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10 Jan 2025 21:48:28
I honestly think the board are to blame here, not Clement. The manager can only work with the resources available to him.

For me, sacking yet another manager is not the answer. The majority of supporters screamed for Gio to be sacked. Yes, his style of play wasn't the prettiest, however he won a SC and got us to a European final - the semi final v Leipzig at Ibrox will be remembered for years.

Gio suffered not only an injury crisis but also the failing of the board to properly financialy support him. His sacking cost a fortune in compensation.

Beale then came along as that's what many fans were screaming for and spent a fortune on what can only be called a disaster. Again more needless compensation paid to sack him.

Clement comes in and has to deal with many players walking out the door for nothing and next to no money to replace them all.

Many players we knew were not good enough but wouldn't move due to the ridiculous contracts the board sanctioned ending up with having to pay them off to get rid of them. Again next to no money to replace.

We are 2 weeks into this window and there's still no movement in with a few out. Does anyone honestly think that Clement doesn't want to sign a CH, a RB to replace Tav and the unreliable Sterling, 4-5 experienced players to provide more stability to the team? Of course he wants all of this.

The reason it isn't happening is because the board can't/ won't provide the finance, not because Clement is clueless as a few have suggested.

We need to realise and accept the days of Souness, Smith, and, the wee dutch general buying the very best are long gone.

If there are going to be demonstrations and frustrations at Ibrox v St Johnstone then let's direct it where it should be directed which is the board.

We need to get behind the team and Clement because until such time the club is properly financed, Clement or whoever is brave/ stupid enough to take over is doomed to fail.

Maybe time to take off the blue specs and see the reality of where we are.

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10 Jan 2025 22:30:21
agree sir truth but those with blue specs are claims dot be those who still support the process not those who dont.

10 Jan 2025 22:33:11
Best post I’ve read in a long long time.

10 jan 2025 22:36:44
well said mate.

10 Jan 2025 22:38:36
The fans need to take a look at themselves aswell, turning against Gio was ridiculous. He was left with Sands and King for CBs. He didn't get the backing Beale got and if he did then who knows where we'd be. My biggest gripe though is how 99% of fans had this idea that Beale would be a success. Under Gerrard, we also struggled badly against the 'low block' and Gerrard's trophy haul speaks volumes yet most fans think he was also a success. What was Beale ever going to do that Gerrard didn't? Given that he was apparently the brains of the operation.
Yes. the board must take full responsibility but Clement can't get away with this 'project' nonsense when Gio didn't get the time in the job that Clement has been afforded.
Another point btw, Liam Kelly is not good enough to play for Rangers. He looks well below the level required. No better than Robbie McCrorie imo.

10 Jan 2025 22:48:11
Once upon a time, supporters supported. Half of them now think their CEO material.

As much as I agree that we should keep PC, my main reason is because I’m tired of changing managers every year and changing nothing else. Any fan wanting rid of PC after Dundee is allowed that view and looking at Dundee for reasoning, we barely looked like scoring. Yes we’re not anywhere near where some of the fans think we are but we’re head, shoulders and a few ladders ahead of Dundee. No excuse, we should have been battering their goal and left without 3 points due to serious luck on their side.

PC needs 6 points, some strong performances and a couple of players back or signing’s in the next week.

10 Jan 2025 22:55:42
The board are very much to blame but that doesn’t change the fact that Clement isn’t the right man to take us forward. We are weak and have zero bottle or personality in the team and he has to shoulder the blame for that, injuries or not!

10 Jan 2025 22:56:41
I somewhat agree with that, but on a football note - there are good enough players to be getting results against St. Mirren, Dundee, Dundee Utd, Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Motherwell and the likes we’ve dropped points to and this team look like they have a major lack of enthusiasm, urgency and fight- that all comes from the manager who looks like his team are ill prepared for the matches against the aforementioned teams! We’ve become a team who on occasion can rise to the challenge and the buck for that football matter lies with the manager!

10 Jan 2025 23:00:03
Agreed . Clement will take all criticism, while the players and board will fly under the radar! Our club has been on its erse for years. We can all try to deflect this, but it's unfortunately a fact. going to take 2-3 years minimum to sort.

10 Jan 2025 23:04:19
Thank you SirStruth.
Clement is being failed by his Board. Yes he's made mistakes, but ultimately his Board have lied to him and failed him.

10 Jan 2025 23:05:38
Fantastic post Sir Struth, agree totally.

10 Jan 2025 23:07:21
The club has been run badly for years. And we can't compete financially with Celtic. But going back to your opening sentences are the resources he has to work with better or worse than the teams he is failing to beat on a regular basis? That is his big problem.

10 Jan 2025 23:34:04
Everything you say is correct but pc doesn't seem to learn. We've won 3 times in 11 away matches 4 in 16 going to last season yet he sets the team up almost the same every time away from home. What's plan b. Why throw on a winger to play rb when Leon king is on the bench but say he had to be creative if he stays he has to find a way to overcome these away matches at home we are fine in Europe home or away are fine yet he cannot overcome poorer teams in scotland that's on him no1 else.

11 Jan 2025 00:15:21
This is the best post I’ve seen on here in a long time barring the good transfer intel from a few reliable posters

How can we as a club move forward without first stepping backwards, we can’t move forward if we sack a manager who has implemented a structure and framework that will grow the club well into the future via a young talented squad filled with saleable assets

We have

1 - Reduced our wage bill from 23/ 24 significantly (circa £7mil)
2 - Sold or not renewed contracts for most of our experienced players last season (Lundstram/ Goldson etc)
3 - Used what little money we could raise and invested on players with potential (although do agree the one player with experience bought in Propper is a bombscare)
4 - Given a very very good manager a longer contract to build a squad that will eventually complete with that lot

This season was always a season of rebuild, I did not have expectations of us challenging this year

This is a chance for us to back a manager and sporting director that can genuinely lay the foundations of a very bright sustainable future for us

Get behind him and the club, and stop listening to the stuff spouted by pundits and some former players on the TV

They are paid to be controversial, never thought someone like Chris Boyd would ever have influence over Rangers supporters opinions as I never believed he was intelligent enough to do that.

11 Jan 2025 00:20:24
The reality of where we are though? I would have understood you completely if it was pre Covid, since then am I the only one that remembers the great unwashed chasing the players out of the car park after a match because they were brutal? The difference there is the board reacted, sacked Lennon and paid to get a decent manager in. We were miles ahead of them then, the only thing that has changed is boardroom decisions and poor recruitment. I agree long gone are the days of us getting laudrup etc.

But Celtic over the years buy young good players and develop them then sell them for millions (jota, edouard, van dijk etc) we sign Davy propers at the age of 30, don’t sell top players when the time is right and when we do we replace them with 26 year old ex wonderkids from the championship that have an injury record longer than a week in jail and then cry out for sympathy when inevitably every year we have a “injury crisis”. Now I’m no business guru but to me player trading is simple, buy cheap while young, develop (which means actually playing not stuck in the B team) they play well then you sell on.

11 Jan 2025 01:09:03
Very well worded statement. Perfectly sums it up. Clement, Koppen, Stewart and the new chairman all inherited this mess.

11 Jan 2025 01:14:24
17 million in debt no matter who comes in won’t have money to do anything.

11 Jan 2025 01:20:54
Okay so I'll start by saying I feel bad for PC as I don't think he was coming to Rangers under these circumstances and was clearly lied to.

That being said not sure you understand how football works, yes the board are at fault for many, many things but it is the MANAGERS job to get the players prepared and ready for our matches not the board (again not defending them)

Blame lies solely with PC for results as this squad is way better than our results have shown.

11 Jan 2025 01:26:03
Picked oldest player we signed Belfast, What about 20 years old 21/ 22 year olds, but here you are going with the oldest.

11 Jan 2025 01:32:19
SirStruth : great post this was never going to be a one season rebuild we are where I’d expect us to be second we are well behind them and still ahead of the rest, we all knew we needed defenders but we’re now almost half way through Jan and nothing has happened in transfer front, do you think PC is happy with his squad I doubt it the board need to come out and say why no one has came in, this is just like when Gerrard won the league the following season no investment our squad has been cut back but no real investment to bolster it, I read on here sack the manager but we’ve sacked more managers in the last few years than in our history and nothing has changed so let’s start again and if we don’t win the league in a year or so sack rinse and repeat who would want the job I can’t think of anyone I’d like to see being offered it who would take it.

11 Jan 2025 04:07:33
I agree with a lot of what OP says.

I’ll answer Sidney’s points

1 still the 2nd highest wage bill in the league by a country mile and should still be good enough to beat these teams.

2 the experienced players were failing as well and it was time for them to move on anyway thi we should have got more money for them. Board fault butmajority of fans wanted rid and agreed with it.

3. Used little money we had don’t like way it’s worded as we still had a healthy amount spent just have to spend it wiser and better Koppen and OC fault.

4 the silliest decision I ever seen or heard of in my life giving the manager a longer contract this year and that is incompetence by the board.


Do I want to sack another manager? No I don’t did I want PC to work yes I did. But he is failing as a manager he should still be capable of beating theses teams plain and simple. 12 points from 33 points is unacceptable when you have the 2nd highest budget in the league. This is the reason he has to go.

11 Jan 2025 06:48:18
Tho I do agree to a point
Dundee worth a mill at most
Us say over 60 mill
So we should be hammering them either way
We are the second d most expensive team in Scotland
So if a manager can't get a tune out thes guys yeah his fault
We are two inconsistent no flow
No style of play
That's down to the manager
N on paper with the cash been spent on our team compared to others in Scotland
Weshould be winning no excuses
It's a decent post sir struth
But it's a managers job to win
N get the best out players week in and out
To beat teams tacticly
N he obviously can't
We should be battering
M-well
Dundee ext ext, he hasn't been able to pull results consistently for awhile now
It's just not good enough fora rangers manager.

11 Jan 2025 07:16:59
Gc u say 17 mill in debt we have lost monwy every year since 2012. So lost over 100mill.

11 Jan 2025 08:02:02
Thanks Stortrooper appreciate your time and effort there

1 - Are we not still in 2nd position in the league with the 2nd highest salary budget

2 - What was the total accumulated savings in yearly wages over remaining contract lengths for those experienced players regardless sale prices

The overriding goal was to lower the wage bill, not raise funds for new players

3 - We spent the 2nd most in our league on players in the summer, we are in 2nd place in the league, above every other team we had a larger budget than

4 - That’s a personal opinion that I disagree with as I have my own thoughts and opinions

There needs to be a sense of reality in where e are, yea we are way behind them, but still further in front of every other team in the league

That’s where I thought we would be at the start of the year, agree 2nd is never good enough but again I will reiterate in the financial position we were in, we had to take a step back to go forward.

11 Jan 2025 08:05:29
Great post. Echoes my thoughts.

it’s difficult to step back and appreciate the dire finances and restrictions that Clement is operating under.

I know I’m in the minority, but we must persevere, give him and Koppen time. Always darkest before dawn!

11 Jan 2025 08:15:23
Great posts Sir Struth and Sydney. Some of us live in the real world while others spout the same about sacking managers and transfers with money we don’t have, but do nothing by way of funding the club ie going to games and purchasing merchandise/ shares etc. The happy clappers and mediocrity acceptors are hurting just as much as the rest of the greatest fans in the world.

11 Jan 2025 08:16:18
Is he failing Strom?
I suppose if you can only see the points deficit or away form, that's fair but Sir Struth and a lot of us on here are trying to see the big picture. Proper was twente captain so when they didn't get their first target, it wasn't an unreasonable purchase. Apart from Cortes, the vast majority of the injuries are guys pre PC, so in terms of managing that he's done well, and most, not all, but most of the dropped points away can be put down to some glaring individual errors enhanced by severe injuries at the back. There's a lot of fans/ budding CEO's that are purely reactive to results, beat celtic comfortably and win big games in Europe and we're world beaters, draw against an inform Scottish team and were dreadful. That is the best post I've read in months Sir Struth and it's great to see so many fans agreeing with it.

11 Jan 2025 08:42:16
Sirstruth and Sydney - 2 good posts guys - when teams are down EVERYONE puts boot in - even supposedly our own aka Mr Boyd? (would love to see him dealing with remit that PC has had - its easy to sit on his butt and spout what the pandering masses want to hear! ) - Try and support the process or we wil be in our washing machine soon for the rinse and repeat cycle YET AGAIN - as it has been mentioned on here by many our failings have come from them on top for many a year THEY ARE TO BLAME FOR OUR EFFIN MESS - not just the guy who is carrying the can in front of media at moment - support the team and put the burning torches and pitchforks away! No one said this would be an easy fix.

11 Jan 2025 09:21:53
OP speak as if no one is criticising the board. They have been criticised for years by fans for the mess. We all know this. Doesn't change whether PC is doing well or not. He's not spent an insignificant amount of money either. He's spent close to £20m which is probably more than all the other teams apart from Celtic put together and it's those teams he's struggling with and still with a wagebill comparible with Celtics. So Yes they took over a mess but don't give us no manager could put a team together with what he had to be able to win games away.

11 Jan 2025 09:29:29
Whilst Clement must shoulder a big portion of blame for tactics, he can't legislate for the ridiculous amount of goals we've lost to errors of players. Since the start of the season our goalkeeping has been brutal. Butland has been culpable for making basic errors against Celtic in league and cup (a follow on from last season) and Kelly was shocking against both Hibs and Dundee. Add in errors by Propper, Jefte and the usual suspects on a regular basis doesn't help.

Everyone was singing the praises of Barron and he'll be a future Rangers captain but, to be frank, he wasn't good enough to hold down a place against Aberdeen and it showed in his performances of late. Others don't look interested or willing to adapt to the rigours of playing in our league. Does Clement believe he has the level of players that can play various formations if required?

It's looking increasing likely that Clement will be released but it doesn't help his cause when so-called senior players are laughing behind his back when the team are losing (Dessers, Dowell, Danilo all did that against Dundee) .

11 Jan 2025 09:32:05
Phil has failed in the first objective that he talked about when he arrived.
Synergy between the team and supporters.
I really don’t know the way forward from this point.

11 Jan 2025 09:34:03
Tremendous post Sirstruth, I agree 100% with all your observations.

11 Jan 2025 09:39:19
Sydney, good replies and good debate as rangers fans. we ain’t all going to agree mate.

We are 2nd with 2nd highest budget and 2nd highest spend but we should be doing a hell of a lot better away from home and I think another manager would have a better record away from home with that squad.

11 Jan 2025 09:54:43
agree Sydney, 2nd highest wage bill gets us 2nd position so we are exactly where we should be then so what is all the fuss about ?.

11 Jan 2025 10:18:31
Well said Sirstruth, Sydney and a few others. Sensible and realistic perspective of what is going on and what needs to happen now.

I don’t think any of us have truly understood the depths of the problems our club have faced over the last decade, we just accepted it would be difficult for a few years but by now we should be back to where we were in the 90’s. The reality check is, we are a decade away from even getting close to being the dominant force we once were and there are a lot variables and challenges to overcome to achieve that. Mismanagement and incompetence at board levels have lead us here but let’s hope to god Thornton, PS etc are the right people to make the painful decisions now to get our house in order to ensure a brighter future and that should not include sacking PC.

I’ve sat on the fence with PC but I am more behind him now than ever when I see some of the abuse he gets on here and elsewhere. He has been shafted and expected to work miracles whilst covering jobs that shouldn’t sit with the manager of a club. Has he made mistakes, got tactics wrong, tinkered with line ups, said the wrong thing at times, of course he has and I have been as frustrated as anyone at times but he is still here and their are glimpses of improvement but he needs the backing of the board and more importantly the fans to see through this difficult period.

I really don’t think we’ll see many incomings this window, regardless of budget versus other teams, there is a cloud hanging over our club and that must be affecting players, coaching teams, the manager etc. finishing second, achieving knock out stage in Europe and winning a cup were most likely the goals for this season and right now all three are achievable. Yes that’s a long way off what we’ve all grown up believing Rangers is and the success this great club has achieved but it’s the reality of where we are right now. We have years of difficulty ahead but to not go and support the team, not keep putting money into the club will inevitably lead us to 2012 and we won’t come back from it this time.

11 Jan 2025 10:23:14
Sir Struth, Excellent post and well worded commentary on the situation. So called supporters in the media like Boyd more interested in using situation for their own personal gain, no shame.

11 Jan 2025 10:47:32
Agree with most of what you have posted SirStruth you do make some very good points, my problem with the current manager is quite simple

1. Has the 2nd best squad in the league only has 3 wins from 11 away from home the same as Motherwell, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee, Ross County and St Mirren simply not good enough there is no excuse.

2. We don't have any money to bring in players fair enough we will need to start promoting some of the youth players but he doesn't do that he still brings on the likes of Dowell and Matondo, bottom line is he should be getting far more out of this squad than he does.

3. The board have wasted millions of pounds and rightly should be called to account however let's not forget if it was not for the board members and their soft loans we could be in the hands of someone like Ashley or worse.

4. No idea where we go from here to be honest but carrying on burying our head in the sand will not get us anywhere either, I remember the 80's when we were finishing 4th and 5th in the league playing in an empty stadium when the crowds averaged 18,000 if we don't do something and soon that is where we will be headed.

11 Jan 2025 11:41:20
We’re all hurting Stormtrooper1, when u get up at yond o clock in the morning hoping for a turn in fortunes every weekend to be dissappointed over and over again

Somethings got to give, we’ve got to rebuild to move forward and at some in the next couple of years, prepare a squad strong enough to dominate again

We finally have a coach and director of football who see the benefit in developing players

Let’s give them a chance, and get behind them

I hope we all get behind Clement who given time and a decent budget will take us back to the top of the league.

11 Jan 2025 12:50:39
SirStruth well said that man ?????????.

11 Jan 2025 12:57:06
Great posts SirStruth and SydneyGer. I totally agree and firmly believe that, given time, Clement and Koppen will sort us out.

Sadly, our academy isn’t working properly at present and so there are very few players coming through of the required standard, hence why they don’t get chances.
Nsiala did ok the other night but he was raw, a fairly weak header of the ball and positionally naive. This is why Clement hasn’t played him until now. Time and coaching will improve the lad but he demonstrates that PC is right not to chuck the kids in too soon. I really believe Koppen will sort this out at academy level and I think John2561 has previously told us there are big changes coming in the academy.

If we can just show some patience and allow time for some very fundamental changes to be made and blossom, I have a lot of hope. The future is bright. The future is Clement (ine) (a shade of orange) .

11 Jan 2025 13:15:23
What player has improved in Clement's tenure?, we’ve had the odd player that has played well for 4 or 5 matches. koppen has recruited a couple of players that look promising. If Clement was the manager we need at this moment in time then how is our away form so bad for so long it doesn’t make sense.

We might be second in the league but to be this far back at this stage is simply not good enough, Clement is a fraud and some simply cannot believe their eyes and the evidence in front of them.

11 Jan 2025 13:19:26
Good post irvbear.


Sydney I agree and you are correct something has to give which is usually the manager.

I have tried to see the bigger picture but in my head and heart I don’t believe we can win the league with this man in charge.







 

 

 
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