21 Apr 2025 09:45:13
If the takeover happens, they will not spend big, they will spend very wisely on bringing players in who will make money, that's the way to go.
21 Apr 2025 10:15:08
What do you mean "if the takeover happens" Cavanagh and the 49ers have what they need for the 51%, it's just down to the lawyers looking over stuff, then signing everything off.
21 Apr 2025 10:44:59
They haven't paid for the shares. they have only agreement for holders to sell 51%, until the money is in the bank its not a done deal.
21 Apr 2025 10:48:07
If Leeds are anything to go by, they will likely sell a few of our assets this summer when the stock is high, probably Raskin and Igamane so that they can give the new manager some money to work with. That's just an educated guess based on what Leeds done though as i know F all lol.
21 Apr 2025 10:57:20
When it happens, what we spend can be calculated as per UEFAs Cost Control rules.
Current predictions are that we will have £4m to spend in addition to committed signings.
21 Apr 2025 11:11:07
I agree Stoozie think we will sell a few players to allow us to stay within FIFA fareplay I think we will keep Raskin he will be our captain and command a bigger fee the next season I think Diamonde will be our biggest sale, injury prone players will also be moved on.
21 Apr 2025 11:14:21
EHL is wages not the tying point transfer fees can be what they want and spread across the length of contract?
21 Apr 2025 11:17:33
Well that's a bummer EHL.
21 Apr 2025 11:25:36
EHL I'm guessing but that figure won't include if we sell the likes of Davies Dowell and co plus and money saved on end of contract.
21 Apr 2025 11:27:27
Ehl cpuld that not change with player sales and new sponsorship.
21 Apr 2025 11:28:18
And again if we are not too concerned over europe
Then scotland doea not have any ffp rules.
21 Apr 2025 11:29:30
Also people are so scared of ffp then why is it uefa are not punishing lyon even though well reported that they are way over ffp and french league considering sanctions thenselves.
21 Apr 2025 11:41:13
Farlo, £4m is based loosely on the 7 loanees being moved on permanently and the out of contract players moving on.
So doesn't include the sale of players currently in the squad.
Foreverrangers, in terms of sponsorship etc, yeah this would increase our turnover, but this is more likely to impact the next set of accounts.
Not sure what your point is in terms of withdrawing from Europe - as I can't see this helping us attract players?
Rangers56, we can sign Loan to Buy deals to nudge the fee along or phase the payments as you suggest.
Fork, lol, it sure is! But on the plus side £4m is 5 Jeftes!
21 Apr 2025 11:42:17
Lennon Miller, that's an investment. Him, Rice, and Raskin can build the team around. Igamane I think we will keep unless a silly offer comes in £10m plus.
21 Apr 2025 11:44:41
It's entirely possible to go the AC Milan route, they forfeited their European spot to get round FFP rules when they were in a mess.
We could do the same, actually if we're serious about wrestling the title from the other side it's the best short term option to fix the club and have a proper re-build.
21 Apr 2025 11:51:45
EHL
Can I assume that doesn't include any potential money we make from signings
Say we sold Raskin for x amount would we be able to add that to the 4 million you suggest we may have left to spend?
Also EHl hate having to ask you to go over old ground
The committed signings is that the likes of
Cameron
Cortes
Kasa
Fernandes
Anyone else I'm missing?
21 Apr 2025 12:06:25
We can also spend this summer on the assumption we qualify for champions league and if not, then have to sell players before 30th of June next year. few prem clubs have gone down this route, that's when you see, Newcastle, Chelsea and Forrest buying each others youth academy players (zilch to drop through the P&L) going for £35m a piece.
Obviously risky processes but common.
21 Apr 2025 12:14:45
Stig, correct, doesn't include any money generated from sales - i. e. Diomande.
I couldn't confirmation around who the committed funds related to, contact was being very coy on it.
I assume it includes Cortes, Kasa, Fernandes and our LW - which is about £4m.
So effectively spending £8m - which is on par with what we usually spend.
21 Apr 2025 12:29:37
Thanks EHL ?.
21 Apr 2025 12:55:17
Goodness £4 million to spend in the Transfer market coming! Another second place coming and we plod on✌️??.
21 Apr 2025 12:59:54
Bad move to sell the one or two good payers we have like Raskin unless its for megabucks because that would just add another position that we are short of quality, we should be able to raise cash by selling Dowell, Cifuentes, Davies, Matondo and the likes of Propper, Yilmaz, Dessers and possibly Danilo and Bajrami.
If we only have £4 million to spend we can forget about getting a decent manager and challenging next season. I'm not expecting the new owners to spend tens of millions but they have to find a way of doing more than that . Loans to buy maybe to defer the cost until the following season?
21 Apr 2025 13:29:17
Can't see us competing next season with a budget like that and the players that are meant to be coming in.
Waiting on Cortes to show us what he can do, really hope he gets a chance the next 5 games to show us what we could potentially have next season.
Kasa, I was probably in the minority thinking he looked ok and not brilliant and was wanting him to kick on but that injury just summed up our luck and I'm now worried we're going to sign a player who has had 2 serious knee injuries by only 22.
Fernandes, seen very little to even have a strong opinion on him, again hope he gets a chance in the coming weeks.
Know what we're getting in Cameron, strong squad player potential to be a starter but that'll come down to him and who else we bring in.
Hope this LW is a cracker whoever he is because we're going to need a few of them.
4 Jeftes EHL. God help us! ??.
21 Apr 2025 13:43:34
Just to help provide some context to the £4m as I know it's a low number.
Our turnover last year was a record £88m, it's forecast to be down slightly this year to £85m - mainly due to the stadium issues at the start of the season.
This would give us £60m to spend on wages, transfers and fees as per UEFAs rules.
Last year's wages were £61m, but based on the work done by PC and NK to downsize these are forecast to be around £8m lower at £53m.
So we have £7m left over - some of which has been committed to payments for existing players or agreed transfers.
To provide some context, Celtics wages are around 50% of their turnover - hence why they can put spend us comfortably.
21 Apr 2025 13:47:44
I see johnthomson1979 has graced us with his usual once or twice a year post. Last post was telling us Dessers Lawrence etc would be away in the summer window.
21 Apr 2025 13:51:05
Is fernandes an option/ obligation to buy he's barley kicked a ball since he came in don't even know if he's any good?
21 Apr 2025 13:59:39
To add to the finance stuff. Don't know if this is common knowledge but there is a work around on transfer fees. So basically the fee paid can be spread out for the contract duration (see Chelsea for prime example)
It's easier to explain what I mean by giving an example. So say we spend £3m on a player and sign him on a 3 year contract. This players cost would be £1m per year. So would only impact FFP by a fee of £1m rather than the £3m.
At least that is my understanding of it but happy to be corrected if wrong.
{Ed001's Note - correct, but the sale of a player impacts immediately as the full transfer fee (even though the club doesn't receive it up front in one go) is used to calculate income in the accounts. That's why there was all the dodgy moves in England last summer.}
21 Apr 2025 14:09:13
Yeah just double checked I was right and it's amortization. So basically wages hamper FFP more than transfer fees. Chelsea signing Moises Caicedo for 100 off million on a 8.5 year contract meant that it only costs them like 16m per season rather than the one big fee.
Sales of players like Dowell, Davies and Cifuentes will go straight into the accounts allowing us to spend more than what is perceived to be allowed. It's making sure we are signing players on lower wages and getting the larger wages like Butland, Tav, Lawrence and Matondo off the books.
21 Apr 2025 14:49:27
EHL do you reckon Celtics salaries are in a par with ours?
I would have assumed there's was much higher with big earners such as Schmeichal, Trusty, CCV, Johnstone, McGregor, Engles, Jota, Forrest, Maeda etc.
I would have thought all of those guys would have been £20k+ I presume we only have 3 or 4 guys on those types of salaries (Butland, Tav, Davies and Matondo)
21 Apr 2025 15:18:45
Rfc733 I like the sound of that.
21 Apr 2025 15:22:14
Zikos, last set of accounts our salaries were pretty much equal.
21 Apr 2025 15:53:11
EHL, with regards to Stadium issues, surely that comes the infrastructure umbrella and doesn't count towards FFP monies. We can also spend upto and in some cases €5M in each reporting period (3years) .
However, it can exceed that level to a limit if it is covered by a direct contribution from the club's owner. With the new takeover we will now have majority ownership of the Club in Cavanagh and 49ers, this can also give more movement in finances if I'm not mistaken. We can also free monies up against Club assets, such as NEH, RTC and the renaming of Ibrox Sradium. i'm not expert, that's just my educated understanding of things.
21 Apr 2025 16:08:54
Not sure we have a commitment to buy Fernandes and Kasa, that plus the commitment to buy Cortes is utter madness. We should offer the selling team a million and give them the sick note player back.
21 Apr 2025 16:58:56
So would just like to point out that we can't compare what they have done to Leeds regarding player sales etc as Leeds were forced into selling lots of their talent due to the money owed as they were in serious financial trouble from the past regime and had a set amount that needed to be paid off last summer. That's why they have sold £160m and spent like £30m.
We really can't use that as a measuring stick to say what they will do but it certainly won't pumping tens of millions into player purchases.
21 Apr 2025 17:14:57
I did not say withdraw . there would be a punishment but expulsion is unlikely.
I also still believe it is only aatter of time before ffp is challenged and thrown out by courts
We could see it sooner than later with man city depending on what theu decide to do.
21 Apr 2025 17:20:52
And it happens nearly every season in seria A edd.
21 Apr 2025 17:24:13
Who are uefa to tell owners what they can spend in multiple different countries
Its madness who then owns the clubs owner or uefa because uefa use the clib to make money also so in the eyes of a court they could be considered bias and only wanting to keep a status quo of highly regarded clubs.
Mark my words only a matter of time before ffp gone
Do you think saudi prince or whoever next big money guy is will continue to accept uefa control over thier asset.
21 Apr 2025 17:25:18
Doea uefa go tell mcdonalds how many stores they can open or how many employees they can have because they want an involvement in football.
21 Apr 2025 17:41:54
Jasper, yeah the club cam spend on infrastructure out with the Cost Control rules - however I think any costs to finance would be included.
Think the logic is to allow wealthy owners to improve clubs, but to prevent owners doing so and leaving huge sums of debt behind that makes clubs unsustainable.
Could be wrong, but I think this is where Everton got caught out, as they originally excluded the interest fees etc for the debt to build the new stadium.
It's all a little to complicated for me to fully understand - but in principle I have to admit, I agree with the UEFA rules.
21 Apr 2025 19:00:04
Great info ehl ?.