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15 Sep 2016 22:56:04
Was initially quite ready to blame Barton and his big mouth solely for this debacle but having read the new report in the DR from a supposed "source" I'm somewhat feeling that he may not be the only one to blame.
The source suggests that the other players were saying how we were doing just fine before he came to which joey replied by stating it was in a worse league. He was bang on (oh, and we'd not been doing too well after the Celtic cup match when we limped to the league title) .
Barton was also supposed to have been pointing out home truths for the shocking performance levels recently. And, as long as he can take it as well as he can give it (not sure on this) then that's exactly what an experienced player should be doing.
Thirdly, apparently some other players had the cheek to say that we'd done just fine against Celtic without him last season. True, but how can they fail to acknowledge the change in Celtic? This worries me particularly. To me this suggests that these players have had a lot of smoke blown up them and have rested on their laurels which for me is as unacceptable as the performance on Saturday. We played well in April, granted it was brilliant day, but that has gone, it's in the past, and for professionals to be falling back on that as an excuse is unbelievable.
I'm not siding with Joey as he clearly has his own problems but if he has reacted angrily to players acting like that then I can't say I would have acted wholly differently. If he has disrespected the manager then that has crossed every line but against peer players he has every right to vent frustration in a constructive way.
Interested in your thoughts.
1.) 15 Sep 2016 23:47:53
I suspect any constructive criticism from Joey would have been better received if he'd played a few decent games. He's part of the problem just now and needs to focus on his game and not his opinions of others.
2.) 16 Sep 2016 01:06:27
Statement released on twitter by barton, he's honest enough to come out and tell it like it is, but what happens in the dressing room should stay in the dressing room, how many gers teams in the past from gough, mccoist, big amo, Barry etc had bust ups and we never knew about it until a book was released? I like the fact eveyone was upset shows they care, I would take the daily record article with a pinch of salt, if he's over stepped his place then he deserves getting suspended from the team, hopefully now we will see a gers team with fire in there bellys.
3.) 16 Sep 2016 03:25:24
If the scenario was Joey havin a go at the players, and basically sayin that they where not playing to their potential AND including himself in his rant then yeah totally acceptable! BUT I've got a feelin that Joey may have put it on the others and if Warbs was there I'm sure he wouldve pointed out that he too needs to raise his game that's when I could maybe see Barton crossing the line and banging heads with Warbs and Weir. Can't see Warbs telling a player to F-off for getting angry and letting the team know how they feel about recent performances! Now I'm not sayin Barton deserves a starting place at the moment but I always thought this guy would come good the guy is a top player who had the chance of premiership football this season, the guy is on a good wage prob the highest at Ibrox and we do not want him sitting at home because he spat the dummy out. I hope he gets it together and sorts it out wi Warbs No player can start undermining the Manager and again that can be the only reason he'd be asked to leave the Training base poss had a go at Weir? and Warbs again would have to act! What's your thoughts Bears d'ya agree that this has Barton mouthing off at Warbs and/ or Weir and u think this will be resolved quickly?
4.) 16 Sep 2016 06:43:16
Andy makes sense, but you know it's a rumours site ed001 right? Would make sense that we use common sense and reasoning like Andy since we have little to not information yet. He who is without sin should cast the first stone. At least until we know exactly what is going on. We got the information days late when people realised he don't show for training which tells me there's a good chance no one knows the specifics outside of Rangers especially considering how they conduct themselves these days. Who asked about it at Thursday's presser?
{Ed001's Note - but that is not what you were saying. I think you are so busy trying to be a superfan that you are forgetting where you are. If you don't want speculation, don't come online or talk to anyone. Otherwise give your opinion, fine, but don't tell others what to do if they want to give theirs or pass on what they have heard, correct or not. It is not for you to decide what gets said by who and the first stone is always cast by Barton, so that saying is a load of crap. If you don't want speculation online, don't have your players stirring it up on social media to try and increase their profile ready for when they retire.}
5.) 16 Sep 2016 06:51:46
Was Joey simply saying what some of the posters on here have been saying for months?
"Performances have not been good enough for months - (not just from start of season) and we need a PLAN B"
If so was he not correct to challenge Warburton directly when asked what was wrong?
I was reminded of Iain Ferguson dressing down stars in DR after a previous 5-1 defeat - he wasn't sent home!
6.) 17 Sep 2016 06:43:52
Its disappointing the criticism of Warbs in all this. Barton has obviously stepped out of line. Warbs has suspended him for one game. end of story. now let's move on. You people who say that "hes a bad manager, jobs too big for him etc" are idiots. We're trying to bed in 9 or 10 new players in a league which is a whole new level from last season. And he's trying to compete from the bargain basement. If you are going to have a pop at anyone, have a pop at King, who is spending f*** all after all his bluster. The fans have backed the club to the hilt buying season tickets. Time for King to fulfill his promises. or move on.
7.) 18 Sep 2016 10:16:26
hey China- I agree with your statement about Warbs and the rubbish being spewed about him not being big enough for the job. Total nonsense! But blaming King is ridiculous. When is everyone going to realise it is the players on the pitch that aren't scoring? aren't giving enough cutting edge? The quality is obviously there in some (Windass being the best example) But they are seriously lacking in the fire department right now. We can blame defense all we want. But when 70% of the game is being played in the middle of the park or your opponents 1/ 3 then it isn't defense who are having a problem.
8.) 18 Sep 2016 10:48:40
Chinabairn , i agree with your post until you get to the ddave king part, how do you know dk is not spennding money? probably through reading newspapers eh, i wonder if dk contribared to the renovation of ibrox, or who is paying lawyers fees in our court casese against ashey, the loan to pay ashley back the 5 million pound loan, ihe must have got his shares for free, ime not saying dk is paying all I've mentioned but ide imagine he will be spending a lot of monrey . don't believe all you read in the papers, they tell us its the board that have paid it? the reason dk gets slaughtered in the papers is because the press don't know anything in reggards dk probably cause he stayes in south africa, the 3 bears would not give out information on the subject, so where do all these bad press get there info? fantasy its called. lol.
9.) 18 Sep 2016 11:47:39
teddyofthesouth how can you say the firepower is not there. Last season when Waghorn was scoring 2 and 3 every game against plumber and brickies everyone was spouting that Waghorn was worth 5 million, then yous add Garnder for 1.5 million who should be in the England squad now he is with The Rangers .
23 Jul 2015 17:26:07
Does anyone here think that hubs could win the championship without Scott Allan? Personally I can't see it so that adds another reason to sign him for me and add to that the fact he will be facing them in a rival team and I think his signing is blatantly a positive one for us as long as price is within reason.
1.) 23 Jul 2015 18:41:44
Yes,,and others will be in the mix. this maybe a harder one to win than last year. New management team and new team doesn't bring quick rewards.
2.) 23 Jul 2015 18:44:17
I think as a hibby we have as much chance as Rangers we have another 2players in the under 19s far better than Allan and the fee of £450k will help he will be missed but 1 player never make a team so if he wants to go gtf
3.) 23 Jul 2015 19:37:08
Aww Boohoo, your lot were praising him last month, now you don't care lol, he wants to play in the top tier next season, that's why he's wanting to come to us, get over it.
4.) 23 Jul 2015 21:10:10
Ha ha 2 players in the u19's much better! Is your face all screwed up munching those sour grapes! I'd offer £250k and if that fails tell Scott to sit tight till next season. I think we'd see some movement then. And is the player going to be fully behind Hibs' push for the title? Think about it. I'm sure he's a good pro but what would you do in the circumstances?
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26 Sep 2016 01:27:50
Personally I don't think yesterday was too bad a performance although I realise that any game not won is not good enough.
We have defensive frailties. Absolutely, scarcely has there ever been a worse top flight Rangers defence. But I still believe if you offered it to 11 of the teams in the league they would bite our hands of for it; so that begs the question 'why do we lose so many points against teams who'd love to have our supposed weakest aspect? '
I think the answer is clearly, therefore, that our attack is so far from being efficient it's frightening. You can play all the fancy passing and probing football you like but if no one can stick it in the net you lose or draw. Simple as that. And, quite frankly, we're not talented enough to play fancy football and ease past teams in the spfl as we were in the championship. For me we don't shoot at the right times more often than not and very rarely do we create glaring opportunities to score despite dominating games - as the case yesterday.
I don't think warburton deserves too much criticism yet for most of the aspects of his management this season but one area he must himself regret is spending all of £1.8m on joe garner! I don't know what he sees in him. He may not have shown us everything he's got so far but all I've seen to now has been pretty shocking. He didn't score against Celtic, kenny did, just for the record haha. His style of play (if you can call it style) doesn't suit us and his outrageous play acting is probably why I've taken an immediate dislike to the lad. Of course I hope he proves me wrong but what a younger, quicker and cleverer player could have added for a similar outlay cannot be underestimated and given MW'a reaction to us getting desperate for a quick goal being to take him off, I think there's a significant thought in his head that makes him agree with me.
1.) 26 Sep 2016 09:59:12
Still can't see why so much money was spent on Garner, a very ordinary looking player who seems to spend most of his time trying to win fouls or penalties. And he's not very good at that either.
Frank MacPartland came to Ibrox with a glowing reputation but on what I've seen so far our signings were on the whole much better before he arrived.
2.) 26 Sep 2016 16:11:44
Fraser
As I've said before we could have got Hemmings and Stewart to proven players in the premiership for less than we paid for Garner.
3.) 26 Sep 2016 18:17:15
Garner gets in about defences and if he had a quality striker, i. e., a Boyd or a McCoist, alongside him then we would be scoring plenty of goals, provided of course that the service was there from our midfield. That is an area where we have plenty players but too many of them are injured and we have to hope that Rossiter and Crooks, when fit, provide that something that our current midfield do not possess.
16 Sep 2016 01:10:52
I Was initially quite ready to blame Barton and his big mouth solely for this debacle but having read the new report in the DR from a supposed "source" I'm somewhat feeling that he may not be the only one to blame.
The source suggests that the other players were saying how we were doing just fine before he came to which joey replied by stating it was in a worse league. He was bang on (oh, and we'd not been doing too well after the Celtic cup match when we limped to the league title) .
Barton was also supposed to have been pointing out home truths for the shocking performance levels recently. And, as long as he can take it as well as he can give it (not sure on this) then that's exactly what an experienced player should be doing.
Thirdly, apparently some other players had the cheek to say that we'd done just fine against Celtic without him last season. True, but how can they fail to acknowledge the change in Celtic? This worries me particularly. To me this suggests that these players have had a lot of smoke blown up them and have rested on their laurels which for me is as unacceptable as the performance on Saturday. We played well in April, granted it was brilliant day, but that has gone, it's in the past, and for professionals to be falling back on that as an excuse is unbelievable.
I'm not siding with Joey as he clearly has his own problems but if he has reacted angrily to players acting like that then I can't say I would have acted wholly differently. If he has disrespected the manager then that has crossed every line but against peer players he has every right to vent frustration in a constructive way.
Interested in your thoughts.
1.) 16 Sep 2016 07:40:05
I agree, I'm firmly on the side of Barton. The left side.
2.) 16 Sep 2016 08:12:43
players have bust ups, I would much rather the team did have a bust up and arguments and words said after Saturday than a team sitting quiet locking their wounds. get the blood flowing.
3.) 16 Sep 2016 10:18:34
I can't believe some of these posts Barton was totally out of order as he's been since he got here both on and off the park on t he park he has been rubbish far to slow hardly in the games off the park his mouth opens far to often what he is going to do if you look back at other big signings Butcher, Gough, ETC they did their talking on the park never heard from them off it and to take the manager on openly in front of the players is a no go is there a way back I don't know it's obvious that a few players are at odds with him and he is not the flavour of the month in the dressing room I know he tweeted an apology but he then tweeted that his apology didn't mean he was in the wrong then deleted it for me that says more than anything for me he is an immature self centred guy for me if there is a way to get rid of him good but legally I think we are stuck with him and that I fear will do more damage.
4.) 16 Sep 2016 13:29:10
if it was me i'd be shouting at persons one in particular but the whole team except windass played awfull.
10 Sep 2016 17:51:44
Appalling today, not much more than that needs saying with regards to the defence (other than tav who at least put himself about and didn't hide) .
As for the attack I am left questioning warburton rather than the players as they can only play to their abilities. When I think of who is best to play in attack I think the best players to play are those who have qualities that, putting myself in the opposition defenders shoes, I would not want to face. For me, in kolo toure/ sviatchenko shoes, the one player I would not want to face would have been ohalloran without any shadow of a doubt. Miller, garner, McKay and even waghorn have no outstanding qualities that would have scared the Celtic defence today. None anyway that they couldn't deal with quite comfortably on the whole today. But which of our attackers was not brought on? Yep, you guessed it. Questionable tactics in the least.
I'm not saying the other attackers have nothing to offer against other clubs, they are pretty decent players generally, but the Celtic defence definitely profited from our managers reluctance to change his tried and tested formula which, tbh, has not worked at all yet at spl level.
1.) 10 Sep 2016 18:36:25
Appalling, get a bloody life, I have said numerous times second is our aim and Europe is the (3rd) target of the board / management business plan .
Yes we all want success, but too many want it now, chill let's build, we have Crooks, and Rossiter to come in and bed in
DONT want to talk about defence because that is my only fault with MW he did not get the defence right pre season .
2.) 10 Sep 2016 19:28:43
I tend to agree mate i said on here just last week that moh used to give them nightmares with st johnstone and after last week he'd of been a stick to be fair warbs relied on experiance and literally along with us fans got sh1t on, nothing more nothing less celtic destroyed us today and our big so called names ran a mile.
3.) 10 Sep 2016 20:21:19
Two centre backs cost us the game today. We contained celtic for 30 mins but Keirnan couldn't jump with Dembele and we had no one on back post And he gave possession to celtic for second. Senderos looked slow and was caught with the sending off. Other than that I thought we were doing well but we should have attacked them more and gave them something to think about. I don't think there is too much of a gap.
4.) 11 Sep 2016 19:28:23
Agreed, I'm beginning to think warburton has some kind of issue with MOH because for me he has to bench McKay for a few weeks because he was awful today and give MOH a decent run in the team in his place.
27 Aug 2016 01:32:17
I'll get pelters for this I'm sure but I think the signing of joe garner will prove to be an error.
£1.8m, 28yo, 6 goals in 44 games last term, only a proven goal scorer at league one level.
Also, I've watched him a number of times through his career to date and the lad, whilst certainly a trier, is not an intelligent footballer. His sensational, yet disparate, moments of brilliance are far outnumbered by his moments of idiocy; 2 of which were plain to see in his poor late challenge on the Kilmarnock CB and his disgusting dive.
I feel that, regardless of how well he does, we will never sell him for a profit which would seem a necessity for a club in our current situation and he has no goal scoring reputation that would suggest he will do any greater damage up here than the like Tom Bradshaw who we were also linked with.
Bear in mind Bradshaw cost under £1m and is 23 and a current international striker with his best years ahead of him.
Finally, I'd go further to suggest that we should really explore foreign leagues for greater value than that which is available in England. For a team like Derby to spend £1.8m on garner given their budget I could understand but for us to do so seems very risky.
1.) 27 Aug 2016 05:20:55
League one level is far superior to most of the spl! he's a worker a nuisance to defenders and a different option to our other front men! He will be used as the focal point of our attack so we need guys getting in and around him i see Holt coming back into the fold or windass making a difference.
2.) 27 Aug 2016 07:12:01
people on here were screaming for grigg and Bradshaw who have only done well at league one. the spl is that equivalent give the guy a chance.
3.) 27 Aug 2016 08:20:07
Bradshaw went for under £1m but there is no proof we were ever interested in signing him, give joe garner a chance I agree with other posts that Barton slows the play down but until holt and Windass are fit I can't see him being dropped. Also I would like to see McKay play as a number 10 attacking mid, he like kranjcar can deliver a killer ball, as much as I like McKay he doesn't go to the by line enough, for a boy with pace to burn I just don't think we see it enough.
4.) 27 Aug 2016 09:07:44
instead of buying garner we should have given hardie his chance and spent the 1.8m on a decent centre half. that should have been the priority, and i think Warbs got this wrong.
06 Aug 2016 22:52:59
Tbh today didn't come as a massive surprise to me, although I still thought we'd win which is why I feel added disappointment.
Whilst we've come a long way under warbs I just feel that were slightly stagnating at the moment. We shouldn't have got carried away after the Celtic victory in April as we only just beat them despite being clearly the better team on the day and they were always going to improve massively after we showed them up.
For me their signings, particularly when they get Sinclair who thrives against slow defenders and is a great player on his day, look like making winning the league a very difficult (not impossible) now so all aims should be on securing Europe for next year.
What really concerns me other than the obvious defensive frailties is the sheer lack of chances we're creating at th moment. Until forester and moh came on we created almost nothing. That's down to the creative players mainly but, having played those positions myself, can also be when the striker doesn't fit the style of play. Controversially, waghorn doesn't cut the mustard as the striker we need for me. He is not a dynamic striker that is vital when facing decent opposition playing a 433, neither is he a target for crosses. Hopefully his injury means that signing another striker who fits this style and standard better. I'm not blaming him for our performance today as there were many below par but I'm yet to be convinced of his quality v spfl sides although I know he score that peach v Motherwell.
We've had the clear signal players are needed and its up to king to ensure that warbs gets the men I'm sure he himself knows we need.
1.) 07 Aug 2016 08:44:33
Top post squire!, spot on with your assessment of Waghorn.
26 Aug 2015 00:58:46
That really had me in stitches! Absolute Classic
24 Jul 2015 17:29:17
Exactly. Anyone who thinks a 23/24 year old having 2 good seasons in spfl championship will suddenly be playing in the epl afterwards is delusional. Rangers (hopefully promotion pushing) or another spl side are the most he could get this year and eng championship next year max if he plays well. That's not saying he's not good enough it's just being realistic given his current status.
09 Jul 2015 13:27:49
Unfortunately there's absolutely no chance at all of him coming as they'd probably look for about £10m depending on his contract situation of which I'm not quite sure.
22 Jun 2015 13:47:26
Sorry but I think Stevie may is exactly the sort of player we want. Young, hungry, point to prove after a disappointing season and finally some pace even if he's not lightning quick!
@2 I am serious that Macleod should not go to brentford. It is a sorry state of affairs at rangers for sure but to expect every talented player to become a self-orientated mercenary doesn't sit we'll with me after all the club has done for him since the age of 10. Without this club who knows if he'd even have made it professional and to jump at the first sign of transfer is poor form. If it was an established premier league club offering big wages etc I can begin to understand but a newly promoted championship club who less than 5 years ago were in league 2 with no pedigree or history or massive fan base I cannot I'm afraid. Football should not be all about money for a 20 year old.
I'm sure, however, that there was an element of disgraceful pushing of the deal from our board.