Rangers Debates 2

18 Nov 2025 21:58:48
Lance Corporal Jones here🫡 They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mannering, they don't like it up 'em.

Delighted I know nothing about football. 😁😁😁.

18 Nov 2025 20:48:05
We need Neil McCann back at the club pronto! He reads the game superbly and has a very astute tactical mind.

19 Nov 2025 00:51:21
Which is why he's had such a successful career as a coach and manager.

19 Nov 2025 12:33:59
SWMC - 🤣🤣

I just don't see this top coach people do when he talks.

I was far more impressed by Mo Ross speaking if that's what we're judging it on.

17 Nov 2025 15:41:20
Scott fry supposobly appointed set piece coach, ex Lincoln city set piece coach and supposobly Lincoln during that time were the best % of set piece goals in the efl. Only what I've read online and don't know nothing about him personally.

17 Nov 2025 16:01:44
Davie read it after Scott put up a post, impressive stats.

15 Nov 2025 21:49:14
Scotland are such a hard watch. Luckily its still in our own hands thanks to Belarus.
Good fight back but we started terribly and we missed so many chances. Che Adams should not be our starting striker, he is very poor. Cannon Doak is a very exciting talent.

15 Nov 2025 22:28:57
We live to fight another day.

15 Nov 2025 22:47:08
Who would you start on Tuesday jfm?

16 Nov 2025 23:02:52
start to win the game first, score goals, begin with shankland, replace him with more strong runners after we are in front, like Adams or Dykes, at least try to get in front for a change,

let the fb and Doak attack and supply ammo

get in front then to to stretch them and see the game out

however i suspect the manager will try to defend for 80 mins.

17 Nov 2025 00:19:06
The manager said that Shankland will get you goals, then he gives him a few minutes, Adams is not the answer neither is Dykes who's first touch is a clearance, Conway is better than both of them and Hirst.

Well Clarke can't play for a 0-0 next game so I think he won't sleep till then.

17 Nov 2025 08:48:56
Problem is the managers negativity. No chance we'll take the game to them. Glorious failure looms. Be bringing more defenders on later in the game if we are still chasing a result and any forward who's on will need to get back behind the ball.

17 Nov 2025 09:37:34
he knows adams will run all day, as will dykes,

neither has any quality and shankland is a far better footballer and goalscorer

he prefers the hard runners i think

i have a horrible feeling he will go into this trying to be still in it late on, instead of going for it.

17 Nov 2025 10:49:38
Exactly what will happen Tom.

17 Nov 2025 13:31:16
Bigger, wouldn't be surprised if Conway is the next Scotland manager main man, agree with your post about better than the rest, Adams is doing well in Italy.

17 Nov 2025 16:03:34
My star is Conway not a player at present, can't see how he will be next manager, unless I'm missing something.

17 Nov 2025 16:08:14
Lol, I think he meant "Managers Main Striker. " John👍.

17 Nov 2025 16:17:11
Very good player John, always stands out for Middlesbrough anytime i watch them. Stewart imo is better than any them but he's not near Clarke squad.

17 Nov 2025 16:20:57
Or Bristol City, I was wanting us signing him before Middlesbrough.

18 Nov 2025 20:49:02
Cool my star.

15 Nov 2025 18:10:56
Someone had mentioned igamane in relation to the Thelwell movie, and for me that's what it was, a total scripted production of mince, but my point is some say hamza had his head turned, which happens all the time.
but Martin had a clear problem with him from the very start, did the lad not have quite a long term deal, yes might have been unhappy but surely we could have stood our ground and told him he's going nowhere, and to buckle down even given him a wage rise sure he wasn't on big money compared to others.
after all he signed a contract and we pay the wages.


yes might have went in huff for a while but couldn't see that lasting long, the lad wants an international career,
My problem I feel was that he was seen as an asset to sell early on to boost the kitty by those in suits, the deal made was horrendous if you think about it, Lillie will be laughing at the end of the season if talk of psg and others rings true. Yes we have a sell on but the fee we got was poor. The lad will go far in the game.
Again this falls on Thelwells overall poor performance, he needs to go.

15 Nov 2025 19:05:11
What do u mean by scripted?

15 Nov 2025 19:24:42
Softball interview, tame questions, known in advance, no follow up or pressing. An opportunity to spin a line, that's my take on what he means by scripted.

15 Nov 2025 19:53:27
Like all the questions he knew where coming and therefore knew the correct answers, that wasn't off the cuff.

15 Nov 2025 20:02:26
Shota, Iga was contacted by Martin before preseason had begun and told he wasn't in his plans and he was free to find a new club.

Same situation with Dessers.

Then, we struggled to find replacements and both reported back.

Not sure if you recall that Dessers was pictured travelling for a medical well before he moved and the club also made up some 'fake news' about Hamza returning late due to visa issues.

It was a mess.

15 Nov 2025 20:44:16
EHL nice to know Russell couldn't see a good striker that was standing in front of him, then goes and shells out good money on a project striker, surely Thelwell should have pulled him to the side and say are you sure as this could tits up big style if you get this wrong, low and behold that's what exactly happened, we've now got a striker who couldn't hit a coo on the arse with stick.

16 Nov 2025 09:52:38
It just goes to show how much of a duffer Martin truly is, all for his so called philosophy of football, had we kept hamza for at least another season we would have been quids in and not in the mess we are in now up front.
RM was a right donkey, and that's giving donkeys a bad name.
Cheers EHL on clarification.

16 Nov 2025 11:48:55
Igamane wanted away for a while. Martin wasn't to blame for that.

16 Nov 2025 13:15:07
All the directors of this and that must require name badges so all of them know who and what they are, is there a director of directors? that might help.

16 Nov 2025 17:27:03
Martin told iga he wasn't in his plans?


Wow?

That man knows zero anoit football. That's a new low.

16 Nov 2025 21:11:13
What a calamitous decision to appoint Martin. If as I believe it was on Thelwell when Rohl was 1st choice, then that in itself is a stackable offence.

17 Nov 2025 07:15:56
I'm afraid that's not true Scot.

17 Nov 2025 07:15:58
if it wasn't for martins input i believe we would have had shanks and Iga together and mulligan too

he wanted Aarons. Rothwell and another instead and told iga and Dessers to go,

that's such an indictment of the man as a head coach.

17 Nov 2025 11:59:44
EHL - didn't you imply he wanted away since the time the fans banner went up about keeping Europe for Europeans?

17 Nov 2025 16:35:02
Am sure he did say at the time he wanted away MVG.

14 Nov 2025 18:30:41
As expected Willie Collum confirms that you can now kick your opponent in the head in Scottish football without being sent off. I expect this highly creative interpretation of the relevant law will hold exactly until the moment the next non Rangers player is kicked in the head. 🫡.

14 Nov 2025 22:35:42
Florida Bear. I have been told that wheels are in motion not just concerning this matter but a lot of issues and not just Regarding Rangers.

14 Nov 2025 23:34:16
Blows my mind florida, honestly mate.

15 Nov 2025 00:25:29
It dangerous play if you attempt to kick the ball if a keeper has got it under control, but it's ok if you kick the keeper on the head, mental.

15 Nov 2025 08:49:12
He hasn't said its okay, if it was okay it wouldn't get a booking or even a foul.

15 Nov 2025 09:09:28
Cool JFM, so kicking a keeper on the head isn't dangerous play.

15 Nov 2025 09:39:10
But it is dangerous play if you attempt to kick the ball if a keeper has got it under control, but it not dangerous play kicking him on the head, couldn't make that up.

15 Nov 2025 09:43:03
I never said that, I have clearly stated when it happened that imo it was a red. Just the phrase he said its okay is just misrepresentation of what was said.
Is this going to be another Chermiti discussion, with you where you tell me I've said something that I didn't.
Some things never change.

15 Nov 2025 09:58:46
Just for your clarification I've cut and pasted the regulations around dangerous play.

Key Details from the Rules
It results in an Indirect Free Kick (IFK) : If a player plays in a dangerous manner, the opposing team is awarded an indirect free kick from the spot of the infringement.
No contact is necessary: The offense is typically called when a player's action, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including themselves or an opponent), causing a nearby opponent to stop playing the ball for fear of injury. Physical contact is not required for this specific foul.
Examples: Common examples include a high boot near an opponent's head, or a player dropping to head a ball at a height where opponents would normally be expected to use their feet.
Different from other fouls:
If contact does occur, the referee will usually consider if a more serious direct free kick (DFK) offense has been committed, such as a careless, reckless, or excessively forceful challenge.
Reckless play involves disregard for the danger to an opponent and results in a caution (yellow card).
Serious foul play or using excessive force (which endangers an opponent's safety) results in a sending-off (red card).
The key distinction is that "playing in a dangerous manner" is about the potential for injury and the impact this threat has on an opponent's ability to play the ball safely, even without actual contact.

15 Nov 2025 10:00:55
JFM I'm only pointing out it's a red card, should have maybe put it better, and somethings certainty do never change.

15 Nov 2025 10:26:52
My star it's not ok, however the rule is clear, it's a yellow, rule should be changed in my opinion.

15 Nov 2025 10:33:20
I agree John the rule is the problem. Under the current rule its a yellow. Hopefully something gets sorted.

15 Nov 2025 10:36:54
Mystar that is not just what you were doing, as per normal you tried to put words in my post that simply weren't there. You also said Collum said its ojay to kick someone in the head, of course he didn't. At the time I thought it was a red but that is not what the current rule is. Rules need changing.

15 Nov 2025 11:10:55
Explain how I'm trying to put words in your post JFM? It should be a red card, kicking a keeper on the head is 100% dangerous play in any situation.
I was being sarcastic about Collum 🙄.

15 Nov 2025 11:23:46
Your post said Cool JFM, so kicking a player in the head isn't dangerous play.
Where did I say it isn't dangerous play?
Neither did Collum say its ok.
He said it was a yellow card and that under the current rule is correct.

The rule stinks but it is what's in place.
Your opinion is that is a red. I've posted the actual regulations. They don't agree with your opinion.

15 Nov 2025 12:17:30
Well fine then JFM, the rules need changed then, because kicking a keeper on the head is 100% dangerous play, my only point was it should have been a red card, it's dangerous play attempting to kick the ball if a keeper has got the ball under control but it's not dangerous play kicking his head, why i said you couldn't make they rules up.

15 Nov 2025 13:09:22
Yes I've said that as well, the rules need sorting.
Any rule that allows a ref to decide in his own mind whether the force of a kick should be a yellow or a red is imo flawed.
It puts a ref in a situation where one half will be annoyed even angry with the decision.

15 Nov 2025 13:57:07
For those saying by the rules the force is negligible and therefore yellow, to me that is if its part of his natural stride and he's actively trying to stop forward momentum.

He did not do the above he pulled his leg back and made a forward movement towards the head of a goalkeeper lying on the ground. That is not negligible force and thus is a red card.

I've said it before on here and I'll say it again. Willie Collum was the worst referee scotland has produced in decades. he should NOT be in charge of things and when you consider that fact its no surprise that these mistakes happen and will continue to happen until he is removed. He should be replaced by Hugh Dallas, a proper referee.

15 Nov 2025 14:17:22
There is no mention of the phrase negligible force in the current rules. It is a choice between reckless play which is a yellow or serious foul play or using excessive force which is a red. Anything outside of that is just fan opinion.

15 Nov 2025 17:45:52
Jfm, u r 100% correct re your interpretation of the present rule.

15 Nov 2025 18:32:33
This is the rule for serious foul play however the incident can only be classed as Violent Conduct as there is no opportunity to play the ball. The wording for which states this:

Deliberately kicking or striking an opponent after the ball has been played.

The punishment for which is a RED card

Anyone who says otherwise, including Willie Gollum, is wrong.

15 Nov 2025 19:11:04
Goram no they r not. Spoke to an English epl player who's says it's applied correctly as does all his team and management.

15 Nov 2025 19:25:34
No point in trying to convince anyone who feels that strongly. But to dismiss everybody else as wrong is laughable.
I thought it was a red when I first saw it until I watched it over and over.


There are people on here who I respect and their opinion is different from you. One of them is a very successful football coach. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

15 Nov 2025 19:29:22
The rule re violent conduct is below.
Where your belief it was violent conduct falls flat is in the use of excessive force. My wife has hit me harder when dusting.

Violent conduct in football is the use of excessive force or brutality against an opponent or another person when not challenging for the ball, which includes striking, kicking, or head-butting.

15 Nov 2025 19:49:50
If a player is lying on the ground anywhere else on the pitch and you kick him in the head its a red card always has been and always will be

The rule doesn't change because its a goalkeeper in the box.

15 Nov 2025 20:00:41
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

15 Nov 2025 20:14:38
Gram I've cut and pasted the regulations in this thread, either you haven't read them or you j7st choose to ignore them. The rules need changed but as they stand it was the correct decision.

15 Nov 2025 20:59:36
You completely miss the point of what I'm saying which is that ANY force to the head is excessive and as I have said already those who disagree are just completely wrong.

To quote your post where it says if it "endagers an opponents safety" it is a red card.

As a challenge to those who disagree why don't you lie on the floor and ask yourself whilst lying there helpless with a 6ft4 centre half bearing down on you how hard you'd want him to swing his foot before you feel endangered.

There are some very good posters on here who have a different view for sure but the kmi panel (who's opinion has never been questioned up until now) confirm that it should have been a RED card and the fact that some people on here continue to disagree with that is laughable.

To reiterate my point from earlier. As long as Collum remains in charge of refereeing in Scotland NOTHING will change. He was completely useless as a ref and now he's turning them all into incompetent copies of himself.

Collum needs to go.

15 Nov 2025 22:28:10
At the end of the day any player having a pause before kicking out at any players head should be a red card, Trusty could have easily caught Butland eye and because he doesn't that makes no difference imo, that rule needs looked at, matters not now, I was more pissed off about the weekend costing us four points, but mistakes will made.

16 Nov 2025 06:53:36
Refs don't send a player off based on a could have.

16 Nov 2025 07:03:30
Gram seeing as you're quoting a tiny piece of the rile that I posted to try to make a point it is nonsense to say any force at all is excessive.
At the end of the day the ref made a decision in real time. If anybody had got it wrong it was the VAR officials who had time to look at it that the ref just doesn't get. Engagement to an opponent is at the discretion of the referee.

It is not as easy as just saying it endangered Butland. That was the officials call to make not yours.
This is my last post to you on the subject as to suggest someone lie on the floor is ludicrous and I will not waste any more of my time responding to someone who just can't understand the rules of the game.

16 Nov 2025 07:27:24
JFM, you're very correct and where this problem comes from, because kicking a keeper on the head is dangerous play with any force or lack of force, red card all day long.

16 Nov 2025 08:11:59
JFM likewise this is my last subject on the matter.

You have proved my point yet again though yet still don't seem to get it.

It is indeed ludicrous because noone would do it. You wouldn't, the referees wouldn't and the var wouldnt. Heck our head of refereeing wouldnt. The reason? Because any force to the head is excessive. With the mass in the leg of a player that size it doesn't need to move that fast or that hard to generate an exc.

16 Nov 2025 08:13:36
Excessive amount of force.

To suggest I don't understand the rules because I take a different view from you and am engaging on a debates page is hilarious.

It is as it says a debate after all.

Been a pleasure JFM and I enjoy your input on this site.

17 Nov 2025 16:38:25
Going by the rules it's a yellow. It's not hard to understand either. do I agree with the rules no. Do I think it should have been a red yes. But the rules state yellow.