11 Nov 2025 23:16:13
What's the betting, willing to bet now Scotland does their normal and blows it, will lose to both Greece and Denmark.
Hate International Breaks.
11 Nov 2025 23:35:16
Surely Scotland can beat the little minnows of Denmark scrambled, Hampden is so much bigger than Parken.
12 Nov 2025 00:47:31
Asathor, this must be because teams in Scandinavian hasn't got nearly as a bigger support as Rangers and Celtic.
12 Nov 2025 07:11:48
Even if Scotland lose the two games they are guaranteed a play off place finish. They are 7 points clear of Greece in 3rd with only two games left to play. I doubt they expected to win the group so not sure how they can blow it.
12 Nov 2025 08:09:45
A fan base has no bearing on a teams quality of player, a bigger fan base may offer better support, but players from various international teams may play at a far high competitive level than the SPFL.
Yes u could say bigger base more revenue to buy said better quality players, how's that working, it isn't, we have struggled financially and can't compete with "smaller" championship and league one teams, as has been said numerous times on here, we are not the attractive option we once were, as is evident from the moaning on here about substandard players being acquired.
Bigger is not necessarily better. Big fish in a small pond domestically, a minnow in Europe as things stand, how far have we regressed, but it's OK, we have more fans. Really ?.
12 Nov 2025 08:16:59
Size of support means absolutely nothing my star, I thought you knew about football.
Hertha can get over 70,000 at home matches.
Hertha are mid table second tier at the moment.
You are repeating the nonsense that was spouted before European matches.
As I said Rangers battered in Norway, Celtic battered in Denmark.
I am not speaking in hypotheticals I am speaking about hard facts.
Denmark are better than Scotland right now regardless of stadium size.
12 Nov 2025 08:25:36
Good post fork and asa. This is what some of our fans need to realise we aren't as big as some think not any more in the grand scheme of things.
12 Nov 2025 08:40:21
Yes Fork, I understand that hearing the names of Scandinavian teams may not bring that same aura and stardust as others.
I can remember even my clubs only true legend moved to Hearts and was subsequently banned from representing Norway because at the time we had not embraced professionallism.
We were an amateur nation.
But rather than offer any viable alternatives to the proposals I had the only argument that could be fought was about fan bases.
As I said the UEFA rankings tell a story.
This season Scotland is below Gibraltar in 36th.
Over last 5 years Scotland is one place above Sweden and behind both Norway and Denmark.
I offer a viable proposal of a competitive league filled with teams who play real football not hammer throwers of the SPFL.
12 Nov 2025 08:51:06
This season Asathor, Rangers have been deep in Europe for years, last 8, last 16, final,
Fork the bigger support gives you more cash for completing better, that is a simple fact.
12 Nov 2025 08:57:03
There is no correlation in terms of quality to size of fanbase, better leagues offer better quality of player at higher levels, international teams benefit from this as various international teams have players playing in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Belguim, Holland, a lot of these teams have no where near our level of support, but that support doesn't transfer to the quality on the pitch.
Competitive leagues produce better players.
12 Nov 2025 09:00:09
Asathor know football very well, so having more fans counts for nothing, deary dear man, does Hertha get 50k at every home game like? bigger fanbase clearly generates more cash, I thought you knew the game Asathor.
12 Nov 2025 09:12:56
Asathor you've got teams in that league struggling for gates of 10k man, clearly Celtic and Rangers would dominate that league like we do in Scotland after a few seasons, only by having a far bigger budget than the rest, good league for Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, not good enough for Rangers and Celtic.
12 Nov 2025 09:46:42
Asathor, not any club in Norway is remotely close to Celtic and Rangers, that is a simple fact, not saying they couldn't beat them in a game.
12 Nov 2025 10:20:01
To be fair Asa I think you've got the post all wrong. You were speaking on stadium size and My Star pointed out Rangers and Celtic have larger fan bases with that being the case the national stadium would need to be large for cup finals etc that involve both. Football in Scotland is followed heavier than Scandinavian countries meaning that they need bigger stadiums than Scandinavian teams and countries do.
Nothing to do with quality of team or national squads.
I may have misinterpreted what My Star means but that's how I took his post. Nothing to do with the Brann game or Celtic in Denmark. But I'm happy for you that you are happy to bring it up again and bask in the result. Enjoy.
12 Nov 2025 10:31:15
Totally agree with Asathor. Some fans in Scotland, particularly Old firm fans, are living on past glories and are delusional if they think we are a "big draw" in European terms.
The teams at the top of the Scandinavian leagues, for example, are probably superior to both Old Firm teams as things currently stand.
An Atlantic League would be a good thing, as I see it, and would lead to a better standard of league, more competitive league, and eventually improve the Scottish teams involved in relation to performances in European competitions.
12 Nov 2025 10:50:09
I have clearly shown more knowledge of the game than you my Star.
You offer nothing but hypotheticals.
Bournemouth have a tiny support but can attract better than Rangers!
I offered facts.
Look at the UEFA rankings yourself.
Look at Manchester United.
And yes Hertha average over 50k per match.
Schalke have over 200,000 paying members.
12 Nov 2025 10:55:46
Ayrshire my first post was sarcasm due to the level of impotence shown in my stars argument.
Rangers are clearly too big a club for us minnows and should be favourites for next season's champions league.
12 Nov 2025 10:59:43
U are so wrong, we have a bigger fanbase and can't compete financially, u choose to ignore as EHL says without the 20m we may have went to the wall, board members offering soft loans to pay wages fgs and yet again u look back to the past, that's not now, the past is irrelevant, u say bigger fanbase more money to compete, really have a look at what your saying or do u refuse to acknowledge Rangers financial struggles old board and new.
If we have more money coming in as u say then why are we hamstrung by financial worries and shopping in the bargain basement. Blinkered I'm afraid and no matter how often u say it or fire off posts, you are completely wrong. Stuck in the past bud, it's not what we've done it's what we now have to do and i don't know if u can't see it, or are just choosing to ignore it.
12 Nov 2025 11:09:15
Fork you clearly don't get it, the clubs with the biggest reviews wins the league.
12 Nov 2025 11:09:52
Asathor only because you want a league that will never happen.
12 Nov 2025 11:14:06
Look at Sunderland out of the epl for years but would always return because of their fanbase, Asathor what is Brann revenue? or average attendance? why they will never be a big club.
12 Nov 2025 11:16:19
Fork I'm also talking about the club ran correctly.
12 Nov 2025 11:20:43
Why don't the old firm start thrashing us "second rate" teams before dreaming bigger.
12 Nov 2025 11:46:03
My bad Asa it seems I did get the wrong end of the stick. I hold my hands up and apologise.
12 Nov 2025 12:24:52
Asathor that league will never happen, only a dream, and I'm glad, unless Dutch and Belgium got involved, as nothing about that league is exciting imo.
12 Nov 2025 12:33:52
Well my star I hope you continue to enjoy the abyss. Much more exciting than Falkirk, Livingston, Dundee ect.
I do think we need to leave this conversation as clearly you are unable to see when you are wrong.
You attempt to talk about revenue when you don't have the faintest idea how to increase it.
12 Nov 2025 12:48:12
That was not mentioned bud till your post, the club being run correctly should be a given, but it's not been if your honest.
12 Nov 2025 13:20:41
Asathor, what I do know is have a massive fanbase can only increase it, because you think I'm wrong, that league just wouldn't work, travelling involved for games against the majority of very average sized clubs no bigger than Kilmarnock, yes let's leave it.
12 Nov 2025 13:26:50
HaugesundAsa wind your neck in, a competitive league filled with teams that play real football, not the hammer throwers of the spl, what is that about? You would scream blue murder if any of us described your league like that, but it's ok for you to do it? Your league isn't exactly that competitive if one team has dominated for past 5 years (bodo) most likely win it this year also. Like Scotland you have a couple of good teams, the rest like Scotland are poor.
It might not be the best league, but it's ours its all we have. You really have an air of superior ability about you, it's been ripping out you from the day you come on here. We'll continue to enjoy the abyss of Falkirk, livingstone, dunded etc, as much as you enjoy the abyss of Haugesund, Bryne FK, Stroemsgodset. If our league is the abyss, full of hammer throwers maybe you shouldn't watch it.
12 Nov 2025 14:40:52
Fork, yes we've not being run correctly, same as Sunderland a few years ago, same with Sheffield Wednesday once new owners they should do better, all large fanbases, but we're talking about having to travel and play against teams some no better than Kilmarnock, plus we complain about the park not being grass many would be in that league, I'd just be against that league for us, we played in two European finals in 14 years, think will our fanbase we deserve better than that league.
12 Nov 2025 14:42:03
Boy blue, Brann struggled against St Mirren last season, got Rangers at a very good time.
12 Nov 2025 17:23:51
What you did Asa was take an opening post about Scotland v Greece and Denmark and turning it into a completely different thread.
I get what you're saying but could we please just start a fresh discussion instead of hi jacking one.
Would have been good to get views on the upcoming international games.
Instead we get the same argument that was on another page.