03 May 2025 22:02:48
Question for the forum.
How should a football club be run?
If Marco Rose is a failure then how should a new manager be chosen?
Success in 1 competition failure in 8 seems like a failure to me.
But that seems acceptable to quite a few.
Should my manager shout at the camera?
Does this make him successful?
03 May 2025 22:44:59
What would your answer to that be Asathor? I think SG did have something about him that we lacked/ lack. I still think he would bring a certain mentality but my concerns are for his actual technical and tactical awareness which I think the type of thing Rose would bring. Bit of a catch 22 for me. Like many have said, every man is a gamble of some sort.
03 May 2025 22:48:53
To be honest with you Asa, i like marco rose as a manager mate but my preference from rose, terzic and schmidt would be schmidt hands down and that's my opinion which i'm entitled to just like everyone else ?But this constant tirade against steven gerrard isn't called for and over the top for me when all is considered ?It doesn't matter who becomes our next manager, it won't and will never please everyone, simple as ?.
03 May 2025 22:54:04
Simple answer really. Success and failure are based differently to each club, at our great club second is last and that is failure.
Take Villa for example, not going to win a trophy but semi of FA cup, shout at top 4 and CL quarters. That is success anyway you cut it.
03 May 2025 22:54:57
Asa, just accept everyone wants someone and something different from this appointment.
Everyone is allowed an opinion.
03 May 2025 22:59:36
It's really easy to say who you don't want. There are definite pros and cons to reappointing Gerrard, and for some the cons obviously outweigh the pros.
Obviously it's not our job to decide the next manager, and there may be names being considered that aren't in the current list we are discussing.
But if it's a definite no to Gerrard for you, it would be interesting to read who amongst the others getting mentioned you would prefer.
I'll nail my colours to the mast. I want him back.
Why? Because what Rangers need is to be champions again. And that boils down to 2 things. Regularly winning league games, and being better than Celtic. Things like European success, champions league finances, player value and trading all naturally would then follow.
To get there, and get there as fast as possible, I want a proven winner who sets the right standards, I want a man who understands our unique league, and I want a name that will attract the right players who will be good enough in terms of ability and attitude.
Gerrard is the proven name that gives us the best chance of that.
1 defeat in his last 52 league games at Rangers. Unbeaten in his last 7 Old Firm games. With the bonus on top that he also built a team capable of reaching a European final. And he had that hunger and that relentless drive that can't be taught or learned.
Yes, his cup record was rotten. Yes, he has been terrible in jobs since. But we won't attract the perfect candidate with no negatives.
It might be a case of looking backwards. But the past is something to learn from, not something to avoid.
If there's a better realistic candidate for us in the state we are in, the name hasn't been mentioned yet. ?.
03 May 2025 23:23:44
Asa, even an average manager should be reasonably successful if he gets funding and the correct players. A poor manager will win if he has a great squad that knows what their doing. The 1 in 8 is a false narative as SG took over in a poor position and could not of expceted to win a treble in the first season, or any season for that matter. Celtic were and still are finacially in a much stronger postion so you could argue we should have 0 success however that is not the case for the reason I set out intitaily ie a good squad after 3 years that knew what they were doing. SG was brought in to stop the 10. He did that. He built a squad and a mentality that punched above its weight in the SPL agianst Celtic and in Europe. i'm geusiing here but I think most Rangers fans loved SG shouting at the camera, does that make you succesful, maybe if it imparts the same drive into the palyers. Walter Smith, SAF, Macliesh and the Advocat were no shrinking violets and perhaps they would not shout at the cameras but I can garuntee behind closed doors it would be a whole load differnt. i'm not taking any postion here on SG tbh just being objective. let's be honest if Warburton was still Rangers i'm sure we would of won more than 1 title by now, he played lovely football with minimal money.
03 May 2025 23:25:04
I think my point is being missed here.
This is not a tirade against Gerrard and i respect everyone's opinion.
This is a post trying to gain understanding about people's vision for running a football club.
03 May 2025 23:35:15
Thank you MFO and Florida for actually attempting to answer my question.
The crux of my question was how can a manager who has more managerial medals be deemed a failure but the other is not.
I am all for opinions but I do like balanced opinions and opinions that can be explained to those that do not understand how they have formed those opinions.
I think I will join the rest and remove myself from managerial and sporting operations discussions.
03 May 2025 23:44:08
Florida I think that is a really fair and balanced post. I like you always thought that Gerrard like Souness and Smith had a real aura about him. I felt he had drive and determination to get us back.
03 May 2025 23:50:14
Interesting to read that a few guys who are "in the know" and stated that the manager is going to be A, B or C are now sounding a bit doubtful about their choice. Its Gerard, its Rose, its Dyche.
In truth does anybody really know?
03 May 2025 23:50:50
I already nailed my colours to the mast. I want McInnes, but there's no point saying it as I'll be lambasted for it.
04 May 2025 00:04:10
ASA what is your opinion.
04 May 2025 00:05:20
Asa quick response would be Gerrard has been here and stopped 10 and won 55 and put the club trajectory in Europe back on a good path
Rose hasn't managed up here so no one knows if he will be good or bad
I will say and keep saying the 49ers will be no mugs and will appoint who they deem good enough to achieve Their objectives for the betterment of the club successful club is a happy club happy fans and money coming in
I wasn't a fan of Parker when I heard he could have been in the running before clement was it?
But look what he's done with Burnley very good achievement
we will never know until the new manager is decided and more importantly what playing squad he will have avaibalbe to coach come the seasons starts. ?.
04 May 2025 00:08:51
1 in 9 is Celtic patter. Simple as.
04 May 2025 00:10:14
Asathor how many competitions has marco rose managed in, in his time as a manager and hpw many titles. Genuine question.
04 May 2025 00:13:56
Leeds changed strategy and signed the best proven championship players for each position for that league and it payed off rather than sign unproven foregn players. You could argue Mcinnes could do the same in the SPL.
04 May 2025 00:18:55
Florida beargreat post sir.
04 May 2025 00:19:57
Orange after your first comment I think I will choose not to respond to your second.
04 May 2025 00:28:20
For me, the club has to become self-sustaining. This requires an infrastructure that delivers profitable income from a variety of off-field and on field activities.
That is not an easy transition when money is currently tight with the club hemorrhaging money and the team not delivering either on the park in terms of titles or even in developing players who are bringing in money to re-invest in new players.
Any new manager should understand the boundaries the club lives within and be prepared to 'thrive' within that. The unseen factors for me are financial, player trading and as appears in the recent past 'changing goalposts' which I think to an extent shackles ANY manager.
So the vision has to be crafted success, built through fiscal responsibility, correct play acquisition and sale, against the backdrop of league and European success….
04 May 2025 00:31:02
That's fine asathor. Wasn't saying that you are one of them, just that the 1 in 9 carry on was started by them and seems to be ingrained now on people justifying why not to appoint gerrard. No worries in not answering tho ?.
04 May 2025 00:34:20
I actually find it quite funny,
It's still very early in the SG managerial career to judge him just yet,
As if he was instantly going to win trophies with the situation at our great club when he arrived.
Yes to win 55 the way we did and stop 10 in a row was a huge achievement for a manager so early in his development,
He also consistently done well competing in Europe and got our creditability back in that arena,
It was so important after years in lower leagues to get the boost in European competitions that he provided,
Do I think it will be SG, No, but if it is then we'll get a more experienced manager than the first time around and he'll be more likely to stay the course of time, with the right backing he could very well become a very successful manager with us.
04 May 2025 00:45:53
Jessoh ASA you are very sensative.
04 May 2025 00:53:14
In terms of new manager the issue is one of finding a person that can win domestically and in Europe. We've had a series of managers who have been good at one (mostly Europe), but rarely found a man that can blend a squad to cope on both fronts. Not easy I grant you as for the Scottish League what is required is an ability to cope with more direct and robust football, coupled with an ability to break down defensive set-ups. Signing 5 1st team players (the spine mainly) to essentially play this role, whilst signing others who are better in transition, counter attack and with an ability to hold play and bring others into the game is equally tough, if they then don't play regularly in the Scottish League. SG has had some success at both, and other managers with UK teams (foreign managers included), will be available… but at what cost, and what time will they be given to develop their style by a new owner, that will be hungry to see reward for what I suspect will be substantial investments (across the entire club) …so can. Foreign managers with NO UK experience deliver this?
04 May 2025 00:58:02
The answer is 4 trophies from a possible 14 (domestic only) . The German supercup is a one of game and basically their version of the community shield so that's not getting counted. He won the dfb pokal with leipzig a. d he won 2 titles and 1 Austrian cup with Saltburn. Now before we go any further I am not saying that's failure. All I'm saying is we need to stop making out gerrard is a complete failure but everyone we are linked with is outstanding.
04 May 2025 01:00:43
Managers aside if you don't have quality players that are consistently fit and playing at their best and a team that actually plays as a team and not individuals than you will never have success.
I will back whoever takes the reigns and back Rangers to the full and can only hope that we get back to the team the fans deserve.
04 May 2025 01:43:14
This '1 in 9' is getting boring. The guy took us from getting hammered by Celtic to being unbeaten in 7 games against them. Took a team not being in Europe to beating teams like Porto, Feyenoord etc. Winning 55 three seasons after being so far off it is a major achievement whether you want to admit it or not. He brought standards back to the club and got us back to a club competing for trophies. Yes we should have won a treble in 2021 but unfortunately we didn't but for so many people just to discredit how big a job it was to get to 55 just because they want a hipster German name in charge is becoming bizarre to say the least.
04 May 2025 02:06:05
1 in 9 is not Celtic patter it is just a fact, even if they said it to begin with it is still factual no matter how you feel about it.
SG done well stopping them but with his record against them he just didn't win enough trophies and his record since he left has shown he is nothing special. So what would the issue be with trying the same with Rose?
04 May 2025 06:07:11
It does not matter who our next manager is if they do not get the gers winning at Ibrox on a regular base it is failure we only have to look at what ange done with the other mob the correct person with the correct players and we will be back.
04 May 2025 06:26:48
Asa football fans are fickle we don't know if we need a shower or a shave at the best of times
However the 1 in 9 patter comes straight from snake mountain as did the "penalty to rangers" campaign
Legend in Liverpool, God in Glasgow was the banner we should all remember not let our memories be poisoned, 2 years no defeats in the derby.
That being said, I think Marco Rose would be an absolutely sensational appointment that I'm on board with
Gerrard yes
Rose yes
Knutsen yes
Dyche No!
Martin No!
04 May 2025 07:07:28
I really think we need to hit the ground running next season and that would be my main reservation about a coach with no experience of our unique environment! I don't necessarily want SG back, but if he did I would be fascinated to see the make up of his backroom team. I would also be keen to see muscat interviewed and possibly the likes of Alex Niel at Milwall.
04 May 2025 07:58:06
It's a thought-provoking question Asa, and one that has started a lively debate.
I'm going to answer the question in a slightly different way and say that I believe the next Head of Academy is, in many ways, even more important than the next manager. Auchenhowie needs to be run in the way that many continental teams, such as Ajax, Sporting and Benfica are run. We need to see a youth development programme, including scouting, technical and tactical that produces young players who, at 17 or 18, are technically able and physically capable of playing in the 1st team. This has to be the bedrock of our club going forward. A 1st team manager who plays good football, including robust challenges, which I love to see, and quick pressing and passing would be my choice (I don't know who it would be) and there has to be flexibility of approach to change shape and play differently if Plan A isn't working. These principles need to be coached from the youth teams in our academy onwards and I'd love to see the core of our 1st team being Scottish lads who love the club. If we get the youth development pathway right, the rest will follow.
Sadly, the football authorities in our country are too parochial to do what is best for our young players, demonstrating an inherent bloody-mindedness to prevent Rangers doing well even at their own cost. That's all I have to say about that. Have a great BH weekend.
04 May 2025 07:58:47
This 1 in 8/ 9 patter is excruciatingly bad, worse when it comes from Rangers fans.
Gerrard inherited an absolute shambles, the worst top flight squad we've ever had. He lifted professionalism and standards all over the club, standards which have went to rubbish when he left. Had he not left when he did we would've won another league title.
Should he have won more cups, absolutely but the only time we would've been favourites to win the cups would've been in the 55 season where admittedly we did bottle it but he did win the one that mattered.
04 May 2025 08:02:27
Some managers just fit some clubs. Rangers and Gerrard just seem a perfect match.
Did it go poor at Villa, it did but he was unlucky with injuries. Lost big players in Kamara/ Carlos through injury and for his time in Saudi I don't even know how people can consider that. Managed basically the Motherwell version of Saudi Arabian football, and yet still finished 6th with them despite not having as much money as the other sides. Nuno Santo also sacked while out there, sacked from Spurs and yet has Forest fighting for a CL spot. Some managers and clubs just click.
04 May 2025 08:05:32
Simple answer, club should be run to be sustainable, successful and socially responsible.
New Head Coach needs all the usual leadership qualities, needs to understand our player trading model and needs to be adaptable in terms of playing style.
Ideally the new Head Coach will also fit in with our trading model and make us some money i. e. Brighton.
04 May 2025 08:11:55
I agree with the 1 in 9, that's nonsense as far as I'm concerned, yes he should have won more cups but still believe if he stayed he's winning the league that season as well, also agree with you Copland managers are suited for certain clubs, anyway if Gerrard does get the job he'll need a very good assistant and I'm thinking maybe Issame Charai is that man.
04 May 2025 08:20:06
To be honest success I'm a manager is deemed on witch teams and where
Success for a manager of Motherwell per say, top 6 finish, a cup final
All the better per say
Do that two seasons in a row your deemed a success
Here any way
A Rangers n Celtic manager per say
First, in league, two cups
Decent runs in europe then your deemed as a success n more so accepted by the fans
Same in England
Spain
Say at real, Barcelona ext success is based finishing top two, champ leage runs ext, where smaller teams are hoping two finish top 5, like betis ext, so that to them n there manager's success, it down to what chairmen expect, n are happy excepting to, it's hard cause when fans ain't happy with a manager creates a ripple effect
What was the question again ? ?
I bored myself to sleep ? ?.
04 May 2025 08:21:29
1 in 9 is not Celtic patter is this your way of making excuses for SG? It's FACT. It happened. Yes he inherited a terrible squad be he is partly to blame for the mess we are in just now because of over inflated wages also.
I just hope they announce the manager asap so we can stop banging on about this subject as it's the same argument everyday on here.
I tried to not post about it again but it's everyday the same pros and the same cons the fan base is split on it and always will be.
04 May 2025 08:24:27
Agree what EHL is saying. Yes you have the odd club in the big leagues that is being run like Brighton, effectively you can replace the coach with a similar and still have same foundations and similar playing style. That's the odd club until you get to Germany, it seems rife in that country. Days of building a squad round a manager are gone for anyone that wants to be sustainable.
The Gerrard success talk further up and the 1 in 9 stuff. Let's not forget, that title was the most important in 30 years. That mob like to try forget about poor Terry Munro.
04 May 2025 08:24:42
We should be targeting a manager that has a set style of play that the Sporting Director wants us to play, that way we target future managers that play that way.
I don't think the style SG had us playing is an attractive type of football and he needs a Beale to do the tactical work for him. Beale wouldn't be accepted back by the majority of fans.
04 May 2025 08:34:09
Thank you EHL for answering the questions that I asked.
I am glad some understood it was not about specific managers.
04 May 2025 08:44:13
I've grown tired of domestic football, a European league of some sort is coming and we'll be front a centre.
04 May 2025 09:35:13
Dont think the sporting director decides what style of football is to be played. The manager does that the scouts identify the correct type of players to play that system and the DoF will try get them to sign if I'm not wrong.
04 May 2025 10:53:06
How a football club should be run is actually quite an interesting question.
Financially, it needs to be run within it's means. We can't ever go through another 2012. That was so unfair on us fans, who had nothing to do with the finances.
recruitment of players is another hugely important aspect of club football. Sadly, our recruitment hasn't been anywhere near good enough. this needs to improve immediately.
The owners of a club need to be seen to beresponsible. Doing there best for the club and fans alike.
04 May 2025 11:46:49
Hi everyone new to the forum here! There's a few pros and cons with gerrard coming back, pros are obviously 55, knows the domestic scene so settling back in really shouldn't take long, his name will attract players which will make Recruiment a slightly easier process. However in terms of a fresh start for the club and new owners I'm not sure turning back is the right move plus his record since leaving leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps Gerrard as the front man with a quality and experienced back room team with the tactical knowledge could be the way to go. I have reservations with a European coach coming in as our track record really isn't great when we've gone down that route before. I wouldn't be surprised to see thelwell go with a tried and trusted team below him with dyche or go with Gerrard again. Whatever happens we all need to go full in and back the new manager and regime 100%! WATP!
04 May 2025 11:59:16
Asa - I'd like to see youth being the foundation of the squad. And not because of quotas or to sit on the bench. Annoys the life out of me when we play a LB and RB and yet have a promising youth RB on the bench. Or bringing on someone like Dowell for the last 10 minutes when the game is over. Better integration of youth has to be the remit for any new manager.
04 May 2025 12:32:44
Marco rose has won nothing really sacked from most jobs one or two after a year I'm sure. rose is another clement. gerrard was a rookie and learned to win the league unbeated in his 3rd year after inheriting a rubbish show then got told he will have to make doo and he decided to leave . gerrard over rose any day.
04 May 2025 12:35:27
Right manager . Gerrard
Knows the league.
Won the league.
Commands respect from players.
Can attract players.
Loves the club.
He's qualified bottom line and you hire the man who is qualified.
04 May 2025 13:06:42
It's hard to argue with wanting the last manager who won us the league. And starting from a worse position than any other manager since.
It's that simple. Like him, hate him, want him, don't. that's the facts.
I wouldn't be upset. It just has to be right.
04 May 2025 13:38:58
Great post Florida Bear, completely agree! Those who continue to peddle this contextless 1 in 9 trophies nonsense need a reality check. Youse clearly didn't appreciate the sheer magnitude of the job on Gerrard's hands and how far we were behind Celtic. Winning 55 was only the start and i've absolutely no doubts that we'd have added many more trophies had he stayed. We progressed every season he was here. You could see a clear plan and style of play, something we haven't seen since. Gerrard brought respect, pride and the good times back to Rangers.
That swagger and bs is exactly what we need right now! The standards that that man drove so naturally is exactly what this club was built and thrives on. Villa in the premier league is a completely different story and Saudi was for nothing more than setting him and his family up financially. Managers will all have that one club that's a perfect fit for them and Gerrard was that for Rangers.
Getting players fired up, winning their battles and earning the right to win is more important in Scotland than some fancy foreign bollocks that doesn't work against a low block or the hammer throwers in this league. We'd also be getting a more settled Gerrard I believe. He's went and tried other things, I think he'd have a greater appreciation for what he had at Rangers and could spend many years here.
With the right backing and a name like his to draw talented players I think it's the perfect time for him to come back. No other name mentioned has excited me in the slightest. Given the mess that same board went on to create I don't blame him for walking away. I know people have their opinions on King but for me that King and Gerrard era was going in the right direction. Great things were brewing. Not backing him was a disgrace after what he done for us, they took their foot off the gas and the decline since is unforgivable.
04 May 2025 14:04:43
Asa remember we lost a cup under SG with a blatant offside goal in the final.
04 May 2025 14:16:16
A manager should be an interchangeable cog in the machine. The club must regain an identity and style.
04 May 2025 15:10:49
Running the club involves those in charge selecting the right manager and backing him with a budget for wages and transfers that allows him to compete with our biggest rivals. If they don't do that whoever they pick will fail and be sacked in a year to 18 months because we are getting beat in OF games and lagging behind in the league. Winning cups doesn't necessarily keep you in a job at Rangers as GVB and Clement found out . I still thin if Clemant had got the backing he was initially promised but was then not delivered we would have been competing for the league this season. No manager was taking that squad to the title.
04 May 2025 15:26:44
It wasn't blatant bornabear but it was just offside.
04 May 2025 15:31:22
A lot now coming round to the possibility of steven gerrard coming back as our manager ?I've always had absolutely no problem if gerrard becomes our manager again ???.
04 May 2025 16:47:43
So you're choice to be our next permanent manager would be steven gerrard CF5 ?I honestly would happy with gerrard if it was him mate ???.
04 May 2025 21:37:36
CoplandFront5 is absolutely spot on regarding Steven Gerrard ??? He inherited the biggest mess out club was in that i can ever remember and built it up and that was always going to take time instead of some constantly spouting this tirade against him ie.1 in 9 p**h with nothing in-between ?I agree with CF5 that undoubtedly imo gerrard would have retained the league title, if he hadn't left for villa ?.
06 May 2025 09:17:28
Just because a manager hasn't won elswhere doesn't mean to say he won't win in scotland and just because someone like gerrard has won league here doesn't mean to say he would win it again
Truth is nobody can say for certain
Can only say in thier opinion who they think has best chance.