12 Nov 2025 18:38:19
Surprise Surprise, I see Collum has decided to back walsh's view that it was only a yellow, not enough force apparently, we already knew that's what he'd say.
12 Nov 2025 19:20:10
I know it's not popular, but based on what the referees presented to the clubs at the start of the season it's a yellow.
I'll say it again though - this doesn't mean I agree with rules or the application of them.
12 Nov 2025 19:23:43
That's what the rules imply, Fork.
Doesn't make it right in a lot of fans views.
12 Nov 2025 19:31:59
Oooffft I'm going to need to take a wee lie down with this news?.
12 Nov 2025 19:50:40
I have not seen it back but I would be of the opinion that any contact with the head is a sending off offence.
Concussion awareness and player safety has to be at the forefront of the mind.
12 Nov 2025 19:54:10
Shock horror. They are all w*nkers.
12 Nov 2025 20:07:55
Fully expected that Forky. Cardinal Collum is a rat ?.
12 Nov 2025 20:33:23
Boot anywhere near the head= red card, end of discussion.
12 Nov 2025 20:33:37
Lenient towards trusty and Daniel Cornelius in my opinion. Facts remain we weren't good enough anyway.
12 Nov 2025 20:58:03
What's the point of the KMI review then.
12 Nov 2025 21:00:30
So this sets a dangerous precedent.
You can purposely kick someone in the head as long as it's not too hard?
Not sure that's the message they should be promoting.
12 Nov 2025 21:00:53
You can see he intentionally did tho, he had a rush of blood to his head and flicked his foot to his head, if accidental then yes a yellow but it was not, Collum just covering.
12 Nov 2025 21:10:06
I think it's a red but if it's the rules then nothing else you can do.
12 Nov 2025 21:15:54
Dont think that's what lost us the tie anyway. let's move on.
12 Nov 2025 21:37:46
Force should not come into it, his intention was to kick him in the head. He actually hesitates before putting the foot in. Now what would have happened if Butland head was in a position that 1 of Trusty's metal studs went into Butland eye would it be the same. Its an utter joke, intention over rules force his intention was to leave a boot in that is endangering his opponent.
Why has no one pointed out the same ref sent Diomande off for less contact than trusty even though the whole var team told him he was wrong. I believe var said there's no force and his hand barely touched the player yet Walsh clearly states no i'm having him off for the "INTENTION"
12 Nov 2025 21:51:47
How late it is as well I think people are forgetting that he 100 percent knew what he was doing.
12 Nov 2025 22:02:44
I'm glad we can go out our way to kick Schmeichel in the head in January as long as we don't do it too hard. I expect it to be a free for all every corner.
13 Nov 2025 00:48:31
So let's get this, yae can kick a goalkeeper in the face and tske the yellow card, or boot him full force in the head and tske the red card, it's assault whichever way you look at it, it's not like kicking him in the leg say, kick him in the head we won't send you off, unless it's a deliberate full force kick, wtf.
13 Nov 2025 01:13:24
Well if the rules are you can kick opposition players in the head as long as it's a soft one is just crazy. I would love to know how they measure the force.
13 Nov 2025 01:41:47
Exactly flb, there's no point mate.
13 Nov 2025 06:10:11
Force has nothing has nothing to do with this, WHY did he put his boot there in the in the first place, Butland has clearly got the ball and he's nowhere near it, ??.
13 Nov 2025 07:56:33
Force has everything to do with it - it's the basis for the rules as they stand.
13 Nov 2025 08:07:45
So you can stop your action then EHL, but then a second later stick of your leg a make contact with the keepers head, very risky call now, any contact with the head is a red.
13 Nov 2025 08:18:57
EHL, if that's the case it's wrong, he's still had a sly kick when there was no need.
13 Nov 2025 08:42:05
MyStar - you can say any contact with the head is a red as many times as you like - it won't change the rules.
Watp - I agree, the rules are poorly written. UEFA have tweaked so many so many times that it makes the referees jobs 10 times harder.
13 Nov 2025 09:15:00
I don't know why we are all hanging on to Willie Collum's view so much
He is about the worst referee Scotland has produced in the last 20 years and the fact he is head of refereeing explains a lot.
The KMI panel have confirmed that it should have been a red card and as such this is another major decision that has gone against us. And yet another one that has had an influence on the outcome of an important cup game.
13 Nov 2025 09:58:37
Not sure why Scots referees have gon.
13 Nov 2025 10:15:20
EHL, not sure why Scottish referees have agreed to go against IFAB rules on this one. But if they have then what other rules have they decided to go against? Maybe on the day we weren't good enough but being disadvantagesd by playing with 10 for 90plus minutes must be have made a difference. The simple consideration is intent. I am sure in discussions with refs they did not say that players will not be sent off as long as the deliberate kick to the head isn't hard enough. So many players are sent off for accidental challenges that don't really cause injury or endanger opponents - like the Aasgaard challenge - but you would be hard pushed to argue against such challenges.
I have said this for years and that our players need to fall down holding our face or scream - the way Ralston does, and pressure referees BEFORE games and during. We need to play on a level playing field. Yes, every team gets desicions for and against but there does seem to be a pattern in old firm games where rules are bent if not broken to suit one team. Clement would probably still be in charge and maybe even Beale had big decisions in these games gone our way.
13 Nov 2025 10:19:20
That's not the rules tho any kick to the head is a red. Whether we want it to be or not.
On the day we weren't good enough to beat them but some fans take comfort in it as an excuse as to why we were beat. That's fine but we weren't good enough. DC a tackle was a red card also IMO so we didn't get one and we got away with one.
Flb the panel had always been irrelevant because it never changes anything after the game and it's only a matter of opinion and it was 2-1 in favour of Red. It means nothing.
13 Nov 2025 11:44:00
Thanks for clearing that up EHL. How much force from a kick to the head is required? Does the player need to be injured for example and to be rolling about the floor with blood pouring out of their head. I would argue that any deliberate kick to the head of a player who is lying on the ground is substantial force.
13 Nov 2025 11:58:15
Exactly storm, what's the point of them. Collum obviously pays no attention either to it.
13 Nov 2025 12:02:00
Might be mistaken but I thought the 3 man panel had voted 2 to 1 for red?
13 Nov 2025 12:46:54
Kmi, did not collum though.
13 Nov 2025 13:23:40
I think that's correct Seeker.
My interpretation although I might be wrong and stand to be corrected.
The on field ref should have given a straight red card according to the panel.
Willie Collum thinks VAR correct not to overturn the wrong on field decision.
You couldn't make that up mate.
13 Nov 2025 13:28:14
And that's the full issue in a nutshell, Seeker.
4 referees, on field deciding a yellow was suffice and another in the panel deciding a yellow was fine.
With 2 for reds.
A split between 4 refs even with VAR.
What chance do we have?
13 Nov 2025 13:40:59
BearAbroad - they haven't gone against IFAB though, so I'm not at all sure what you mean.
Rostosto - gain there isn't a specific rule around a 'head kick', so your question is null and void. Around the subjectivity of force, the league and referees agree and communicate how this will be administered at the start of the season.
Seeker, the panel review is pretty much pointless - although it did go on our 'favour' it wasn't unanimous. This again only highlights the issues with the rules being as subjective as they are.
13 Nov 2025 14:03:25
Stopping, then kicking Butland on the head is a red card, shouldn't even be questioned, or is Collum saying is ok if you stop and then kick him on the head as long as their is no force from the kick, never heard so much nonsense.