17 Nov 2024 13:05:50
Reading on here of potential billionaire takeover which I'm clueless about. so the question I'm asking as we're under ffp. Could a new takeover happen then could they for instance pay big inflated price let's say for advertising meaning more income for the club and then pay more for players/ wages etc? So we're still within ffp rules.
17 Nov 2024 14:36:15
Davie Simple answer no.
17 Nov 2024 15:10:35
There's not billionaire riding to our rescue.
17 Nov 2024 15:35:59
One, there is no mythical billionaire coming to spend all their money on us, people really are going to have to accept that. Two, no, no they couldn’t do that. That’s the kind of thing that has led to the many charges that are currently aimed at Man City. Any sponsorship coming from owners of the club has to be proven to be at current market levels. We would very quickly land the wrath of UEFA for trying anything like that.
17 Nov 2024 16:22:44
The last 3 seasons failures are going mean misery for at least another 10 years I'd say. Celtic are pushing on like never before and Rangers are going backwards.
17 Nov 2024 16:26:57
Nope it’s utter bs all that crap posted on here and some gullible fans will believe it.
You can’t over inflate sponsorship etc… why would anyone think you can?
Newcastle being a prime example of it not happening.
17 Nov 2024 17:52:07
I do not fully understand the financial implications of any takeover, fair play rules ect, reading some comments on here is it a case of, if we did get taken over or a consortium or individual did invest millions, it won't make any difference to the calibre of player we can buy? If that's the case, what's the point of the board seeking investment,
17 Nov 2024 18:36:45
The biggest difference a an investor would make is in the financing of our much needed infrastructure improvements.
These are out of scope for FFP, so they could rapidly increase our turnover growth, which in turn gives us greater scope within FFP.
The reason we are struggling to finance these at the moment, is that any interest etc loans to deliver infrastructure improvements does fall within FFP (which I believe was the issue with Everton, as they didn't account for the costs to finance their new stadium) - so all the loans etc that the current board provide end up being converted on to shares.
This, I believe, is the problem on any proposed investment.
17 Nov 2024 21:16:56
We maybe couldn`t inflate sponsorship deals but there are lots of things that other clubs have sponsored that we don`t . If someone with money wanted to invest there are opportunities of putting money into the coffers that at the moment we are either not pursuing or can`t get anyone interested.
Man City are being accused of false accounting its not as simple as over inflating deals, accusations that they have already beaten UEFA over, they won`t be punished because they will take the whole EPL down with them if they are .
{Ed001's Note - they never beat UEFA. There were just a number of charges that were time barred but they were found guilty of them.}
17 Nov 2024 21:17:44
I believe so mate especially when Newcastle are considering taking the epl to court also they went from a £6.5 million year sponsorship deal to £25million a year so for me rangers could easily get a similar deal if a billionaire comes in.
18 Nov 2024 07:16:32
RFC and wsl you two are both wrong unfortunately.
18 Nov 2024 07:52:19
Where does this leave any intensive for any possible new investor then unless they have an affiliation with the club.
18 Nov 2024 11:12:53
Storm it’s literally facts that Newcastle went from a £6.5 million a year deal to £25million a year deal and are considering taking the epl to court over lost sponsorship opportunities.
18 Nov 2024 12:35:33
Stormtrooper, why are we wrong? Naming rights of the Stadium for a few million a season, same for the Training Ground, not as much but a couple of million, which we currently get ZERO from doesn't break any regulations. The amount may be dictated by market value but someone on here said that BT pay £10million for Murrayfield so that is a good comparison especially as Ibrox gets used more often and football is a bigger sport than Rugby.
Say we got that plus a couple of million for naming Auchenhowie. That would help to get things going. If we get success on the field money will start to roll in from other areas. It's that initial investment in the team that's needed.
18 Nov 2024 13:07:58
thats the problem, unless you take rangers on as a hobby why would you want to invest millions with little chance of RFI.
18 Nov 2024 15:19:09
?? yeah wsl that’s what gona change things ?. That’s all we have and no one is paying a few million for naming training ground so yes you are wrong that’s my opinion ? you can disagree with it.
18 Nov 2024 15:45:49
hypothetical guys, so an investor says i will pay 20M for stadium upgrades, how would he expect to get the money back. only ways i know is either dividends from shares or by charging RFC some fee possibly as a charge against infrastructure. however who knows maybe we can find some lunatic who wants to throw money at us for nothing.
18 Nov 2024 19:27:56
Stormtrooper, you are missing the point, IF someone was wanting to put money in, this is a way that they could do it without breaking FFP . I`m not saying that there are people out there wanting to do this but this was a discussion about how a rich investor, if there was one, could find a way of putting money into the club without breaking FFP . By the way Hummel sponsored the training ground and the name was changed for a year or two, so it has been done in the past.
18 Nov 2024 19:51:08
Geesadodothat - the improvements would do two things, I crease the value of the clubs assets and allow the club to create a greater turnover.
There is significant growth potential within the club.
Wslgers, for fair market value we'd need to show what others in our league can generate through similar sponsorship (that's why Newcastle could increase theirs, they effectively could match Arsenal / City) .
We'd more than likely have to open it up to the market in order to legitimately gauge fair market value.
18 Nov 2024 20:51:53
Wsl I ain’t missing a point and maybe you should look at Man City and why they have a few charges as it’s the same way as you are saying it can be done ? you must be missing the point.
18 Nov 2024 20:55:54
Correct ehl. Some fans completely clueless and still think you can throw money at clubs willy nilly. It’s just not that easy anymore.
There is no quick fix at getting close to them and whether we like it or not it could be many years of pain that’s not being defeatist or accepting 2nd best it’s just being a realist. Tho I still don’t think PC is the man to take us forward.
19 Nov 2024 10:38:29
EHL, i am aware of what investment can do, my question is how does an investor get his money back. unless its sponsorship they would want a return. so how do they get it, either by charging rangers a fee or take shares so they get dividends.
19 Nov 2024 10:51:22
We do not need someone investing £150m+ or for that matter, a billionaire acting like a sugar daddy, however it is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility to see the equivalent of circa £50 million, by way of loans being switched to equity and new money coming from a couple of exististing shareholders and a couple of new investors.
With regards to increased turnover, again we do not need, or want, a wealthy owner manipulating the system to pay inflated monies for advertising and PR, we simply need professional management at Board Level and a quality DoF.
At the present time our operating costs exceed our non transfer fee income. That is what is not sustainable and we need to increase our turnover to £100m + annually to give us a trading surplus prior to any incoming transfer money.
This increase in turnover is very achievable, and a winning team makes this even more so.
I do believe that we will see additional investment, (I have already lauded to the possibility of a Rights Issue with the stock that is not taken up by existing shareholders being taken up by new Investors.
A new dynamic chairman and a CEO with the right connections can most definitely oversea an increase in our off field trading, and I suspect that, with a more professional approach off the field that there are cost savings to be achieved.
The real question for me is can we find the funds to bring in two or three better quality proven proven players for key positions, that our young players can learn from and respect and can we appoint a DoF with the wherewithal to attract those players.
19 Nov 2024 12:46:56
Davie I think rules were brought in to stop clubs like Man City from throwing stupid money into advertising.
19 Nov 2024 12:55:21
Fresh investment gives us fresh opportunities. We would be able to pay for a proper chief executive which in turn could generate fresh income streams that could boost turnover and transfer budget. I agree that we should rename Ibrox to highest bidder as it’s always going to be Ibrox to me anyway and it could be worth millions per season, don’t know why we don’t try and incorporate it with our short deal like The Nike Arena, Nike Training centre and kit supplier.
We could also put additional investment into providing world class coaches to run our youth set up like they do at Ajax where their coaches are paid more than triple what the top coaches in this country are and they finance it by bringing their own talent through and selling them for 100% profit and use more of them which cuts down on transfer fees to bring in other clubs talent.