Rangers Banter Archive April 12 2012

12 Apr 2012 21:11:55
I am puzzled. It is well regarded that there are about 20 to 25% of the Scottish Football population are Tic minded that leaves maybe 40% Rangers and the rest spread across the rest. Could Rangers have a million fans of varying degrees of support. If 200,000 were at Manchester and 160,00 were ticketless my estimate makes sense.

So far no prominent people from the business world have stepped up to the plate and the Blue Knights seem to have only a small ammount of money. The man from Laramie has never seen the Gers play once so he has to be in this for a buck and the man from Singapore has not really got Rangers form. Where are the Scots, where are the people and where are the "Rangers till ah die brigade" They are not all skint and they cannot really be strong minded people.

When things are bad for your family you all chip in to help the family member in a hole. The Rangers support and there are hundreds of thousands should be creating a whip round of real money and they could own the club. They should be paying the debts
and being honourable. Sir Minty is not a man of honour and the other little toerag is the most sleasy conman around. But the Rangers who are "Notionally" owned by the fans allowed him to do what he has done.

Stand up and take control of your destiny It is in your hands. Do not give it to foreign carpetbaggers who when tired or skint will do another Sir Minty. Nobody has made money investing in football (except Fergus McCann).

The Scottish Football authorities are not kicking Rangers when they are down. They just want to discourage any other club from doing the same again.
The are trying to protect the integrity of the Scottish game otherwise sponsors will disappear not wanting to be a part of the disgraceful crooked dealings that we have witnessed recently.

Do not talk of threats to boycott matches or take sanctions against this one or that one. Rangers are the guilty party and the Rangers family are the only people to get them out of trouble. Please please be positive otherwise Rangers will be a small fish for at least ten years.

Good points but the RFF is shocking for what's it's made, if most/every rangers fan chipped in £1 each then the money would be millions & not a couple of hundred pounds. Everyone is skint at the moment in time but £1 from every fan would go along way but that's not happenin.

I think rangers will go down but spl will let the back in as a new co so they can claim that the money lost from the OF games & away attendence will damage Scottish football. But overall this all comes down to Whyte,bill ng,blue knights whoever need to give him a golden hand shake to get the keys to murray park & ibrox as I don't see him walking away without at least 10m in pocket

Of the 200,000 at Manchester only about 60,000 of them were decent fans.

If all the Rangers fans put forward the same amount that Manchester cost them, we would be the wealthiest club in the UK.
Not saying we should have to, but it is true nevertheless

12 Apr 2012 20:03:02
Now that the under 20s league is to start again, why not make any team that plays in in the SPL put out the 20's team in the league cup, it brings on the youth players, gives teams from lower divisions a better chance of winning a cup and make some money.
And maybe in a few years Scotland National team will be better for it.

Das Shadow

I like it. Or even have a minimum 6 under 20's on the team sheet? Anything to get more youth into the system.

GoldCoastBhoy

@Das Shadow; Been saying for years the league cup should be used for youth players.u/20 sounds about right to me....green jhedi

Great idea, let's face it we (the national team) need every wee bit help we can get, and this would b benificial I'd say, L1888

That idea is genuis frankly! In fact it's so smart it will never happen. This is Scottish Football after all so sensible and clever idea's are chased! Which is a shame as this one makes sense on every level.

Good idea, funny you are suggesting this just as Rangers are going to be forced to play a team full of youngsters! MMMMMMMMMMMMM makes you think

Whats the differance getween under 19s and under 20s It's tinkering round the edges. We need an uner 19s AND a reserve league

12 Apr 2012 18:47:25
Might just be me but dont really see how the rule change affects us unless we are liquidated. The rule amendment says clubs who enter administration......rangers are in administration and if they try to apply them retrospectively i think they would have problems in court....remember dundee?? No rule changes there.....

12 Apr 2012 17:33:27
I would like some feedback on the following.
With the spl detailing the sanctions should we be liquidated why should the money taken from us over the 3 yr period 75% is too high in my opinion be given to our rivals as this is meant to be for the good of Scottish football could it not be used to better develop our game at grass roots level then we would be punished but not filling the pockets of those chairmen that are doing this to gain additional money for their clubs with the exception of Celtic as mr lawell only interested in making sure they have cushion of points in league. Other thing is we should be talking with sfl as starting again in Div 3 may be better if sanctions get voted in let's see where the band of 10 get that missing money from no rangers fans filling their grounds at least twice a season for 3yrs and reduced if any tv deal with sky there are a few others

This is a way for the SFA to implement a handicap system,by punitive measures against Rangers,and giving the other league teams false hope of chasing the title,at best,a europa league slot,which they will falter at the first hurdle,hardly a boost for the ailing Scottish game.Billy

The usual nonsense again missing the point that punishment must be seen to be done.Not one word about how you would pay your debts..........green jhedi

Why do yous believe no other club in the spl can play in europe? yes it will be a tuff task and not big chances of them going far but these are the same teams that beat your club and yous havnt done much either. you never know what can happen when it comes to sports, with more money and expirence in europe the other spl clubs could possibly have a run and start changing everything for the spl...for yous spent too many years along with the sfa spl bring the game down, why cant yous just face facts and say our club did this and we should be punished like any normal club. who are yous to be bigger then whats right? get off your high hores and WAKE UP stop being stupid you are making yourselves look even worse...or is that your clubs buisness plan, for your legends to bring your club to its end and for you fans to help destroy it more then you already have by fighting against the proper thing to do...there truley must be a study done to understand the mind of a rankers fan for simple basics and morals are things you cant understand or just fight against, its sad you cant see how dark your club is for there shadow seems to have fell over yous like the smoke and mirros they keep giving you. glad im nothing to do with your club for i dont/wouldnt want to be made into a supporter like yous have.

@2.)what are you on about green nedy you were advocating a ban on giving Rangers any tickets for our forthcoming match against Celtic on your Celtic page.You then come on here and try to take the moral high ground.More faces than the town clock.

Yes, it's a clever bit of maths. Do the sums. tThe team finishing third has about 2/3 of Rangers points, so it's touch and go for Rangers to finish second. But totally achievable, because other potential challenging clubs are also in a bit of a mess and will need to downsize their squads too.

@4) what are you gibbering about? two totally different points. two faces? leave a name mug...........green jhedi

12 Apr 2012 16:33:10
Seems to me that the SPL are looking after themselves, they want a newco rangers in the SPL but want to be seen as imposing harsh penalties on us. They want the league sponsership, the sky tv deal and all the income that comes with Rangers been in SPL, but there is no advantage to newco rangers been in spl with all the penalties we will incur. I say screw the spl, if we are to start agian lets do it in the SFL 3rd division, will take us 3 years to get back into SPL, but by then maybe the other SPL clubs will have realised what a financial mistake it was bring through these rules.

Again attacking other teams for your mistakes, whats wrong with u?

Rangers fans want whats best for Rangers no one likes us we dont care! Anyother supporter of any other club would think the same if whats happening to us was on them believe me, its not the fans fault everyone believed Murray had the cash all those years not just us Bears its on him and his Crack team of scandelous Henchmem then Whyte i was never sure of him but i didnt expect this mess i hate his guts and any other fan ive spoke too is the same if u dont like the Rangers banter nameless poster move along we will be shafting ur team whichever one it may be left right and centre as always for years to come ;)
Larky Bear

@2) And you wonder why other fans want rid of you.What do you suggest to pay back your debt?........green jhedi

We'll see how much other fans want rid of us when time comes, so what's it to you?it's not in your or any of your mob's remit to question how we pay our debt....away and organise something for Armed Forces day...like a boycott maybe(again!)i

@4) A staggering level of hypocrisy.Armed forces day? I think they might like some equipment rather than parading round ipox.Oh wait,taxes pay that though eh?.....green jhedi

Thing is Green Jhedi it wasnt the Rangers fans that didn't pay the tax however it was YOUR FANS that were shameful towards the men that fought for the freedom you now have to come on here and post your nonsense.

Mr Blonde

@ mr Blonde; I personally respect ALL members of the armed forces and was ashamed of the nonsense generated by some Celtic fans.I also think What rangers done with those parades was a cynical sham.As for me,i blame spineless,self serving politicians for EVERY drop of blood spilled in an illegal war.Come poppy day i favour a white one thanks as i feel they say more.........green jhedi

Green jhedi ; on one hand you paint all rangers fans with the same brush then when its put to you about shamefull goings on by some celtic supporters treatment of the troops. the same could be put to yourself i could look at you in the same light as the poor excuse of the bigots that tie there selfs to your club but i dont i would like to think im more inteligent than that so i dont like it when you state (thats why people want rid of you'se )and use words like ipox wasnt it youself banging on about celtic being called sellick on ere a few weeks ago? mark.

12 Apr 2012 16:14:19
You kno what , maby its time to just give up here , this is draggin on and on and its being done on purpose , why dont we just go over to ibrox every single fan and just hand back our season tickets , let them tell us we are walkin away who gives a flyin f+++ what they think anyway , this is breaking my heart but enoughs enough , murry , white , duff , phelps , spl , sfa , are all in this one way or the other to make sure they get the outcome thats been the aim all along , think about it , finacial experts are sayin theyv never known an administration to take as long as this and thats been the reason for the two steps forward and three back routine , one big massive con job

If you need a lift mate give us a shout. Good riddance to people like you, no matter what is happening the club will always have my 100% support.

We don't need people like you so away you go.

The Pilot!

I think you were a tad harsh on the OP Pilot.
I got to admit i'm starting to lean the same way. I'm just sick of everyone whacking us over the head at every turn.
I mean what the hell is going on here?
There are plenty of finance people and admin firms asking questions about D&P and questioning the way thy're handling this.
Everybody wants a piece of us now,so let's see how they get on without us in the big league. Let's pay what we can, and try to at least get some self respect back. Let HMRC and the big boy creditors pursue Murray and Whyte, as i feel they should be held accountable personally for this,and not the club.
Agree with your point about supporting the club 100%, but for me that doesn't need to be in the SPL.
Stevie-A-Bear

What does handing back your season ticket do? You have already paid for it. You will do more good being there voicing your opinion than burying your head in the sand!

Awe the poor us card,everybody wants a piece of us...yes because yous owe everbody after screwing every penny out them,respect???something that has been long lost,as for another league,nobody will touch your toxic club with a barge pole,still as arrogant as evr in your posts,not 1 person from rfc has apologised for there underhand shiester policies over the years,let them pursue the big boy creditors,bottom line is rfc OWE the bills ,no pay no play simples,that should be written in stone..guilt by association!rangers till july! rip rfc arise Govan Tax Dodgers est 2012..up to our knees in ebts...we dont do walking away?lmao walking away from massive debts,fans be walking away,wylde,celik,john grieg ,see the pattern!!!!!!! ILWT...

@4
The fans have got nothing to apologise about, Kermit.
What is it with you Dhims?
Listen, and take heed of what your Chief executive is saying, he get's it, but you're so deluded and desperate to see RFC die, that you can't see the big picture.
And by the way it's got nothing to do with needing or wanting sympathy from anyone, i'm sick to the back teeth of the regular "Green Brigade" scribes posting something on here, then posting the complete opposite on their own page.
More faces then the Candleriggs clock.
And @4- Congratulations on enrolment into the bitter world of Rusty,Stevo,and the rest. What a sad life some of you must lead, when you have to change your undercrackers ten times a day,and all over a football club.
Stevie-A-Bear

12 Apr 2012 15:19:59
People are jumping the gun here
The new rules have not been sanctioned
Yet,and if they are will only effect us if we
liquidate or still in administration for nxt season

12 Apr 2012 13:40:02
True redemption comes through penance
not through avoiding responsibilites.
We should be working out how to pay our debts not how to stiff people for the money we owe them. It's one thing to have a beef (unjustified in my opinion) with Dundee Utd, but what's the excuse for not paying the local newsagent, or the guy who made our family section the best in the country!

"Hard Cash Not Excuses"

12 Apr 2012 11:36:04
To all these posts saying Rangers will only be deducted 10 points next season if form a Newco and access SPL�Please re-read the proposed rule.

�Under the SPL's new proposals, clubs who enter administration would be docked at least 15 points instead of the current penalty of 10.
If passed, clubs who suffer an insolvency event would incur a penalty of the greater of 15 points or a third of their total of points from the previous season.�

Rangers current points = 63
So even if Rangers lose every game til seasons end, the deduction = 21pts
For every 3 points Rangers accumulate til end season another 1pt will be added to the deduction.

So realistically we will be looking at a 25pt deduction next season.

If it�s a newco, its gotta be SFL Div 3 for me. Help out Scottish Football by bringing much needed revenue to smaller clubs through gate receipts etc. Only then can we redeem ourselves.

W-Lyl

A perverse incentive for playing to lose, then. Presumably the 10 points already deducted presumably get added on for this purpose. Better to scale the penalty to points before administration kicked in, applying an average thereafter.

Anyway, at least we all know the rules now.

12 Apr 2012 09:06:15
If we r liqudated hope we drop to div3 then only true gers men would buy nd support or team. as for this vote its a joke celts win nxt 3 years sky must b delighted all that money gor a one horse race.
Inverbear

I will follow on no matter what league they play in, simples.

J

Do you honestly think they deserve your support? I would not follow them anymore if they liquidated. Why should I give my hard earned money to them? They dont deserve it if they liquidate.
Don

By the sound of things coming out, it has been a one horse race this whole time as yous had to spend money yous didnt have while we were playing fair and within our means. your legends knew this and thought we can spend all we want and in the end we will just justify it by saying you need us in the spl......what a buisness plan eh!

12 Apr 2012 08:46:10
Look like curtains for Rangers after yesterday's decision by the SPL.

12 Apr 2012 03:07:25
Look on the bright side. Relegation to Div 3 gives us a chance to be the first Div 3 club to win the Scottish cup. It gives us the possibility of two cup meetings with Celtic making the meetings as special as they used to be before re-organisation in 1975. If we ever get ouselves sorted out financially we could even qualify for Europe as cup winners.

There also exists the chance to be the first team to be promoted from the bottom to the top divisions in successive seasons. It would also give us three years to build a team ready to challenge for the SPL title.

On a more worrying note though, If the pay cuts are only until the end of the season and no new owner is in place, does that mean we become liable for full wages at a time when the club has no gate money (closed season) and therefore very low income just as costs are about to escalate?

If u r a newco u cant get into europe even if u win a cup

U cant get in europe if newco any way i dont get this all clubs in spl will suffer if rankers go down to 3rd div yes clubs will be hit bad rankers will be even worse off no real income apart from a cup run

Yes, full wages starting June. That's why a clear-out is inevitable as there's simply no money to pay these players. Stand by for a mix of youth and veterans fulfilling a lifelong ambition to play at Rangers before they retire.

11 Apr 2012 23:57:27
I agree with the post at 19.09 i would be happy to drop to div 3 just to screw up the spl lets see how far they get withou their biggest asset! i also agree we should boycot away games that goes for next season too. Risky bear

Biggest asset . . .? Ffs and you wonder why people despair of you

U halfwits just dont get it not going 2 away games hurts our club just as much its not the other clubs fault or spl that we r in this mess and the rule change is 2 help and stop other clubs getting in the same mess

Just a wee point why delay the sale of club all the bidders said rangers would stay and we would get cva so the rule change should not matter this just proves the point that liq and newco was always no1 option

Despair of you, what does that mean?

You are assuming SFL3 wants you. They might think it will rob them of a promotion place.

Eh...... won`t Rangers going into SFL 3 in effect mean everyone else moves up a place.

Oh dear, the wee Bhoys are all going with made up(informational?!) words and capital letters...some points for your patchy memory banks....(if you know trhe history)having "Rubbish post" atached to my piece by one of the many bhoy experts in finance/law/morality/philosophy/history(aye right) phases me not a jot....quite happily forget the history, especially 1967, but we can't have that, can we...and you did'nt go BUST(some wee capitals there!), and we aren't LIQUIDATED yet, and all of you have the prophetic accuracy on current form of Nostradamus'gommey wee brother...and we beat Bursapor last season, in the Champions league, who did you beat in that competition?...the only stream I can see is the cascade of brown suff coming from your posts.....nobody is trying to deny or deflect what is going on at Rangers, it's just that it feels a bit like Josef Stalin calling Hitler a bad wee boy when we listen to the moralising guff coming from the East End...none of you really know what will happen, but you are stuck in the SPL, and without Rangers none of your cod accountancy will add up...we have damaged others directly , but it's the indirect damage that will be most telling....I will always support Rangers, and it might be refeshing not to listen to anti-British bile for a couple of years, who knows?