Rangers Banter 2

22 May 2013 15:14:15
The RST seem to be reacting to the share holder and proxy vote idea with the publication today of the rules and a form to be filled in to allow them to use shares in a block vote. Baybear from small acorns grows the mighty Oak! So well done perhaps we have started something that will be hard to stop! Eastbear.

Still the problem of Green, Ahmad and Blue Pitch lingers though. Things need to be handled very delicately are the RST the men for the job

Eastbear- indeed mate, you can only do what you can. I've had correspondence from them and they seem to want what we want. Just waiting on permission to post their responses to my emails. Asked out of courtesy.
@1 agree, it is delicate and only time will tell if they are the men for the job. Happy that they seem to be responding to the supporters concerns though. I repeat again though, the only real way to ensure your voice is heard is to become part of the RST. They are only as effective as their members and we can make them what we want them to be if we're willing to join the movement.

In my opinion Green, Ahmad and Blue Pitch all want to sell.
The trick is for them to sell a sizeable minority to a fans proxy.
We also need to keep Smith, McCoist and Murray on board.
No Easdales either.

@3/ And there's the problem. Green backs the easedales apparently.

@4/
Your right.
And to counter this they can be vetted.
A bit of investigative journalism perhaps.

@5/ They can be vetted all day but if Green wants to sell to them there's nothing anyone can do. As for the fit and proper nonsense, one would pass it for sure.

@6/
I follow what you are saying.
However I don't think Green will be bothered too much if the Easdale's don't get his shares. He just wants to take his profit and high-tail it out.

The mood amongst Rangers fans is that we only want people on the board who we know about and who we believe will act straightforwardly.

Too much publicity may put the Easdale's off and Green could perhaps be persuaded to sell to someone else to take a bit of any heat, that may be coming his way, off.

@7/ Your forgetting one thing, Green has a stake in EVERY other income stream into Ibrox. He will not let this go cheaply, he will be around for a long time yet.

@7/
Green wants to go and we want him gone.

22 May 2013 12:57:09
It is incredible to think that Cardiff City have more players in the Scotland squad than Glasgow Rangers. But apart from Conway and Marshall we also have McNaughton and Cowie who have played in recent seasons. Not forgetting Burke and Kenny Miller who we let go. And Neil Alexander who went to you. This is not a piss take- I grew up knowing that Rangers were a great club and am sure will be again. All Celtic do is pinch our players (Ledley/ Matthews)

Redbird.

How exactly did Celtic 'pinch' your players? Were they not out of contract and free to go to whichever club made an offer?

I grew up knowing you lot as the Bluebirds and not sell outs lol

Enjoy your year in the Premiership mate.

They love playing in the champions league, maybe they'll come back to you when you qualify. so that will be never then. shammy

Two fair responses. But it is galling when you develop players and they are signed by vultures who can pay high signing on fees as they avoid transfer payments. Yeah, we may only last a season but £60 million for finishing bottom (which we wont) should soften the blow. Just think what the Bears could do with that!

Redbird

They love picking uo a big wage for minimal work playing against spl teams. Could of took same money to play in the big boy league down south.

@op it's hardly something to shout about that you's get rangers cast offs and celtic come and take your best players for nothing

Redbird the sad fact is we could have bought and sold you. and we have blew it big time
but don't poke the injured bear with a stick son
wounds heal

Red neck are you sure you've grew up yet and what team did your manager play for you know the guy who got u up after years of failures
and guys like ledley and mathews wern't pinched they just showed ambition and fancied a shot at playin for a big team and howz the great club getting on these days

@ Redbird : Its not all about taking your best players. Remember we took Glen Loovens from you. Cheers. DH

22 May 2013 12:15:19
Personally I don't think any of the names being touted will sign with the exception of Nicky Clark, who let's face it is on peanuts at QOS

Rangers simply can't afford to pay Premier Wages, lost millions this season and now people think the club is going to increase the wage bill by signing 5 or 6 players from SPL! I don't think so!

Remember Goian and Bocanegra are about to return from loan!, if they can't be moved on again right away that is a huge drain on the club!

Dont hold your breath for these signings!

I think QOS are due a development fee for Clark as well. Not a lot of money but is it classed as buying him?

Remember we lost about 20 first team players before the season started, so I don't think our wage bill is that big. If we punt Goian and Bocanegra, we'll still be well within our budget. Pete

Sorry no (2)"our wage bill is not that big"?
Its massive for the division we just stuttered through?
Did you miss the headlines, statments, saying we running on a monthly budget that is in the negative?
We need to cut wages, not add to them? are we so blinded that the fact no accounts have yet been produced means nothing?
Oh my god! its another year without European Football, where we have the chance to add money for better players etc instead we go further into debt signing more players on £5000 a week god. there definitely no accountants on our board or they'd be crapping themselves at this farce.

I hope he doesn't sign any of these 30 year olds and journeymen, its ridiculous to even think about signing players like these, what is the long term goal? another year of watching overpaid dross play dire football badly? how can this be seen as taking us forward? is any of it true or more hype and lies to sell season tickets? either way McCoist has proved yet again that Rangers are not his primary interest, he has got to go.

22 May 2013 21:37:56
ok don't see how u can have a go at the (2) poster as we have had our budget cut by a lot with all the lads leaving the club and there was only 7 players at training before ally put this team together and they were not all top earners at the club rangers also get season ticket / tv money and sponser witch will probably cover the budget of wages yes we need to cut down still because the league we are in that doesn't mean we are paying boys above our budget
you will probably find when we say we can't pay spl wages it means the likes of 8k-12k p/w for players maybe more like what we done before they boys that come in will be on about 4k-6k pw witch will be within our budget

#3 our financial year only ends on 30th June its only after that will you see year end accounts
We had the interim accounts and that's why we know we were losing 1m per month

22 May 2013 12:06:52
Sir David Murray
you can bring in whoever you like, you can muddy the waters all you like, you can try and twist and turn this debacle all you like, but you sir are still to blame for this
i will always blame you sir. hope every Rangers fan knows this
hope you get what's coming for the way you have tossed us away to the wolves without another thought
and in the coming months as this comes to a head Rangers fans should never never forget what you have done. Les

Absolutely Les, couldn't agree more.
Courted the media when it suited for years with his fantasy tales then disappeared without a trace. he knew what was coming and didn't have the balls to admit it.

Didn't hear you complain when we signed Ronald De Boer? Pete

Yes baybear all these fanny, s are just an aside to the Sir David big letdown
not even a letdown but a throw away
we were thrown away like an old newspaper once read we were binned
yip your right, once Rangers had given his ego a boost with very little of his own money, and his own money mismanagement took hold its adios amigo, s and who gives a F@@k
yes Rangers helped make Sir David one of the most famous men in scotland. now he, s making us infamous

Pete. do you not think that even Rangers fans were scratching there heads with the big signings. tore andre flo. yes a player the Chelsae fans called snow drop. a player nicknamed snow drop in scottish football I ask you
yes pete we were to loyal to Sir David
to unquestioning. I remember David Edgar asking questions on the radio and someone had a word in his ear and he was never heard of again yes mistakes were made and are still being made the right questions are not being asked of the right people
1 question i, d like asked is to the banks who gave the money to Sir David. how did you expect to get this money back?

Bunch of judas. Never heard any not one single peep before the event. Apart from one director who either left or was pushed. Hindsight f@&kin brilliant.

SDMs to blame make no mistake.
The added shame is people like Walter Smith and McCoist and Jardine will never come out and say a word against him because they floated in the gravy boat on the gravy train with him and they are still doing it post him.

Pete- I won't argue with that. I loved every minute of watching the likes of De Boer, Laudrup, Van Bronkhorst, Gascgoine etc etc. I was also totally sucked in by Murray (apart from the later Casino tales etc). When all seems well and you're winning titles/cups, playing in the champions league, building state of the art training grounds etc you have no need to ask questions. Murray kept delivering and as the years passed it just got better and better. I make no apologies for being an excited, trusting supporter. If you are a Rangers supporter or had been in our position all those years of success I'd imagine you would have bought into the dream too. or are you just too intelligent for that mate? Would you have been the 1 in thousands demanding answers for questions that didn't exist at the time as far as we knew? naw! didnae think so. There's nothing worse than someone perpetuating hindsight as intelligence. You knew f**k all the same as the rest of us. So let's just accept we were all led up the garden path and do something about our future instead of trying to get one up on folk posting their opinion.

Sir DM had no choice but to sell to get potential liability of BTC, Lloyds were and are breathing down his neck. There is one man, if he can be called that, and that man is Craig Whyte. He came with his only desire to put us into admin. he thought the BTC was to happen in October, when delayed he stopped paying PAYE and NI. The amazing thing is that nobody has questioned where the money went. There was £8m in the bank when he took over three weeks later he took in £13m in season ticket sales. He sold players and bought players but the net figure was a profit. Where is that money, because in 5 months £21m plus £2m prize money plus transfer fees had gone. Even if £1m loss a month, then there should be plenty left.
Sir DM was backed into a corner but CW was to blame.

@8- aye, he had Lloyds breathing down his neck as they wanted their money back. Debt that he racked up against our club in pursuit of an unattainable dream. leading us to believe he was bankrolling it along the way. If it wasn't for SDMs reckless spending of other peoples money there would have been no Craig Whyte for us to discuss.

N. o 8 and why was he backed in a corner? spending to much on his play thing and now his play things broken
out in the bin with it. with not a word spoken just like his basketball club
but hey if your called to charlotte square you better tug your forelock
and feel sorry for him that he was duped by Whyte. AYE RIGHT

@8 so if there was £8 million in the bank, why was that not used to clear the debt with Lloyd's?

@Les &Baybear.
All valid points pertaining to SDM.
However, let's not forget the relentless ferocity from outside agencies in which our club was attacked. A relentless pursuit based on vicious and ill informed predictions and negative propaganda fuelled by nothing more than a deep entrenched hatred of our club.
It was the fear of the BTC that done for us in the end. A fear compounded by lies, embelishment, illegal means, and ill informed
opinions. Do you think any of this was coincidence? Do you think there is any justification for it?
The debt was manageable and was being reduced of that there is no doubt. The bank panicked, CW panicked, and the roof fell in.
And guess what, it was all a big exaggerated red herring. Yes I am aware HRMC have appealed, but all the predictions suggest that the LNS decision will be upheld. Therefore the allegations were nothing more than vicious, and unwarranted propaganda, fuelled by enemies of our club who wanted nothing other than the death of RFC.
Let's not forget that.

Dark forces were at work, rememberthe RTC? A breach of this country's privacy laws and the data protection act. Remember also, that they portrayed a vision of what we now know were exaggerated untruths. It was all done with one thing in mind, to bring our club to it's knees. Then you have the football authorities.
Ou supposed guardians, who pre judged us, blackmailed us, all based on overhyped propaganda.
They say there are two sides to a story, and there is good and bad in everything. We are most definitely seeing the bad at this time.
People say it's time to move on, forgive and forget, start afresh.
I say what about remembering all the things that were good about our club prior to the spivs. We have a history, a good name, and a tradition, to uphold and defend, against those who remain devoted to our downfall. We are not merely a Football club to these people. It goes way beyond that, and is entrenched in religious vitriol and hatred towards Rangers.
Moses, and William Mcneil, William Mcbeath, and Peter Campbell deserve better.
Bill Struth, Scott Symon, Willie Waddell, Jock Wallace and the rest, deserve better. We should fight for them, for that tradition based on their dreams and achievements.
A few rogue directors should never be able to tarnish our name, and we definitely should not allow our enemies to get away with it.
It seems to me that amongst all that's going on at present, that there are too many who are prepared to just let all that go. Rangers Football Club means more to me than that.
P. O. B.

Well, plenty of Rangers fans were demanding big signings every season - i'm sure some of you guys did too and Murray delivered every time. As somebody said earlier, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but also we probably wouldn't have 9 in a row/Murray Park without David Murray. A lot of short memories on here. Pete

@13 Murray funded all this with money he tapped the bank for and all the s/t money and merchandise being sold then he set up the ebt's which he Tain 6 mill from so by my reckoning he didn't spend one dime of his own money that's why his fortune grew and grew he didn't need the banks money so I personally think he's responsible

@12 what a great post P. O. B I could not have put it any better. Rangers then, Rangers now, Rangers forever. What a change from the usual negative posts on this forum. I applaud you sir.

Ozzie Al

Great post p. o. b it brought a lump to my throat I agree with everything you say
and as a share holder. and I am prepared to invest again because i, m sure that's what's coming once the spivs are gone. you maybe right it may have been the perfect storm, but there, s no way back for David Murray from me. sorry. Les

Pob, put the dictionary away.
i read that out loud to my self, all that was missing was nuremburg. shammy

22 May 2013 11:49:38
How can scottish football compete when the likes of west brom are getting nearly 50milliom for 10 televised games. Sky are killing off smaller countriws by giving so much to the epl.

Totally agree. could this not
be taken to court as a form
of discrimanation?. just a
thought
billy h

How the hell is it discrimination?

Unfortunately Sky are simply responding to demand. The product in Scotland is poor and nobody outside Scotland is interested in it. Chr15t! we're barely interested in it ourselves!

1) won't they just say it reflects the viewing figures?

Blueice

How can a country of 5 million compete with a country of 55 million? It can't, and by trying to, Rangers nearly went out of business. The financial fair-play rules will kick in soon enough and a lot of the clubs in England will need to cut their cloth accordingly. We should stop trying to match them and focus on our own business instead. Pete

Number 5) - Croatia ranked no 4 on FIFA's list. Three places above England, population 4.5 million. Just thought I would say.

@2 oxford dictionary discrimination
Treating something, someone
different. so if t. v company's
regard Scottish football as
different from english football
is this not discrimination?
billy h

@5 English clubs have already found a way round it so don't hold your breath.

If a scottish club won the champions league. Would they even receive 50million from uefa / tv deals. Excluding gate recepits.

Yes Croatia are rated there but there league is not that good its the players who leave who make it big, Celtic and Rangers (at the time) done far better than Croatia Zagreb in Europe.

22 May 2013 17:14:04
@7: you're being disingenuous with what you claim is the definition. Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of someone or something. The tv companies aren't treating Scottish football in an unjust way - they have justification for spending much more on a better product. There is no prejudice involved - the potential audience, advertising revenue and exposure, because it's a superior product, is why they pay more for English football. It's not discrimination.

@ 11 and the reason its a
better product to them.
is because they discriminate
against Scottish football and
plough billions into english
football enabling them to
attract a better player
therefore making it a better
product
billy h

@12: it's not discrimination, though. They pay for a better product. Why can't you see that there's no prejudice or unjust treatment?! Do you really think that they should pay those figures for Scottish football, a vastly inferior product? Are you in the habit of paying way over the odds for inferior products? If so, you must have several screws loose.

Now you'll be accusing me of discrimination.

1903

@12: go and look up what discrimination means - properly this time - and check out typical examples of it like racism, sexism etc. Is the situation with the TV deals for Scottish football the same?

The answer to the Sky money don't buy it if u live in Scotland it is a fact that they make more money from some Scottish games than some of the so called EPL big teams who get the 60mil
Cheers
Not in my name

@13 if you were being paid
less than a workmate for
doing same job would you
not feel you were being
discriminated against.
Also when having a debate
on here why do people
resort to saying things like
"a screw loose"

But Croatia have some good players that all play in the best leagues? Pete

It is discrimination and here is why. We the Scottish nation produce more viewers than Denmark, Sweden and Norway, we produce a far higher revenue for Sky than those countries yet we get paid a pittance in comparison to them? why you may ask? the answer is simple Sky takes our money and uses it to prop up the English leagues, so in my eyes that is discrimination.

I have railed for a long time against this injustice which starves every Scottish Club of much needed revenue, when I tried to discuss on Clyde the dafties dismissed it due to the thorough investigation that was done! Sure and that investigation was more than 10 years old which in technology circles is prehistoric, people are streaming the games from their phones nowadays there is no need for the huge infrastructure that used to be required. Scottish Sky revenue should be spent on the Scottish game for the betterment of all our teams, the EPL and it's lower leagues are rich enough. Gbhoy.

@18 well said mate
billy h

@16: if your workmate was obviously doing a far better job than you and offering a much better service/product would you expect to be paid the same? Would you still claim it was discrimination? If so, you do indeed have a screw loose.

Furthermore, if there was a case for discriminiation, don't you think it would have been explored by the SFA/SPL etc.?

1903

What our S. F. A & S. P. L
who couldn't agree on
the colour of sh**e
billy h

22 May 2013 11:29:36
just read the story in the record and andy Kerr of the rsa says he's embarrassed by this plus the rst they both say Stockbridge's position is untenable now. I feel these supporters group should hang their heads in shame that they've taken this long to come out and say something and the best they've got is about Stockbridge the rst say all parties get together and sort this out like professionals they should take their own advice and start the ball rolling by doing a demo outside ibrox nows the time or are they just gonnae go quite again

The same could be said of all the so called Rangers men at the club, not one of them has done anything, what's the point in having these people at the club if they allow this to happen and keep us in the dark? We have trusted these people and thus far they have not delivered. We can't continue on this path, if they won't make a stand its down to us to "cleanse" the club.

22 May 2013 12:58:47
Charles Green openly uses racist language in an interview with a paper.

Imran Ahmad leaks sensitive information on a Rangers website using a name that helps identify him.

Brian Stockbridge uploads a video which portrays him as a backstabber.

Just three huge blunders in a matter of months by three hugely successful businessmen all in positions of power at Ibrox.

You would almost think that can't be a concidence.

You would, wouldn't you?

And you'd be right.

Because it's part of a plan.


The Salmon Leap Bear

Think you are in the loop salmon your are not far away from the truth.

Ozzie Al

@1 fair point mate but we can't even trust the so called rangers men its time we got our finger out it pains me to say this but we should do what the celtic fan did in the 90s and look how they are now cause that's what's needed and maybe we'll be the force that we once wer and if the fans aren't going to fight for the good of our club then all we can do is stand on the sidelines and watch the conmen take our hard earned money because there's not one honest man on the board

@2. Spot on. It's a pretty big conspiracy, with accent on the piracy part of that word. Green totally gone, you'll hardly hear another word from him. Whyte has controlled it all.

22 May 2013 11:21:35
great to see story in express today-
Nicky Clark is coming to the rangers, even after getting better offers from other clubs.

lets also get experienced Scottish defender also.
mtan
the worst is over

The worst is over? Are you serious mate.

Said it before and i'll say it again. the light at the end of the tunnel, is a train heading for cloud cuckoo land. shammy

22 May 2013 11:08:18
Players that I would like at ibrox that'll be decent at any level in Scotland

Ian vigurs. ( really like him)
Tom hateley ( sort out right bk)
Murray Davidson ( constantly linked)
Danny Wilson ( staying in Scotland)

Add them to the done deals of daly Clark miller bell
Parelta + 1 other centre bk we would a lot stronger going forward

Scott

Where's all the money coming from because all the freeloaders disguising themselves as pro footballers aren't going anywhere, no one wants them or would be willing to pay their wages. Letting 6 youth players go isn't going to make up any difference.

22 May 2013 10:14:09
Andy Mitchell pens new one year deal with Rangers.

Why a one year deal for such a promising young player

@1 have to disagree very average player who would get found out as we progress up the leagues.

Maybe that's all he was prepared to sign?

22 May 2013 09:52:12
I know we have a lot more to worry about the now, but is there any news on the new kit?

22 May 2013 09:33:28
The Boardroom War - which is being played out so publicly to huge embarrassment for the Club as well as individuals - can only be resolved by one man. Dave King.

I don't care about all the posters on here who will start criticising King's tax affairs in South Africa, the justification is in the old saying "Better the Devil You Know"! Would you prefer the Easdales who unlike King have served time for their tax indiscretions?

During SDM's reign, King put in £20M+ of his OWN money. No one else did that including the great SDM himself. During his time as a Director! his actios never once brought the club in to disrepute with the authorities or anyone else. King is a genuine supporter. King has no ambitions for control fuelled by ego - it is only to preserve and protect a footballing institution which he grew up supporting over 50 years ago in the tough streets of Castlemilk.

I only hope King is monitoring this soap-opera and can time his move to stop the Green/Ahmad shares transfer to Eadales going trough. If he does not come though, I for one believe our club is heading for very, very dark places and the road to recovery will suddenly become far longer than we ever expected.

King is the only one with his own financial resource to rescue the club. McColl will never write a cheque. And Paul Murray can't write a cheque. Who else is there that we can actually say we know and trust?

King needs OUR support however to force the share price down. That is the only "ace" we control. So please, please, please DO NOT RENEW / BUY SEASON TICKETS. If we do, then only one side loses - US!

SPM

What if King does come in then is found guilty in his tax cases in south Africa?

22 May 2013 10:33:57
Oh dear 'the great SDM'? The man who was duped by Craig Whyte. LOL

Didn't read past that. As for Dave King putting in his own money do a few checks on how much he took out. Millions. And check up on his out of court settlement in SA.

I agree we should not renew ST as a protest but as we all know. We will hold out till a fornight before the season starts, there will be a glimmer of hope and we will all reluctantly renew
I do think the supporters groups need to set an example and make a call for supprters not to renew until these Directors running our club into the ground are ousted. It disgusts me to see the way Rangers are being dragged through the gutter. : (
Coisty09

An idea could be having king/ mccoll / murray going in with an equal share, good men who would have rangers best interests at heart, not their own, which seems to be happenibg just now!

One problem is Green and Ahmad. They can sell their shares to who ever they like. They also seem to have the mysterious Blue Pitch holdings on their side

To SA Post 2 - my reference to "the great SDM" was written with tongue stuck firmly in cheek! Try reading things more clearly!

SPM

Dave King may or may not be the man to finally save us, but very few if any people at boardroom level currently at Rangers are intereted in us other than for their own profit, we must show these people that we will not tolerate this. We must not renew our STs until this is cleared up, who is to say that Rangers will still be running at Christmas even? we're alreadt losig £1m a month, buying a ST doesn't secure Rangers it merely lines the pockets of the very people that are destroying our great club. The time has come to back Rangers Football Club not Sevco or whatever else they call their company, without us they have no company. If a public statement was released saying that collectively we will not renew STs and will boycott all Rangers merchandise, as soon as they see a drop in profits these money men will get out. Then we have to hope for the best. again, but at least the new owners will know that we won't stand for any nonense.

King didn't put 20M of his own money - he put 20M of the South Africans Tax Mans money into rangers.

22 May 2013 08:39:54
Theses aren't rumours so don't go shooting me down, players I would like at rangers who would do great job in all divisions and not just 2nd and 1st

Tom hateley
Ian vigurs ( defo)
Danny Wilson ( defo staying in Scotland)
Murray Davidson (constantly linked)
+ 1 more decent cb

Add them to the done desks of Clark miller daly bell,
We would have a team that would not only win div 2 but some really good cup runs ie finals. ?!

Like I said just opinions

Scott

Do you not think the silence from Ibrox is worrying as of yet there are no done deals and there might not be any

How can Miller be a done deal when he's not going to be a free agent until much later in the year?

Scott, you are a perfect example of everything that's wrong with your club.

do you realise that with insurance, nice, win bonuses and wages that lot would add at least 2.5 million quid a year to a budget that already is losing £1m per month.
this is why you are in the mess you are in, spending money you don't have, to buy success.
gretna went from 3rd to spl with a team worth next to nothing. q. o. t. s. won the 2nd this season at a canter with a team worth next to nothing.

yes, we all want the best all the time. but just like xmas when you are a kid. we don't always get what we want, just what's affordable. guys like you really need to realise what a mess you are in and forget the illusions of grandure.
spending like your's can only have one outcome. the end. shammy

22 May 2013 08:35:49
Just wanted to get this off my chest! Why do people on this site continue to rant about who owns Ibrox and Murray Park? What's happening with my season ticket money? Who's running this and that?

I'll give you a scenario. The Cineworld Cinema in Glasgow allows you to pay a monthly subscription which allows you to get unlimited movies for your monthly fee ok? This is a SERVICE provided by that company. OK? With me so far?. Good!

Rangers, whether we like it or not, are a company. A company who provide a SERVICE. That SERVICE being the football match that we pay our money for. Still with me?

What do you think the chances of people who pay a monthly subscription mentioned above are, of people walking into Cineworld or joining a forum online and demanding to know who owns the building, what's happening with the money they pay or who is running the company?. Absolutely none!

You pay for a service and that is exactly what you pay for! Nothing else. Your season ticket money allows you entry to 18 games a season. As long as those games are provided then you have absolutely nothing to complain about other than the quality on the field and if you don't like what you're watching, don't buy a ticket. It's really quite simple.

So what your doing is making excuses for the way the club is being run and accepting it as ok? And your saying supporters don't have a right to ask the questions about ownership etc after what they have been through.

What an personic post.

Wow mate what a ridiculous post for a fan of any club to make never mind the rollercoaster we've been on! you just get your cineworld season ticket and stay away its people like you that make me want to vomit. #boltyarocket!

You talk some amount of rubbish. Cineworld isn't an institution like Rangers who have played @ Ibrox for over 100 years.
I think you should use your Cineworld ticket on matchdays rather than go to Ibrox

Some have shares and own the club mate.

@1) At no point did I say it was OK. I am merely stating that with no other company would people demand to see where there money is going but because it's a football club then they think they have a right.

@2) How exactly is it rediculous? You're exactly the type of imbecile that make supporters of every othe club hate us! Anybody disagrees with anything and you among others resort to insults.

@3) Is there still football being played at ibrox? You wouldn't know from all the pissing and moaning on here. Season ticket gets you into games that's all. Nothing more or less. Rangers are still playing football and I will support them wherever they may play. If at any point I am not happy with the style of football or the SERVICE being provided then I won't go. Simple.

@4) I understand people have shares but anybody who buys shares in a football club should not expect to make any money back on them. I'm not buying into this "we own the club" nonsense. Maybe in the conventional business sense we would but it is a football club. Do you really think these business men who have injected millions really care what investing fans think? The minute the money dries up from season tickets or we keep talking about marching here and there to make ourselves heard, what's to stop the owners from deciding they've had enough, closing the club and selling the assets?

Then we will need to watch from the pavements

@bigbear1873 it's muppets like you that these conmen love you should change your name to gullible ger 1873 because aslong as there's fans like yourself then we'll never get rid of them

Theber82 How does not caring where my money goes when I buy a product or service make me gullible? As long as I receive that product or service then I am happy.

@8 awrite mate gullible is a bit strong stupid if more fitting cause when I get sold a sh*t product it's straight back to the shop for a refund a don't go buying more sh*te fae the same place

22 May 2013 07:43:59
Does anyone else think Christian dailly could do a job? Look at what Davie weir done when he was 40.

Move on ffs what is this obsession with former players?

Dailly retired last summer. Bet the OP feels a bit silly now.

21 May 2013 23:46:47
With it being over 10years since they reached seville and 5 since we road into manchester, am I correct in saying that Neil Alexander is the only player left in the scottish game to experience a european cup final?

Big Jig came on as a sub late on in the game

I think your right, shows the sad state of our game now. I can't even think of a player in the Scottish game who has played at a World Cup!

Has Rab Douglas Retired?

To No2: Samaras, Lustig, Izzaguire?

Is there any scottish players still playing that have playe in a world cup?

@5: Neil Sullivan was in the squad but didn't play - he's still playing and made 20 appearances for AFC Wimbledon this season.

21 May 2013 19:19:19
Blatant lies, fleecing fans and small business holders, Non payment of taxes, more lies, infiltrating fan forums to spread muck, racist comments, drunken embarrassing behaviour, backstabbing, recording conversations, releasing incriminating video footage! Mr Struth would be turning in his grave. This is about as far from the club I've followed all my life as it can get. These disgusting, appaling, embarrassing liars are dragging all our names through the mud and laughing whilst doing it. They are self serving and any fan who is still thinking of renewing their ST needs their head read. I really feel that if you renew you are letting us all down and your letting our club down. I am honestly about done with it all. This is not Rangers, it is a twisted basterdised version of the club that represented me as much as my family name.

Baybear

Baybear I feel for you m8 as your 100% correct these lowlife care not a jot for the fans, I can honestly say I care more for your club than they do and i, m a tim keep your chin up m8, it has right itself eventually


happynoods

Baybear, all of the above is exactly why we need people like Ally and Walter to remain at the club.
The biggest concern is that everything you have listed has been done deliberately. CG and IA done what they did to get out.
What Stockbridge done has backfired apparently, but maybe he wanted out as well?
We needthe BDO ivestigation concluded, we need the Strathclyde police investigation concluded. Maybe then other investors will be interested. The fact that WS is backing MM against BS is a good sign in my opinion. It gives the impression that Walter thinks there's hope for the future. If he didn't why is he still there? Cue all the "because he's lining his pockets" reteric, but I simply do not believe this of a man who has earned respect throughout his career.
As big Marv once said "Keep the faith"

Well said baybear and if walter does walk tomorrow as rumoured then I think this great club will slip into freefall as much as it hurts to say that. BT

Well 57 years following gers and I've had enough of the lies, at a loss to wonder who is telling the truth now, this isn't the civilised rangers way to conduct business that I have known and seen throughout the years so I won't be renewing my season book next year, as regards another poster on here as far as I could remember before the new stands were built it was only the main stand that was season books the rest was pay at the gate so season books for most fans would only have been in the last 25 to 30 years doug t. s. o

I thought things couldn't get any worse and then aw this sh*t this is worse than last year come on a think its time to start the demo's fs we done it on 14th feb last year and that was only getting put into admin now the vulctures are tearin us apart fae the inside this has got to stop now or we will have nothing left for us to follow just memories of our past glories this is the time to show that W. A. T. P is now cause we are the the only people who can stop this

Baby Bear I like you are at my lowest with all the crap at our club just now everything you say is true, where will it end what has our great club become? Hope it all comes to an end shortly and we get through it with as little damage as possible the greed and the lies are killing this once great club. I am not one for boycotts but our fans really need to show what we think of all this even if it means holding back on season tickets etc. I know this doesn't do the club any good but nothing else has worked so far. We need good honest men at the top to lead the way, not the ones there just now vying for control of our club for their own selfish means.
Bobby

Unfortunatey the fans are split into two main camps

1. This has gone too far, we need to protest to get them out, no season book money, and a top-to-bottom cleanse of our club

2. If we just stay loyal, buy our books and ride out the storm, Ally and Walter will come through with new signings and all this will seem daft in a couple of years time.

21 May 2013 12:44:03
I have heard brian Stockridge has been will be called to the board room today to be given his marching orders by Craig Mather. Walter has refused to work with him other wise and will walk. Mather is furious with the childs play and has promised Walter there will be no more as nobody's is above the honour of the club he will sack anyone caught of bringing the club in to disrepute.

You seem to be forgetting one thing here. Mather was brought to the club by Green, he is his man.

Stockbridge has a whole lot more power at Ibrox than Mather so can't see that happening at this moment in time.

Mr A

That low life stockbridge should have resigned as soon as his pathetic, shameful stunt was exposed. he is a board member and supposed to represent our club. what has our club become with the likes of him and others are in charge.

Racist comments, green gets his get out and leaves, dodgy Internet slurs, ihmran (spelling) gets his get out and leaves, now Stockbridge with his video, is this his get out. Seems to be a trend here. They leave in disgrace with their wallets bulging

Vambo

This is the person (Brian Stockbridge) who is currently overseeing the culling of great servants who have stuck by the club through admin and lost thousands of pounds. He is in charge of the troubleshooter working inside Ibrox on a daily basis cutting costs without giving a damn about loyalty!

21 May 2013 11:32:41
The way I see it is that our season in div 2 is our season in limbo and despite all the nonsense going on at board level club getting fans to take up season books was always going to be a hard sell. Last season the appetite was there to prove that despite the 3rd division status the Rangers fans are loyal to the club. I reckon that an average attendance of 25k for the forth coming season will be the best we can hope for. Should we get to div 1 in 2014/15 the season book sales will be booming again as there is something big to play for.

Divison 2 not an issue for me, i'll follow my club wherever they play. I'm a supporter and only want to watch my team play.
My concern is obvously around the present turmoil, and until we get some answers I will not be purchasing a season ticket. I will buy a ticket on a game to game basis.
I hope your viewpoint is a limited one, because if the majority of fans feel like you then how do you conclude that we will be able to build a decent side and get back to the top and have something to play for?
P. O. B.

Is there a point in going back to the top if there are constantly people who just want to leech the club of cash, threatening its existence?

21 May 2013 10:08:43
Another day another embarrassing dirty trick out of Ibrox:

Rangers' director Brian Stockbridge accused of dirty tricks as video of drunken chairman Malcolm Murray leaked on internet

These boys have been recording everybody from day one. There's loads of it out there. It's just going to get a lot worse. Where's KJ reported recording of Green being sacked? Most read that yesterday as a bluff. Well they called that bluff with this number today.

Nobody has signed. Not one. How long does it take to pass a medical. Diversionary stories of signings.

Anyone would be stupid to sign while the current in fighting is going on. No one really knows who owns the club or whether there will be a team playing next season. I believe that agreements have been made in principal but the player will only activate them should the picture become clear

What a juvenile ploy by Stockbridge.
Does he really think that this kind of thing will advance his course or lead people to view him more seriously.
I rather think that it has had the opposite effect.
He and his "partner" were laughing at someone else's misfortune and that someone else happens to be someone whom the Rangers fan actually like.
I think you've backfired Stockbridge.

Here Here to Malcolm Murray that donkeys ar5e Stockbridge has just showed everyone that Mr Murray is just a mere mortal like the rest of us who hasn't got totally rat ar5ed and need help to get home.

your plan to discredit Mr Murray has backfired Mr Stockbridge all you have done is show everyone what a sniveling backstabbing little creep you really are and Rangers don't need the likes of you so why don't you go boil your head and make some stupid soup

Lochaber bear

@3: then he'd be Brian Stockcube.

I'll get my coat.

1903

Stockbridge was probably drunk when he sent it in thinking it was a great idea - person.

21 May 2013 09:38:06
How sad is it at ibrox when the board are tapping and videoing each other absolutly discusting.

Worst claiming rangers fans sending in the videos, a slur!

The antics. just show the extent on how the club is being ran. own interests and agendas

vote of no confidence. by fans what's needed

21 May 2013 07:47:12
as a rangers fan its not nice to see players/directors or chairman falling out of pubs/ clubs/ eateries which appears to be down to being drunk ( hey ho, I know, we have all done it before) but my point is this, we don't hold down a top position within such a high profile football club/company. but my problem is this, who takes videos and tapes out to stitch up fellow collegues at nights out or business meetings, these people are lower than low and I don't want them near my club, if that's how you like to operate, please do it somewhere else! e/k boyblue.

At the moment it would appear that it is only the lowest of the low who want the club. The fans need to boycott the renewal of Season Books to put pressure on the incumbents of the board and hope that some decent & respected people come forward.
Nobody who previously held a high position within the last 12 years should even be considered

Agree#1, what the club needs is someone with absolutely NO convictions for fraud, VAT no payment and that includes people who have settled out of court here or abroad.

Only then can we breathe a little easier and hopefully day by day regain our dignity and bring back the Ibrox traditions of years gone by.

21 May 2013 07:44:13
if there seems to be a connection between Messrs WHITE and GREEN and a subsequent punishment where will potential signings sit, since their signings take effect as of 1st September will they be allowed to cancel their registrations as their contracts would be materially changed possibly

Depends on each negotiated item in each contract. Some agents will get "only plays in div2 and above" or else contract void, for instance. So if there's relegation to div3 in the summer, players who have signed could walk if they don't fancy div3.

20 May 2013 22:00:25
All these posts about Ally getting his targets and building a squad for the future are complete nonsense he will sign whoever will come and pay them want they want to keep his job, unless he learns some tactics over the summer it won't matter who he signs, he was playing 1 up front at home in division 3 ffs, it will be interesting to see how many STs are sold since a growing number of gers are unhappy and will not renew with McCoist in charge, if he was really a Rangers man he would of walked long before supporters stopped going because of him, if he was anyone else he would have booed out of Ibrox 18 months ago when it became obvious that he is out of his depth, and yet 2 dreadful seasons later we are still talking about giving him another season to prove himself! He has proved himself he is crap let's get rid of him before he wastes anymore money.

Yeah yeah not a ger, etc etc. the truth is I have been a supporter for nearly 40 years and a ST holder for 20 years, 4 of us travel up from near London and will NOT renew while he is at Rangers.

21 May 2013 02:27:20
Cannot believe the number of non Rangers supporters and kid on Rangers supporters on this board whinging about our comments on the Hearts situation. It is only the start as a number of other clubs will follow who already are on the brink. These are the same supporters who under the guise of sporting integrity chose to vote Rangers out of the SPL and hit with every other punishment they could think of. Well you had the chance to think about the consequences of your actions before you orchestrated a campaign to destroy Rangers. You reap what you sow, you got what you wished for and are now left with a broken competition which will see other clubs follow Hearts next season into administration.

Ozzie Al

Another depressing post, you have been a fan for forty years but a supporter for 20years meaning you took a season ticket during the glory years so I am sure you and your 4 mates won't be missed next season as real rangers supporters stick by our team in good and bad times and people like you only want to know good times so good riddance you won't be missed. BT

@1: you and your like were tellling us all last summer that loads of clubs would be in administration by Christmas. So far it's been one with Hearts to follow. If it makes you feel better thinking there are loads to follow then keep dreaming. In addition, it might make more sense to worry about the situation at your own club instead of Hearts and the rest; or for that matter, accusing posters on here of not being genuine Rangers fans - that's the realm of the paranoid.

@1/ How you can comment on any poster on here is amazing. You were singing the praises of Green when it was clear he was a chancer. Rangers fans who question everything will be the ones who save the club. People like you will be the ones who kill it.

Ozzie Al, glad to see you finally admit your club was destroyed.
As usual your post contains no facts and just your narrow opinion.
Could you explain how Rangers not being in the SPL is responsible for a Russian bank filing for insolvency?
I do have to congratulate you on the mantra count in your post though.
1) ". other clubs will follow. "
2) ". the guise of sporting integrity. "
3)". vote Rangers out of the SPL. "
4)". hit with every punishment they could think of. "
5)". consequence of your actions. "
6)". reap what you sow. "
7)". got what you wished for. "
8)". broken competition. "
Jeez, that's nearly the whole post, however, you missed out two to get you to an even ten.
"Kick us when we are down"
and
"Illgal punishment"
Your report card. "Could do better. "
Al

@2. I am doing what I feel is best for Rangers, if someone like you takes my ST so be it, but hopefully the majority of REAL Rangers supporters and not the Super Ally fan club will prevail. We are a football club whose football is dire and a company in complete disarray, I will not fund this mixture of corruption and incompetence any more. Rangers deserve better!

Thanks Al for re emphasising the points in my post and for filling in the bits I missed. Good to also see you have finally outed yourself instead of pretending to be a Gers man. Lol

How exactly have hearts problems got anything to do with rangers going bankrupt? The foreign banking company that owned them has gone under. They also may find a buyer before liquidation, thereby avoiding having to start again as a new club. Let's try sticking to the facts. This forum is full of people sick of lies.

@3. It's this season we will see more clubs go to the wall. Last season was cushioned by the previous years revenue. I'm sorry but Scottish football is in a dangerous position. SPL chairmens minds said get Rangers out but in their hearts they knew the reallity of that decision. I'm a Rangers fan but it was the correct decision as the rules had to be adhered to. There really was no other way or we would be in an even worse position today. My only hope is that Rangers can climb the league quickly, rid ourselves of the board parasites and run at break even.

@7, I have never pretended to be a gers man and if you think any of my posts give that impression then more fool you.
You must have missed the one a while back when I said that I don't care what happened to your club or the others I signed off as Al (ly must stay).
Al

20 May 2013 20:38:06
I wonder if the directors on the Heart's board have been asked '' if they are in a position to trade and could they meet their current liabilities?''
If they answer '' yes'' then there are no problems, at the moment, but that answer is unlikely.
The spl's decision today just opens the chasm even more.
billyb

The Hearts share issue/plus other fund raising activities raised £1.5m to get the club through to the summer. Since March in the region of 6,000 Season Tickets for 2013/14 have also been sold, therefore the answer to your question is Yes. The "parent" company has provided no funding to Heart of Midlothian PLC for at least the last 14 months. Further with high earning players leaving the club it should be self financing from 6/13 onwards (the last bit according to the board that is)

The hearts supporters must really love their club! They got the club through the season with a positive collection and deserve all plaudits!
What did rangers manage? £600k for the supposed biggest club in Scotland! Lol I think they were waiting for their "supposed" worldwide support to ride in with their billions lol
I blame the welfare system myself! They are all just used to having their way paid by the big sugar daddy be it minty money bags or the social security lol
Hope hearts survive! At least they tried!

Hearts are not in administration - the alleged parent company are not in administration yet.
They have applied to the courts to be placed in administration.
This could be refused by the courts.
Until the outcome of the court action is clear the SPL could only reach the decision they made. At the moment it is entirely different to Rangers who went into Administration - failed to get a CVA accepted and are in the process of Liquidation.

@2 I reckon people like you should make a contribution as you spend more time and show more interest in this site than your own teams. lol

To 1] I'll be surprised if there is any residue of cash left.
To 2. ] What can I say apart from '' absolute drivel Mr. Salmond ''.
By the way, I hope Hearts survive and the question I asked of Hearts, should be asked of several other clubs.
Finally, I did not make any cross reference to Rangers so why bring us into the Hearts predicament.
billyb

Please correct if i, m wrong but I'm under the impression that the "Parent Company" rule was introduced by the SPL to prevent clubs dumping their debts into a specifically set up seperate company whose sole purpose is to avoiding paying them through applying for insolvency. (Southampton? I think tried to do this a few years back). As UKIO/UBIG hold a number of investments/companies in their portfolio including Hearts and their histories pre date any involvement with Hearts, does the "Parent Company" rule actually even apply to Hearts in their current/future circumstances?

5)Hearts have for sometime operated seperately and unfunded from UKIO/UBIG hence the embarressing eposides of late player wages and Tax payments of the last coupe of seasons. The club now lives or dies by what the suppporters put in and will have to live off Season Ticket sales etc/reduced wage bill. The crunch will come when the administrators of UKio and likely now UBig get around to calling in the clubs debts and how much they want in the £! repaid, in the meantime Hearts have to continue to service their debts or face the consequences.

@4 haha mate, my team is the warriors! I am just enjoying reading your rediculous posts and bickering amongst yourselves it is just brilliant!
Plus the fact your low life team is going down the gurgler again is pure brilliant!
Loving it!

To 7. ] It is not as simple as you try to make out. Apart from running costs, the Lithuanian banks etc have first charge on the main asset, namely, the football stadium and associated land. Should the bankruptcy be ratified then the debt will be recovered from the proceeds of a sale, unless as no. 2] commented, they find a replacement 'sugar daddy'.
billyb

Hearts might not have been deducted anything this season but the writing is on the wall for them only a matter of time next season. remember looking on their site last season and there was a lot of hate for us. but that's karma for you come back and bites you on ass. me I don't take any pleasure in hearts situation (understand some that do)scottish football is in a sorry state

20 May 2013 19:28:08
So that's another day finished. How long does it take to complete a medical?
Last week a guy called Nicky was signing that evening.
All bolloc*s.
The mainstream media in Scotland appears to conspire with the board to dupe, mislead and manipulate fans.

Wee bit more difficult since Jim Traynor joined the Ibrox franchise. succulent lamb anyone??

20 May 2013 18:34:36
SFA beak Stewart Regan on TV stating any link between green and Whyte would be extremely serious but stops short of likely punishment.
It was a condition of the license Whyte was nothing to do with the takeover.
Reported the result of the internal investigation is due very soon.

Regan is a clown end of and Doncaster should also go once all organisations merge surely david Longmuir and Campbell Ogilvie must take over from these jokers as they have the experience and knowledge to lead the game forward

Nothing to do with Ogilvie and Longmuir being Rangers men. perchance?

Ogilvie and Longmuir should be banned from the game forever.

21 May 2013 00:46:06
I defy you to explain how you know Longmuir is a " Rangers" man?

21 May 2013 11:30:23
@4, him and all his family are well known to be big fans of the rangers/rangers but you carry on with your delusional argument.

I suppose we should actually say that they are "The Rangers Men" as "Rangers" are in the process of liquidation.

Is that tax avoider ebt holding ogilvie? You do realise the ebt was a loan, lol. You know if all those loans had been payed back, none of this would have happened. No liquidation, no div3, no whyte, no green, no rangers fans losing money. Makes you think.

20 May 2013 16:33:04
Hearts sister company listed as insolvent on Lithuanian government website on Thursday, but buffoons at SPL can find no evidence of this. What? Then I though didn't I see Lennon on tv over the weekend expressing concern if they were demoted and suddenly it all fits. what celtic want celtic gets. The SPL have to have some sort of competition even if its not for first spot.

Blueice

OP: not paranoid much, are you? lol

Hearts operating company pass the tests and have not experienced an insolvency event.
Talk about wishing others ill will. Also paranoid and dragging Celtic into it and Lennon is childish.

@no 1. the phrase sporting integrity was used in football when celtic refused to extend the season because they were flying out to tour japan the next day, and we all know that didn't happen, so no, not paranoid. it seems to be celtic and a couple of others are calling the shots. i'm disgusted by the decision of the spl. they couldn't afford to lose the edinburgh derby. sporting integrity, but only when it suits them. dave & hugh

1)another coincidence then?

Blueice

Hearts will start in the SPL without doubt. As time goes on and the evidence is clear they will be deducted points. As no football rule was broken in season 12/13 then they could not be penalised. Scottish football authorities were cacing it todsy.

20 May 2013 20:14:16
@3: why are you disgusted? Hearts haven't gone into administration yet so why should there be a points deduction?

I totally disagree with the OP and #3 point. Hearts parent company has serious problems there is no doubt but have they actually entered administration. yes or no? I firmly believe that they will enter an insolvency event in the coming weeks and todays decision will have to be reviewed however as administration will be in mid-season different league rules apply to a year past in Feb when gers were docked 10 points. Its ridiculous to claim Celtic are behind today's decision paranoid running wild. wait till the rumours surrounding the finances at Ibrox are confirmed will that be Celtics fault as well?

Tynecastle calling. for God 's sake stop whingeing about others and get real
Green, Ally, Walter, Sandy J all bleating constantly . the majority of your support accepted that you needed to take your punishment so get on with it and gie us aw peace Mr. Green has taken you all for a ride on the Ghost Train, Whitey still running the waltzers around boardroom and Ally in control of the helter-skelter thru the 3rd Division, James Traynor looking after the dodge-ems, Walter in the Hall of Mirrors.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, regain the respect of other Clubs and their supporters get on with re-building quietly. stop looking to blame others constantly, look to the future and let your team's football do the talking.
Scottish Football needs everyone to work together to move forward, loads of financial issues across the game need sorted. best let the other Clubs sort their businesses and
waken up to the issues on your own backyard and behave like good neighbors rather than try to make
out others should suffer.
In every aspect of life trust and respect have to be earned, accept your medicine stop spitting out your dummies and climb back to a level that offers genuine fans a platform to showboat, reflecting your aspirations in a sportsmanlike fashion.

Guess we should just accept Green and Whyte linked, hand back the SFA license and walk away then. Same mentality of OP to Hearts.

N8 the spl were meant to look at the hearts sittuation on the 13th of may if they had done so they would have seen the hearts bachers ie bankers from lithiania were insolvent thus hearts would have been put in addminestration but for reasons known only to the spl the date was put back to 20th WHY TMWNN

@8 great post mate! Shame the shame are going to give it a dam good ignoring though!

@10 maybe for the same reason your transfer ban wasn't put in place immediately and allowed to start after the transfer window shutting! Your argument for unfair treatment by the footballing authorities is flawed with every little thing you want to bicker about!
So best shut it and move on!

21 May 2013 00:51:23
#8. I don't recall Rangers football club saying a word? can't you differentiate between a major employee and a guy on a fans forum? don't you understand? tell us where Rangers FC said a word? go On? silly person, Tommyblue

Romanov has appealed the decision and as such the SPL had no option but to come to the decision that they reached.

@8 If you had exercised the same judgement & advice yourself when voting the rangers out of the SPL and placing upon them every other possible punishment in the book and outwith the book. We would not be discussing the Hearts and other teams financial issues at the moment. The SPL clubs and there supporters are only now beginning to realize the damage there hate campaign against Rangers has done to there own teams. So take your own advice and move on before you end up looking more stupid than you already appear to be.

@12 if I remember correctly there was no rule in the sfa rule book which allowed a transfer ban for our particular misdemeanour. Fact is the meeting was postponed to keep hearts up. Anyone who believes otherwise is living in a non-corrupt bubble

@16: Fact is this from an earlier post:

"Hearts made it to the end of the season by thier supporters raising £1.5m to fund the club, Heart of Midothian PLC are meeting their liabilities and although the "parent company" have applied for administration this has not yet been granted. The courts in Lithuania could decide that Romanov is chancing it and turn the application down, unlikey as this may sound. The SPL made the correct decision under these circunstances. "

Feel free to find some proper evidence to refute this.

I was led to believe last summer by supporters of one team, which no longer exists, that the 'club' and the 'company' were two different entities. Does this not still hold?

20 May 2013 15:28:59
spl + hearts = stitch up!

Is anyone surprised with the outcome of todays meeting. What a joke- sporting integrity, remember that one. Seems it only applies when Rangers are on the receiving end.

Aye sporting integrity my a### shocking.

Tam-Sir 1873 Rangers don't need a help from the cartel.

There is no way they are going to relegate hearts they don't even have sponsers for next year rangers should never go back to that corrupt spl can't wait till all the joke of clubs are knocked out if Europe so all they muppets from the sfa get the bullet

But Hearts haven't been found to be insolvent. They may still go into admin but because the season is over, the points will be taken from next season's total. What's the problem?

Are Hearts in administration?

No integrity whatsoever, SFA, SPL, SFL, first they shaft hundreds of small business's, charities, emergency service's etc for hundreds of millions of pounds, then they illegally grant a completely new football club a licence to play in the league despite that club being fraudulent and deceptive in thier application for that licence, despite that corrupt club not having the legally required 3 years audited accounts, despite that club not having any accounts whatsoever, despite other well run football clubs such as SpartansFC, Cove RangersFC, etc having more right to a licence to play in the league, yes, a total lack of integrity from the Scottish football authorities!!
Finn

Here we go again, Hearts have not officially be declared to be in administration or liquidated yet and you want them demoted they made it to the end of the season so whatever happens to them will happen next season. Our bitterness goes on no wonder we are being outcasted by other clubs fans. we are where we are by the people who ran our club and I'm not so sure we are much better of with our new lot hopefully I'm wrong but we really need to stop blaming everyone other than our own people for the state we are in. I hope we are on the way back now let's keep it that way stop all this hate which our club has brought on itself over the years by bad mismanagement. Let's get back where we belong, I hate to say this but we may not be in the clear yet after latest disclosures and may need the good will of the people we are miss calling and accusing, let's show some dignity.
Bobby

Well said bobby a few more clear and honest thinkers such as yourself
is what is needed not just at your club but around scottish football in general good for you sir
thommyj

9) Hearts made it to the end of the season by thier supporters raising £1.5m to fund the club, Heart of Midothian PLC are meeting their liabilities and although the "parent company" have applied for administration this has not yet been granted. The courts in Lithuania could decide that Romanov is chancing it and turn the application down, unlikey as this may sound. The SPL made the correct decision under these circunstances.

No Surprise. If they treated Hearts the same as they treated Rangers, they would not need to discuss re- construction as they would be scraping for enough teams to play in their tainted SPL.

20 May 2013 15:04:47
This dirty board war will be resolved by the majority shareholders soon.
I expect MM to go. I expect WS and JT to go and other NEDs.
I expect the curiously silent McCoist, since his I want this club cleansed speach a few weeks ago, to walk the plank.
You can't sail with the pirates if you want to cleanse the dirty rascals.
I expect Stuart McCall to replace McCoist rally the support and sell loads of tickets for next season.

McColl may be a legend but he is not stupid.
If the rangers people walk he will say no.

McColl would snatch Ally's package in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't? A million a year no problem.
Ally should realise he divides the support not unite it. He should step down due to this to let the fans unite 100% behind a new guy. The club needs the fans 100% behind a new manager.

Can we please leave 'Ally's package' out of this. Some things should just be kept private.

The most important thing is to know who your enemy is.
And it isn't McCoist.
We need McCoist, Smith and Murray as a bulwark against the rest of them.

Op did you see much the same published in the daily record today in the hotline tmwnn

20 May 2013 10:55:28
My starting 11 for next season.

1. Bell
2. Hateley
4. Berra
5. Wilson
3. Wallace
6. Jig
7. Law
8. Black
9. Daly
10. Templeton
11. Nova

Good to see your sticking with the academy players. On what basis should black be infront of Macleod?

No chance of Berra coming as his wages would be too much.
Plus Macleod and Little before Black and Novo if he signs.