Rangers Rumours Archive October 08 2012

08 Oct 2012 22:01:14
Hey i cant believe what im reading. are we forgetting new team with young boys in it and new player still settling we had no pre season.how do you think the young boys are feeling the now but for them to read this will knock them back years in their development. the team as a whole showed they can compete with the spl so come on GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND MCOIST AND MORE IMPORTANT THESE YOUNG LADS.. WE WILL COME GOOD.
DR


The above post is spot on , we all cry for the young ones to play, then this happens the fan backlash , ok we got beat by the so called worst team in scottish football this is a learning curve for all this young boys, we will still win the league even if we don't win away match in div3 ! I said last week the pressure is not as intense as the spl ( with losing the title to Celtic etc) once the second round of fixtures come we will go to these small grounds and whip all of them.
Gers1975

08 Oct 2012 23:08:19
the point that has been made repeatedly is that the youth are not getting a game though....apart from 2 or 3 each game your team is full of seasoned ex SPL players and foreigners with lots of first team european football behind them...I agree you will win the league eventually and easily but please stop making excuses that dont hold water and accept the team do not play good football and your manager has been shown up as unable to change things during a game that isnt going well for you...johnnyG.....Ally must stay and get his 25 year contract

Totally agree-the season has a long time to go. I think the away form is psychological. Our players aren't used to 3rd Div facilities and there aren't 50,000 fans behind us. Still the people!

Average age of team is 27 cfc is 23 so get a grip about yong players ally must go

Bottomline: No one is having a go at t'Young lads.

But young lads need proper leadership!
And that is what is lacking.
...Not saying McCoist can't do it.
...But evidence is he hasn't done so yet, since August... and there's plenty that could have.

Whether the right thing to do is replace him or coach him up is a moot point.

The second one does mean lowering sights in the short term, and could mean soem of that young talent doesn't develop as it should.

But against that - Don't forget Alex Ferguson's first few seasons at Man U were an unmitigated disaster. So it could be that McCoist will grow along the same lines and emerge as a giant- if you have the patience to let him.

Then again, it could be a case of throwing away the opportunity to get a decent coach and man manager in (of the Martin O'Neil variety!) in, because of a sentimental attachment to a square peg positioned in a round hole.

Tough shout!

U comparin mc coist to fergie u r really high, sally could manage for the nxt 50 years n wouldnt get near fergie ill put me house on it

It isn't the young lads that's letting us down......it's the so called "senior" players, the guys that should be stepping up and taking these games by the scruff of the neck, the players in question......Shiels, Black, McCulloch, Sandaza, Kyle, Wallace. {Ed039's Note - Again, why is McCulloch being questioned? He is not the greatest quality of footballer, I acknowledge this, I imagine Big Jig would acknowledge this, but the guy has been trying his guts out in EVERY game, but he cant do it alone. This is my opinion but I dont see why Big Jig is in question here. The goals he has scored this season suggests he is not playing bad, in a position he hasnt played much over the last 12 years I might add. These guys should be bossing games, yes, but Black has been injured, Shiels and Wallace were out injured with dead legs for a few weeks and Sandaza who was poor, has missed the last few weeks with a horrific face injury. Kyle, we all knew was going to be a poor signing so we can write that one off. But the team as a whole just needs to step up and AS A TEAM grab the games by the scruff of the neck)

This is pretty sad seeing the abuse Ally has been getting on here!!

I never seen one single person saying he wasnt a manager after Rangers comprehensively DESTROYED celtic 4-2 going on 10-2 at Ibrox last season.

The players are still gelling together, remember...no pre season.....we never even knew if we would be playing again never mind being beat and drawing with 3rd division teams.

As for the celtic fans on having yet another gloat.......remember, the lemon was ONE GAME away from walking from your club.....mind the time KILLIE were thrashing you 3-0 at half time........you certainly had the luck and rub of the green that day. You are only one defeat away from chants of lennon lennon gtf(again).

Anyone would think that some of the people on here would do a better job than Ally. Remember, he has held the club together virtually single-handedly. Ally isnt on the pitch, its 11 players that are. Blame the players, NOT the manager!!

Its only smeltic fans on here causing trouble and saying ally should go.this can be the only thing i can think of as no ranger fans want ally out.so dont pander to the comments {Ed039's Note - I think you will find that the Celtic fans are saying Ally must stay)

Don't have a problem with the young players, it's some of the foreign dross that Ally has signed!! Also the management team has to drum into the senior Scots just what is expected of them!! John F

Yes but it was the team that swally picked that played on the park that got gubbed

Full time squad being paid thousands per week up against painters and postmen . Get real there are motivational problems? Can't win away from home!! Good grief??

Get some management in before it is too late??

Are you serious Ally had 3 years with Walter that team has internationals and this rubbish about pre season does the team not practice togather 3 or 5 times a week

"Its only smeltic fans on here causing trouble and saying ally should go.this can be the only thing i can think of as no ranger fans want ally out."...How blinded are you to the fact that Smeltic ( as you say)fans want Ally to stay and it IS ONLY rangers fans that want to see ally gone...Ally has been a godsend to celtic fans with his results and comments...so believe what you want but rest assured all smeltic,dhims and sphell fans (you're terminology) would gladly give CG a donation to assist in giving Ally his 25 year contract...JohnnyG..ally must stay (forever)

Owen Coyle now available.

It was ally that picked black and did,nt pick hutton....black is not stamping his mark on games
i know nearly getting kicked in the throat and the guy only getting booked may put him off...les

How many times have the same excuses been bandied about - no pre season,young boys,new players,every team playing as a cup final.No element of truth in any of these
excuses.Get real.Ally must stay

What has the facilities got to do with "Playing" football, gone are the days of players played for the jersey and would have stripped in the elements to play for us Time for excuses have gone hard graft is now required

The players letting rangers down is the new signings. I came on here months ago having seen a few under 19 games and know 1 or 2 of the players and said that Rangers u19 had a few right good players. They would lose a few games but the fans would at least see hard work and effort. And developing talent

Shields - injured most of the time and has glimpses of play that show he could come good BUT NOT capable of controlling a game.

Templeton - INJURED

the Greek - DIRE

The French Guy - DIRE

The Brazilian - Dire

To get owen coyle we would need to spend the top dollar dont know if cg has the cash tho would be fantastic if we could tempt him back north hes the kind of guy we need

Give ally a break feel like banging aw your heads together honestly.we will still win d3 thus giving all more managment experience same d2 d1 he will get better same with the players with time...kev

Right fellow bears its going to take time finding the right blend and adapting to life in div 3 when rangers play away to the so called smaller teams no disrespect to any of these clubs intended you will find the home team is treating the match like a cup final and we look lost at home these teams are intimdated by the huge crowd which is having an affect on them we are going to win some lose some its going to take a bit longer than we think

How can the likes of mckay get any confidence when he has been playing ok only to be replaced by a central defender who cant pass a ball? and dont even start about kyle hutton, our best midfielder,not even dropped to the bench{which was wrong black should have had been made to win his place back}but out of the sixteen, a right confidence booster. i dont believe all this burnout crap,get the best players in the best positions regaurdless of age. denzil

A per season? To beat Forres and Stirling, c'mon. These teams are full of players that are tradesmen, with no disrespect. Our guys are training every day in the best of conditions, ever seen Mechanics train out on a drench winters night.....

I agree, these are young lads, they showed that they can do it at ibrox against Motherwell. Away matches on smaller pitches, they need to toughen up, but that only comes with experience. Look how few first team matches most of the squad have played between them. When temps and little are fit I think it would be a good idea to play jig at centre half, he has the experience to guide them all from there

Yes jig in the back we should be more stable.takes time and we have plenty of it..kev

Average age of Rangers squad is just under 24. Average age of Celtic squad is just under 25.

08 Oct 2012 19:21:07
Fellow Bears this has been one terrible year for Rangers and my fellow supporters and just can't wait until the New Year begins and get this behind us.

I have nothing whatsoever against Mr Charles Green and at least he had the balls to get us out of the sad place we were however this share issue is NOT the answer for the fans or a team who will never be able to compete with ENglish 1 or 2div teams as far as paying players all we will get is mediocre journeymen.

Unless.......

We rebuild from the ground up and that has to be Murray Park we should pay for the best coaches in the world from Germany, Netherlands, Brazil etc spend our cash there we have a world class facility and we have 3 years + to start the process

Buying secondhand journeyman is NOT the answer lets look at what we have had and have just now, basement bottom journeymen.

Lets start a new revolution that is sustainable, unfortunately Charles is not hear for the long run, only short term profit so building a new foundation may not be on his Radar but we as supporters should ensure its on our agenda if he wants us to invest and this is crucial to our long term future. If Charles agree to the biggest percentage going on new world class coaches and attracting the best youth we can then he may attract what little cash I have.

Lets pay top dollar for the best coaches and attract the best young players we can from all over the world

Just my thoughts and would welcome a debate on the banter page about how we move forward and yes if the darks idle side want to have some banter fair enough think after Saturday and today at work I now have a skin like a Rino

WATP

Really agree with the point above!!

Great idea although i think Celtic are years ahead in terms or training facilities (lennoxtown) and youth development. Good to see that you are taking note on how a successful club is run though.

CJ

Got to agree with the poster totally

Could not agree more, I as a fan,would be willing to totally rebuild, we are at the bottom of the barrel atm so why not take the chance to revamp our team and put up with the stick we will get and tough times to make a success. I hate to say it but celtic scouting system is working for them. we could do worse than take a leaf out of there book in that dept.

And who is going to fork out 'top dollar' ?

Top post mate....a man with sense! Lets hope someone with the walls of Ibrox has a similar view for the future.....i'd roll up and spend my last dime!

Best coaches in the world ? Yeh rangers are going to pay the wages for that?

Good coaches is part of the jigsaw. But its not the full answer

Good post. Some fans want to wins games straight away and aren't patient enough though. I'd happily take a year or two longer in getting up if we were to build a really strong foundation of youth.

Good post mate just look at the Dutch model... But what's to stop green cashing in on the talent when it matures .. Just like the Dutch model... All the top Dutch teams sell at the right time, but if we groom rangers minded kids who are loyal then the future is bright ..
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Where is this "top dollar" coming from, a fairy godmother? Business men will invest in realistic projects which are profitable to them. I don't believe Scottish football can generate the returns for a top dollar investment at the moment. I realise the huge fan base for both Rangers and celtic worldwide but without the media exposure of the premiership, I think it's pie in the sky.

Great post, our scouting system is abysmal, could do worse than take a leaf out of Ajax's philosophy etc.

Paying top dollar is what got us into this mess

Much sense, but if you buy shares, then much like Celtic fans you must buy them for non commercial reasons.

If you compare the quality and value of the two OF squads today, and imagine Celtic beng another 30 million stronger in 3 years. How long in financial terms will it take Rangers to equal and surpass Celtic ?

It may take a decade, a bit like Celtic in the nineties. Its a long road back.

The best young players in the world may not fancy leaving home to live in Glasgow. Well get what's left after the big la liga and epl teams cherry pick the talent. The idea is spot on mind. The scouting at rangers is questionable . Who was our last great find as a club not necessarily youth but great signing from another club who everyone else missed? Cuellar?

Top post at last someone has a bright idea

Great post. Well said. The challenge is attracting talent period - coaches and players but we surely have to try. As I have said in another recent post, we need to look at our style of play. High tempo - yes when it needs to be but we also need to be patient too, keep the ball on the ground and promote and encouage a pass and move game. With this ethos and our pride and passion as Rangers supporters we will get our famous club back to where it belongs. Keep the faith and the blue flag flying high.

That is a very sensible post but you know why it wont work...The Fans. This is not a dig at Rangers fans it is an indictment of football fans all over the world. Instant success is a must and failure not tolerated. I have 2 boys 11 and 12 years old who have been asked to sign for Rangers, Celtic,Hearts,Hibs etc and they have rejected all of them. They are now training and playing with Livingston. Not a fashionalble club but their focus is on player development. The kids are being coached by John Collins who is without a doubt the most technically gifted footballer we have produced in Scotland for years. The focus has to be on creating kids who can play the game but too often you hear the "Get intae them" brigade shouting and bawling at matches. This country still thinks that you have to be 6ft tall and built liek a heavywewight boxer to be able to succeed, load of tripe. It would be wonderful if this country could produce great coaches but while the same idiots are still running the coaching courses teaching the same rubbish as 15 years ago then the kids will never improve. The whole thing needs to start from grassroots not just at the big clubs.

I actually think not only do we need better scouts but better coaches as well. a number of players have been allowed to leave us who have gone on to better things eventually. i.e. adam and mccormack to name a few

Cl as i,ve been in both lennoxtown and auchinhowie i think there is no comparison between both rangers hands down on the other hand scouting selling on and general buying of players its celtic hands down

How is this a top post.

Rangers have had the Murray Park facility for years and it hasn't worked in times when money was available.

Why would top coaches and the best young players from accross the world come to a club in the 4th tier of Scottish football.

And to pay top dollar for all of this - just where is this top dollar going to come from. Green's share issue will be used to pay off current investors and to bank roll the club.

And furthermore, it would take at least 10 years to see the fruits of this. It was Johan Cruyff who set up the present structure in place for youth development at Barcelona and it is only the last few years that has seen this pay dividends. Cruyff left Barca in 1996.

All sounds great mate - but sadly it ain't going to happen, especially when you consider the point you made - Green is in it for the short term. He wants to take his money and run, not invest it in future youth development.

Do you idiots not understand 3rd div football , these carthorses are kicking the proverbial out of our lads,but Ally can't open his mouth about it , and the standard of the ref's also,Wise up
Jimbo

07 Oct 2012 22:44:20
Durrrant said on the RFC website the players have a problem with the facilities at the grounds they need visit.

Most of the youth are getting a chance to play 1st team football and the others signed up knowing they would play in the 3rd division. This shouldn't be an issue.

The problem is the management, they need to get it through to the players that every game needs to be treated with the utmost importance because it is.

Ally should be screaming blue murder at the players from the touchline. He should get lessons from Fergie on how to hairdryer these muppets.

McCulloch said (Daily Mail!)
" I wish we could put our finger on what's actually wrong."

That is a very telling comment! After a result like that if your manager isn't SCREAMING at you with a blow by blow account of what went wrong where, when from who, and HOW precisely it is gonna be fixed... well... there is only one place to look!

I have no doubt that - to give an example - Terry Butcher would have left arms and legs littering the dressing room and the cleaning lady would be sweeping up fingers and teeth had an equivalent humiliation been visited upon a team enjoying his stewardship.

And every player in his team would be in no doubt about 'what went wrong' and moreover they would be quite clear on 'precisely what they were expected to do about it'.

Correct time to get terry butcher in quickly

I personally want Ally to stay probably more out of loyalty than anything else but can't disagree about your Terry Butcher scenario.

As for poor facilities being blamed. From all accounts that really isn't remotely the case with Stirling Albion and is a poor excuse from Durranty.

Anyway ask any fan who has ever dreamed of playing for Rangers if the thought of a substandard dressing room would bother them when slipping into our famous strip!

BARNEY BEAR

08 Oct 2012 10:38:54
These players would do well to remember exactly who they're playing for and they need to forget inadequate or inferior facilities and rise above it ,, and concentrate on being 100% focussed on the job at hand ........ looking around themselves during warm up should provide them with all the motivation needed because the very least they should be doing is alleviating the pain & suffering the bears on the terracings have had to endure ........ in other words .... they need to feel their pain and if they do that then they'll be all the better for it .

How do poor facilities/dressing rooms equate to playing like a bunch of one-legged, blind donkeys on the pitch??

Another poor excuse to add to the growing list.

As soon as the first player mentioned away facilities, Ally should've decked him.
End of that issue. Next.

Worst excuse I've heard yet, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that on Iain. Maybe the opposite is true these guys are so molly coddled and spoiled by the facilities at Ibrox and Murray Park ! Perhaps thats what has to change to make this lot hungry !

Durrantt u should stop making excuses for the crap rangers have got playing for them

I have been on before on the same subject?
Ally your loyalty to RFC is above question it is your ability to motivate and man manage that causes great concern?

You are up against part time players who do not get paid a fraction of what these jesters get!

Get it sorted or step aside, why are the players unable to cope with this level of football?? It is not as if they have to do a weeks work in addition to playing football?

BARNEY BEAR'S reply hits the nail on the head folks. Durrants claim only winds people up more about this embarrassment. And Barneys spot on...any of you would play on a glass riddled ash park at black hill to play for Rangers so this excuse wont fly.

This "Its like they're cup final" patter need put to bed aswell as its nothing but a total cop out! It could carry a little sway if it were 2 years from now and it was a hungry Raith Rovers, Partick or Livingston that Rangers were playing in the first division but 3 division teams with part-time players NO CHANCE, IM NOT HAVING IT!

This season rangers have won 1-0 1-0 2-0 3-0 4-0 2-1 4-1 5-1 5-1

drew 2-2 1-1 0-0

lost 1-0 4-3 on pens

Its a shockin excuse we do better when the youngsters are on cause they dont care where they play as long as its for the gers

Great u beat 3rd div teams u must be so proud and durrant needs a kick rite in the coconuts abusin teams facilities, if it bothers him that much get to fu*k n see who else will employ u

The facilities excuse is feeble - players should be used to small changing rooms etc from when they were young, nobody starts at the top. Can't blame the pitches either as its early in the season and they are in the best condition they can be - they will only get worse over the winter. What we have to do is START PLAYING FOOTBALL on them