Rangers Banter Archive March 11 2013

11 Mar 2013 19:59:56
stockbridge now saying we will bring in over £100m a season some boast only 6 teams in the world can do that evey season -discuss {The Ed039's Note - There are plenty more than 6 teams in the world that can do that. The top 20 in the world each have a revenue stream of over £100 million. Again as discussed earlier, this is turnover they are talking about and is not relevant to profits)

If people are going to go to the bother of posting on here, can they at least get their fact's right?

@1: if they were to do so, they might not post so there would be far fewer posts lol

Turnover. Or profit. Not a hope in hell Gers will do that. Stockbridge talking. Bull

Could only find the top 20 clubs in terms of turnover and they all exceed 100M per year although some like Roma and Newcastle don't make much more and they receive massive money from TV deals.

To be honest there's as much chance of Rangers turning over 100M next season in the 3rd tier of Scottish football as me winning the crossbar challenge.

Why do we need all the big claims from the club rather than realistic facts?

12 Mar 2013 13:38:21
What you fail to mention in your rangers figures is your price of season tickets for this season. rangers prob took more money when it was half empty
. gujo

11 Mar 2013 15:11:49
for ed and rangers s'pporters will ally leave if we lose again or is he milking 's dry

Tam-Sir ''7- concerned {The Ed039's Note - I dont think there is "milking us dry" Tam, I do think his affection for the club is genuine, and no doubt he is being very well paid, but hypothetically speaking, I genuinely think he would give up his salary tomorrow if he was told it help stop another administration or the like)

ED039. Did Ally take the wage cut with the players? I assumed he did but there seems to be conflicting reports. {The Ed039's Note - Yes he did, as did Durrant and MacDowell)

Look to hearts where a player is PLAYING for nothing.

Ally has 2% in shares - worth £1.2 mill so DOES NOT NEED paid when rangers in dire straights. so why take any money??

green and ally filling boots when club making loss? hello!

wakey wakey. {The Ed039's Note - Its Hibs who have a player playing for nothing, that player has money in the bank, has had a spate of injuries and is TRYING to play himself into a payday so it suits him to be playing for nothing. I wouldnt have myself convinced that its a love of Hibs that has Kevin Thomson playing for nothing)

Why shpuldnt ally be paid? He agreed a contract and he is fulfilling that contract. He might have money in the bank. Would you work for free if you had money in the bank? {The Ed039's Note - I think you are taking the comments about Ally not as they were intended, I said if he was asked I think he would, but I dont think he should work for free, but again I dont think he is good enough to be our manager)

What a short memory you have. IF repeat IF you are a Rangers fan you should hang your head in shame, Ally might have faults but he has never "milked us dry" why don't YOU do walking away?

Ally took no pay for when we went into admin and the shares are in lieu, so I believe. {The Ed039's Note - He did take some sort of pay, because he was under contract he was not allowed to work for free as it would have broken minimum wage laws, I think he took a 75% pay cut at the time. I am sure I read that somewhere)

Some of the coments i'm reading from so called fans are nuts. super ally stood stong for rangers in our time of need and this is his thanks not to get this season and tricky situation out the way.

Don't agree with the lilking us dry comment myself albeit he's going to earn a massive bonus shortly for winning a league against plumbers & sparks and it's impossible to justfify that amount of money for being not even mediocre. From a footballing POV the only match where we've really performed like a team with the biggest support, best training facilities and 2nd highest wagebill in the country was against Motherwell & that was a cup tie.
Marks out of ten for Ally 3/10.

@2 Would you come to your work and not get paid. Alister took the wage cut and delt with inprecadented meda attention so I think he has earned the right to his wages. His manegerial skills is a different argument.

11 Mar 2013 14:45:46
Hunger, desire, transfer targets, tactics, where do you start
Firstly the display on Saturday is the worst I have seen in a long time, maybe even the worst as a rangers supporter, McCoist touched on something in the paper the other day about everyone playing for themselves, I have to say he was right, the team looked completely disjointed, there was no movement or hunger to be the first to the ball or any real desire to win the game. A lot of the players need to take a long hard look at themselves, i'm including the youngsters here as well. If you want to be part of this club then buck up your idea’s train twice as hard, stop going to Nando’s and KFC and tweeting every two minutes, you have an opportunity here that i'm sure every one of those 50,000 supporters every week would die for. McCoist has done what he can with what he was given, there was a point where it looked like we weren’t even going to be playing this season and for that I thank him, however now is the time to shake up the whole squad and back room staff. I wouldn’t like to see McCoist cast out, maybe retain some sort of position within Ibrox.
After seeing the “transfer targets” this summer I am filled with dread, Jon Daly and Andre Bikey, are you serious, Bikey is a bigger bombscare than Perry, and Jon Daly, good player but you want to play him as a center half, the only way we should be going for someone like Daly is if Kyle, Sandaza and McCulloch are leaving. There are plenty of good youngsters out of contract in the summer why go for someone who is 30 years old.
Finally the tactics, what is the point in playing a 4-2-3-1 if you are going to miss out the whole midfield with long balls, its horrible to watch, McCulloch doesn’t have the ability as a footballer to hold up the ball, he flicks it on, but because there is no one there the opposition just mop it up. And McCulloch isn’t the be all and end all, if he is fit he gets in the team, Andy Little has been on fire but got put out to the left wing on Saturday, that’s just wrong, what makes McCulloch so special, it seems some players are exempt from criticism in the rangers team and start no matter what. McCulloch hasn’t turned up for weeks, if it is correct and he is on between 12 and 15k a week then he should be the first one out the door in the summer. I singled out McCulloch there but all the players need to look at themselves and decide what they want to do in the summer. There are players collecting substantial wages from the club and not performing, my god we have the second highest wage bill in Scotland and we are playing guys who have 9-5 jobs, no disrespect to them, Annan deserved there victory on Saturday and most of the teams have conducted themselves very well, but we train 5 or 6 days a week in one of the best facilities in Scotland and have full internationals in our team, we should be steam rolling everyone. I do think we lack any sort of real leadership on the park and in defence, I suppose it doesn’t help with the language barrier.
I don’t want to appear harsh or seem like I am constantly criticizing the team, but it has been a hard watch most of the time, I don’t want to be paying my season ticket money to watch this type of football every week, it’s a nightmare. There have been some positives this year, the support, the emergence of some of the youngsters, I think Green has done well at marketing the club to get the best deals possible. I just hope Ally can knock everyone’s head together and get them playing, the guy is a legend and one of my favourites growing up, I just hope it happens sooner rather than later or he will lose his job. It may seem like a knee jerk reaction but its been coming for weeks the performances have been dire and it was only a matter of time before someone beat us, its just not been good enough.

11 Mar 2013 16:26:24
Ally can knock the players heads together all he wants but as long as ally stays as manager nothing will change from a footballing point of view.

Yes the players are to blame also but the buck stops with ally who brought these players in. The bottom line is ally has not got a clue when it comes to tactics and team formations and the sooner he goes the better.

I think ally should play mcculloch in defence with lee wallace and two of the reserve players no problem communicating also two reserve players can't be any worse than what's already there

11 Mar 2013 14:03:58
I think it is time the rules were changed where a CLEAR goal has been missed by a ref.
Like the Hibs goal. Change the result by an SPL panel to 1-0 for Hibs.
My argument is based on the knock on effect of the bad decision. Imagine the match was a relegation battle and Hibs needed to win to stay up. By the ref not allowing the goal they would have gone down and LOST a fortune. Remember clubs are businesses and as such NEED money to survive.
I'm actually surprised this kind of thing hasn't gone to a legal battle before now. In other businesses where mistakes have cost a Company money, they have legal eagles to get it back.
Time FIFA took the lead and changed this. Only for missed goals, and nothing else like offside etc which is often only about opinions, but goals WIN games.

Wee Bill

Every wrong decision can have an effect, same game Hearts no penalty, what if there is a stick on offside referee misses before ball goes over line, sorry and appreciate where you are coming from but it would lead to all kind of issues.

11 Mar 2013 16:34:24
but what if after going 1-0 down, Hearts changed their gameplan (yes Ally - you are allowed to!) and equalised or went on to win. goals change games - just because hibs scored first doesn't mean they would have won.

Ayrbear

So a team is one nil up and defend out the last ten min then find the result gets changed the next day when they could have attacked for winner if they had known {The Ed039's Note - Goal line technology I am all for, have a look at the time and make a judgement, but going through appeal procedures to have a result changed in the days after is just nonsense. I appreciate the OPs point and understand where he is coming from but its not realistic)

While I agree with technology, it works very well in both rules of rugby, cricket, and tennis. Its the officials that need to be looked at,
yesterdays ref at easter road, in his last three league games he sent off jamie langfield which was on appeal rescinded, booked mcginn of same team for diving when he was nearly halved in two by kilie keeper bell and then yesterday although the linesman didn, t help him out, if he couldn, t see how far the ball was over the line then for me he should be demoted to a lower level until his performances improve and he, s not on his own with regards to incompetence. jimbo. {The Ed039's Note - The argument will be that the assistant was near the edge of the box keeping an eye on any offsides/fouls and the ref I am sorry I didnt see his position in it all, but by the same token, the ball was well over the line and should have been easy to spot. Reminded me of the Pedro Mendes goal for Spurs at Old Trafford and the Frank Lampard goal for England against Germany, officials who cant see them should be looked at)

10 Mar 2013 23:45:57
What can I say? Woeful, diabolical, rotten, garbage, murder. None of them begin to cover it.

I sit at Ibrox nowadays and look around and it saddens me. I am 20 years old and have had my season ticket for 15 years now. I think back to the days I sat in the very same seat watching Barry Ferguson, Michael Mols, Ronald de Boer, Jorg Albertz, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Arthur Numan, Mikel Arteta and many, many more top class players. It truly is horrible.

The team nowadays have no heart. They have no desire to succeed. It is a horrible tragedy what has happened over the past couple of years, but it is still not an excuse for the dross performances from the imposters that are now calling themselves Rangers players. It makes me sick.

Ally McCoist is a Rangers legend, but as a player only. He is the single worst manager in our club's history. His lack of knowledge is frightening, he can't get his message across because he doesn't have any other than a garbage hit and hope philosophy. He is so inept it is horrifying.

Not once have I come away from a game this season thinking "wow we played so well. "

I said from day one McCoist wasn't and would never be a good manager.

I love my club so much. But it is a chore to go and watch Rangers under McCoist. I will NOT be renewing my season ticket next season if he is going to be in charge.

So don't dare anyone claim that makes me less of a supporter. I won't be spending my hard earned money to go and watch a supposed entertaining sport, that in truth is no more entertaining than watching paint dry.

We deserve better.

McCoist OUT.

s20c

Good post and I can see a lot of fans not renewing season tickets whilst McCoist is in charge next season. Know quite a few people that are doing the same

Couldn't have written better myself. I am 57 years old and have watched the Rangers for most if as a Bind Holder and Season Ticket Holder. The only difference is that I said this last season and did not renew. It broke my heart, but the football was and is garbage. The signings poor and the tactics and inspiration non existent. I will be back but only if Ally is gone. Me and 9000 former season ticket holders obviously think the same. How many this year if he is still the manager.

Saturday was an accident waiting to happen & has been all season. Its a surprise we got this far without losing a home game.
Worry is - the great fans, may well have had enough -only 34k & walking out at 60 mins -I've never heard the bears so angry.
We need some good news and quick!

bil72

It's good to see loyalty. They may only have a few hundred all told, but supporters of the likes of East Stirling are supporters come thick or thin.

They are not just going to support when the club is successful, that's not being a supporter. My team has been St. Mirren for nearly 40 years. Not much success there, but I have never paid to see anyone else.

If St. Mirren disappeared, then perhaps I would, but I have no idea who it would be. Certainly not Greenock Morton! :D

(Celtic fan alert): My big mate has said the same all year. He stayed by the club through loyalty but the football on the park is stretching his patience.

Remember, there are a lot of "bears" who didn't renew this season but will jump back onboard once you return to the top. Probably claiming that "they were there when. ". Don't say I'm wrong, I know many! OldCo, NewCo, whatever. it will be a major test of loyalty if you're asked to go back next year (at a dearer price) and endure the same. So my hat off to the true fans.

As a Celt, I want Ally in place for the remainder of his 25 year contract. You have some decent players who should stand out against 3rd Div teams. Saying the pitches are crap only explains some away games. My mate only goes to the home games and says the Gers are woeful. Your superior fitness, professional training, passing, interplay and all-round ability should be clearly evident against such weak opposition. But no!

You could get rid of the current team, most of home chosen by AMcC, and put your faith in the management to bring in superior players. Best of luck! Or you could look at managers who have done great things on a shoe string. Managers who have developed young kids into top pro's without MP and the numerous highly paid coaches at The Rangers. Managers who can take a 3rd Div player and having him playing like a Brazilian, not AMcC who took a Brazilian. you know the rest.

This was/is a great opportunity to start from the bottom, work your way up with the support of a new core of fans on top of the one's that stayed. Entertain them, let them see emerging talent they can get behind, let them love RFC for the football it plays and the passion from their fans and their players together. No more hatred, no more greed. just football and the fans.

Maybes aye, maybes naw. I wish the true fans well!

Shuggy

To the op - I feel for you! I was there on Saturday and Annan played us off the park - better passing, guile and spirit. But I will be renewing my season ticket because without us there won't be any Rangers
Chin up.
JMG

Cheers for the feedback folks.

I have followed Rangers all over Scotland since I turned 12. Been abroad and to many pre season away matches etc. I have proven myself as a loyal fan, and perhaps that loyalty will shine through in the end and I may renew after all. We won't know until the time comes I guess.

At the end of the day I am a football fan too, and what we are currently being served up is not football. It is garbage.

s20c