Rangers Banter Archive October 03 2012

03 Oct 2012 22:52:52
Hi Ed, with the outcome of our BIG TAX case looming, i think that the end result will end NOT PROVEN ! My reason being is that everyone knew from 2001 till 2011 that we used EBT's, & that our accounts were signed off by the sfa each year without them raising any concern . SDM has has always claimed that everything he did was all above board, so when he produces everything in black & white . All will end well. W.A.T.P

What the SFA said and done and what HMRC VIEW ON EBT's is completely seperate.

With regards to the SFA they are concerned more with dual contracts/side letters and there is already considerable evidence in the public domain to suggest that there was wrongdoing!

Op I think you are getting mixed up. Sfa are bothered about dual contracts

The BTC is the hmrc who will see that it was tax avoidance

Number 2, do you work for hmrc? If not how do you know? Another tim that thinks he knows everything but knows nothing.

Do you actually imagine the SFA were given any real details of the EBTs scheme, such as which specific players/staff were receiving them and how much they were receiving, let alone guys like Souness?

As Campbell Ogilvie said the other night EBTs were legal when the SFA were receving Rangers' accounts so why would anybody think the SFA would probe the matter further, that was a job for HMRC.

Of course Ogilvie's weak response didn't include the fact that EBTs were only legal if administered correctly and no actual proof I've came across has convinced me this was the case. Of course, David Murray has said everything was above board but since he also claims to have been DUPED by CW then I wouldn't trust anything else he says.

The only people duped have been fans like us and let's not forget the fact that the person most responsible for the situation Rangers are in now is David Murray.

BARNEY BEAR

I don't know where you've got the Not Proven verdict from, as this is an appeal the burden is on Rangers to PROVE everything was above board.

If not proven would it have taken so long to review 55+ cases and find no evidence of issue.....

note if there are issues, then each of the 55 cases would need to be reviewed in depth to determine the penalty in each case... this would take months...

clue it has taken months

04 Oct 2012 11:02:56
Not proven is not recognised in tax law.

Win - win for hrmc

if rangers win (no evidence of side contracts - despite some of them being published) then HRMC goes after players for the £25 million.

Should any player have a side contract which they kept secret, they get off scot free, and HRMC reopens the FTT with these side contracts.

So either gers pay up, or players....

HRMC wins in both cases, reports that MAnU, Chelsea and other clubs all falling over to start paying back-tax to HRMC

HRMC wins . no matter what

@3 2 is correct in his explanation.

At 9, right in whose eyes?

At @10 in the eyes of the majority actually

03 Oct 2012 22:02:27
Great to see celtics
major shareholder
looks forward to
seeing Rangers back
challenging in the spl and
Quote " there great HISTORY
AND HUGE FAN BASE source
stv news have a look

Flattery fom septic's major shareholder, beware bears something sinister is going to happen. Maybe he'll order his Lieutenant Liewell to stop chasing after our titles. Tommy S

The point being he
reconises our HISTORY
is still in place as some
of his fans don't

So big Des is rangers friend now.PMSL

@2: history in place, yes, but did he say it could be added to? lol

I can understand some of the posts as it looks like the past 2 RFC owners are pathalogical liars.
But, some owners actually do tell the truth and speak open and honestly as I believe this is the case here.

03 Oct 2012 19:01:16
With all the doom and gloom at the Rangers fc I would just like to congratulate Celtic on their first away win last night. Credit were its due they played well. Just wish it was us. # Jealous guy.

From a Celtic fan, with this thinking of your(and I hope there are many others who think the same as you, which im sure there is) it shows that you fans are changing in your thinking which is good for all. For we need on both sides to stop the bitterness btw the clubs for it is a new era for all of scottishfooball. we can have a go at each other with banter and all but the hate and vile must end, so that something better can come about and I'm sure yous will be back there in time. Just hope the ppl that run your club and rouge fans can take up your logic, cause I know I would say good job if it were yous last night.

Well said from a true football fan

03 Oct 2012 15:16:31
I'm a Celtic fan but my best accomplishment in life are my children. Therefore as a father my deepest condolences to Willie Henderson on his tragic loss. My heart goes out to you at this time. No parent should know this heartache. May God bless you all.

Jim dhoc

03 Oct 2012 11:55:16
craig whyte declared bankrupt.

off the radar billions to pennyless...

Not so bbc have just
announced his lawyers
dropped the bankruptcy
application and settled
the £600 bill he owed

Http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/craig-whyte-profile-the-scots-billionaire-1076110

daily record and this self-made billionaire.... oh how wrong.

Of coarse he didnt go bankrupt he would have lost ibrox

'Murray's aggressive pursuit of European glory eventually saw him writing the kind of cheques that his club could simply not afford.'
the only truth in it.
i think the giveaway was that the self-made millionaire went to a private school and then onto his dads company.
it then jumps straight to owning a castle.
but the best bit is the comments below. .

03 Oct 2012 09:53:29
So sorry to hear about willie hendersons daughter passing away, my thoughts go out to her family and friends!
I have been on here from time to time with some banter but i come in peace today
God bless!

ChalkyBhoy!

03 Oct 2012 09:25:32
apparently Minty has had the Sir removed from his letter headed paper he knows it soon to be removed.

get him wheeled in to court {Ed039's Note - I doubt it, his knighthood has nothing to do with his services to football)

Knighted for services to business in Scotland. When you consider the scale of the fraud he has commited (alleged tax evasion) then in my opinion he will lose his knighthood. {Ed039's Note - I dont agree)

I would argue that David Murray used Rangers to promote his business reputation (how much free advertising in the media did Rangers give him?) and that Rangers are a business too so the Sir will go.

BARNEY BEAR

@2 - bit early for the pantomine season but here goes OH NO IT WONT

JG

He was knighted for services to business in Scotland whilst his whole business group was hopelessly indebted to BOS.
In addition, across his business group, he was running an offshore tax evasion scheme, robbing the British tax payer of £94.4m from Rangers alone. Whilst paying himself at least £6.4m tax free.
Given its us the British people who gave him the knighthood and he was shafting us and heavily indebted and not a very good businessman, the knighthood is untenable.

#JG

I don't claim to be an expert on the stripping of honours. But I'm a huge darts fan and although it's a totally different matter, I know Phil Taylor was given a MBE for his services to darts. And that MBE was stripped for a matter totally outside darts.

BARNEY BEAR

4. well said sir. there has been far too much support for this tax dodging charade. the fans who paid these peoples wages did it with money net of tax. i hope hmrc bills the lot of them. as for knighthoods, this is 2012 not 1220. a f***ing knight ?
who gives a sh!t.

Minty may have received hi gong for services outside of football but they were also business related to how successful he was. His apparent business dealings with Rangers and what is transpiring would have to be solid reasons for reconsidering the award. Especially as it appears he may have evaded tax and the Government (aka Her Majesty's Government) dont take that too lightly. If the club is found not guilty or not proven then stripping of title is a non-starter.

03 Oct 2012 08:31:44
Ed - I feel there is no longer any point in going on this site for news and rumours about rangers as all this site has become is platform for Celtic fans to have a dig. Why do you even allow half of this dross to be posted? I have been reading through this today and there are more tims on here than bears! {Ed039's Note - This is a forum for banter and craic as well mate, and I dont personally edit every post that goes on. You should actually see some of the ones that dont make it, and that is from both sides of the divide. Other Eds support other clubs and maybe some posts dont actually mean anything to them when I would personally delete a certain post, they might post it, but these are busy wee sites and all the Eds do a great job IMO to try and keep things civil so there is a laugh but everyone is entitled to an opinion)

Celtic fans have only been appearing on here since last year, nowhere to be seen for 3 years, greatest fans in the world only when winning, they would never have backed their team the way rangers fans have over last 6 months if roles were reversed, anyone can stick a scarf on when team is winning.

Well said ED. It's posters like this that take the fun out of these pages.It's a laugh and a noise up,exactly what you do with your mates............green jhedi {Ed039's Note - GJ, I often get it poked at me that Ed007 doesnt post anything from Rangers fans on the Celtic site which of course I know is a load of nonesense as he used to post my posts before I became an Ed. It is exactly what these sites are for)

Its just the celtic fans way of trying to say that they need Rangers! Have a peek on their forum and notice that with due respect, we are not that bothered about them! Says it all really.

@ 1) Actually my ill informed blue friend, we put our hands in our pockets and saved our club. Did your fans do the same when Mr Murray did the 50 mill shares issues that MAY have saved you? Pity you didn't put your hands in your pockets sooner and maybe actually saved Rangers Football Club.

@4 We will wake up and do something for our club----------------If your septic led spl steal our trophies we'll boycott anything that may help your already dying league.

Number 4, behave. Anyone buying football shares is a mug, end of!!

@6 So you won't be buying any that Charlie put's up for grab's then,even if it is to save The Rangers,not a die hard then ?.
Tam

You cant argue with 4). The fans did buy into the share issue. Wee Fergus was shrewd and went about his business quietly and efficiently He said he would stay for 5 years and leave with a profit and, get the supporters to own part of the club with a share issue - he did. All the posts who talk about Rangers share issue failing are missing a wee bit. It was a rights issue which effectively meant people buying rights from the club at a higher rate than the open market so it's understandable that the supporters did not rush in. Green is saying similar things to Fergus but does not know when to shut-up and get on with repairing all the damage done.

03 Oct 2012 01:10:05
A lot of Rangers fans on here tonight congratulating Celtic, very magnanimous and I applaud you all for it. Good stuff guys.

Gaz

No point n beatin round the bush Gaz. We have to give credit where credit is due.

TTG {Ed039's Note - It was a fantastic result for the Celtic)

Seconded. ....green jhedi

Hey ED, we're not called The Celtic. Lol. But thanks to all the good Gers.

Best wishes to the Henderson family.

Shuggy

@3 Shuggy don't be childish, the man was congratulating us for our result.Cheer's ED.
Tam

@ 4 lighten upits a banter page no need to be so grown up ...fuzzy

@ 5 I am grown up mate and can accept congratulation's from people without trying to be smart and get one over on them. If there were more grown up people on both site's maybe we could get rid of all this bigotry $hit
Tam

03 Oct 2012 00:21:21
Celtic have won more games in the Champions League than The Rangers have in the 4th tier of Scottish football.

�800K for a win, no too bad eh?

3-0 at lyon against lyon with benzema playing for lyon, 3-2 against 2nd rate russian side is no 3-0 against french champions is it? but welldone you have waited long enough for an away win.... even bratislava are still scratching the heeds as to how they gubbed you lot lol

No don't think you have try again

Dragging out a game against lyon to score points is really sad..........green jhedi

If they are a 2nd rate Russian team what are peterhead, annan and Berwick, please stop embarrassing us fellow bears. {Ed039's Note - Great post)

Stupid to pretend that wasn't a great result for celtic last night, football in Russia and Ukraine is on the rise (& Belarus judging by the Bate result) and no win in the CL away from home is easy.

My point though is this time last year Neil Lennon's jaiket was on a shoogly peg at Parkhead and though they would hate to admit it many Celtic fans were unhappy with his management of ther club.

Ally remember is basically over a year behind Lennon in managerial terms and so some Bears really might regret calling for him to go this time next year.

Just a thought.

BARNEY BEAR

03 Oct 2012 15:34:48
To No. 2...try again..Rangers have played 6 games in Div 3 ...3 wins and 3 draws==12 points sitting second ( for another couple of days anyway)

celtic have played 6 games in Champions league
5 wins and 0ne draw....

petty i know but you did comment on it...( incorrectly)

JohnnyG
p.s. the op did say Champions League not just group stages

How is ally a year behind lennon ya muppet. allys 50 now he has been an assistant to smith for years and hes all the manager he is ever going to be. He wont see out the season as green will get shot of him when rangers get stuffed in the other two cups. lennon started from scratch and look at the squad of players he has with a brilliant backroom staff as well. Stick to the 3rd division ally and let lennon go toe to toe with the european big guns.

@ 7),

Neil Lennon would also struggle if he were McCoist's position. Lennon has had the luxury of transfer budgets and decent wage budgets, McCoist has had no such thing. McCoist had to endure a 10 point deduction and work under extreme circumstances, Lennon has had no such thing.

McCoist has now had to deal with over 25 players leaving and trying to to tempt decent players to the THIRD division of Scottish football on an extremely limited wage budget.

Neil Lennon's managerial career has been a luxury compared to McCoist's. Lennon would have walked by now if he was in McCoist's position.

TTG

@ttg, you are kidding everyone rigt? For do you not remember the shambles of a club Lennon had to start with, he had to get rid of almost every player and start new with the most expensive player been 2.5mill, while yous were buying 4mill plus and winning the league, so he had to suffer a couple of seasons(even thought he came really close).No transfer big spending and have to rebuild a team on a small budget, not to mention all the death threats (living in a safe house, bombs nullets ect)for a year being manager trying to bring respect back to the club, so I think he had to deal with ALOT more then ally has. If Lennon would have walked in all's place, then what would ally have done in Lennon's place? you can't even compare the two for Lennon had more then football and a bad team to deal with and he stayed and has proven to all what he is made of and how good of a manager he could be. You have to admit that right? Whether you like him or not, and I'm not making this up it is all facts so you can't ignore that.

@5. i think you meant a light year.

@8 do you not agree that taking spl players on 5 grand a week to compete in 3rd is a luxury transfer budget ?? ... fuzzy

02 Oct 2012 23:07:54
A few on here were talking about making a fortune betting on cl. How you doing with that ? Now if you had took the odds at half time like many of us did you would be well up. 6 games now no losses. Somebody hurting there and money going straight to us. Keep it up,.its helping the odds. And as for allys team , kerching

Wot, no replies ?

Lol, 1 win and they are world beaters. Living up to 'sing when you are winning ' tag.