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18 Jun 2013 16:44:04
1.) 18 Jun 2013 19:25:38
18 Jun 2013 11:30:11
1.) Aye, only in Scotland could we have two of it's biggest clubs mire themselves so deep in debt that they expire with an inability to pay. Mind you, Hearts aren't dead, yet.
18 Jun 2013 11:27:20
1.) Another awful signing in McCoists on going clamour to get bodies in, still he'll be company for Daly on the treatment table. Why do we need so many players to play in a mickey mouse league? and, how can we afford this? I am beginning to think these signings are a rouse to sell STs instead of addressing the real issues Ticketus, Whyte, Green, Ahmed, Sevco etc etc and who owns Ibrox of course, we need answers and still not a word from McCoist or Smith except trying to part us from our money.
18 Jun 2013 11:02:38
18 Jun 2013 10:35:31
1.) I have little sympathy for hearts fans. I have taken a lot of stick from hearts fans I know, but what really pissed me of was after being called cheats, being accused of not paying bills, poor creditors ect. I read that one high profile hearts fan declaring that they might have dodged a bullet with the two Lithuanian companies being liquidated that it might mean hearts don't have to pay a penny. I find this statement completely stupid and two faced, but that's mp's for you.
2.) Maybe next year will also see the Arsenal and LA Galaxy games as opposed to FC Emmen!
3.) "treated as badly as rangers were. " Get a grip. Until fan's realise that Rangers went bust a year ago there will be no moving one. Many SPL teams were in a dire financial state a year ago. It's really sad when Rangers fans take credit for their downfall. If you think about it, these teams voted not to allow a new debt-free The Rangers to the top flight, even though they knew it would be a further nail in their coffin. That may make them stupid, but does show integrity.
4.) Lol, somebody using the word "integrity" about scottish football, "get a grip"!
5.) No 4 - what would your answer be to integrity then?
7.) The biggest club in Scotland, lol. that's Celtic FC my friend and you and everyone else knows it. Keep telling yourself that and you might start believing it. Men with white coats on the way. martyc1888
18 Jun 2013 09:52:54
18 Jun 2013 09:30:36
1.) Supposedly the new kit is being released at the end of July
2.) Blackthorn deal gone DRY
18 Jun 2013 08:54:21
1.) Appreciate your dilemma but don't put the blame on the club - we don't have a vote on any of this as we're still an associate club, this is forced on us by the SPFL
2.) Mate I know it is a pain but I drove to that S***HOLE in north for 5 years as kids were up there and it take tops 2 hours and you can do in 90 mins so finishing at 4 as most do on a friday these days you have plenty of time. people coming from ulster and London have far bigger shout. george
3.) Vth you need to take that up with the spfl, you can't blame rangers for this one,
4.) In VTH defence depending on what side of Aberdeen you work (e. g Bridge of Don ) it can take you 50 mins + to get over the Dee onto the main drag and then the speed cameras it would be tight to catch the kick off IMO
5.) None the youth will be near the team this year look at the signings old pros etc
17 Jun 2013 22:23:39
1.) Murray is our worst owner?
2.) Why is he the worst chairman
3.) The worst owner rubbish if it essentially for DM you wouldn't have had all the successes in the last years he built rangers up when crowds of about5000
4.) Do you think you have been lied too, where are the hero, s double act smith and mccoist ther silence is deafening is that ther super power, what a shambles you are still in, do something about it it is getting a national joke, but can I ask will the rangers flags be in the England side at wembley as they have been the last few times
5.) David holmes built up the crowds by bringing in souness who then brought in class players from england. holmes and souness started the reveloution. it was souness who brought murray to ibrox if anything. murray the great mith of rangers f. c
6.) He (allegidly) didn't put a penny of his own money in mate! Borrowed from the bank, moved money around to keep MIH afloat, back into RFC again then repeated the process. His borrowing got too much and hence when the banks merger occurred they wanted their cash back. Sir DM then transferred his majority shareholding to none other than Craig Shyte for a £1. And don't think for a minute DM was hoodwinked by him either! He knew who he was giving the club to. So yes, DM is very much responsible for the start of the demise of RFC, and in my eyes he isn't the worst owner, but second to CW. So Billy go away and stop spouting total rubbish!
7.) Little touch of in-fighting, oh the comedy just gets better.
8.) #5. Well said. A lot of younger fans who go on about our history are still ignorant of the role David Holmes played in revitalizing the club.
9.) SDM was the worst EBT beneficiary pocketing a cool £6m offshore tax free. Buying vineyards and stuff, i'm sure he had an apartment in Monaco. He took out the club huge amounts. Regardless of the answers above (out of ibrox/ Charlotte?) why isn't it renamed as promised? Are folks ok about being lied to?
10.) Op are you seriously telling us that 38000 bears bought tickets because they thought they were getting a chance to rename a training ground, don't think so
17 Jun 2013 19:04:37
1.) Is Carstorphine in Edinburgh?
17 Jun 2013 17:40:07
1.) You forgot the illegal transfer embargo and the complaints made to the ASA.
2.) I wonder if you're paranoid, OP.
3.) Your post has quite a venomous tone and u can't draw too many comparisons between what happened to Rangers and what may happen to Hearts. It's a sad situation for the club and any Rangers fan taking satisfaction from this is just as bad as the people who took great delight from our demise
4.) All of the above should happen except from 1. Or is it a conspiracy and paranoia?
5.) I wonder if a certain manager will be saying ( youl wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with pepsodent ) an old tv ad from the past doug t. s. o
6.) Your 100% right mate, scotlands top league can't afford to lose hearts, no glasgow derby then possibly no edinburgh derby. what sponser or tv company would pay for that, watch out for a cover up and rule bending to keep them up, hope rangers legal team are watching closely!
7.) HMRC are in the minority of creditors here. 90% of hearts debt is to Romanov & Ukio bank.
8.) Mate let it go. let's leave the bitterness and hatred behind. I saw a new young breed of fans at Ibrox last year. let's not corrupt their minds. New beginings and all that my good man. Blue till I die. Proud of it.
9.) Op here number 2 thinks I am paranoid, except everything posted is true.
10.) @6). Rangers legal team lol. Is there's not a cap on Legal Aid? HH Joe
11.) Op so you think your club can f. k over scores of creditors, the people of Britain and just told everything is ok and please carry on as before?
12.) 18 Jun 2013 06:33:07
13.) @9 but 88 Bears took £50m out of ibrox in tax-avoiding EBT scandal and whole of media knew about it and would not print.
14.) @5/ you need to see a medical person mate. Why bring lennon into this? Not posted for weeks then bring lennon into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Now that's obsession.
15.) @9/ Are you really that twisted that you don't see the facts? Whyte, therefore Rangers, deliberately withheld social taxes and private contract payments. Rangers were still racking up debt when they knew administration was inevitable.
16.) 18 Jun 2013 12:05:25
17.) Get facts right hearts have paid the tax bill
17 Jun 2013 17:30:22
1.) No conspiracy. The problem was the time it took to have the bank in Lithuania dealt with. They were just lucky that's all.
2.) 17 Jun 2013 22:01:24
3.) Absolutely correct, looking after their own incomes again, the only people who didn't know they were insolvent were the SPL board.
4.) Whyte took rangers into admin midseason to be clear for next season in SPL.
5.) Look the long and the short of it is if Hearts go into liquidation as we (Rangers)did they will have to reapply and if it excepted 3rd division as we had to. if they don't go into liquidation and manage to beat the 15 points next season they will stay up. if they do get better treatment than us that's the time for singing and dancing
17 Jun 2013 11:38:37
1.) Foxy, if you don't want to buy a ST, don't buy one, don't be a sheep. And what exactly do you know about Prior? The only thing I can figure about him is that he tells wee porkies!
17 Jun 2013 11:35:22
1.) Aprox 14,000 so far mate
2.) There has been literally some sold.
3.) Yeah and we had sold a couple of hundred last year, all of a season there was 38,000. yawn with this kinda talk. there will be a good few full houses again this season. but with the Celtics being in uefa cup, as they will be, as they won't get through three qualifying games. we will again have the highest atendances
4.) @3/ Do you really believe that rubbish? Celtics attendances were bigger than Rangers that's a fact. Did you think Celtic would get through to the group stage last year? Would you just love to be in Europe this season? And by the way Celtic sold 43k season tickets last year
17 Jun 2013 11:30:48
1.) Our means are dictated in part by the fans, based on last season we have SPL levels of attendance, infact based on last season we have more than SPL levels so just because we are in the 2nd division does not mean we have to be at a par with Airdrie and Stenhousemuir
17 Jun 2013 07:41:22
1.) Could you not have worked out that the bonus system was a joke yourself? The whole spending at the club is out of control, and still Ally wants to increase the wage bill.
2.) The point is that yes most semi intelligent people could work out the 'wages' and 'bonuses' for Board AND Ally/Durrant/McDowall are a joke. HE IS FIRST OF THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL PEOPLE to bring it out honestly and openly with a clever comparison using Goldman Sachs as a guide. It needs the people in charge to cleanse Rangers as Ally put it. note Mr MaCoist or our trusted WS have never mentioned this crazy unsustainable wage structure. hmmmm I wonder why. george
17 Jun 2013 01:23:41
1.) Spoken from the heart will said mate.
2.) Ill keep it simple a true Gers fan and we don't do walking away.
3.) Well done mate, think we all have went through all those emotions!
4.) Why buy pay at the gate for me still not seen the deeds or any info regarding how much for blackthorn/stadium naming/puma deals still no questions being asked
5.) 17 Jun 2013 18:56:38
6.) I was thinking the same as op but yes I did the same renewed both my st I can't say enjoyed the football played last season but the club needs my money right now the signings so far have been decent and i'm sure or I hope the standard will be better its ok saying pay at the gate but it would end up going to a few games against the better teams if you can say that about div 2 so the income of the club would go down then if and when we get back into spl do I then just renew my st while others have put money in to get us there no for me i'm in for the long hall bit like getting married it in sickness and health right now we are sick but its curable
7.) The attidude and feelings of the poster, is what these guy play on exploit, I don't understand why you put the st money in their control, paying at the gate is the only way.
16 Jun 2013 21:26:40
1.) 17 Jun 2013 21:47:07
16 Jun 2013 15:40:49
1.) Thought would not accept spl rules seems they have changed there minds king lawell will soon put them in there place
2.) N1 its not spl rules it won't be called the spl
3.) @1 spl no longer exists neither does the sfl they have merged
4.) Ed039 what rule book are they going to use and when does it come into effect?
16 Jun 2013 13:29:17
1.) I'd def like to see hately sign. A solid right back who can take a corner and hit a decent free kick.
2.) Why do so many Rangers fans want to see us sign him? He is very average and had his name been Tom Smith no one woud be talking about him as a potential signing
3.) I know he's not Scottish but I see Strachan was on the verge of calling him upto the national side is that because his names Hately aswell or is it because Behind Mulgrew & the boy from St Mirren he's probs the best set peice taker in the country?
4.) This would be a bad signing!. He is not consistant enough and the crown would get on his back as he can be a sloppy passer. We should not be signing people just because they take a good free kick. He is not his dad and fans a romanticising with the past. Should we bring Darren Ferguson in as manager just because his dad is Sir Alex?.
16 Jun 2013 11:27:36
1.) It is not 10 home games, I think you will find most if not all will be away games
2.) Might have missed
3.) Get a grip! it will be most if not all away game. Any excuse!
4.) Billy h. It says 10 rangers games on pretty much every report in the media!
5.) BT have the right 30 SPL games and 10 Rangers games some of the 40 games could be on a Friday night I would imagine any Old Firm team involvement would be away to maximize TV viewing. AJM.
6.) The contract apparently states 10 rangers games but does not stipulate all have to be friday night games at ibrox as the op was making out, bt
7.) Their prospectus proposes 20 top flight games & 10 Rangers division 2 games.
8.) @4 cheers. seen were it says 10
9.) We need the money as st is only revenue stream confirmed
15 Jun 2013 21:19:58
1.) I understand your wariness Baybear. We've been put through the ringer and only the most resilient (or beautifully naive) would have escaped the last 2 years without their optimism damaged. By all accounts though, this Prior guy is a good lad and pretty astute and after all the shenanigans I'm sure he realizes that all he needs to do to win the support over is give us the truth about what's going on at our club (we've been ready to hear it for a wee whily). Saying the directors are being overpaid is a perfect example, everybody knows it but it took this guy to come in from the outside and state the obvious. Let's see what else he's got. Duccablue
2.) Your suspicious baybear? why is that, is it because a man from manchester from a traditional irish background claims to be a rangers fan. or is it a very intellgent man is pi$$ing up your leg and telling you it raining. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it. other than raise the millions required to take over the club our selfs. because at the end of the day anyone who can raise that sort of money can buy the club for good or bad. I WAS ALSO SURPRISED TO HERE THE BOARD ARE OVER PAYING THEMSELVES. who could have figured that one.
3.) #2. Aye, doesn't take a 234 IQ (well according to the DR anyway) to work out that the board are overpaying themselves.
15 Jun 2013 17:15:22
1.) Great, that's all we need is another midfielder and where in team would he play? if he was having such a great season at huddersfield why was he released and why hasn't he been snapped up by championship clubs. BT
15 Jun 2013 16:43:03
1.) If goian is retiring why would we have to pay till end of contract? I wouldn't mind if they bothe stayed because we need to make sure our defense ain't keepin us in a game with the talent in our squad higher up we need to make sure were scoring a bucket load ever game! kum on ally
15 Jun 2013 13:52:06
1.) We won't be signing any CBS if we keep boca and goian
2.) Boca and goian coming back, unless someone makes an offer for either why do we need more centre half s?
3.) Firstly bocanegra and goian will both be leaving as both wages are not feasable for rangers. Boca heading back to the MLS and no concrete intrest in goian as of yet but HE WILL be leaving. On the signing front we are going to sign zaliukas by the end of next week, no other news on center halfs joining. Scott arfield is 85% a done deal, a few wee stumbling blocks but should get the deal done.
4.) @2 there is no way either will be back as neither player wants to play in Div 2 and we can't afford them. Expect both to be given free transfers just to get them off the wage bill
5.) @2 let's be honest, goian and bocca won't be staying due to international reasons, so we really do need centre backs, unless your happy to go with the same dross as last season?
6.) Goian statedafew months ago he was retiring I know he has a year left on rangers contract so he will retire wither he is looking for a wage to walk away or leaving gracefully iwe can only wait and see
7.) @3/I can guarantee Arfield will not sign.
15 Jun 2013 13:36:35
1.) McManus is murder and Webster hasn't got it mentally to play infront of big crowds. No thanks to either.
2.) I am assuming your on he wind up? Neither player would do at Ibrox McManus is a cart horse and Webster had a mental issue playing for Rangers
15 Jun 2013 13:16:01
1.) So does that make every employee of Google, Vodaphone, ebay, and for that matter previous employees of RFC tax evaders. Mate stop giving sweeping statements they are utterly stupid.
2.) So by that argment we can't trust you either as you (claim to be) an ex-employee?
3.) The statement is utterly factual mate albeit hardly relevant.
4.) OP here. No an employee. In Frankfurt. MesseTurm. 25th floor. I left as the made me sick.
5.) 15 Jun 2013 23:57:40
6.) Well done OP. a man (or lady) or principle
15 Jun 2013 12:00:22
1.) The guy is just stating facts. From boardroom to grass roots the wages are ridiculous. A second division club, losing money, should be cutting costs not increasing them. A finance director getting a bonus for the team winning the league? A third division manager on 750k per year? I do agree on the accounts though, something smells with them.
2.) The question is why are all these investors interested in a club that is losing £1m/month? what are our actual assets other than ST money? Rangers seem like some shady "front" company for conmen, hopefully Mr Prior will be different and will run Rangers as a football club and start to rebuild our reputation.
3.) Kieran would have to be a black sheep among his family and friends growing up if he did indeed support the Gers. They are all Celtic daft and I feel we need to be very wary here.
4.) 15 Jun 2013 13:53:04
5.) Prior friend of MM - so at last we see sensible concerns about costs.
6.) @4 how do you know we are not losing a £million a month? The interim accounts showed we lost £5 million in the first 5 months in spite of the majority of the season ticket income. Where have the savings come, how much of the £22million from share issue is left? Why no audited accounts? If nothing else this new investor is asking the questions the majority of sensible bears are asking. We all hope there is no problem but come on let's see the audited accounts. let's see the actual position. I will renew my season ticket but I am worried
15 Jun 2013 11:39:52
1.) 15 Jun 2013 16:00:05
2.) That's good
3.) @1/ Oh dear. Look at the structure of the deal. LA Galaxy and Arsenal? So you believe Green then?
4.) The shops profits don't go to the club. It goes to sports direct guy from Newcastle and the merchandising company directors green and Stockbridge.
5.) @4 the company is 51% owned by RIFC and 49% sports direct retail, get it right
15 Jun 2013 10:55:28
1.) Yet again bending the rules for your club and I bet you would say its all Celtic running the show and want you gone right? If it was Celtic running things you would have any special treatment and would be the same as any other club and just face the punishments. But that's not the case and you still think you are not being treated fairly
2.) @1. Grow up you fool. We had no input in any discussions for new league or its rules. Your just another of them who hates the fact were still going. You wanted us dead and it never happened. Your hatred never died Just like the famous rangers of Glasgow. We are still the people.
3.) @1 is relegated to the 3rd division not a punishment? Go back to your own page And stop obsessing, we know you are missing us, but it's becoming tedious now.
4.) @1 note the site name rangers banter- are you lost? As a bear I have no interest in what's happening in the east end. Why the fixation with all things blue? Get a life
5.) RFC were never relegated. That's a historical fact that can never be changed.
6.) You should see them on LSE. CO. UK- share page. All new posters, and everyone of their comments about shares is on the RIFC page. They get everywhere, little vermin.
7.) This is 1, I don't hate you as you may think so think you need to calm down a wee bit. I always wanted to see a match btw the two clubs yet sadly never will for your former legends which you blindly followed lead to your end. Have you not notice how many of you fans keep blaming Celtic and say they run everything on this page? It's not hate just trying to help you wake up already and look in the mirror
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