16 Apr 2025 14:26:56
Why is Dyche's name mentioned as a possible manager for Rangers what has he achieved, what has he done in Europe. What did he do as a player? Sick of people thinking English managers can help us even Lampard and Rooney mentioned why why why? Dyche left Everton in a mess. It took a Scot in Moyes to fix what he broke. As for Rangers ask yourself this, what nationality has been most successful as manager for us? OK give up! . I will answer, it is Scottish managers. Struth, Symon, big Jock Wallace, Souness, Walter Smith, McLeish, even now wee Barry has got us into a european Quarter final and beat Celtic at home since god knows when and with a duff group of players such as Propper, Cortes, Danillo, Nsalia, Bajrami etc etc. We don't want another Le' Guen, Caixinha so what Scottish manager is it going to be. p. s As for Gerrard he failed as a manager at Villa and at El Ettifaq and only won 1 competition out of 9 domestically and failed in Europe.
16 Apr 2025 14:54:19
I forgot Willie Waddell the only Rangers european win in a final and again its a Scot. Discussion in pub threw up names such as Darren Ferguson, Duncan Ferguson, Barry Ferguson, and for a laugh Steven Naismith, Stevie Clark, McInnes, Martindale, tony docherty, darren fletcher, kevin thompson, david Moyes, russell martin, Alex Neil, and Russel Martin. I would stick with what we have.
16 Apr 2025 15:07:58
As an outsider looking in, I can't disagree with that. Dick Advocaat excepted.
16 Apr 2025 15:10:36
I agree with the Scottish success part
Not sure who fits the bill just now though
Who would you like to see Ted?
16 Apr 2025 15:36:04
His name is rarely mentioned tbh and Everton were a mess when Dyche arrived both on the park and in the background as well. this isn't saying that he should be our manager but to blame all of Everton's ills on him is just wrong. just think points deductions and all his forwards being injured. Everton 16th when Dyke sacked now in lofty 13th; yes more wins under Moyes but not great movement up league.
so what about Advocaat as manager and GVB who took us to a European final; were they not successful managers. Clement got us through the group stages and into the 1/4 final as well at which point BF managed to get 1 good performance out of the same players.
Those managers you name had a large number of English and other nationalities playing under them so is you insularity limited to select English and Foreign managers or should we only sign Scottish players as well.
16 Apr 2025 15:52:40
Angus he means the majority of our success probably over his life time has came from Scottish managers as it has mine
Advocaat being the exception and GVB got sacked the final didn't save him from the chop so club didn't really see him as being successful final or not 6 months later he was gone
I'm not going to argue the point it was a great achievement and possibly in hindsight the club probably kicked themselves sacking him to bring in Beale especially the way it was done
The OP doesn't say anything about not signing other nationalities so not sure what your point is their
People go on what they have witnessed in their lifetime for the OP it's probably majority of time it was a Scottish manager who brought most success I might be wrong but that's how I'm reading it.
16 Apr 2025 15:57:35
ANGUS1812, My post was about managers and managers are totally different from current players. I can expand the Scottish manager theory not focusing on Rangers with Jock Stein, Bill Shankly, Tommy Docherty, Matt Busby, George Graham, Kenny Dalgleish and Alex Ferguson also Moyes given he has also won a recent European trophy. As for insulting the English I was not insulting them I was pointing out that there has been many english names put forward and I do not see what is so special, warburton, beale even Gerrard only one trophy.
I would love to have any player any nationality playing for or managing Rangers even the English but my point was about Rangers success and scottish maagers being successful nothing more. I would give wee Barry a try if he does well in remaining games because I think he has good staff and if he deserves it why not. However Wee Barry needs to stop saying things like "they listened to me" "i changed things" "its my team out there" "i gave them instructions" " my tactics worked".
It sounds like he is dying to take credit for all the good things and constantly wants people to know it's his decisions when things go well. He never says any of the above when getting beat so that needs to change.
16 Apr 2025 16:00:30
One other thing Walter Smith, Souness, McLeish, Jock Wallace etc etc none had experience as a manager before taking over Gers so why the need for experience.
16 Apr 2025 16:11:20
Football has moved on quite some way since those managers won for us. Also last manager to win the title was English.
Problem you find.
16 Apr 2025 16:21:43
ANGUS1812 I did not blame all Everton's ills on Dyche where did you get that from? I said he failed as a manager. As for Moyes he has probably saved them from the drop and has only one loss in 12 games in the league since taking over and that was to the league leaders away by one goal, they managed a draw at home. Dyche record was awful only 3 wins in last 19 games one point off relegation Moyes has them 17 points off relegation with wins against Forest, spurs, brighton, leicester, palace, and draws v man utd, liverpool, arsenal, wolves, brentford and his old club west ham.
In the league they may be 13th but virtually safe from relegation and sitting above the likes of man utd, spurs and west ham ok maybe 16th when he took over but now in 13th but the positions say nothing about the points he accumulated and the way he saved the club from relegation. he is also only 5 points of 10th that is some doing.
16 Apr 2025 16:46:19
It would be good if we can find a Scotsman with an exotic sounding name.
16 Apr 2025 17:30:42
Those successful managers you mention maybe apart from smith is not relevant when football has changed so much since then . You need to take that into consideration which you haven't.
16 Apr 2025 17:49:54
Tommygunxxx- Gerrard was last manager to win a trophy but to be fair Celtic imploded and made his job easier. Overall one trophy in 3 years was rubbish. Some of our fans look at it with Rose tinted specs because it stopped 10 in a row. He was found out at Villa and Al Ettifaq. As for his Rangers signings how about this lot. Bacuna 2m, Grezda 2m, Sadiq 1.8m, Polster free, Hastie free, Andy King free, Ejaria free, Ojo free, Jack Simpson free, Worrell loan, Kamberi loan, McAuley free, Zungu loan, Jordan Jones free, Barker half million, Itten 3m, Edmundson 800,000, Helander 3and a half million, all those free and loan signings got paid big wages for doing nothing do you want him back, would you trust him in the transfer market? p. s this is only some of them there are many others. he won the league with guys who were mainly already there guys such as Halliday, Tav, Morelos, patterson, Jack,
16 Apr 2025 17:56:37
I imagine Dyche has been named as he's available and will no doubt have expressed an interest.
At some point I've even seen Allardyce and Southgate mentioned.
The first wave of applications for the role was around 800, which rumours indicate have been reduced to a shortlist of 3.
I've heard some pretty consistent names mentioned from some pretty reliable sources on who those 3 are.
Personally I like 2 of the 3, and I'm 100% confident that none of the 3 will be met with unanimous joy - in fact, I expect them to be fairly divisive.
16 Apr 2025 17:56:53
Strmtrooper1- What about Moyes who recently won a european trophy and is currently doing welll managing in one of the top leagues in the world is he not "relevant"? . As for relevance I think it is relevant to look at recent managers failings such as, Beale, GVB, Clement, Warburton and then learn from mistakes. History often dictates how we learn ignore it at your peril.
16 Apr 2025 18:11:11
Ted u say gerrard last guy to win a trophy, what about Gio and pc.
16 Apr 2025 18:23:29
John2561. I meant league.
16 Apr 2025 18:25:29
John2561- it was in reply to stormtrooper1 when he said "" Also last manager to win the title was English""
16 Apr 2025 18:27:32
I meant tommygun, dohh.
16 Apr 2025 18:37:56
Three cheers, find him? We have him, bazvito fergusonito, numero uno!
16 Apr 2025 18:48:42
EHL
Can you rumour 1 name
John can you rumour 1 name
Both of you have heard about or possibly not heard about ?.
16 Apr 2025 18:49:06
Ted I am arguing because of your selective use of facts in the naming of Scottish managers from the last 80 years or so but forgetting the Mourinhos, Guardiolas, Klopps (do I need to go on) . the last Scottish manager to win a trophy in England was Ferguson in 2012/ 13 and in fact it was as long ago as 2007/ 08 when one won the league up here (Strachan) so the relevance of the use of their names is a little historical. Granted English managers not much more successful but to totally remove any foreign manager does remove the most successful demographic in the last 20 years. but let's just say we go Scottish who do you suggest? there aren't the same calibre of Scottish managers around as there were 20 years ago.
Dyche was employed by Everton to keep them up and managed to do that for last 2 seasons despite the basket case the club was and the points deductions. so he was successful in keeping them up. Moyes took over after the sale of the club and has done well. Not saying Dyche is great but he successfully kept them in EPL so depends what the club think success looks like. again don't want him as manager and imagine as EHL says he is one of the available names and like every other one the bookies mention is just there to take punters money.
16 Apr 2025 18:52:07
Stig I realise why he is saying it but it is a very insular viewpoint and I was pointing out perhaps badly that to carry that insularity on would we not then do the same with players. You can argue any point if you pick and choose the facts you wish to back the argument you want to make. I was just using the opposite facts to argue the opposing view.
However I don't think we should limit our manager search to Scottish managers in part as I can't think of any who I would consider to be in the frame, unless you count Russell Martin ?.
16 Apr 2025 18:55:41
Ted, genuinely don't know where to start with that nonsense!
Most of those signings are just totally inaccurate.
Players he signed that contributed to the invincible season.
McGregor, Goldson, Helander, Barasic, Kamara, Davis, Kent, Aribo, Roofe, loads others.
16 Apr 2025 19:27:56
Ted, most of the Scottish names you mentioned actually show why it would be hard to get a good Scottish manager because there isn't one. Maybe David Moyes but the rest are all crap . You mentioned Russell Martin twice to make your point forgetting that he isn't actually Scottish.
It would be nice to get a Scottish ex player or at least a blue nose as our next manager but the bottom line there isn't one.
16 Apr 2025 19:39:46
Zikos he's talking about managers and being successful at Rangers not players and their nationalities
Angus I didn't say we should limit it to Scottish hence why I said couldn't think of anyone that could really do a job for us right now
Moyes good manager think he should stick with Everton though seems a perfect fit for both parties and good luck to them (sorry Ed) ?
We should try to stop nitpicking and just enjoy the post for what it was
Would be great to have a Scottish manager and be successful again
Argument finished ✅ ?
Now more importantly can't wait to see what meltdown occurs when the takeover is complete ?.
16 Apr 2025 19:44:17
Give wee Barry a chance, the guy has conceded how many goals since he came in? Our record for conceding since he came in has got worse not better, regardless of the result against them or Fenerbache he has shown this job is way over his head.
Football has massively changed since those managers mentioned were a success domestically. I couldn't care less what nationality the manager is just the best candidate.
Also this we need a Scottish manager for the job as they understand the league etc exactly which manager would be able to step up and do a job without being sacked 6 months later? Big Ange went to them lot from the Japanese league which is nothing like ours and dominated us and the rest of the league until he left.
16 Apr 2025 20:13:22
BBJ
Let's be honest not just Ange they have a tendency to pick the right manager recently
Is it the right manager or is it down to the right recruitment that makes their managers look good
Then again think Ange told them to go for the players from the Asian league and they listened
we could get the best manager but recruitment could do terrible and he doesn't get a chance
both need to be on the ball this time.
16 Apr 2025 20:14:28
Ted, so we are meant to guess.
16 Apr 2025 20:22:21
Stig, Ted brought the signings up which zikos mentions, granted after I widened the discussion to include only buying Scottish players since Scottish managers were what he was trying to limit us to. no you didn't say it but the OP did by using the success of Scottish Rangers managers.
dont care about meltdown as down care what Celtic or there supporters think though re your last point.
16 Apr 2025 21:21:52
Utter nonsense who is this guy? You spout some rubbish ted. Moyes won't come to Rangers he won't leave Everton do it is irrelevant like all the names from the past but you crack on Jesus wept.
16 Apr 2025 21:22:54
Ted you said last manager to win a trophy gio and pc won trophies and now you are trying to change it to league because you messed up ?.
16 Apr 2025 22:21:48
Excellent Storm. first Jesus wept for a while I think and well timed.
16 Apr 2025 23:58:52
It was obvious he meant league and I read it that way storm I don't even know nth poster but very obvious what he meant unless you all lost your common sense which seems to be the case these days on here
Everyone has to spell out in capitals what their implying
Jesus wept right enough what has happened on here folk are really killing the forum without realising it.
17 Apr 2025 03:48:33
Only place I've read dyche is on the million man shortlist presented by SWS.
17 Apr 2025 08:37:55
The main point here is that you need to look outside what made Rangers successful in the past. tbh it was money since 1986 until 2012. we need to look at the wider footballing world now and choose the best manager whatever nationality to make us compete again firstly. If anyone thinks we have the best chance of that with any of the 3 Ferguson's or the list in the OP then I would be surprised. Moyes being the exception and he isn't moving from Everton.
and Stig lighten up mate it is a discussion forum where we are all allowed our opinions and won't all agree. it is what makes the forum interesting.
17 Apr 2025 09:05:39
I thought it was obvious that Ted meant the league title. Pile on because some can't read it properly. Jesus wept.
17 Apr 2025 09:55:15
Zikos - the guys you mention when we won league are correct yes Gerrard did bring in Kent, Goldson etc you are spot on. However you are totally wrong when you say I am talking "nonsense" as the names on my list are correct everyone of them was signed by Gerrard, all 18 and there are other duds as well.
I never mentioned coulibaly and Flanagan there are more but that is 20 players. As for one guy you mentioned as a good buy Helander, I also mentioned him 4million spent on a guy who barely played a match. So who is talking nonsense? look up any of those players i mentioned let me know what ones should not be on there. lol.
17 Apr 2025 10:17:26
Angus1812,
I never said there was no other good managers, what is wrong with you? i was making a point Scottish managers are good and the last scottish manager to win a trophy was moyes a european one at that. As for last 80 years no wrong again from the 70's that's 50 years. and most were from 80's and 90's
Also Alex Neil is fighting for a play off place after taking over Millwall when they were nearing relegation, Russell Martin also won promotion some say he is English but Scottish blood runs through his body and over 20 caps for Scotland. You argue for arguing sake from now on you are ignored.
17 Apr 2025 13:10:08
Stig and Dgers87, wish we were all mind readers and knew what he was thinking.