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14 Jul 2023 10:30:21
I am hearing we are in talks with Puma to be our new kit makers next year. Anyone else hearing this?
1.) 14 Jul 2023 10:49:23
Hope not never liked their stuff before.
2.) 14 Jul 2023 10:55:40
Contract has two years to run.
3.) 14 Jul 2023 11:01:43
Jonny fox you on the wind up not a chance.
4.) 14 Jul 2023 11:17:18
We should be aiming for 1 of the 2 massive brands in adidas or Nike.
5.) 14 Jul 2023 11:45:06
I think its likely we extend with castore when the time comes in a few years, ourselves and newcastle are their biggest sellers atm so they will be keen to keep us on. If it were up to me i'd be taking nike or even macron who came close when castore got it in 2019.
6.) 14 Jul 2023 11:49:19
I heard Puma are trying to get a foothold in Scottish market. Aparently the deal is financial superb for the club. Blows Castore deal out the water. But I do see some of your points as the trainers etc are not the best.
7.) 14 Jul 2023 11:49:36
Hope not. Their kits fit like wetsuits.
8.) 14 Jul 2023 12:09:11
There was a rumour the other week that an Italian sportswear manufacturer was interested in buying Rangers out of the remainder of their castore contract.
9.) 14 Jul 2023 12:09:24
Ideally Nike will come in due to Celtic having adidas that’s the obvious scenario. As with everything else we should go with the best deal financially for the club, I suspect castors will offer the best deal and we will likely be with them long term for many many years. We were their 1st football club and one of their 1st deals outside of tennis. We helped build the brand into an almost billion pound label. I’m sure they will hit that target in next 2 years.
10.) 14 Jul 2023 12:14:15
Don't care who it is, Just better be a good deal for the club.
11.) 14 Jul 2023 12:35:53
I can 1000% confirm this is absolute nonsense. Puma will never touch us. That is from one of their top brass. This is either a wind up post or simply made up. Macron are very likely, Nike a possibility and Castore continuing also possible. Still a contract to run however as someone else has said.
12.) 14 Jul 2023 12:38:19
Castore will be retained as kit supplier on a 2 Yr extension.
Castore deal is the best in Scotland in terms of profit share.
13.) 14 Jul 2023 12:49:33
They make Man city, Dormund and AC Milan are all puma. I never realised that. Could be good actually. I have never seen Pep wearing puma trainers though to be honest. He wears DSQ.
14.) 14 Jul 2023 13:00:02
Ibrox4me why would puma not touch us? Sounds like they have something against us can u elaborate mate? Cheers.
15.) 14 Jul 2023 13:08:10
If rangers were to leave castore when the deal is up, i would honestly prefer us to have nike as our kit manufacturers because for me they're the best and the biggest sports manufacturers ?.
16.) 14 Jul 2023 13:11:49
Ibrox4me, i agree with you mate and it was myself several weeks ago now who posted on here regarding macron possibly buying out the last year of our contract with castore and becoming our new kit manufacturers ?I was also told that money is very big but they want massive exposure and certain rangers things in their name ?Time will tell but i do prefer nike myself, if we were to leave castore ?.
17.) 14 Jul 2023 13:32:15
Years left and to be honest whoever pays us the most I'm good with tops will sell regardless.
18.) 14 Jul 2023 13:33:03
Ibroxforme: Why will Puma not touch us?
Incase we take them to court or something I presume? I think that's is unfair if that is the case we don't take everybody to court.
19.) 14 Jul 2023 13:52:28
James bisgrove will make sure it's the very best deal for the club whoever becomes our kit manufacturers in the future ? So whether it's remaining with castore,
going to nike or macron or whoever,
it of course will be the manufacturer that gives our club the most money, no matter if it was puma,
new balance or anyone else etc ? I honestly don't care who it is as long as it's the best deal for our club, that's the b all and end all for me ?.
20.) 14 Jul 2023 13:53:43
No buyout SWS. Unless something sensational happens with the club World Cup but even then, it smacks of potential legal challenges and I’d guess we’d want to steer clear of that hassle in future.
Stevie, there’s bad business history from our previous dealings with Puma plus the Fat Man is heavily involved with them. I have it on excellent authority that they wouldn’t want to deal with us again, and I’m happy with that.
Macron were close to working with the local team and are very credible. Castore may well wish to extend, and Nike is an outsider. Boring kits but have the size and scale and distribution links.
We don’t have a chain of stores. The current stores are owned/ operated by Castore, I think with the exception of Ed House. That makes staying with Castore a stronger case. Macron are the ones I’d be watching out for though.
2025 before a new deal would start.
21.) 14 Jul 2023 15:19:48
I don't get the obsession with Nike.
As a runner I believe their stuff falls into 2 categories.
1. Overpriced without being incredibly higher quality/ tech compared to others.
or
2. Poorly manufactured. Anything that isn't overpriced tends to suffer quality-wise.
Using their running shoes as an example - The Alphayfly 2's are £280 and very good but no better than shoes £100 cheaper.
Or their Pegasus or Vomero lines which commonly have the glue seeping over the soles or poor stitching.
22.) 14 Jul 2023 15:27:41
Ashley is not involved with Puma financially! Other than using the brand for retail outlets owned by him.
He has zero clout if that’s what you’re suggesting.
Yes I would imagine there is bad history with Puma and Rangers but a lot of this was caused by Ashley and his dealings and Puma weren’t great for us either.
Puma Make great strips
I would not be surprised by Rangers expanding with Castore and taking a bigger deal in the future and that the relationship will be mutual. However money talks.
Whether some like it or not Castore is the fastest growing brand in football. With a business hat on they are the brand you want to grow with as their stock and brand are at the forefront of the market right now and a fabulous alternative to the ‘big boys’
For me stick with Castore and piggy back off their current popularity and growth.
{Ed001's Note - Ashley has shares in Puma.}
23.) 14 Jul 2023 16:08:59
Love it Ashley has nothing to do with them ?.
24.) 14 Jul 2023 16:37:51
Ashley 100% has a tie into Puma.
25.) 14 Jul 2023 16:49:26
Nike will most likely give us template designs that about 200 other teams around the world use if we were to sign with them, training gear would be great with nike though. Puma kits are shocking quality so i'm more than happy if there is no possibility of that happening. Whoever mentioned the Italian brand interested itll more than likely be macron who are a very solid option and good quality.
@bluerunner agree re nike running trainers, give me a pair of hoka's over nikes any day of the week.
26.) 14 Jul 2023 17:16:00
Lidl offering the full kit with Lidl branding on it . £37 the lot including trainers, could do fine for any Cumbernauld residents going to Benidorm?
27.) 14 Jul 2023 18:11:56
We have 2 years left on castore don’t even know why we are talking about this.
28.) 14 Jul 2023 19:26:20
OP heard a rumour. That’s how it works.
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14 Jul 2023 10:43:02
Was just reading an article there. When we bought Flo from Chelsea for 12.5 million all them years ago would be equivillant of buying a player for 28 million in todays money. Would be nice operating in that market and not the one we are in now.
1.) 14 Jul 2023 11:13:16
That may be the case in general and in leagues such as the EPL, unfortunately though here in Scotland we are pretty much in the ‘land where time stood still’! Where as in most other countries clubs income due to TV money and sponsorship has rocketed, here in Scotland it’s pretty much stayed still, mostly down to horrendous miss management by those in charge of our game such Doncaster. Therefore instead of now being able to spend much more on players like the rest of Europe we in fact probably have less we can spend in general than 20/ 25 years ago.
Even Celtic who are arguably in a much healthier financial position than us still can’t break the bank on players or wages because they know their overall income (outwith regularly champions league money) couldn’t support it.
The game in this country really has been done dirty by total incompetence by those in charge.
2.) 14 Jul 2023 12:02:28
We plucked Flo off the Chelsea bench, and he was more effective off our bench. A lot of money for a bit part player. Good goals per game ration, and we recouped around 7mil when we sold him on i recall.
3.) 14 Jul 2023 12:21:20
Johnny fox. back then a freddo was 10 pence, its now 25 pence. I'd say your spot on without stats. Freddo and flo stand together.
4.) 14 Jul 2023 12:40:22
He wasn't as bad a player as folk make him out to be his goal ratio to appearances for us was decent.
5.) 14 Jul 2023 13:04:03
I have always thought that the peanuts sky and league sponsorship give us is a ploy to keep our football down incase we actually do something amazing and take attention away from all, efl.
Imagine if we got tv deal at 250M over 4 seasons and a league sponsor who pays 25M over 4 seasons our game would step a higher level than what is now.
14 Jul 2023 10:34:52
Personally I would take any bid that comes in for our players that we need to move. Anything above a quid is good for us as
1. We get them off our wage bill
2. We do not need to keep players and pay them when we do not need them
3. We do not need to pay up their contracts
Its not just the wages, they will be getting hired cars, free meals at the training centre, the kits, physio and all that. They add ons are about 3-4 grand also a month. Just ship them out the door.
1.) 14 Jul 2023 10:51:07
Thank god you don’t run out club!
2.) 14 Jul 2023 10:58:42
A Fox in the hen house.
3.) 14 Jul 2023 11:05:00
Jonny the fox meets jimmy the weed.
4.) 14 Jul 2023 11:16:43
Some of that might be true Jonny, but we can’t go out and spend £3/ £4m on players whilst at the same time letting go all of our current players for practically nothing! There’s a little thing known as ‘balancing the books’ that’s quite important in business. I’m guessing you’re not an accountant ?.
5.) 14 Jul 2023 11:58:02
No I am not an accountant but if you look at it logically. The players Amortisation gets us off the hook with that. So take Tav for example, we paid 200k for him, he has been at club for 8 years so the true value of Tav on our books is 25k. 200,000/ 8= 25k
So really if we let the players go that's not in the first team plans then it is really irellivant how much money we get for them. Just ship them out and we do not have to pay them and get some sort of fee in to free up wages.
{Ed001's Note - that is not how it works. You don't just divide the amount by the number of years they are there. The fees are usually amortised over the course of the initial contract, hence why Chelsea were giving out such lengthy deals last summer. Current incomings now have to be rendered in the accounts over a maximum of 5 years, no matter how long the contract is.}
6.) 14 Jul 2023 12:11:47
Johnny fox that's the worst bit of accounting I've ever come across.
7.) 14 Jul 2023 12:44:23
So how does that work Ed? Use my example of Tav? if it was a 5 year contact and we paid 200,000k 200,000/ 5= 40k? But he has been here another 3 years so I presume the value of Tav on the books is 0?
{Ed001's Note - yes, in essence.}
8.) 14 Jul 2023 13:08:31
The thing is though Jonny, not all of our players were brought in for 200,000 like Tav. How about Kent who was £7m plus a fortune in weekly wages and walked for nothing. The club has been talking about improving its player trading model continually for the last few years for a very good reason. For years we released players for virtually nothing or paid them off. Fortunately now we are starting to get better, the likes of Patterson Aribo and Bassey for example. However that has to continue. If we are going to be spending 3/ 4/ 5m on a number of new players coming in we need to try and make as much as possible for those going the other way. It’s simple mathematics really.
9.) 14 Jul 2023 13:30:34
I like the model we had with Tillman. If we get a few more of them we have cracked it. We made more from Tillman than we will from say Wright or McCrorie and Tillman was not even our player. Proper street hustled Bayern with that one. Pulled their pants right down. However done that deal should be Knighted I say.
14 Jul 2023 13:33:03
Ibroxforme: Why will Puma not touch us?
Incase we take them to court or something I presume? I think that's is unfair if that is the case we don't take everybody to court.
14 Jul 2023 12:49:33
They make Man city, Dormund and AC Milan are all puma. I never realised that. Could be good actually. I have never seen Pep wearing puma trainers though to be honest. He wears DSQ.
14 Jul 2023 11:49:19
I heard Puma are trying to get a foothold in Scottish market. Aparently the deal is financial superb for the club. Blows Castore deal out the water. But I do see some of your points as the trainers etc are not the best.
14 Jul 2023 13:30:34
I like the model we had with Tillman. If we get a few more of them we have cracked it. We made more from Tillman than we will from say Wright or McCrorie and Tillman was not even our player. Proper street hustled Bayern with that one. Pulled their pants right down. However done that deal should be Knighted I say.
14 Jul 2023 12:44:23
So how does that work Ed? Use my example of Tav? if it was a 5 year contact and we paid 200,000k 200,000/ 5= 40k? But he has been here another 3 years so I presume the value of Tav on the books is 0?
{Ed001's Note - yes, in essence.}
14 Jul 2023 11:58:02
No I am not an accountant but if you look at it logically. The players Amortisation gets us off the hook with that. So take Tav for example, we paid 200k for him, he has been at club for 8 years so the true value of Tav on our books is 25k. 200,000/ 8= 25k
So really if we let the players go that's not in the first team plans then it is really irellivant how much money we get for them. Just ship them out and we do not have to pay them and get some sort of fee in to free up wages.
{Ed001's Note - that is not how it works. You don't just divide the amount by the number of years they are there. The fees are usually amortised over the course of the initial contract, hence why Chelsea were giving out such lengthy deals last summer. Current incomings now have to be rendered in the accounts over a maximum of 5 years, no matter how long the contract is.}
14 Jul 2023 10:45:12
Henderson the Liverpool captain is joing to link up with Gerard, 700k a week. Tav might be tempted especially if he can get roughly 80-90k a week.