possible to produce a business plan until we know where we stand, otherwise he would be slaughtered for a load of ifs but and maybes)

It's normal practice to supply a business plan assuming different micro-economic circumstances. In the case of New co, that would take into consideration playing in different divisions.

Mr Green should produce such plans for the fans' perusal especially when the purchase of season tickets etc are being considered. That is assuming Mr Green has a plan/plans for managing a football club!

Appreciated Ed, but why would Green invest in Rangers with so much uncertainty. I can understand Walter's consortium as they have a love of Rangers, but if Green doesn't know what his plan is, why is he getting involved.

Mac. {Ed039's Note - He will have a plan for different eventualities, but maybe he wont have as many "investors" if no SPL, I think there is something funny in it all TBH)

Some unanswerable questions in there but a lot of pertinent ones as well.........green jhedi

He'll have a plan A, B, C and probably a few more. Its frustrating but we've been patient for so long a few more weeks isnt really the end of the world. Not for me anyway. CheltBlue

Think Green alters the plan from day to day.
Could be he has no players and large salary bill for non playing staff.
If Green had envisaged this mess doubt he would have bought the assets.
Administration 2 looks more and more likely.

22 Jun 2012 09:43:56
Fellow Rangers fans I have an idea how to move our club forward. Firstly withdraw our application to join ANY league. Let all our players leave or sell them if we can. Then we must get a owner and chairman we trust. Then scan the globe for the best youth players and give them the chance to join the most radical footballing experiment. We will give them a chance to play in the uk and live in the rangers academy based at murray park. This will become there home where they will be given the best training and schooling form coaches and ex players. It will give ex players the chance to develope there coaching skills ready for management. The youth team will play at ibrox and we as loyal supporters will pay to watch them. We will sell shares in the new venture for the exact same price as a season ticket currently costs. You will own part of the club and have a say. After a year we can look at our players and make a decision whether we believe the time is right to join a league. With the level of interest there will be I'm sure scouts from all over will be drawn to our club and I'm sure serious money could be made selling some of our best players. After a year you will be offered another share issue for season ticket money and by year three 100% of rangers will be fan owned. I don't want our club to beg to join the SPL, its a crap league anyway, let them have it. The clubs that are voting against us provide mostly totally inadequate opposition anyway. Honestly who really will miss the league for one season if you are being served up the worlds youth talent to watch and the chance to know you are part of the club you love.

This is one of the funniest posts ever.

I see your point,but there is one problem.European talent is on the whole all snapped up at a very young age now.Talent from further afield is governed by archaic work permit nonsense in this country.Your share plan is for sure the best way forward for any club,but you still will,eventually, have to play in the SPL........green jhedi

The posts are getting more and more desperate by the dayarent they !

Well i for 1 think this is a great idea , lesser scale to ajax but very similar , good shout op tommybhoy

If Rangers don't play in a league for a year then the place would be filled by another club. The only way that Sevco FC could apply to join a league is if a place was available. Just a point
Maybe you are assuming that without Sevco FC other clubs will go to the wall.
I do agree with other that this is funniest yet.
Al

Why wait till club is in such a mess, to employ such a plan? I think you will find every top club in Europe have all the best youngsters. Why would they go to a set up with no senior team?

22 Jun 2012 14:45:45
it looks to me that rangers wont be in the spl , all the clubs are going to vote no cause they will wont a better chance a comming runners up. and for things to get even worse i heard that naisy mgregor and davis are going to be going to new clubs if they dont join the newco wich will prob happen:/ sad days for rangers:(

Hope your wrong on all counts, but think Green is wrong in the way he had transferred contracts without asking players who stood by the old club. They didn't want liquidation though I think he and D & P did all along.

22 Jun 2012 13:52:38
Given the farce this is turning into, I can only think the best way out of this is for Green to run out of money, the club to be liquidated again, for us to go into the 3rd Division and start to work from the bottom of the league. At least that way it would be Rangers people taking us forward.
We look as if we will loose our best players whether they move for free or we sell them, and Green does not look to have the club at heart or willing to tell us all what he plans to do.

Then the question is:
Will he sell the stadium, etc move us to Burnley and bus us to Rangers games in EPL Division One every week?
Or put a depleted team into the SFL Division One and let the youth players take us up the divisions. The whole thing is a mess!

Not re-newing my season ticket until someone I believe tells me what is going on. I could be waiting a while....... a long while.....!

Totally agree mate. I think we have bigger things to worry about than whether we get into the SPL or not. I don't think we will have a club to support at all in 6 months time with Green in charge.

Not Burnley but Bury. And there's no EPL Division One.

Move you to Burnley(Bury?) and bus you to the Division one(there is no EPL one)! Are you mad?What makes you think you will be accepted into Scottish first div? You will have to ASK the SFL if they will take you into div three im afraid.And remember right now your newco have no players or accounts.

22 Jun 2012 12:58:26
Anybody else feel Green should contact all SPL chairmen find out if Newco will go ahead? If it's no knowing now gives us 2 more weeks to talk to the SFL, time is running out I can't see us being ready in 5 weeks.

They need to all come out now and declare.
The sooner the better for the game. Planning needs to be done by all. It is particularly in Rangers' favour to get an early decision.

Why should they tell you and expose themselves to threats and intimidation,Old Rangers are gone you are now a newco.

PS wee sleekit Sally has been awfae quiet ,has he been warned by Green?

Good Point. Let's be honest it's all bull. They all know exactly how they are going to vote so lets just get it over and done with at the weekend.
People i really think it is time to let it go. It will never be/can not be the same ever again. Every shyster is trying to buy us and heap more misery on us. Let's just sell the assets pay some money back and pull the curtain down. It's gone- forever!

I think the vote will be irrelevant. I can't see Green getting to a position to field a team by the start of the season if we are to believe everything. Player transfer to Sevco FC is not a given (if no players move across, there is little time to bring new players in), no bank account set up, season ticket money going into Rangers(IA) bank account not Greens and the investigations currently under way.
Al

22 Jun 2012 12:01:31
Listen lads, stop getting worked up wee all the drivel and nonsense that�s being posted and thrown about at the moment, the majority of these posts a designed to achieve maximum wind up and stir things up.

We know we aren�t liked we never have been, (no one like us, we don�t care)! just that now a large number have came out of the woodwork and are now and joined the hate band, who are displaying what they so often accuse us of hate rid and blinkered mindless thinking, well on you�s go lads, we will pass you at some point when we are on our way back up, yes I am embarrassed and remorseful, but f**k me what do you lot want blood!!

Once a bear always a bear.

Must agree the anti rangers propoganda machine is working in overtime. As OP says we were never liked anyway but did we care previously No, let them all have their kick when we are down and hopefully we can rise again after three or four difficult years

It wont be the first time we have had lean years and probably wont be the last

JG

What are you talking about pass us on the way up. it will be very hard and take a long time for Sevco to be promoted as their is no glory in playing in div 3

I think this was always going to be an emotive subject for people on every side. It is unprecedented in Scottish/British football. But for a lot of non-Rangers fans there is a frustration/annoyance, call it what you will that Rangers fans don't seem to accept that short of the £160,000 not one punishment has been meted out yet, the rest, the 10 pts, the year's ban from Europe, followed by the three year ban from Europe are all self-inflicted wounds, no one went one step out of their way to hit Rangers with those, they were inevitable for any club with financial problems. Until the martyrdom stops and reality is embraced folk will encourage their clubs to keep on kicking.
Gaz

If you know you're not liked then do something about it.People were afraid of Rangers in the past but the revolution has at last arrived.No one cares now because of your past behaviour.There would have been loads of sympathy for any other club(obviously not Celtic)but not for you--only because of your past

I agree, rangers football club did wrong not us supporters, but i feel as if the fans of the other clubs are trying to punish us the fans and not the club, so be it but fellow bears stop the in house fighting and stick together as we only have us as it no one likes us we dont care big eck

All self inflicted

Dannybhoy

JG# The biggest anti rangers propaganda machine was the arrogance of your own supporters.

22 Jun 2012 11:50:12
Rangers Newco cannot get corporate banking facilities. Whyever not, this is very worrying.

Also, Herald reporting that season ticket money already collected by direct debit is sitting in the account of Oldco, which is administered by Duff & Phelps and which Green cannot access, without legal agreement from D & P & BDO.

Again, very worrying that the ST money in oldco bank account is within reach of creditors.

Mac.

Fans money to takeover Rangers? Have we been here before?
FFS you just couldn't make this up.
I will always support Rangers new or old but not with this crook at the helm.
I will not be putting another penny in for season tickets etc until Green goes.
Make way please CG.

Why shouldnt creditors get what they are entitled to

Worrying that it might be taken for payment debt!.....or is it sod the debt we need it rebuild div3 team ....10k should do that

WHY? you dont pay money back .so no surprise no one will give you a loan and if the Season Ticket money goes to the creditors that would at least be fair

Dannybhoy

@4 why don't you ask the HMRC about the creditors, they didn't give a toss about them.

22 Jun 2012 11:21:38
Aberdeen come out now and join the bloodfest.

That's three saying NO with Motherwell putting an obvious NO to their fans. I would now ask all SPL clubs to come out in the open now with their position they've had months on this Newco issue. Failure to come out and declare - including Celtic- is cowardly. At least dons hearts and Dun Utd have been open and brave.

In other words....hurry up Celtic and say no so we can all have a real good go at you. Lawell playing a blinder.

Joeshmo1888

Are you mcoist?if celtic come out and confirm the "no" vote,the msm will use it as a stick to beat them with,accuse them of trying to ruin scottish football.the smaller teams have been silent too long,it's time for them to have their say.and remember none of this is there's or celtics fault,it's all down to your "we are the people" attitude,it's ruined your club.

Pmsl bloodfest???another deluded fanatical bafoon!!!wanting clarity are you?The only failure has been your extinct club who have shamed scottish football for the world too see,your history will forever be rememberd as the most toxic,corrupt club ever to grace scottish football

Is that you Ally with this transparincey stuff again?

din22

And thats your biggest worry after your club has died and your struggling to find a league to play in?

If majority are no Celtic will vote no or abstain Lawell is playing a blinder .

22 Jun 2012 10:12:20
Ed, I have still to renew my season
ticket and find it hard to understand
why the Rangers Fighting Fund would
want supporters to part with their cash
to Green and co!
Don't think we'll be in the SPL, rightly so!
and it appears that monies are going to the old co, does anybody trust Duff and Duffer or BDO to hand
it back to Green, lets face it look at
the creditors that we've screwed!!
Still to be convinced by Green anyway,
who's to say he's not just another C**T
like Craig Sh**e!!
Lastly anybody any idea the takeup of
season tickets so far?

22 Jun 2012 10:56:19
Bears Beware : Season Tickets

For all you Bears agonising over whether to renew season tickets don't bother.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/creditors-retain-claim-on-rangers-season-ticket-cash.17946985

Greens newco still doesn't have a bank account ... We all work hard for our cash , don't want you or your families out of pocket. HH. Joe

Ticketus still have a legal claim on ticket money held by oldco!

But it's alright for all the creditors to be out of pocket!

22 Jun 2012 10:45:46
Aberdeen plan to vote against a Rangers 'newco' being admitted to the Scottish Premier League, bringing the number of clubs in opposition to three.

Dundee United and Hearts went public with their views on Thursday.

And the Dons have told BBC Scotland that maintaining the integrity of the competition is behind their decision.

22 Jun 2012 08:50:53
Good Morning Fellow Bears..
Calling all true bears.

Come on lads lets get a grip, I am reading some extremely anxious worrying comments from our rank and file support. Like a lot of you I have followed my beloved Rangers for ny on forty plus years, this is a terrible terrible shame, f*****g nonsense that�s what it is, I just wish it would all go away.

However it�s going nowhere for the immediate future that�s for sure, realistically it cannot be expected of our top earning players to be party to seeking out a living in the lower leagues as some of you seem to think, nor will it be possible for our club to support such wage bills, no we now need to start from scratch, keep a hold of some of the older key players (if we can) this will support and help bring the young lads on, and be rest assured over three, four years we are going to turn up a few gems for sure, our plan should be to get on board, cos like it or not boys this is all we got, I don�t see any knights (blue, black, white) on white chargers, and as for all these lot who are continually putting the boot in, what will be will be, in a few months all this will like it or not be old news, for sure they are all going to get what is coming to them.

The people who sanctioned and committed these crimes and crippled our club are out there, the SFA even watched Mr Wh**e work his lies and deceptive criminal activities etc, then when summoned Mr Wh**e showed his utter contempt towards Scottish footballs governing body and indeed the scotish duditual system. However as usual they attack the issue and not the problem, by displaying how low and cowardly they are by attacking what is a financially crippled club.

The people running football in Scotland need to take a good long hard look at themselves, for sure they have driven a nail into there very own coffin, Scottish football will suffer greatly because of whats happening. I know all you other fans are going to be posting like mad, however you�re not blind, without the old firm, let�s face it what and where will the Scottish game be without it.

To the members of the SFA I say hang your heads in shame, you have put the boot in when we were down and at our lowest, however on a more serious note you have dealt Scottish football a severe, nae crippling body blow, more over set a dangerous president, by opting to punish the club and not the perpetrators.

So lads our only course now is to get behind our club and show the footballing world that we are not dead we are very much alive, forget boycotting, we are above that, lets cram every football ground, in which ever league it may be, lets be the talk of the footballing world. The Glasgow Rangers FC need us, turn your back on them and I say you are as bad as the very people whom you continually bitch about throughout this site.

So come on lads, rise up, stand tall and be counted, get a grip, get organised and be noticed, we will be great again, and truly, what ever the outcome, Ally McCoist for me has displayed professionalism and dignity throughout this farcical episode.

I for one will not turn my back on Rangers Football Club.
Roshearty True Blue.

What rangers football club? They are dead and gone forever just accept it and let the grieving begin that is what most of the other fans are doing.

Briggs

The term old firm is now obsolete im afraid.Half of it is no more.

22 Jun 2012 08:22:30
All the mince regarding SPL voting Rangers back in to SPL!
To those who can't understand situation "Rangers" are no more , liquidated , but kaput, gone , finished, tits up, dissolved , left the Big Hoose !
Why should SPL let a brand new football team who rents Ibrox were that old team that used to play into SPL ?
This is not a the post or one that want to see Rangers Die ! Because it's to late they are dead and no longer exist!
This new club that is being started has no right to enter SPL !

Simples!

Briggies.........

22 Jun 2012 01:49:51
General question for every fellow rangers fan.

If we are not part of the SPL next season,which it looks likely we won't be, will you still subscribe to sky sports/ESPN?

I ask this because personally i only really have the sports package for rangers games. enjoy boxing bit im subscribed to boxnation so that does me, enjoy the premiership but could make do with motd on a saturday night, have no inyerest in F1, cricket, golf or darts so i reckon my £15 odd quid a month on the sports package isnt really worth it to me, got virgin media so i know the sky sports package gets bumped up for virgin media customers.

No comments needed just a count.

Agree-wont need/want sky sports if no rangers games available
Disagree-will keep the sports package regardless

j1985

Get a grip.

Get a grip?

No explaination as to why i've to get a grip.....just a random "get a grip"......really pal if your brain isny capable of understanding that my post was simply to gauge where my fellow supporters stand with regards to a tv subscription then i worry for you. Please either justify why i must "get a grip" or just stick to playin wae yer lego instead a coming on here n posting pointless replies.
J1985

22 Jun 2012 00:33:37
surely if the current people at Ibrox are NOT to blame for all the crap, then demotion to div 1 and a 10 point starting penalty should be more than enough. If all of our top players leave, then we will find it hard to gain promotion anyway ( further punishment ).
One final note - i would love to see the look on the other clubs chairmen faces who vote no, when Scottish football slides down the biggest snake on the snakes and ladders board, believe me it WILL happen, and within 2 seasons.
Bringing back the Glasgow cup ? don't make me laugh.

Failing to gain promotion, is not a punishment.its a lack of ability ! dd

No punishment yet(apart from an unpaid fine)but thank goodness they are coming,its attitudes like yours that has turned all of Scotland against you,learn the lesson accept any punishment coming,use the fighting fund to pay back small creditors and work your way back from the 3 rd with honour ,last but not least stop the threats, you are a new club start affresh and leave your old bile and baggage behind.

Dannybhoy

What makes you sure Scottish football will slide? The figures circulated would suggest you are talking rubbish.Why should your new club be allowed into division one? You have no accounts,no players and are still facing numerous investigations.Apply to the SFL and see if you can get in,ask,dont threaten.

I am up for division three its the only way we can pay for our crimes but it may take a lot longer than three years to get back up we will not have the players or the fan base to fund it so the standard of the spl was poor prior to all this so each club will have to cut back so it will mean smaller squads and poorer players next year will be easire for clubs as the novelty factor will be there but year two forward is when it all will kick in and i cant see players wanting to play up here no old firm games no money no fans we need punished but this is a no win situation but to all other fans and clubs as a rangers fan im sorry for the way my club has been run but remember the fans didnt run the club hope to see you all in thre to five years good luck cooperboy

21 Jun 2012 23:57:59
well that two clubs against the newco im not surprised by that i expect more will go the same but what i am concerned about is the bloodlust and hatred shown towards us the rangers fans have done no wrong here our club has been torn apart by men who only loved their own egos we the fans are left to face the music but i fear for what will happen when we finaly get back into the spl the away support of rangers will never be accepted at any ground lets face it there will not be the numbers traveling as before i dont know what will happen now the spl will survive without us but i fear all clubs will have to cut back and the standard was poor as it was as for us i have no idea what is going on at my club i have two season tickets which i have been asked to renew i dont even know which division we will be in who will be in our team what even we will be called not one word on how they see our future where they want to take us i have lost my shares in the old company not one word of sorry from murray or whyte just expected to write it off put my hand in my pocket and give more while they sneek away ive had enough untill i know what i am buying into the money i worked hard for stays in my bank sorry and also i am as a rangers fan sorry for the way my club has behaved in the past they have brought shame to all decent rangers fans i know i will get slaggedfor this post but i have folled rangers home and away for past thirty odd years and i can in no way defend them

I good post
I am a Celtic fan and would miss rangers from the Spl. I think one of the big problems have been no real apolige from any ranger figures. This mess is being made worse my the Spl and Sfl not getting these issue sorted out years ago. Any penalty now for going bust looks like we are punishing Rangers and not about setting rules for all. If Rangers are found guilty of double contracts to get players they could not afford a beliver a points deduction over 3-5 years would be fair (15 points) to give the other teams a chance of european football.
Rangers should pay all footballing debts evan as a new club.

Good luck

21 Jun 2012 21:56:53
every one going on about the spl and sfl merging saying its for rangers benifit need have a long hard look at the spl not rangers they are the ones that want rangers in the leauge cause without rangers the leauge will die as sky will adventually pull out or if not will be on very reduced terms they need rangers to survive so stop blaming us and blame them for trying help there selves