01 Nov 2025 08:47:08
Ach, missed the Legend debate, but here's my take anyway. A legend of a club is someone whose achievements stand them out way above the rest. At smaller clubs it could be longevity, top goals scorers or even those who had a good cup run for example. But at Rangers we have Legends that have won a European trophy, performed heroics in the champions league, won the 9 in a row, won trebles or multiple trophies.
Some have statues, and places named after them. As much as I've been a fan of Tav I wouldn't have him, or anyone else in this era for that matter rated alongside these club greats. A loyal servant, a great goalscorer but a level somewhere below our true legends.
01 Nov 2025 09:15:19
Here, here Kaiser?Bang on the money.
01 Nov 2025 09:20:07
? Kaiser.
01 Nov 2025 09:26:41
Would agree Kaiser, very good loyal servant. If he had won more titles and cups within his tenure possibly but at most he is just a good and loyal player to the club like we have had in the past.
01 Nov 2025 09:29:12
Agree with every word Kaiser.
01 Nov 2025 09:41:57
I agree Kaiser, none of them have achieved a status of being a legend, I just think the bile aimed at Tavernier is way over the top.
All this he's seen off so many managers, the managers seen their own lack of performance get them shown the door.
01 Nov 2025 09:52:40
Fair take—but I'd offer a different lens.
The bar for "legend" at Rangers is undeniably high. We're talking Laudrup, Greig, McCoist, Baxter, Gough… names carved into the club's history. But I don't believe it's a closed club. Legends aren't just born in trophies they're forged in context.
Tav didn't lift a European trophy, no. But he led us through the darkest chapter in our history and back to the summit. He's the captain who stood tall when the club was rebuilding its soul. Over 100 goals from right-back an absurd stat in any era and he lifted the title that stopped their 10. That wasn't just a league win. That was historic.
Now, if we're talking pure right-backs, maybe he's not above Jardine, Greig (in his early years), Shearer, or even Stevens. But he's in the conversation. And that matters.
Statues and street names are one thing. But legacy also lives in the hearts of fans who watched him drag us forward, week after week, when others might've walked. He's not just a "loyal servant"—he's been the face of a generation. And for many younger fans, he is their legend.
So maybe he's not in the marble hall yet. But give it 20 years when the dust has settled, the goals are still replayed, and the context is fully understood—he will be looked upon as a legend. Because legacy isn't just about what you win. It's about what you carry, and who you carry with you.
Anyway going for a 2-1 win on Sunday and I reckon he will score.
01 Nov 2025 09:53:50
Agree with that Kaiser ?.
01 Nov 2025 10:03:38
Jason i understand your point but I will reiterate the context I gave to the contrary last night.
James Tavernier has been a good servant to the club over many years.
That is where that sentence should end.
Legend i think not.
James Tavernier as captain has become synonymous with the culture of failure and unprofessionalism in the club.
He as captain is the epicenter of a failed leadership group who have shown zero character and have manufactured managers exits by not following instructions.
He has never carried himself as a Rangers captain far less a legend.
01 Nov 2025 10:26:04
Both Kaiser and Jason have put forward the most eloquent views on Tav than anybody else here. Tav will be looked on as a legend without a doubt in years to come and unfornate not to have won many, many more trophies than he has.
It's just great to hear an intelligent debate on the issue instead of listening to the toxic nonsense that some of our support spout.
01 Nov 2025 11:10:28
Does he become a legend if we win the treble this year?
01 Nov 2025 11:13:37
Appreciate both responses, lads—this is exactly the kind of debate our club deserves. Asathor, I hear you. There's no denying that Tav's captaincy has coincided with some deeply disappointing chapters, and questions around leadership culture are fair game. But I'd argue that failure at Rangers has never been a solo act it's systemic, layered, and often managerial as much as it is player-led.
Tavernier's record, though, isn't just about what he didn't win. It's about what he did endure. He walked through the fire Championship days, fan fury, managerial churn and still delivered goals, assists, and minutes like few others. That kind of consistency, especially in chaos, isn't nothing. Sure he not been a legendary captain but as a player.
Legend? Ok Maybe not in the traditional sense or in elite legend status. But in 10-20 years when folk look back.
Tav's name will be etched deeper than most. Not flawless. Not untouchable. But undeniably part of the story.
Kaiser cheers for the kind words. Debate like this keeps the soul of the club alive and why we are all a passionate bunch. He's certainly been one of the most debated players anyway.
Right i do believe we are going old school today a bit of day clubbing now that is generational for us old fellows ?.
01 Nov 2025 11:55:22
History will be much kinder to Tav than fans feel in the present. In terms of appearances, appearances as captain, goals, assists, euro final and stopping the 10.
In future years I see him regarded as a legend of the club without doubt.
I am fed up watching him play myself but he has led the club through some of our hardest times and deserves credit for that imo.
01 Nov 2025 12:06:41
Two very good posts Kaiser/Jason ?.
01 Nov 2025 12:10:56
Well put debate by both Kaiser and Jason.
Future generations will have a better say in this.
MFO, you read my mind. ?.
01 Nov 2025 12:18:26
Seems to me the Rangers supporters assuming Tav will only win 1 title in his Rangers career are the real losers.
Helicopter Sunday 5 points behind Celtic deep into the split, I never gave up back then and won't now!
01 Nov 2025 12:38:21
I also missed the debate.
The word Legend is used far too often at football clubs, and for me each club should only have one or two.
By definition, it's for those that are not of this era so Tav couldn't be called a Legend and imo shouldn't be when he has retired - but instead a club great.
I also wouldn't use the name Legend for any of the players I've seen since going to my first game in the early 80's. Some great players, but none of them Legends for me.
But in terms of that, I would place Tav higher than 99% of those during that time including the likes of Laudrup and Gascoigne. He might not have had the same level of success but played in a different era where he has never been at the dominant club and has shown more commitment and loyalty than most before him.
01 Nov 2025 13:00:40
We have had lots of great players including some of my favourites but legend status should be afforded to very few. In my lifetime I would say, Greig, Jardine, Gough, McCoist, Johnstone, Goram and Baxter.
I would love to sneak Laudrup onto that list as he's the greatest player I have seen in a Rangers jersey but I'm not sure he was with us long enough to qualify as a Legend.
01 Nov 2025 13:23:45
N take I started a bit of a debate yesterday then?
Being honest, you dhave my it totally on purpose lol
It sounds like everyone enjoyed a good debate though and that's what these sites are all about so good to hear that.
Imo he is, but that's my opinion.
01 Nov 2025 13:25:09
Thanks guys for the input and sensible debate. Appreciate your view too Jason. His record is truly remarkable and will always be remembered for that.
01 Nov 2025 13:34:25
Tav can be a legend in some peoples eyes that's fine but he couldn't even clean the boots for any of our legends in the past never mind lace them.
01 Nov 2025 13:45:31
But you have ricksen down as a legend asa? I also think not. Very good player once moved into midfield ( was pretty poor right back) great in middle but not a legend for me.
01 Nov 2025 14:06:26
That's quite an accusation Asa, of which I don't have any reason to doubt.
Do you mind me asking.
Do you express that with some insight from inside knowledge that you have gained with your standing from individuals at the club?
or is it just as opinion you've formed from the rumours you read and the things you've witnessed as the rest of us have from the outside?
I'm only asking because it would put some context and understanding on what you say.
01 Nov 2025 15:16:05
I'd agree with that Kaiser and Asathor ?.
01 Nov 2025 15:17:11
I agree that the word legend can be used a bit too freely and whether or not Tav can be considered one depends on context and criteria. However, there is no doubt that his contribution has been immense and is up there with some of the greatest I have seen in my near 60 years.
He has come closest to lifting a European trophy since Greig. And like Greig, l.