Rangers Banter Archive August 12 2013

12 Aug 2013 17:41:52
Reading a post earlier from a member of the head in the sand bears club.
It stated let's give ally till September to prove his worth.
WHAT IN THE HELL.

What more does ally have to do to prove he isn't good enough to manage rangers.

As reported we have one of the highest wage bills in Scotland, but cannot even compete in the ramsdens cup ( meaning last years campaign)
This year we have all ready been knocked out of 1 cup.

If we had to give him 1 more year what would be your expectation of this club mine are.

Div champions
Scot fa cup, has to reach quarters.
Ramsdens cup, has to win.

For me this is a must. Sick of hearing let's give till. Then when
Till comes its, let's give till. The spfl is getting nearer and I for one do not want ally managing us then.
What do you think?

REALITY CHECK

@op you've just wrote how this season is going div 1 champs ramsden cup winners and at least the quarters if the Scottish cup so ill be happy when we win this lot so I take it you are with giving him another year listen why are all fans not more concerned with the boardroom than ally and the team and you've got the cheek to say other fan have got their head in the sand absolute hypocrite so you take your head out the sand

The draw for the scottish cup will be vital if Rangers are to get that far. Ally needs a lucky draw to get anywhere near there although I thought Forfar was a favourable draw and looked what happened

He should've been sacked after the queen of the south defeat last season, losing to forfar was the last straw for me, he shouldn't have needed the 8 new players to beat forfar, it was a disgrace of a result.

You need the reality check!
It is time to get behind the Manager he is not going anywhere this season.
Time to start supporting your team!

Original poster is just stirring it. It is obvious from his post he knows diddly squat about football matters. Otherwise he would not have come up with such a stupid post. He will not be posting anymore by seasons end, when Ally's team are free of restrictions and encumbents and win the league playing good, exciting football

Just read an article in the Ibrox Noise with a breakdown on where the £22 million from the IPO went. £10.7 million on players and staff wages- and that is only 7 months FFS!! - Super Ally- well done mate

@4 you can still support the team but not think the manager is good enough for the job. Yes he will win the league but that's only because he has spent a ridiculous amount on wages to ensure it. A much better manager would have done the same job on a fraction of the cost. Am not convinced he will win the Ramsdens cup and no chance for the Scottish cup

@6 probably most wages on directors and consultants, so nothing to do with ally

12 Aug 2013 16:26:16
Is the shortfall in funds because we have no Ticketus deal (same as any club who use them) and no overdraft. Bearing in mind these two are usually in place for any other club, why all the criticism of the club when we are trying to live within our means without owing money to Ticketus or the bank?

Trying to live within our means my erse!people are intitled to criticise mate we don't want to end up like before plus look at all the folk that where let down by rangers finances before company's lost loads a money then we r out paying decent money to new players!we don't want to be in that problem again so understandbly folk are a bit worried

To a certain degree I agree, there are few clubs in Scotland who have anything near that in the bank, but the problem is that we are obviously losing money if £22m has disappeared since January.

So its not blowing thirty plus million pounds spending that's the problem its the fact nobody is extending credit to enable spending more? You should be the rangers finance officer. Perhaps you are?

Seems to be a lot of people prepared to trust Stockbridge's figures. Why? Until audited accounts are out he can say anything is in the bank. Why cany Ally ask to see the account on behalf of all fans. He could then confirm that amount is there and the club can move on.

Were not if you read the list again

@4 it's not ally's place to do that but am sure it would be a duff statement like the folder with the deeds to ibrox and Murray park

I think mr Stockbridge is being a bit economical with the truth here!

The electricity issue happened because the club changed to another supplier and the meter readings where incorrect and caused an overcharge, now the initial payment was made by the club and I believe the overcharged amount was credited back to the club, so I don't think he personally made any payment, also as you correctly state Malcolm Murray was said to have made a similar payment? Not sure about that but I think Stockbridge is trying to get some morale support as he is under serious pressure and he is just trying to justify his position

He should be showing the fans and investors where all the cash has gone and never mind showing "snapshots" of the IPO money, listen a child could quite easily made that list up we need to see a complete breakdown of the outgoings.

Why does he not tell the fans how much has left the club through contractors and consultants?

Why does he not tell the fans how much he makes from the other three companies linked to rangers?

Why does he and the financial controller at Ibrox not just RESIGN!

Why does he not just forgo the bonus payment completely instead of getting it deferred and getting it paid further down the line!

Why does the rangers PR department not try and address some of these issues and specifically mr traynor after all that is his job ( very expensive job)

Why won't the clubs HR department start asking some serious question regarding the conduct of some senior and middle management staff? ( oh forgot they are heavily involved in the whole saga)

When will the fans get to ask board members the 50 questions and get honest answers?

12 Aug 2013 16:05:35
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/exchange-insight/trade-data.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1

Just some proof for my last post -

Informed bear

12 Aug 2013 15:52:51
£2million worth of Rangers shares sold today, I don't know who too but something is happening.

Informed bear

Bear - it was 2. 02 million shares at 0. 41p

JG

Hi Informed bear

2 million shares sold @41p per share
Does not work out at £2million

I blame the schools

Depends if we're talking about real millions or Stockbridge millions. It's a bit like "man-inches"

12 Aug 2013 11:08:21
£750k a year. no wonder Ally doesn't do walking away. You would have to drag me out, roughly £2000 per day. every day. I'm a labourer and work 6 days aweek for £2000 a month.

Blue til I die.

12 Aug 2013 12:59:52
You forgot the bonus too and those shares he bought.

For a penny a time.

OP that's it, your a hard workin punter who would give his all to save your club, but there are those within the club who are taking massive ammounts of your money out to line their pockets. Sorry Ally you should be paying Rangers 750k for the privilage of manging them.

1.2 million if you add his bonuses.

OP that's it, your a hard workin punter who would give his all to save your club, but there are those within the club who are taking massive ammounts of your money out to line their pockets. Sorry Ally you should be paying Rangers 750k for the privilage of manging them.

@1. who said be bought the shares? I understand they were gifted by the Club as a bonus.

He's REPORTEDLY on 750k. That will include a bouns. Doubt it's that high tho. WS was on around 300k so really doubt AMC is on more.

24k is good for a labourer!

12 Aug 2013 16:03:46
No wonder rangers are loseing money if ally gets 750 grand a year. what a waste of money. Terry butcher would do a better job for 400 grand a year and the football would be a lot better

Rubbish comment there's not another man in scotland would have suffered what ally has ffs give the man a break and judge him in september

@ all mccoist never walked in and said right a want this he was given those terms by whoever sanctioned it also no person in their right mind would say aw hold on that's to much @8 aye that's how rangers have lost 30 mill because mccoist has had between 1mil-1.5 mil reportedly and also how do you know big terry would do a good job for 400k that's the problem with us fans we wer quick to jump on mccoist and the players backs last season now some are moaning about having to many new players that's how we are in this mess because we are so easelly divided why not everybody just unite and get the board to f**k because ally and the new players are the least of our worries Charles green has played divide and conquer and he's had his time now we need stand united against the board nobody else the rest can be sorted if we still have a club left

N1o hear hear

@9 Please tell me what Ally has SUFFERED. FFS get real.
Tam

@ 10. ally must know he's crap. if he doesn't that's even worse. so when he got the big offer from whoever it was, hard to keep up, he knew he could only do it in the lower divs. with massive advantage and was screwing the club. he will be eaten alive if he gets to the whatever its called now top league. there is no illusion now. every team will come to win.

12 Aug 2013 22:37:59
its now been said rangers are not loesing money every month but do need to make some cuts to see a profit so why your still coming out with the same crap every day just shows u just like to bitch about things u no nothing about when we see the accounts the bitch all u want but as of now please keep your traps shut and focus on the team and how they are playing and not go on about thing nobody really knows anything about I for one would like to come on hear and talk about football

MANDERSON 1872

W. A. T. P

N5 if my memory serves me did amc not buy 4oogrands of shares at 70p or was that crissie boyd

12 Aug 2013 06:54:38
according to daily s. £22mill is gone if this is true something has too be done before were dragged into abyss again. somebodys at it. need too get rid of lot of them fan ownership way ahead. board not worth a f. k bleeding us dry

Said this 2 or 3 months ago what did I get for it absolute sh*te if it's upto the fans to save Rangers this time well il tell you all something we are royally screwed because there's not enough of us who actually give a f*ck to do anything about it!

Larky Bear

Why believe Stockbridge now? Just because he says there is £10m does not mean there is. Audited accounts are due in September the picture will be clearer then.

12 Aug 2013 13:05:33
Am afraid unless the likes of Mr McColl puts in some serious money then it's administration again and a 25 points penalty I think which would make promotion almost impossible with Ally in charge.

I know it would be galling to hand over money to Green but for a BILLIONAIRE it shouldn't be too painful not if you're a true Bear and let's face it he would go down in our history the way Fergus did with Celtic.

Agreed Larky, to many people who just talk a good game.

Im actually shocked at the amount of fans who don't have a clue. They're still banging on about additional signing's, easily duped by Green's nonsense, as long as they can go on a sat then they don't care. They wouldn't really care if the Gers got into mega debt, happily watch other hard working fans fleeced for cash by Green, Stockbridge etc.

Im a strong supporter in getting guys in who care about the survival of the club and not just there for a quick very quick buck. What was it, 3.2 mil bonuses to stockbridge, green, mather, ahmad etc etc etc forpromotion from 3rd division. What about when we are in the championship, how much of a bonus increase do they take on top of that? that's on top of the players wages, stadium upkeep and running costs. Easily 10 - 15 million in debt by the end of this season.

Its all going to come crashing down, its inevitable. The fans haven't galvanised, there's just nowhere for us to follow. Supporters groups are a farce, why are we fationed off, why not unite? Petty differences will kill us in the end. If someone organised a rally/support day or something, we would all go, but leadership is lacking.


Gutted.

GBlue

Is £22m gone that would explain claims of 10-20 years to recover.

Who will invest other than fans, each year.

Agreed Larky, to many people who just talk a good game.

Im actually shocked at the amount of fans who don't have a clue. They're still banging on about additional signing's, easily duped by Green's nonsense, as long as they can go on a sat then they don't care. They wouldn't really care if the Gers got into mega debt, happily watch other hard working fans fleeced for cash by Green, Stockbridge etc.

Im a strong supporter in getting guys in who care about the survival of the club and not just there for a quick very quick buck. What was it, 3.2 mil bonuses to stockbridge, green, mather, ahmad etc etc etc forpromotion from 3rd division. What about when we are in the championship, how much of a bonus increase do they take on top of that? that's on top of the players wages, stadium upkeep and running costs. Easily 10 - 15 million in debt by the end of this season.

Its all going to come crashing down, its inevitable. The fans haven't galvanised, there's just nowhere for us to follow. Supporters groups are a farce, why are we fationed off, why not unite? Petty differences will kill us in the end. If someone organised a rally/support day or something, we would all go, but leadership is lacking.


Gutted.

GBlue

At the time I put out a call here for us to get down and set up some sort of protest camp on Edmiston Drive, but there were no takers.

You're right, our fans are all talk and bluster, and no action. Lazy.

@3. Fergus put his money into celtic and refused to give 1 thin dime to outgoing board members. He did leave a legend only after countless fans persecuting him for pinching every penny. However the hindsight lacking in some celtic fans at the time meant he didn't get the credit he deserves until today. Exactly what would happen at this club. However do you see the likes of ally gifting his shares like a lot of the diaspora of celtic fans did without receiving vast sumd in profit. i'd say NO. Fergus also left the club selling his shares for vast profits and again was criticised for making extremely astute business decisions.

Guys let's be honest what the f can fans do charles green isn't going to listen

@8) perfectly summed up, I loved the "not one thin dime" then and now.

I think part of the criticism received was due to Rangers creeping ever closer to nine in a row and not even being competitive in most seasons, hell Aberdeen were second more times than Celtic in Rangers NIAR. (Aberdeen 5, Celtic 2, the last 2!)

There is one difference in McCann then and any prospective Rangers sugar daddy now. Parkhead needed a total revamp, that, he correctly judged, was his selling point asset. Rangers already have the stadium/training ground infrastructure in place. Therefore it's nowhere near as ripe for picking as Celtic were then. His one moment of genius was having the balls to make Celtic Park 60,000 that has paid for itself so many times over. And you are correct 8) history will judge him well, very well.

Gaz

11 Aug 2013 21:06:15
Mr Mather and his renumeration!

Now I have been brushing up on the latest spin on mr Mather from various high profile rangers people and I even include Ally in this debacle. Everybody seems to think this guy is the bees knees? let's check out some of the known information we have on this guy!

Now he comes in after Chico talks him into investing 1M in the club and he gets a specific role that doesn't last very long because he didn't have the minerals ( namely looking after the youth projects at Murray park ) now I don't really have a major problem in him investing in the club but I believe there where many other people who invested just as much and probably a lot more.

Now let's look at the figures! He invests 1M and after his stint at Murray park and after the board caused havoc with the share price his 1M then is diluted to 750K he then gets the job as chief operating officer ( who sanctioned this post!) and very soon after goes on a charm offensive and mysteriously gets promoted to chief executive officer! ( who sanctioned this!) now I believe his initial salary was £350K the same as Chico was getting and then mysteriously he gives himself a rise to 500K. Now I'm no genius but it looks like mr Mather is doing very well thank you very much! I presume is renumeration as CEO he will further benefit by more shares and expenses etc, etc.
this guy is a complete failure and he is only interested in his investment, let me assure my fellow fans this guy is from the Chico school of finance and he is playing the finance game very well at the moment but PLEASE don't be fooled if he keeps his job then Chico will have another "insider trader" at the very top it is a very compelling case to have him removed along with his pal Stockbridge once these two get removed by the shareholders and hopefully the new board members will listen to the fans and start the cleansing within. This needs to be done I have the list ready if they need any help guiding them through the " great stadium robbery"

Your thoughts fellow bears!

He supposedly has a "succeseful "
packaging company, a sports management company for developing young footballers, and a horse racing setup. which seems to have only one winner in three years.
how does he distribute his time in all these projects, as well as being a ceo for rangers?

What I don't understand is that a business man who has started and built up his own companies, normally would never think of working for someone else. if they are so profitable, why work for rangers fc, when he can be working for himself?
it just doesn't add up.

We had the false spin that Mather on £500k two weeks ago on McMurdo - so this is just Imran rehashing old news.

£360K + £140k bonus on financial reasons.

Compares better than Greens £360k + £360k bonus (for winning div or moving leagues!)

Fans being fed FUD from Green/Imran.

no new info. Mather expensive, Ally fault, McColl no money on table. blah blah

same old same old messages.

( Who sanctioned this! ) - Sorry is this a question or a statement?