24 Mar 2024 14:03:14
Shankland
39 games
27 goals
Dessers
43 games
16 goals.
24 Mar 2024 14:13:31
Can't believe its even a debate, Shankland everyday of the week.
24 Mar 2024 15:02:32
How many penalties Stu?
24 Mar 2024 15:03:00
Also, best shown the Sl games and goals as this is a level playing field.
24 Mar 2024 15:08:36
Going forward both aren’t the standard required.
But at this moment in time Dessers is a Rangers player and will get my support.
Shankland will never be a Rangers player.
24 Mar 2024 15:09:00
Niether if we want to progress.
24 Mar 2024 15:17:37
Forget it Stu, you're wasting your time. Shankland is head and shoulders better that Dessers, and if a current Rangers player had his scoring stats, they'd be plenty on here claiming he'd be worth 30m. You know it's true!
24 Mar 2024 15:32:41
How many penalties Dado, Would you apply that theory to Tav if debating achievements?
24 Mar 2024 15:48:13
Yeah but we’re not RTG, trying to get a level playing field for comparison.
24 Mar 2024 15:51:37
Shankland 3 pens this year. Keeping in mind also the chances we create in games will be more than what hearts create.
24 Mar 2024 16:43:26
So its only applied if it fits the narrative? Do we take freekicks out the equation aswell then? It sounds like you are trying to remove factors to suit your point.
Shankland has played 3445 minutes and has scored 27 goals, a goal every 127 minutes.
Dessers has played 2591 minutes and has scored 16 goals, a goal every 161 minutes.
As paul said shankland has 3 pens and won't get half the chances that Dessers gets in our team. All the evidence shows that shankland is a better striker.
24 Mar 2024 17:21:33
The point I'm making Dado is that Tav is in the top 10 defenders in history for goals scored. That stat has not been limited to just goals from open play. So I don't see how removing the penalty stat would somehow prove Dessers to be the better striker. You still have to put the ball in the net from a penalty.
24 Mar 2024 17:26:40
Shankland would help us progress imo -albeit he would not be a long term option regarding money back but we need to score on a regular basis over next few seasons if we want to win leagues and am sure the boy would help us there!
24 Mar 2024 17:34:31
We need better than both to progress.
24 Mar 2024 17:53:20
Shankland averages 3.7 shots on goal.
1.4 which are on target.
Hearts average 13.7 shots on goal.
Meaning Shankland gets about 27% of those chances.
Dessers averages 3.0 shots per game.
1.4 which are on target.
Rangers average 21.3 shots on goal.
Meaning Dessers gets about 14% of those chances.
I’m not sure why people think Shankland is going to start getting more of those chances?
We need better than both.
24 Mar 2024 17:53:48
Our main striker must be able to score in the league but also in europe. We should be looking for better than shankland.
24 Mar 2024 18:16:57
Shankland penalty conversion rate is 82.86% whereas Dessers penalty conversion rate is 73.33% so I don't think removing the penalty stat would do Dessers any favours in this debate.
Those are very interesting stats MrPotatoHead and I would conclude that Shankland gets into better positions to get the majority of chances.
Also I would bear in mind that we probably commit more players forward into goal scoring areas than Hearts, perhaps tactics could be a factor?
However I think its rather obvious that Shankland is the better striker when we look at the stats and I do agree that we need better than both going forward.
24 Mar 2024 19:03:42
We buy two strikers in the summer and Shankland one, a believe we are still interested in Dhenky as well, if you want to know who else we are buying just ask lol.
24 Mar 2024 20:09:36
Pretty well balanced stats without agenda MPH, well done and thanks for sharing.
Dessers looks like he needs to try and get more chances but he’s certainly holding his own when compared to Shankland.
Hopefully we’ll get an upgrade on Dessers next season and clearly based on the stats it won’t be Shankland.
24 Mar 2024 20:39:27
17 penalties scored out of 21 is not 82.86 %.
24 Mar 2024 21:25:25
Tbh can't be ar#ed with all the Shankland talk, if we're going to sign him we will, still a bit to go till nxt window. Agree we need better n think most do also.
24 Mar 2024 21:35:22
Not worth arguing John, his agenda has been clear all day.
24 Mar 2024 22:03:08
Tbf he's had 12 games in Europe scored 6 so he does score in Europe. Just over 100 mins for Scotland scored 1.
24 Mar 2024 22:28:42
Shankland slow maybe too slow for PC - but he’s deadly when in front of goal - if they signed him he would score against most other prem teams and be a real threat for them - based on that I think we should sign him but only 2m max price or wait and sign him Jan on a pre contract - would score 20+ a season for us ??????.
25 Mar 2024 00:04:43
That percentage isn't far away.17 from 21 is a baw hair away from 81%.
25 Mar 2024 06:44:49
John go and look at footystats, they say that Shankland's conversion rate is 29 out of 35 which is 82.86%. I'm not sure where you get 17 from 21 but I urge you to check again.
25 Mar 2024 08:50:19
Transfer market re carrier penalties, rtg.
25 Mar 2024 08:55:04
Imagine signing shankland and he doesn't kick his a***! Happened before with players. I'd wait and see what else big Phil has up his sleeve.
25 Mar 2024 10:02:10
Leerc agree.
Four rangers managers 3 dofs have never made an approach for shankland.
25 Mar 2024 10:14:26
Your post makes no sense John.
25 Mar 2024 11:18:40
RTg, nae luck. Don’t know what u can’t understand.
25 Mar 2024 13:09:23
Naebody fecking wanted him, hows that hard.
25 Mar 2024 14:05:24
"Re carrier" perhaps you could explain it in english? Just because no manager or dof wanted him does not mean that Dessers is the better player. How hard is that?
25 Mar 2024 14:51:15
Could be wrong but I think John meant:-
Career - isn't difficult to decipher.
25 Mar 2024 15:41:45
Obviously someone thought he was or we'd have signed Shankland.
25 Mar 2024 15:49:09
If its not difficult to decipher then why say you could be wrong? By your own admission you are not 100% sure.
Anyway if he did mean career penalties his 17 from 21 is still wrong. That's why I said it doesn't make sense.
25 Mar 2024 16:10:01
Fork a think you'll find a lot of us as fans want him mate, we'll continue to voice our opinions on it. If your sick of speaking about it fair enough, scroll on, how's that hard?
25 Mar 2024 17:06:23
Rtg for that I apology. Predictive text
Sorry I have an opinion.
25 Mar 2024 17:07:13
Rtg can u enlighten us how many career penaltdessers has taken.
25 Mar 2024 17:07:41
Mrph u r correct.
25 Mar 2024 17:49:01
Not a worry BB3?could he do a job, probably, but we need better though imo. Have always said that, just fed up with the will he won't he.
25 Mar 2024 19:31:17
For someone who is so "fed up" with it, fork, you don't half post a lot on the subject (4 in this thread alone) . If you're that fed up, scroll past, it's what most would do. Just saying!
25 Mar 2024 19:48:13
Yes John 29 out of 35, 82.86% conversion rate. I have posted this at least three or four times. Apology accepted?, I just couldn't make out what "re carrier" was meant to be.
25 Mar 2024 19:54:32
Fork that wasn't ment as a dig mate, when read it back to myself there sounded a bit on the edge, but in no way was it a dig to one of my fav posters ? oh feck it step outside fork, for a square jig ?.
25 Mar 2024 20:19:45
Dessers has 11 out of 15, 73.33% conversion rate John.
25 Mar 2024 23:43:14
I think the league would have been just about done if we had signed Shankland.
26 Mar 2024 09:07:58
Transfermarket says 17 from 21 RTg.
26 Mar 2024 15:34:24
Footystats says 11 from 15.
26 Mar 2024 15:41:59
I just checked Transfermarket John and it says he has scored 12 career penalties and missed 4. So 16 in total.
26 Mar 2024 16:39:44
Footystats I'm assuming hasn't updated with his penalty for Nigeria the other night.