Rangers Rumours Archive March 08 2012
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08 Mar 2012 22:09:04
Everton fan here, is it true that if you'se go into liquidation we won't have to pay the rest of the transfer fee for the jelly man ? its hard to believe that with your finacial state they would agree for everton to only pay 1.5 million up front, surelly they knew this would happen right ?
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Rangers go into liquidation, then NO Everton do not have to pay because the company no longer exists.
Same as hearts not getting there money for Lee Wallace
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3.5 paid up front 1.5 to pay. It would still need to get paid. Creditors would be entitled to it.
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The reason whyte sold him to you was the money up front supposedly 6 mil mate, good luck for the season ive got a soft spot for yous since big dunc... craig+sadbabybear
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Ok then jimmy corkhill
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The money owed to hearts would be settled through money raised from assets not anywhere near the £700 grand but something would be paid. Everything inside Ibrox and Murray park would be auctioned off. This is why liquidation can not be allowed to happen. Trophies will be auctioned the tops and pictures that are on the wall will be sold. Anything at all worth a penny will be AUCTIONED to pay creditors. Christ could you imagine the septic getting there mits on the loving cup
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Course you have to pay. Liquidator chases all debts due to Gers. To b divided amongst. Creditors or more likely. Top up liquidators fee
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6 million up front craigbabybear you are joking right it not even 6 million all together
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At this moment in time our club is still running loses at 1 million pounds a month something has got to give soon sorry state
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They don't have auctions if someone wants to buy the lot.
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Well done davie moyes a good tim HH#
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Ps. he has a dodgy thigh
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Has he done anything for you yet? havnt heard anything from him, how you like paying that much. He only scored because the refs gave rankers spot kicks, which half his goals were from
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I can think of 2 times, whit is the pen taker. you knowfine well he scored a variety ofgoals. hence he got his move. unlike hooper.
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Take it back had a couple of beers last night.. p1shedcraig+babybear
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Whits was the penalty taker but he missed 1 i think and the jelly man took them he scored at least 6 pens this season
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08 Mar 2012 21:59:06
I am hearing the following from the supporters club.
Season ticket holders adults: £21
Season ticket kids: £7
Non season ticket adults: £38
Non season ticket kids; £12
These are the figures which Rangers need to meet for the remainder of the season. with Ibrox full for survival.
Boxes etc will stay the same as they are expensive enough.
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Worth every penny!...Lafferty can get new tyres for his 4WD now, and his burd can continue to get her daily manicure.
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£38 to watch a meaningless game nah i'll gee that one a miss..........Stevie
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How much for concessions or did they forget about them?
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Ill take it as long as whyte aint there, i want my club to survive in our form , pay our debts and crack on,,, only thing worries me what happens when season is finished our cash might just buy whyte a new ferrari.... craig+sadbabybear
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Stevie - I assume you're not a Rangers supporter. Your apathy is astounding.
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Oh - you'd be a glory hunter then?
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This is nonsense. Players on 5 to 20k yet fans being asked to pay twice, to limp to the end of the season at best.
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Ive paid enough this season and been told nothing one word disgrace
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If the players don contribute why shoul the fans
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Some of the player do not support the club, they are employed by them. You support them thats the difference
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Un-named poster bang on mate you assume right......Stevie
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Because the club means everything to us this probably not the case with alot of the foreign lads sad as it is they r only doing a job I'm sure the blue noses in the squad are willing to take the cuts.
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Sit back and do nothing or Pay in. I will have my money ready
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If this straw poll is anything to judge by, RFC will lose its 140 year history.
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What on earth are you talking about
already paid for my family's 4 season tickets last year
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Rangers will survive. There's several interested parties awaiting the outcome of a CVA.
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08 Mar 2012 20:50:54
Just spoke with Mike J from one of the supporters trust.
Duff and phelps will void all season tickets on Monday to allow us supporters to pay for the remaining matches.
This is a great benefit to the club as it looks as though we can scrape survival going down this route.
I know some people may not be able to afford it, however we need the fans who CAN at the moment.
Some supporters may grumble, we know that, but thats tough as we need the club to survive. Survival is priority not who has paid for this and that.
This will be confirmed either tomorrow or Saturday evening on Blue's News.
Come on bears, lets stand up and be counted!!
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Brilliant idea and a real show of commitment. Well done lads!
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Total rubbish
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The people who pay monthly instalments, do we just pay double and get the same seats? Good idea though if it saves the club
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Its up 2 us now come on guys lets do this if this is true lets do it
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If Season Tickets are voided I would expect Strathclyde Police will force the game to be played behind closed doors as there would beno way to prevent Celtic fans picking up tickets for the wrong part of the ground, thereby removing any financial gains
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'To allow the supporters to pay'. youve already paid. If you really want to help send them a cheque. Im no lover of the OF but why should you have to pay twice ? Ordinary working class punters and their families cant afford that.
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Ok we pay season ticket then that's void so we pay again at gates take it we show season tickets to get our own seats then we have save rangers they want money as well this is great think a will wake up in the morning and this will be a nightmare fantastic ... Kenny bluenose what you think ed {Ed001's Note - it's great if you can afford it, not for those who can't.}
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Very risky as most fans don't know who to trust, I for one wouldn't be happy paying again for my season ticket seats, then find out new ticket money i have paid goes to one of Craigie Whytes creditor companies or club goes bust, it's a mess!
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Ticketus own the rights to the season books untrue
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It may be tough,its also illegal,selling a seat that someone has allready paid for and wants to use is fraud at best. certainly immoral and theft. how low can rangers stoop ?
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I hope this is true. But suspect it is a lie.
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Yeh , nice one
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That is a load of bull.
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I domt trust duff n phelps one bit , think there just more lying ********
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Seasons tickets cant just be voided without the consent of those who have paid for the tickets.its illegal
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Has to be done to save the club. Should have been done sooner.
Hopefully there will be a discount on ticket prices for season ticket holders.
Aye ready
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I dont think this is fair some people have spent all they can afford this season and will miss the rest of season why not set up some way we who can afford to can pay money to the club by direct debit etc for say a season to get us back on our feet i like many more fans are willing but need direction and we need someone who we can trust to see over the money ie not our current owner ed is this a thing that could happen
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I pay for my ticket monthly. I was just explained how it will work via email. basically, I will pay double instalments instead of one for the remainder of the season and will keep my seat. My mate said rangers will automatically take double instalments and if you wish for this not to happen you can claim it back.
If you have already paid for a ticket, you simply go to the ticket office show your season ticket and you will be allowed to purchase a ticket there and then for the next match.
Remainder of seats will be sold off for cash on match days.
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Hot Air again,loads of written promises and ideas NOTHING has been done .
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Be as well saying why dont d and f chip in too by reducing their costs then watch their faces ,face facts the players have healthy bank accounts and dont tell me otherwise so they can chip in too , ive followed gers since 1956 then we had the early 60 s when players were players like brand and millar getting the train through from edinburgh to glasgow every morning thats what you call commitment doug
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Sqeeeeeeeeky bumtime?
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This post is total nonsense all fans who have bought season tickets have entered into a legal contract that entitles them to entry and same seat for home games, all monies would have been paid up front, the admin can not legally void then re-sell tickets without repaying money to season ticket holders for outstanding games
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Forcing working class supporters to pay twice whilst the players wont even agree to take a pay cut, I think it's disgusting. The supporters have done their bit, time for the ones at the top to start doing theirs!!
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Now its Duff and Phelps fault. How many people are we going to blame . It is Sir David and his board for the biggest part of the cr#p. They all knew about the dealings.
Craig Whyte was their savior ,they knew he was not fit to purchase Rangers but they did not care ,they just wanted to walk away.
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To the people who're saying it's not fair.
Think of this - there might not be any games to go to at all, if we don't do this !!
Use your brains and stop you're moaning. This is about survival and saving 140 years of history !
Gav
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Utter mince. they can not do that. supporters trust has no say in such matter. nice idea, but more likely they will have buckets for donations!
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I will not put another penny while whyte is still there ..Love my club but not 1pence when that muppet is still there
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Sdm slinked away silently as he new what was coming he owes bank of scotland 800 million 50 million of that he put into gers not his own money how the f can a bank allow anybody to owe them that
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Its a simple proposal. If you are willing to pay until the end of the season, the club will continue provided you do not lose the tax case and somehow the administrators make enough savings to pay the debt in part if can be agreed. If Rangers make it to the summer. It will be sell the remaining players that have a value and you will be a mid table team for 4 or 5 years.
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Total Lunacy, who writes this stuff! Got 3 tickets in main stand, no way like all others i will be forking out again! get real, 3 million unemployed in the country and those of us already hard up are to pay again?? Like it will make a difference NOT!
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I smell sh!te, as for the Bank allowing it they went along with SDM right from the start. There are a number of ex Bank of Scotland executives who are far more culpable than Whyte.
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Some peepil have gave up holidays to buy season tickets , and in the present climate cant afford £50 quid to get them and a family member in to the games! Not everybody can afford it not happy with this decision at all if true...
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They can void season tickets. It's been done before. Other clubs have done it before.
I agree with the previous poster - SDM has a moral obligation to step up and put his own money in now to help save the club.
The ex players who benefitted from the EBTs are hopefully examining their own consciences and will stump up some money to save the club. Hopefully Paul
Murray has all their contact details !!
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Wtf all the crying for ? Is it real supporters saying they don't like sound of this ??
I got my season ticket , I like many people can't afford to te pay for my seat. , but the way I see it , if they can re sell my seat to help save the club and keep going then I happily will forgoe my seat
Mattie the Smokie bear
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I wont be spending anymore shambles
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Murray and EBTs paying up, when are you going to stop playing fantasy administration
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I agree SDM should step up. To ask ex players that were part of EBT scheme to help out is wrong they did not ask to be rewarded this way.The old board offered the scheme to them as we could never have had them without it..
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Total rubbish I emailed the RST earlier tonight - it was confirmed that this idea has not even been thought of.
Players on 25k a week wont take 5k-10k a week but fans have to put ourselves further below the bread line to support a team which shows its fans no loyalty.
LOYALTY WORKS 2 WAYS
Murray, Whyte have showed us none and the players need to start showing more
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When will Old Firm fans wake up to being constantly ripped off by there clubs. Its a shocking, fill the wealthy's pockets while they rip the fans off. Check attendances of late, everyone is getting pissed off and bored of playing each other up to 7 times a season. I feel sorry for the smaller clubs, but l honestly think they would have thrived when the Old Firm wanted to move to England. They never gave a damn about the rest of Scottish football, personally, I'd rather they both went bust after that than see them in the Premiership.
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Fellow bears keep you money for the newco as the money we are spending on the club is going into a black hole wait to see who owns the newco then invest
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Don't go to the games and your history is gone, your club IS its history, nothing else matters.
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First we don't pay out bills, now we want to sell the same seats twice. What's next a half time raffle where the prize is the erskine Bridge?
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Void all season tickets? no way that would be illegal. think again
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Afraid so guys, so far this is the first time a football club has gone into administration where the first thing that happened wasn't season books being made null & Void, dunno how they do it, but its always the first thing they do
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My word what a load of tosh, your all forgetting that the Law of Scotland applies. Where goods have been sold and bought in good faith constitutes a contract, i.e. a seat at Ibrox there fore for the duration of the contract i.e. a season, the ownership is transfered to the purchaser for the vendor to cancel the contract is a breach of contract contavening Civil Law, and to ask for payment for the same product is Fraud which is contravening Criminal Law.Ask yourself this are we not deep enough in the brown smelly stuff, that D &P want to dig in deeper with all the litigation of several thousand complaints of breach of contract and fraud, people wake and smell the coffee, we have no God given right to be above the law of the land and stop believe the rubbish put out.
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Are some people not getting the magnitude of the situation that we are in.....yes things are not great financially for the average fan and yes you have already paid for your season ticket as have i ,and if you cant afford to shell out more,its understandable that you cant give anymore but all this disgust at losing out on rest of season ??there wont be a club unless drastic actions now !watch the games on telly for rest of season and let the fans that do have the cash fill the stadium with cash paying punters so that we have a team to watch next month and next year as in normal circumstances i would agree that we shouldnt have to shell out more but cmon people wake up and step up if you cant step aside and let others rally round and share the burden as consumers rights and moral highground wont save us drastic actions and everyone taking a hit whether its giving up rest of season ticket and sitting at home or if you are fortunate enough to give it up and pay cash to go to remainder of home games we would all be doing our bit to save our club as i for one wont stand by and watch my club die think about it ...lose a third of your seaon ticket or lose your club ,our history forever ,i know what i choose so if you really are rtid then prove it ...take the hit and do your bit whatever shape or form it is
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Lot of fans who do not give a *****
The lawyer who is stating consumer law. Well let me tell you, we are in administration. Join the long list of creditors who will be getting a CVA
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08 Mar 2012 20:45:34
There wil be redundancies tomorrow. However, there will also be an agreement with wage cuts.
I expect Papac, Bocanegra, Bedoya and Juan Manuel Ortiz to be made redundant tomorrow.
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You keep writing there names. Why?
try Mcgregor, Naysmith, Davis and Whittaker. The ones who can't agree deals!
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Id except them players going apart from bocanegra.
cant broadfoot go instead, but do us all a favour
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Thats only bout 150000 a month alot more than that needed
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That's just supposition. There are a number of permutations. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Naismith, mcgregor, Davis will not be released as they have genuine sell on value and in a business sense are assets.
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No point in keeping assets that are more expensive to keep if the club won't exist to cash in on them!
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If all of this is true why don't we ask for special dispensation to sell them ffs!!
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Like alot of the bears i am fed up with all of this. We need to remember those guys on £25k a week etc, earn in 2 weeks what a top salaried worker who goes to Ibrox on a sat gets in a year. He is in the top 5% of punters who go to Ibrox and pays his money. The rest of us the less well off never see even that kind of money in 2 years yet here we are being asked to put in MORE MONEY to save our club! Its high time these players lived in the real world. redundancy for them does not mean the mortgage on the castle does not get paid, or the wife canny get her hair done every day. Bears its over as a club as we know it, and CW and his uncle DM have wrecked our club. Been going to Ibrox for 30 years like a lot of you and shelled out european trips and the like on the cc, cant believe it has come to this!
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It will be the office worker cleaners ground staff that will suffer now hang your heads in shame
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Which part of 1 million pound wage cuts do you not understand ?
Those players do not add up to 250k per week, more like 50k.
Highest earners who will not agree to pay cuts must go, regardless of their future worth. These players will never stay at RFC next season, they can not afford to pay them, they will be sold and the money will not go to RFC but the creditors under the CVA.
DUMP THEM NOW, AND SURVIVE.
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08 Mar 2012 20:05:24
Heard on the radio that Craig Whyte may not be recognised as the main creditor. If that's the case then it's game on. Seemingly it came from Duff & Phelps.
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What does at mean he doesnt get his pound back??
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No it's not game on if only it was that easy
We still owe everyone ,just that whyte is not the main creditor ..remember he is still the owner .sitting waiting on a big pay off
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Must be true then. lol. Don't be daft!
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If he's not main creditor... He might nit have ibrox secured or Murray park.... Ergo..... We might lose them if we are liquidised.......
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What the poster means is that he doesn't get first shout on funds . He may therefore get nothing and a cva might be possible.
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If anyone wants to listen to it go to Clyde 1, superscoreboard, go to "rewind" - select tonight's show, press the forward button to 1:14:00 and listen.
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Wait a minute... if he isn't the preferred creditor then there isn't one. The whole reason he wanted a floating charge was to ensure that in the event of liquidation he could retain the assets. No floating charge then all RFC assets put in a pot and split between creditors in the event of liquidation.
And no, I don't want CW having anything to do with the club - I do think we may need his floating charge should there be liquidation and NewCo
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This seems to be a well kept secret - who owns the floating charge? My money is on Ticketus.
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Right guys this might have been done b4 but here goes, CW owns ibrox and we go into liquidation what is to stop him from gifting ibrox to the new owners if ticketus have no security on ibrox, i know pigs may fly and that but is this possible
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The main creditor will be ticketus it was their money cw used . if hmrc are then btc lost and it dont matter a **** cos its gameover
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HMRC are second biggest creditor, they will snap up Ibrox and Murray Park for the good honest tax paying citizens of Scotland!
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Everyone here has head up their ass.
I know its a rumour page but...............
we are looking like uneducated idiots
The Gers as we know them are dead in the water, screwed by the people we trusted.There is no way back now.
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Main creditors in order are Administrators (they get their fees), then HMRC. By that time they'll be nowt left for anyone else. HMRC ALWAYS come before everyone apart from the admin.
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If ticketus are main creditors then why we're they at court today trying to get their hands on £3.6m they shouldn't /dont have to go chasing money, ticketus has made a big blunder and they know it, some people on here talk total pash !
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It aint over just yet.........
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Heard this on Clyde tonight, if this is true even more worrying as liquidation would see them sold off.
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Yes he is , the main floating shareholder and im afraid he still owns ibrox , which we might have to lease from him! AS
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To treat the fans like this is unforgivable
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Would selling murray park not help some ov this x
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Shocked the way Rangers have treated loyal fans. Maybe better off following Motherwell
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In the event of liquidation, the assets of the club namely players, I Ibrox and Murray park together with trademarks would be sold to the highest bidder and the proceeds used to settle the creditors. These assets would not be sold on an individual basis as they would not raise much money. That being the case then the club would be sold as an ongoing concern.
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Craig Whyte came to save us. And save us he will. Wait and see!
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08 Mar 2012 18:50:59
The SFA are considering buying Murray Park if Rangers go into liquidation. The SFA want to use the training complex as a centre of excellence base.
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As far as I'm aware sir David Murray still owns Murray park which he paid £13.5m of his own money to build.why would rangers being liquidated mean it being sold to settle rangers debts.can I sell your house to pay off my bank loan?
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Great idea would be good for scotland and scottish football b
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I remember when Murray Park was openness, Murray said he gifted it to Rangers so that whatever happened to him or his companies or his family's fortunes after him, the Murray park facilities would always be owned by rangers. There are press reports to this effect at the time.
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I think youll find that. yet again, Mr Murray didnt stump up the cash ( at least not all of it) Lotto money was used and possibly some from SFA too.
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The Scottish land register will show who owns it. And when and for howuch it has changed hands.
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Rangers don't own murray parl murray group owns it
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Why would the sfa pay for Rangers training park
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Dont talk s**t!! it belongs to David Murray
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Paul Clark has confirmed that ANY buyer will be buying Ibrox, Murray Park and the playing staff. Murray owns NOTHING.
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Rubbish
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Thats definite nonsense, david murray owns the complex
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Does anyone actually know who the hell owns it - some say the club, some say Murray.
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The vultures are circling the wounded animal!!
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Wasnt it mentioned before that C Whyte transferred Ibrox,Murray Park and all other properties to his holding company wave______ cant remember the correct name,but its been mentioned here before.
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If murray still owns murray park what did craig white actually buy . i would say he was robbed for a pound
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Don't know where a few are getting that Sir David Murray owns Murray Park. Cause he doesn't! Rangers own Murray Park and it's in the hands of the administrators. If Rangers go into Liquidation, it's open season for the assets. SFA would be saving themselves a few Millions by buying Murray Park. Instead of building a much sort after centre of excellence, that our Scottish FA (performance director) Mark Wotte has been asking for.
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Would'nt give the s.f.a f all
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David Murray didn't pay for murray park out of his own pocket, its was borrowed money that payed for that, most of the signings under David Murray where founded from borrowed money, that's the reason we are in this mess, DEBTS ran up by him and CW that we simply cant afford to pay back. if you believe that DM founded all this from his own pocket then you must have have went to the same business school as CW.
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You don't have a choice - if the admin team is made a decent offer if the club goes under, they will accept it. Bitter of you anyway to hold grudges against the SFA - what has the organisation done to you?
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The SFA want to buy Murray Park?
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Give the s f a f### all
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08 Mar 2012 18:47:25
Latest on Rnagers from BBC - Rangers remaining fixtures are at risk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17300277
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Have you been on a Richard Branson flight to the moon? This has been the case for quite a time now.
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Utter nonsense total scare monkeying
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08 Mar 2012 18:44:46
SPL clubs to have a secret meeting without Old Firm to discuss setting up a league structure without either of them 1st division clubs to be invited to join 16 league team set up.
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Well... it's not a secret anymore.
Could it be that now Rangers are wounded, that the others are sending a message to Celtic... without Rangers they are not a force to be taken seriously...
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I thought this was nonsense but was it was on BBC news tonight, the underlings are fighting back as they think OF will be weak without each other!
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Yeah right lol lol lol
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Dougie Vipond mentioned something on reporting Scotland, no DIGNITY that man!
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Not worth this text lol
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The meeting is 10 spl clubs..excluding
Celtic and Rangers to try and change
distribution of monies . They have short memories Celtic and Rangers have helped their bank balances for years. They all seem quite happy at the Gers plight and would be happy if the Tic went the same way,
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It's not a secret then
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Complete tosh taking 1/3 of tv money between 2 glasgow sides.. fact putting almost every rantic away game on tv costing 000s off attendances..... costing fortunes to police them........ yeah other clubs have made fortunes right enough .......
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Now is the time to act and end the OF monopoly of Scottish Fitba
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, u mad bro ? Without RFC & CFC there is no Sky deal (money). There will be barely any fans of this league. It will be an even bigger joke than the SPL (that is, if it's even real...). Surely they cannot be that stupid.
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There will not be any TV money to worry about,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL
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Haha celtic fans not so smug now
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This will truly be the death of Scottish football and will never happen.
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Haha god they for real?? Let them have there pishy league rangers n celtic for the english league! Lets watch it die also rename it slp (SUNDAY LEAGUE PISH)
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Fantacy Island!
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Rangers and celtic won't get into English league so forget that one
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Just need one or two of them to get into champions league £10million in there hipper! Plus all the glory hunters will have to somewhere?
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Good for them. They will feel the wrath!
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Good, just pump up the tickets for all away games to cover the cost. Boycot all away fixtures and install the big screens at our stadium.
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Let them wire in Celtic could go down the road of live streaming or setanta Ireland which we know as premier sports pay a monthly subscription. And we would still make more money than all the rest put together, no worries!
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Main thing on the adgenda is who they can exploit Newco FC s entrance into the SPL if they even let them in . Will cost them dearly and rightly so . TTTS
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I can understand why Rangers aren't invited to the meeting. Maybe, they think Celtic can't add anything constructive. Strange that the rest of the SPL have turned against Celtic so quickly...mmm
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Utter crap....they know there is only one superpower in Scottish football now and are bricking themselves. Celtic will now be able to leave for pastures new and the remainder are up the creek.
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And where will the pastures new be? england has made it clear they arent interested... ireland isnt a thriving lague, nor welsh football...
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Think you will find that Mr Lawwell will be heading South to EPL or Championship with one team, leaving 'baggage team' behind.
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Heading south to championship? And just who do you expect to let them take their place? Oh I expect they will have a 25 team league. More dreaming.
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Sounds to me like Mr Lawwell will be heading to another planet, in another solar system, in another universe.......
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Shhh! it's a secret, but everyone knows lol! Good luck bears over the coming days and months
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These other 10 teams have only survived
because of the money generated by the
Old Firm when we go to their venues.
THEY HAVE VERY SHORT MEMORIES.
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No way would rangers or celtic leave scottish football england would not want any team we have to rebrand our game as it is dying losing crowds a big rethink is now get used to it
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08 Mar 2012 18:43:25
Craig Whyte, Ticketus, Jerome Group
Pension, and Duff and Phelps, contesting £3.6m, held by Collyer Bristow
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/300112-rangers-court-battle-with-craig-whyte-over-36m-to-keep-club-afloat/
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08 Mar 2012 17:53:32
Ed, I copied this from another Rangers forum.
I’m probably breaking a confidence but trying to justify to myself that I’m really just bending the line as far as I can. This has come from the insolvency guru that has explained much to me in recent days. This is what I was told – believe it or dismiss it as you wish.
Hopefully word will filter through to those that need told that there are no secrets, there are no discussions that will forever remain private if Rangers do collapse. The players did not take us to this point but the supporters have a right to know which players may be about to hit the first blow in the last nail.
An agreement had been reached in principle for the 75:50:25 wage cuts.
Then two of our highest paid players, both out injured just now, told the Administrators that their wage cut should only be 50% as they couldn’t earn win bonuses. This despite picking up their full wages to date while on the sick and not being able to kick a ball in achieving those wins. The Administrators were angered that they were backtracking on the agreement and were ready to make them redundant and implement the agreement among the other players.
Then a third, highly paid, player met with the Administrators and demanded that a £1m release clause be inserted in his contract in case “he didn’t like the new owners”. Clearly that was impossible for the Administrators to agree to – they would be writing £2m off an asset, all for the sake of saving about £300k in wages from that player between now and the summer.
A fourth player decided that he could only now afford a 50% cut as he had cars to finance and debts to pay.
It was following these discussions that the Administrators decided that an early sale may be preferable to what was beginning to look like the decimation in the value of the squad if four of our biggest assets were made redundant.
Compare and contrast the attitudes of those four players, three of whom are massive Rangers fans, with two other players. It has been well documented that one highly paid player offered to play for nothing. That is correct. What isn’t well known is that another senior player decided that he’s made enough money from football/Rangers and that he would be prepared to walk away with nothing and probably retire.
If in the next 24 hours there is no sign of a quick sale being possible, and there is no change of heart from these senior players, there will probably be massive redundancies.
If Rangers do not complete their matches this season, the hypocrisy of those players will never be forgotten. Indeed their intransigence may have already engendered the sale to a newco and liquidation of the current company.
I know deep down that I have broken a confidence and lost a source but I had no choice.
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All i can say is a very believable post and no doubt correct, pretty sick when you consider the turmoil the fans are going through and im well pissed off, only big JIG can hold his head high, remember, these players have been earning good money, no doubt have investments to rely on outwith football and youd think for the sake of taking a dunt on their dough till the end of the season is an issue they should be ashamed, i for one think they should all resign, reinstate as amateurs, play for free for the club we love at least until the season is over and be viewed forever by the bears as true gers men, then when the new owners take over, repay this gesture with contracts, remember, these guys might one day be old and need a job associated with the gers on match days etc..........cmon players, sort it out
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C'mon how many of us can honestly say we would take massive pay cuts to keep a company alive? Rangers, at end of the day are another business company. The high earners chose to stay for the money and will walk if its not there as any good wworker with alternatives would from any walk of life. Heads rule hearts not the other way around no matter how much WATP
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Any fans who thinks any player plays for their team instead of their wallet is niaive.
That story is too complex to be fictional. No wonder young Wylde couldn't take the pressure with all that going on from his colleagues in the dressing room.
Then again why should layers take the hit because millionaire owners and directors are crooks?
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Not sure its that simple to flit between Pro and Am contracts, but the fatal flaw is that the registration embargo would prevent them from playing in any case!
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A could beleave this post it's not something you could make up . Fair play to big Lee as for the others they made plenty money out of rangers . Tomorrow seams to be d-day well wages would be first out the door . Make Lee captain for rest of season go with youth a just hope for no liquidation ...kenny bluenose
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They would be writing 2million off assets its costing 1 million a month now and there fees a month as well as any interest charges on other debt that will rocket by the end of the season cut your losses now b
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Its not about being naive, if your earning x amount thousands every week surely you'd have squirrelled a few bob away, its about integrity, i for one wouldnt care if all the team left at the end of the season on free's, surely they could go to eufa and have their contracts ripped up if they where forced to stay but for the sake of a few months of playing for the fans for free, ffs, we all have bills to pay but id take the dunt for my employers for 3 months if i loved them enough, show yer true gers men but playing for free (and ed can you confirm ifyou can go amateur, if sure ye can) WATP aye ready {Ed001's Note - as I understand it, they can't leave and then return on an amateur contract, but they can renegotiate their contract and sign as an amateur.}
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Why should the players take a cut that A. may never be overturned and B. could count for nothing in the long run. They are all due what they are due. Don't blame them, blame the management.
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Agree with above. The players signed a contract in good faith. The admin should make the cuts. Be ruthless. They are copping out in my opinion. They are being paid to save the club not pass the buck.
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How about the players show some bloody loyalty to the club that has been paying them very highly, the biggest majority of Rangers fans can only dream of earning the kind of money and living the lifestyle that these players live, how about they cut back on their lavish lifestyle for a few months to ensure the survival of the club, we are not a normal business, we are a an institution with 140 years of history which is dying before our very eyes, if this rumour is true then the players involved should be ashamed of themselves, Rob.
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The players should not have to take cuts full stop. The owner and previous regime are to blame for handing out these contracts. This talk of immediate redundancies and cost cutting is a load of tosh, what is the sense in getting rid of all our main player assets? There is nothing then for a new owner to purchase? Stadium and Murray Park is useless on their own. Mark my words we will be liquidated and to be honest the way our club has been run financially makes us deserve to be liquidated.
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The problem is everyone just wants someone to blame. Now it's the players time to cop it. Truth is, we're all culpable. The players lifestyles are none of our concerns. They earn a RELATIVE wage. Loyalty to the club? You say it like Rangers are paying these guys way more than anyone else would. The truth is, most, not all, but most, will match or better their wage elsewhere. They were hired, yes HIRED, by the club and should look after themselves. What happens when they become expendable to the club? They get sold or worse, freed. Take Steven Davis. Who's to say he doesn't want to leave Scotland, he's settled, kids in school etc, so where's the loyalty when he gets punted in 2/3 months and has to uproot everyone? A footballers career is short and they need to look after themselves. Yes they earn more than the average working male, but that's neither here nor there. They have contracts and should be paid accordingly. This WATP crap and RTID is only making it worse. We needed to take action months, maybe years ago. Hugh Adams predicted this 10 years ago and we did nothing.
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A top player in debt!!!
30 odd grand a week! DEBT?!
Obviously another Colin Hendry!
Deserves all he gets! Rangers players get free Audi's ffs!
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Not one reply questions this load of tripe! yet when you were warned about whyte you all shouted "timmy noise up" this is fiction.
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More lies from whyte and his lap dog administrators
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The players are not to blame for this. The fact that they were prepared to discuss in the first place says a lot for them.
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How about SDM covers the players wages until the end of the season since most of the blame lies with him.
We then keep our assets, the club won't be out of pocket between now and end of season. And the new buyer has those assets when he takes over.
Come on Murray, dip you hand into you pocket ffs
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I'm a Celtic (coming in peace as they say) fan but fair play if you think it's none of my business but I wouldnt lay any blame at the door of your players. IMO you've a team with great togetherness and spirit that has given 100% in the last few years in winning titles It has shown remarkable loyalty and flexiblity durng the current problems - by modern standards at least. I think the adminitrators have been taking the proverbial from day one and it's only right that in return for these cuts the players get to look after there own futures after the summer. It's worth noting that the highest paid people at Ibrox are not the players but are in fact Duff and Phelps. I'd also note the story STV are carrying that it was D & P's refusal to meet agents on Wednesday that scuppered the deal. I think this lot are dubious at best and whats been done to Rangers is inevitably a crime.
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Yep agreed the players did sign contracts and yes they expect the club to honour those contracts until they leave the club or that contract runs out BUT my point is that the current situation is neither of those instances, we are facing oblivion and as i see it the fans are doing their bit by turning up on mass buying tickets, merchandise, pledging money to saveRangers.com, many of whom probably cannot afford to give the club money, none of this is the fans fault yet we are doing our bit so why not the players, surely a few months of wage cuts isnt too much to ask, and lets face it they haven't exactly been playing like Barcelona, and lets not forget out of all competitions and dropping a 15 point lead in the SPL most of which happened before all this s**t kicked off, so maybe, just maybe they owe the club and the fans.
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The administrators should have got rid of the top 10 earners straight away - the resale value is a mute point if the club fails. The administrators have failed to perform their task, why ? I think they are softening up the fans for liquidation, the plan all along.
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Duff and Duffer should never have played player against player, fan against player, with players being hounded based on idle gossip from the less intelligent. They should have gone in and cut costs, what they are supposed to do. If they job is too big or they don't have the strength to do this, they should resign and let someone who knows what they are doing take over.
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Good point celtic peace out
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Sounds more like a bed time story
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Well, lafferty has took a 75% cut and i‘m now reading that naismith and whittaker has also to a 75% cut, so thats the injured ones on board, so who do you think the others that are stalling? (LOYAL BEAR)
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Please remember these players know they will not be at Rangers next year, they will either be sold by the administrator under a CVA, or be sold by a new owner because the days of 15-25k per week at Rangers are over for some time. A new owner is not going to run RFC with the same 1 million per month loss due to high wages.
The new owner will have paid for them so its not pure profit selling them, it will just recover some of the cost.
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08 Mar 2012 17:23:38
RFC supporter club chairman are having a meeting today to ask Duff and Phelps to void the season ticket books for the remainder of the season. They all agree that we should pay until the end of the season to keep us afloat.
Really good call I think! Lets get paying and do our bit!
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Lots of people who have season tickets saved hard for them and dont have spare cash to pay twice...whats wrong with these people with their mad ideas.
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I've already 'done my bit' by buying me and my two boys season books, which is 1100 quid, 2 kits each, which is another 300 quid - why should I pay anymore? This is becoming a joke. I can understand people volunteering this, and I respect those who can afford it - sadly I can't. So now I just won't be at the games. How is that a fair way to treat a loyal supporter?
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I've payed my dues, and am not willing to pay money at the gate for my seat I've already paid for because of mis management. These guys still leave in their flash cars to go home to their big houses. I have been a season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember and bought the strips, the merchandise to support the club. They cannot look to the supporters for the money and as it stands it is a black hole, where good Money after bad is going. Maybe it's time to make a stand and I think a protest should be made by staying away from games until the end of the season. Enough is Enough!
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Im srry i cant afford to pay more to every game paid 400 pounds to go to 18 games not to go to 13 then decide its void ill wait till nxt season may get to 1 more this season
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I will be honest mate i am not a season ticket holder and i would not mind at all putting in money if it was set up properly and i knew the money would go to something that will help the club survive, however i could see why people might not really want to spend more money on top of the season ticket they have already purchased, as it was not their fault that all this has happened, i am not totally disagreeing with you but i think alot of current season ticket holders may not be too happy about this, but then again if thats what it takes to save the club then its a fair shout, but as i say i am not a season ticket holder so i would not hold it against any one with a season ticket if they did not want to pay the extra money. Not starting an argument just saying.
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The ones with no cash can watch it on the telly. We need the paying supporters to keep us afloat!! I think it is a great idea!
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Personally, if id payed for a season ticket and was asked to pay at the gate or be refused entry. i would walk round the corner to govan police station and report rangers for fraud. taking money under false pretences is a crime !
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Just watch the games on the telly pal because we need the current paying supporters!
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Yes thats alright if your 1 of the camel coat brigade but theres a recession going on and a lot of supporters if not out of a job are struggling to make ends meet where are all the flush supporters who have a few bob to spare now eg. multi millionaires from the east end of glasgow
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Been a season ticket holder for 5 years since i was too big to double up lol and i asked the ticket office on saturday if i handed my book back to be sold could i rebuy the seat and was told they didnt know, its a great idea but only on a voluntary basis, the previous poster is spot on when he detailed how much he has spent on books and merchandise, so a system needs to be set up for anybody wishing to be considered for handing back and rebuying their own seats, its not about anything other than feeling as though iam doing my bit, theres only so many pies i can buy and merchandise i can use, only option for the average punter seeing as we have no direction from figureheads, WATP aye ready
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I have paid for my seat for the year as well as buying kits for the tribe. I won't be paying again to sit in a seat I have already paid for. The Rangers supporters trust chairman or whoever it is has NO right in telling D and P I will pay for my seat again.
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Sorry don't agree. If you have paid for a season ticket, It means season. And hard times for all. So why should the people that put money upfront suffer. They have already put into the money into the club. And I they can not afford to pay again, is it just tuff. This is total bulls**t
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I am a s/t holder i dont think its right to deprive the kids s/t. as for adults although already paid for if they are acompian a child then they should not be charged either. as for the rest of us if we want to help club survive we have to make sacrafices even if opertunity to buy ticket first at reduced rate, i for one would be happy to give my ticket up for someone else to buy but would buy it myself first if i had the money, we must stick together and although hurting do our upmost to help
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My ticket was paid for by September as most other will also, I would rather not pay twice however if we can bring in another million x five home games by us all paying again then I am sorry we NEED to do it, this loyalty one would hope be repaid in the future by maybe some games being added, I know we all have different finances but we need to stand up and pay, cause White, duffer and phelps et all ain't going to!
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Pay again. why ? I can not afford this . Any why should i
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Im a season ticket holder on a low income,i save up by not going holidays each year,why should i have to pay to watch the remainding matches? ive already paid to watch them,i just cant afford to pay anymore money and i reckon theres alot in the same position as im in,rather than filling the stadium i think this will just make it more empty
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Let me ask you this fellow bears will you guys that have bought season tickets and cant afford to pay again volunteer to give your ticket up to someone who is willing to pay to sit in your seat yes you will miss sitting in your seat for roughly 5 games before the season ends but the alternative could be never sitting in your seat again if you cant help out financially which i understand some people cant then help out by a good will gesture lets be honest the person who pays for your seat aint doing it so he can watch good entertaining football hes buying it to help keep our club afloat
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I have followed Rangers for 32 years and i have 3 season tickets for the Copeland front. I have pledged money to saverangers.com and i would gladly give up my season tickets and pay at the gates for our great team if it means keeping them going long enough for a buyer to be found. I honestly fear for the clubs future and it is time now that all Rangers supporters where possible start doing something to save our club before we do disappear. Yes there are some supporters who wont be able to give up their season and we cant make them because we do need their support in other ways. I just dont understand why nothing is being arranged by our supporters. I do think that the players who are making hugh demands from the administrators when their fellow players have accepted the offer are putting the team at risk, please take a reduction in wages till the end of the season. Its said some are Rangers supporters at heart, THEN SHOW IT. HELP SAVE OUR TEAM NOW.
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Having screwed over the rest of Scottish football for years, may as well and your own fans to the list.
Not that this would help in the short term as the Celtic game on March 25 is still two more weeks with no income, ans in the long term you turn ordinary fans into creditors.
And you wonder why Celtic refused to pay up for their tickets weeks in advance?"
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I would be extremely disappointed if Rangers asked me to do this - I have shown unquestionable loyalty to Rangers but I wouldnt be paying twice infact id be pursuing the cost of my season book if it wasnt reinstated. Loyalty works 2 ways. We are loyal and We should expect it back.
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I think all the genuine people on here would welcome to pay again to keep club alive i got a sneaky feeling that some of the negative comments on here are from shall i say not rangers fans
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Options pay for another ticket and possibly club survives, Dont pay and keep grumbling you cant afford it and never buy a season ticket again as club folded for ever. What you prefer. You either love club and do what you can or sit and grumble and see them die
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Cant be done!
It would not be illegal!
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Davis 28k a week, whittaker 25k a week, mcgregor is a high earner! let them pay for our seats!!!!!!!!
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Just emailed RST and and he confirmed this is absolutly sh1te - it hasnt even been thought of and wont be happening.
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Follow the yellow brick road
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What a joke! People who aren't behind this aren't Rangers fans? A disgraceful statement.
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It would not be illegal is a double negative.
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That was very nice of him to offer my ticket back, I am on a 4 day week and have two sons. I struggled to pay for my session ticket, even took out credit union loan, Tell him to come and tell my Kids they cant go to the Game or Even better still tell Him to come and tell my wife to hand over the message money because Rangers want paid again
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I will gaurentee you that if this happens the stadium would be less than half full.
I am a season ticket holder and have been for years. But if this happened that would be the end of it for me i'm afraid. It is not just Rangers who are going through hard times most of the general public are. I work full time but have been on shorter working weeks for the last couple of months so an extra £25 per game is just not doable for me I am struggling to go to the games just now as it is.
There are a few people on here saying just watch it on the telly, I would pay it again. I bet most of these guys have never been inside Ibrox in thier lives.
What good is making folk pay again if only a quarter of season ticket holders go back. You are then losing money from food courts, programmes and the shop.
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Consumers would be protected by law.
Duff and Co could not implement this void of season tickets if football continued!
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What about when the old firm comes round if rangers last till then will people pay £42 to watch tht after buying season tickets especially for these games
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That was nice of them
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I suggested on here 2 weeks ago that season tickets for the Old Firm game be voided. I think it should be done for this game, as we'd still manage a sell out for that game.
I think that should be the compromise. The administrators need to make decision soon.
Alternatively, if season tickets are voided for the rest of the home games, the ticket prices need to be heavily discounted for fans who've already paid for season ticket. Say £12 a ticket.
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Cant be done first of all who gave supporters club chairman the authority to speak on behalf of the rest of he season ticket holders secondly it wouldnt help anyone apart from craig whyte (white) whatever name he using just now ..... and the administrators not help save our great and beloved club
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Wonder who would get their hands on this new revenue stream. Oh I know, the owner Craig Whyte!!!
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We just bought four quarter price season tickets last Monday to do our bit at a cost of £400.This would be a kick in the chuckles if it were to pass. I don't mind digging deep and helping out, but this is taking the piss. How about the queen dipping into her purse to help us out.
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Can be done. Motherwell did it.
Correct Ed ?
Gav {Ed001's Note - it certainly can be done.}
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Whilst I would support this idea as a season ticket holder (3 in the copland front), I fully understand the feelings of those who can't afford to pay again and have paid for their season tickets. (I used to save up for my seasoon ticket and would have been devastated to lose the right to go at the time) This should be entirely voluntary and perhaps we should consider collection tins at the game as an additional alternative. It's not the time to ailenate the fans who have already paid.
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I don't see how that's fair on me I am at uni and only make £60 from a part time job and I spent £500 on my season ticket this season
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Do not be so stupid we already paid once and look at the state of the team now
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Good to see so many "LOYAL" season ticket holders on here!
Option 1 : Dig a little deeper and SUPPORT your team
Option 2 : Watch the Club die and then sit back and say "why didnt anyone do anything to save us?"
I cant really afford to pay again ... but if it keeps Rangers alive .. I will !
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08 Mar 2012 17:12:14
According to reports, ticketus will be in pole position to get the 3.6 million as it is their money.
They are claiming Rangers have no way to pay any the ticket money back and with the proof of funding coming from Ticketus they will receive it.
Ticketus are arguing, "Why should Rangers get it as it is money they got from us and are looking to clear the remaining balance through a CVA. They claim it is morally unjust and provided the paperwork to prove they(ticketus) deposited this money. C and B also confirmed this to be true.
Looks like we will not be getting that!
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That loan should be in Craig Whytes name and NOT RFC because he did not own RFC when the loan was taken, therefore should not be the clubs debt but Whytes.
That means I could go to a loan company and say ''oh, I'm going to buy HMV tomorrow.... can I have some money to do it?''
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We sold ticketus season tickets, its not a repayable loan, if they are looking for that money back its because theyve been told by their lawyers rangers will get out of the agreement
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Would sombody in the know please clarify something for me. If Craig Whyte carried out the purchase of Rangers, by borrowing money guaranteed against a company he did not at the time of the borrowing being agreed, is this against the law? and if it is, do Ticketus have a legal claim against Rangers as they would have known at the time of their agreement with Whyte that he did not own them. ?????
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If the ticketus deal is in Whyte's name and not Rangers' then the admin team have no claim on the money, as by their own claim if the debt is not in Rangers name, then the left over money is not Rangers.
If the deal is in Rangers' name then they have a right to question why the funds are where they are, but there are a lot of other people wanting their slice of the cash
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If and it's a big if Craig whyte is telling the truth and got the money from ticketus secured on his own assets, then there claim should be against Craig whyte or the companies he secured the asses against. And not against the club. However I think cw will get the assets if we get liquidated. Not a bad deal 26 million for ibrox, murray park and the Albion car park.
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Morally unjust !! What a f#kin' joke.
I'll tell you what's really morally unjust : Ticketus putting £24m into Whyte's bank account to deliberately mislead everyone into believing he had funds to buy the club, so that Ticketus could do their cozy pre agreed deal with Whyte the day he'd control of the club.
Ticketus can't have it both ways. If they do manage to get their grubby mits on the £3.6m, then the sale of the 3 years season tickets must be null & void !
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Ticketus can go fish for their money
we don't give a donkey's fart about them
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08 Mar 2012 17:06:10
STV news just reported that the 'SFA have found Rangers of breaching 4 rules under article 10.
They have also found CW to be unfit to run a football club.
Also Duff and Phelps are ignoring player agents as they now want liquidation.
Liquidation would see Duff and Phelps at Rangers for at least 3 more months making around 1,395,000 pounds in revenue for their company, they are ask top of the food chain for payment.
There is an emergency meeting now to discuss RFC penalties. Lot of the chairman want rangers docked an immediate 30 points which would see them earning only 200,000 from the SFA if they do survive until the end of the season.
Also the SFA are against any plans for rangers to use Hampden instead they are suggesting a ground share with Partick thistle. To me that makes more sense.
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Lets cut through the bull I as a season ticket holder beleive that the S.F.A have brought the game into disrepute by not doing a fit & proper person's investigation into cw before he took over the club & I will hold them 2 account if we get any sanctions along with every other season ticket holder
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SFA can't dock points and make no payments for final league positions. That's the SPL jurisdiction.
So stop talking s**te. Your post was fine up to the point you put that lot of crap in it!
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You will hold them 2 account and what exactly r u going to do?
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SFA and SPL are working together on this as they see it as a footballing disaster.
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He didn't say dock points and make no payments. He said the dock points would lead to payments of. Ie, not a lot compared to what they should be getting. Learn to read, then reply.
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Duff & Phelps purchased Merchant Corporate recovery Oct 11/Nov11 director Craig Whyte. Discuss
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Personally I think Rangers should tell the SFA and SPL to go f*** themselves, relocate to England(North of) and enter the lower English leagues as a newco. Then sit back and watch Scottish football die off. Enough of this witchhunt!
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It wasn't that long ago Celtic were allowed to use Hampden for a season
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CW only put to an end what SDM had been doing for several years. The last year was just the final rip off nail in the coffin. Why, for all his words doeas CW not show the money he has taken from PAYE etc? He is a typical asset stripper and fed off an already dying beast
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Thing is can new co join english leagues who has too approve this! I really wasnt wantin liquadation but now if it means we cud join the english leagues i want the the spl n sfa can go f**k themselfs, absult waste oh skin! Buy the time celtic get knocked out oh champ league there have to play 3 quilfiers nxt year n fail, spl will end up nae gettin a slot in europe cuz its that p*sh!!
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Let's stop tryin to blame every1 else, we all know this is down to David Murray and Craig whyte!
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Only way a newco can APPLY, and remember APPLY is the word here, is to be BASED in England. So it wouldn't be Glasgow Rangers. Even if they bought out a club with an existing membership, the club would still have to relocate. So with Rangers 140 year history gone, and them no longer based in Scotland, what is it exactly about this newco that would make it Rangers? Everyone needs to wake up on this.
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Aye the SPL let Celtic use hampden when they were renovating the stadium and charged them 900k for a season because they had them over a barrel and that was in 1995. How much would that fee be nowadays what with inflation and such.
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Surely we would just lease ibrox ? It can't be demolished. It's listed. Whoever owned it I am sure would be happy with newco s money
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Its only the facade that is listed. The rest is breeze block, tin and David Murray's steel. Google, Highbury and see what can be done with a listed building
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Nonsense
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08 Mar 2012 16:50:50
SFA charge Rangers bringing game into distribute also Craig Whyte deemed not fit and proper person to run football club!
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Hmmm, did the SFA think of that all by themselves, gold star! (yes, i'm being sarky lol)
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Well theres a shock
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He is not. Why is that
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That's a bit rich when the sfa are the ones who should've checked that in the first place. they have no right to fine rangers for that when it stemmed from their incompetance.
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Nothing to do with SFA, should be SPL
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Shocked, surely they must be wrong, he has been wonderful for my beloved team, NOT. SFA have their fingers on the pulse yet again.
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After deep investigation the sfa r warning us all to stay clear of craig whyte as he is a dodgy character. They are a quick lot.
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Are they not under due dilegence to actually do this BEFORE he took control of the club or shouls i say that is what they should have done strikes me as a bit of AFTER THE HORSE HAS BOLTED BUT WE WILL LOOK GOOD
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And just how many great minds did it take to figure this earth shattering new out
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SFAs fault David 'I'll only sell to someone with the club's best interests at heart' murray sold to Whyte? Aye ok.
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There is more to follow aboutthree weeks worth of headlines which the lawyers have spiked until further notice
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I like Craig Whyte. He will be good for Rangers just you watch.
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08 Mar 2012 16:43:40
craig whyte found to be not fit and proper to run the club rangers also to be fined. stv
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First thing SFA have got right in years
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No sh1t sherlock
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08 Mar 2012 16:42:14
Craig Whyte found by SFA not to be a fit and proper person - please tell us something that we don't know!
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This should have been done before he got his pound out
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08 Mar 2012 15:56:01
When David Murray was selling he
had two offers to choose from (even
when the big tax case was still to be
heard), & he picked Whyte's over Paul
Murray's. Surely it shouldnt take PM
long to amend his original offer and
have it with the administrators to
look over within the next 24 hrs
even with the result of the tax case
still to be announced. We can forget
anyone else stepping into the breach
as expressing an interest is one
thing showing your cash is another.
I'm afraid to say it but Paul Murray &
the Blue Knights are our only hope or
its Good night !
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As PM himself said at the time why would CW buy the club with the big tax case hanging there. The situation hasn't changed so the real question is: why would PM buy the club now?
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PM's orginal offer was for SDM to idemnify them for the tax case and discount what was needing to be paid to Lloyds. SDM didn't go with it because he said at the time the Blue Knights offer undervalue RFC. These guys need to have significant levels of cash this time and the numbers being bounced around just don't seem realistic.
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Good night a think
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Not quite as simple as dusting off his old offer I'm afraid - look what Mr W has done to the club. He's run it into the ground, hoping to make a few quid off a pre-pack.
Rangers today and Rangers 9 months ago are two very different propositions.
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When PM made his original offer CW had not put the final nail in the coffin. Now it is a different ball game and PM is a business man. Why pay 20 million when you can get it for a lot less after liquidation? SDM is the man who should be giving long term answers. CW should be explaining what he done with the club in his first year
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08 Mar 2012 15:53:06
Been reported Craig Whyte is fuming with the way he has been treated as he was the only guy who stepped in to take rangers forward. He is taking everything he can from the club, he WILL make sure Ibrox is his and the Newco will pay what he says to hire the stadium. If they do not like it he will hire it to event companies throughout the year to keep money coming in to pay ticketus.
A deal has already been agreed with 2 London event companies as he is planning on Rangers being in the 3rd division next year. He only foresees 10,000 season tickets to be sold at max.
He is also looking at ways for the scottish government to use it for the commonwealth games, which he will see as a major money spinner.
source: The man himself
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Dead man walking.seems to be the general consensus.
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Piss piss and yes u guessed it more pish.
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Think about what you are posting before you try and make us believe it will you. How many events a year will you need to pay back the ticketus money and do you think they will get permission from Glasgow Council when you have so many other venues.
The man only has himself to blame he has done nothing for Rangers FC or the supporters so what other way should he be treated!!
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Its already going to be used for the commonwealth games 7s rugby is to be played there.
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There is nothing to 'pay back' to Ticketus. Ticketus purchased a portion of season tickets for the next three years at discounted price. Their business model is to re-sell these at a profit, thus making money for their investors.
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Hasn't he got a cheek! How does he think the fans he has wilfully deceived over the last 8 months feel. The Whyte takeover brought doubts and concerns with it from the start but at least there was some scope for optimism. The rediculous and embarassing shenanigans during the first transfer window was a real indication that everything was not as the fans had hoped and from there on in it has been one lie and deceit after another. Every day as more bad news comes to the fore and what we are witnessing becomes more and more like a public post mortem of our once great club 2 trains of thouhgt persist; when will Craig Whyte acknowledge the extent of his betrayal and get his just deserts. No one man should be able to inflict such misery on so many loyal fans, least of all for the princely sum of £1. Is there a legal instrumemt to bring this man to account given that he has now been declared "not a fit and proper person". Secondly concerning the future, if Rangers 1872 ceases to be will fans migrate to some new entity en masse? I for one would certainly continue to watch football but the notion that any newly founded team could command the loyalty or commitment or generate the heart felt emmotions reserved for my boyhood team is a nonsense. If Rangers are gone they are gone, memories and achievements intact. The Rangers I supported and all they stood for and represented, before a few inscrupulous men destroyed Bill Struth's legacy, cannot be replaced or surplanted. They will live on in the memory and the history books but a laterday immitation could never take their place. How do others feel because if Rangers die and the fans don't migrate to a new club or transfer alegiance, Scottish Football could lose nearly three quarter of a million clicks at the turnstiles a season or more than £10 million in revenue. I guess that would hurt and doesn't bode to well for the future of Scottish football in general?
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As Karen Dunbar used to say " I smell s***e ".
Hampden and Parkhead are the only 2 stadiums to be used for the Commonwealth Games.
Parkhead is right opposite the Athletes village and the other venues are all in the East End of Glasgow.
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Good luck to craigy he is the only guy who knows what is what
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08 Mar 2012 15:42:47
The Scottish Football Association are expected to make a statement on Lord Nimmo Smith's investigation into Rangers on Thursday.
An independent inquiry was set up by the governing body in mid-February to look into various possible breaches of their Articles of Association.
That investigation is now complete and STV understands the Scottish FA board are currently considering the findings of the report and deliberating over which, if any, course of action to take.
At the beginning of the inquiry, the Scottish FA stated they had been "restricted by the club's solicitors' in trying to determine whether owner Craig Whyte was a fit and proper person.
Chief executive Stewart Regan said at the time: “Since we have been unable to receive any detailed information requested in relation to Article 10, we feel we have no option but to appoint an independent committee to investigate a number of concerns we have raised."
STV
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It should be remembered that Lord Nimmo Smith has been acting in the capacity of legal advisor to SFA in an investigative consultant role, limited to the investigation terms of reference.
He has not been acting as a high court judge with the full force of the high court behind him. His report and findings only assist the SFA in making a decision regarding the take over and Craig Whyte's suitability. What actions they can practically take remains to be seen.
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Whats the SFA doing regarding SDM involvement in the selling of the club to CW and what about SDM running of Glasgow Rangers FC was he a fit and able person to be running a football Club!
I think not so how does he get away without answering to the SFA. Get Him
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Maybe we should do a AFC Wimbledon and start from scratch
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08 Mar 2012 15:12:21
from stv
Rangers in court battle with Craig Whyte's lawyers over £3.6m to keep club afloat
The insolvency firm confirmed that a quick sale of the club will 'most likely' result in it being sold to a new company with old one liquidated.
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This will not be quick.
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Rangers crisis: Five in court battle over share of £3.6m
A breakdown of the parties involved in the legal battle to secure the cash seized by lawyers for the Ibrox club's administrators.
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By Mike Farrell
08 March 2012 16:04 GMT
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Rangers: The club's administrators are one of five looking to secure the £3.6m. Pic: © SNS Group
Five parties have laid claim to a disputed £3.6m that could be "important" to the future of crisis-hit Rangers.
Owner Craig Whyte has direct interests in at least two of the companies involved and previous dealings with two others.
The only other party in the legal battle is HM Revenue and Customs.
Here is a breakdown of the players involved in the latest court case involving the Ibrox club since administrators were appointed.
Collyer Bristow
The London lawyers represented Mr Whyte in his May 2011 takeover of Rangers. Corporate recovery partner Gary Withey brokered the deal, before this week he stood down from his post citing "family and personal reasons".
Last week, administrators Duff and Phelps confirmed their lawyers Taylor Wessing had taken emergency court action to seize £3.6m from an account held by Collyer Bristow. The administrators QC revealed in court that they expected the account to hold something closer to £9.5m, meaning that the whereabouts of £5.9m is currently unknown.
The exact source of the £3.6m has not been made clear in court yet, although in a statement Duff and Phelps said "funds do not appear to have been invested in the business in the manner in which it was envisaged at the time of the transaction [takeover]." As part of the purchase agreement, Mr Whyte pledged to put £5m into the playing squad and £1.7m into kitchen and other improvements at Ibrox.
This money was frozen for the hearing at the High Court in London on Thursday, which has resulted in a four-day case to decide on the destination of the cash on March 30.
Collyer Bristow has confirmed it will continue to deal with Duff and Phelps, while the administrators said that they expected the case to result in the firm disclosing the "details of the payments of funds out of their account on behalf of the club", which it has not done so far.
Merchant Turnaround
The company states on its website it "will seek to offer short term secured loans to selected private businesses that are experiencing cash flow problems." Turnaround has submitted a claim for £1m of the disputed cash. Rangers owner Mr Whyte is also currently the secretary of the firm and a former director of it.
Liberty Capital Limited, which is wholly owned by Mr Whyte and registered in the British Virgin Islands, owns a 40% in Merchant Turnaround. Phil Betts, who was part of Mr Whyte’s takeover party and recently stepped down as a director of Rangers, is currently a director of Turnaround.
The London-based company is also part owned by the Merchant House Group Plc, which has a 35% share in the business. The Merchant House Group owns or has shares in several companies, including a very small stake in Tixway UK Ltd, which is registered to Mr Whyte’s Castle Grant in Morayshire. Mr Whyte's Liberty Capital owns 17% of the Merchant House Group, which appears to be a kind of umbrella company.
HM Revenue and Customs
The tax authority is claiming it is entitled to £2.8m of the disputed money. At the High Court on Thursday none of the parties involved made clear exactly what their reasons are behind staking a claim, but Rangers’ debt to HMRC since the takeover has come to light recently.
Apart from the historic 'big' tax case between Rangers and the authority, there is the multi-million pound tax bill dating back to May 5, 2011, when Mr Whyte bought his 85% stake in the club.
Administrators Duff and Phelps initially said that it estimated the club had been forced to appoint them over a tax liability of around £9m dating back to last May. Initially, Mr Whyte tried to argue that part of this was the £4.4m ring-fenced to settle the ‘wee’ tax case, which is a dispute with HMRC over the use of a discounted options scheme by the club.
However, it was later revealed the overall tax owed to HMRC could now be closer to £15m as it includes unpaid VAT, national insurance and PAYE since last May, as well as the money for the 'wee' tax case. The £4.1m previously frozen by the tax authority to settle the 'wee' case is believed to have been used by Mr Whyte to facilitate his deal to sell future season ticket sales to Ticketus for £24m.
The basis for HMRC’s claim for part of the disputed funds could come from the original amount Rangers owe under the 'wee' case. The initial tax bill with interest was around £2.8m, the amount is believed to have risen to over £4m when penalties over failure to pay have been added.
Currently, Rangers are awaiting the result of the 'big' tax case over the clubs use of Employee Benefits Trust to pay players between 2001 and 2011. The club is facing a potential bill of £49m in relation to the First Tier Tax Tribunal decision, although shortly after administrators were called in Mr Whyte claimed that the total Rangers could be asked to pay may be closer to £75m.
Jerome Group Pension Fund
Several companies linked to Rangers owner Mr Whyte have cropped up in coverage of the club’s financial difficulties, but the High Court hearing on Thursday saw the introduction of a new one – Jerome Group Pension Fund.
It is claiming to be owed £2.95m of the money in dispute and Mr Whyte also has an interest in it. Jerome’s claim for money is not believed to be in relation to providing pensions at Rangers, but is instead after it invested in the club.
The current status of Jerome is unclear, but its parent company is Worthington Group Plc. According to documents available on Companies House, Jerome Group Plc, a Manchester wool firm was dissolved in 2008. It was 100% owned by Worthington Group.
It appears that the pension scheme was part of the desolved company and is still owned by Worthington. Last April, the Worthington Group announced on the stock exchange that the scheme’s deficit stands at £2.945m.
The role of Worthington brings Mr Whyte into the picture, as his Liberty Capital Limited has an 18% stake in it. His associated, Wulstan Earley, owns 53% of Jerome’s parent company through Regenesis Holdings, which last December faced being struck off.
Ticketus
In recent months the London firm has emerged as one of the most significant parties involved in the crisis at Rangers. It has put a claim in for the seized £3.6m but on Thursday it did not quantify how much it is looking to receive.
Mr Whyte entered into a deal with Ticketus to sell a large chunk of four years worth of season tickets for around £24.4m. This effectively funded the businessman’s takeover as he paid Sir David Murray £1 for the club and wiped its £18m debt to Lloyds Banking Group using the season ticket money.
It had initially been thought that the Ticketus deal was in the form of a loan, secured against the assets of the club meaning that it would be a secured creditor and one of the first in line when it came to an insolvency event.
However, Ticketus, which is owned by London firm Octopus Investments, confirmed it did not loan Mr Whyte the money, but bought around 100,000 season ticket sales until 2015. Ticketus has claimed the tickets will still be sold by the club as has been the case previously, while the firm has also stated it will not set the prices of the tickets.
Duff and Phelps
The administrators appointed on February 14 are believed to be pursuing the full £3.6m. Joint administrator David Whitehouse said on Thursday that the money could be "important" in helping to ensure Rangers exit administration.
At their first press conference after being called in, Duff and Phelps confirmed it had been involved with Mr Whyte in his takeover of the club.
Joint administrator Paul Clark said the company was previously "asked to provide consultancy advice to Rangers post the takeover of the club last year" but had not been involved with Mr Whyte at any point before.
He added: "To be absolutely clear, we act as officers of the court and we are accountable to the court. We have a statutory duty to act in the best interests of creditors and stakeholders and that is what we will do.
"This administration will be carried out under the most rigorous public scrutiny and will be conducted to the highest professional standards."
Duff and Phelps is a financial services firm based in New York. It took over English company MCR in October 2011, effectively becoming the company’s UK arm. David Grier of MCR/Duff and Phelps was one of the takeover party who took in Rangers’ 4-0 win at home over Hearts in May last year, the first game of Mr Whyte’s reign at the club.
Mr Grier was also part of the Duff and Phelps team that was called into Ibrox more than three weeks ago after the Court of Session ruled they would run the club as opposed to HMRC’s court-appointed administrator.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Whytes lied again
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08 Mar 2012 13:08:35
Liquidation is happening on Friday. Paul Murray cannot produce the monies what is initially needed i.e. 50 million.
He will in turn take over with the blue knights after the liquidation period. The club are looking at leasing Hampden for the home games due to Ticketus owning the seats at Ibrox for 4 years.
Craig Whyte will be looking at gaining control of Ibrox as he is the main creditor and leasing it to event companies for concerts etc to allow him to full fill payment to ticketus.
Disapointing now as we will be seen as a company who cannot pay debts, lots of difficult times ahead as we have no chance of financing through banks or even gaining credit lines through creditors as we will be seen as a bad debt.
The only way forward now is paying upfront for everything for the next 5-7 years including player.
Looking grim!
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Not quite how it works pal, but i appreciate the effort. if rangers are liquidated they would need to start as a new company. they would have no 'bad credit' technically speaking as they would be a new company with no credit history. banks wouldn't be able to look at them and say 'sorry, rangers fc went tits up, you might as well'. it would all come down to how the books would be balanced, and also who the owner is
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Source?
As usual..no source. Unless you give somethign concrete then this is clearly a lot of rubbish.
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CRAP!
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Bull, administrators just stated on fly sports that if the players don't take a wage cut then redundancies will be made but the club will continue.
They also stated there were "a number" of interested parties to buy the club right now.
The players will take a deal, the club will be sold within the next 7 days, wait and see.
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Well to be honest you rap what you sow, lots of other fans have sympathy for true rangers fans (non bigoted) but none for the club , why should we , lets hope you survive but on an honest trustworthy position
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One of the few sensible posts on this board. But is it true?
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Holding company for whytes liberty is shopping centres uk plc . . . anyone else like to hazard a guess?
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Please no...can you not wait until the 26th March 2012....we will happy move the SPL trophy to its new home free of charge.....
So you want to make Hampden your new home......where will your new permanent home be....when will it be built...you can't use hampden for ever....its supposed to be the Home of the SFA.....Not Hectors new house.
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Utter garbage!!!
Know what is closer to the truth???
Celt*c are going bust due to them buying up all the jelly and ice cream and the ice cream all melted.
Until you have a source and a truthful story stop posting your scaremongering waffle on here stoat-the-baw!!
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Its amazing how people only ask for sources when what they read doesnt suit them!
I have read things here ridiculous to which fellow bears say..heres hoping....then something bad comes up and we say....crap gees a source.........
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Another celtic fan hoping for the worst coming on here spouting nonsense. spl without rangers = non event!
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This sounds an easy way out mate.
We have not played by the rules and now we are starting to suffer for it. There is a lot worse yet to come. We have still not had any punishment yet (bar the 10 points). We should take our punishment when it comes along and move on, although I cant see this happening until 10-in-a-row is completed by our buddies across the way !
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If only dreams came true eh. Ah big white horse would come galloping down govan road, Big Billy would jump off his horse and throw a big bag of gold into the admins office, the whole sorry mess would be cleared up, Celtic will lose every game, lose 10 points for fielding an unregistered player, Rangers would do 4 in a row, and the jelly would be Blue.
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Well, it makes me laugh to think you still at this late stage believe that a 'saviour' will drop in miracously and deposit £90million into a big black hole. Not happening. To the sane supporters who know and appreciate the game of football, your team bought success and titles and your history is tainted because fans everywhere will remind you of the facts. Cold hard facts....no money, no stadium, no history, no saviour
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What planet are you on
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Gotta laugh
What is your source?
What is your source?
remind me again
What is this web-site called?
Oh Yeah
ww.rangersrumours.co.uk/rangers-rumours
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Too all the septic fans see and keep some of your jelly and ice cream for the Queens jubilee.
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Funny it was only a few months ago it was the establishment that was being anti kafflik and anti celtic that gave Rangers their titles, How exactly does this work?
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I'm sure Paul Murray does not have proof of funds. None of his blueys has deposited funds in a single account. If they exist, seems like a ruse to flush out intesested parties.
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Liquidation will happen. Paul Murray is more part of the problem than part of the cure, after all as a ex director he should surely have known the unsavory dealing that were being conducted behind closed doors
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As a previous poster wrote - one of CW's companies is Shopping Centres UK .... The only thing Red White & Blue in Broomloan Road will be a Giant Tesco store...
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To the 'Gotta Laugh' poster, this is a rumours site, but generally rumours have a credible source. It's not www.rangerstotalbulls**tstories.com
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Any new investers will invest in the newco the old rfc is too much in debt its far too late fellow bears the newco is the way forward sad to say
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"Well, it makes me laugh to think you still at this late stage believe that a 'saviour' will drop in miracously and deposit £90million into a big black hole. Not happening. To the sane supporters who know and appreciate the game of football, your team bought success and titles and your history is tainted because fans everywhere will remind you of the facts. Cold hard facts....no money, no stadium, no history, no saviour"
That's how success is attained in places. It's bought. You buy in the best talent to compete. The best lawyer will be lured away to somewhere that will pay him more. A game designer will jump ship to be part of a successful team of designers. It's how life works, mate. I'm not advocating it, but it does happen. We didn't "buy" titles. We spent outwith our means and got players who, in some cases, should have been nowhere near Scottish football. Now we are paying the price.
To your last comment; to say there's no history is just sour grapes. Rangers will always have a history. It will always be there. Just because Robert the Bruce is dead, doesn't mean it was faked. History is recorded. You'd do well to remember that.
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Rangers will be liquidated
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Lease ibrox for concerts? For ticketus to get there money back there would need to be about fifteen gigs minimum per year. And I mean sell outs like coldplay u2 etc. And they only tour about every 2 or 3 years. Dream on. I don't believe you. But hey I suppose a rumour has to start somewhere. I'm going to think of one now!
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Seems to me that the buyers the administrators are talking to are to buy the assets before the current company goes into liquidation. no one would buy the current company with the uknown tax bill etc is good money after bad.Rather they are looking to buy ibrox (if they can work out who actually owns it etc) & any other assets to use for the new rangers & start over debt free.
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Ticketus own the money from ibrox tickets, but Queens Park own the money for Hampden tickets so u would just owe them instead.
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And where are they going to play when Hampden is handed over for Cpmmonwealth for season 2014-15
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It's all going horribly wrong....liquidation is inevitable. No one is going to buy the current Rangers with a possible £75m tax bill to pay plus so many enquiries hanging over them....
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If the high earners are made redundant then the chances of liquidation go from 50-50 to 70-30.
However liquidation is not inevitable, as long as the Administrators do not run out of working capital, which they will not as long as Ibrox is full.
It must be realised that when the big assets are made redundnt and if the ground is secured by CW then liquidation is the worst option, there is nothing to sell.
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Dave King has said he firmly believes its liquidation then a newco. That means he's not putting a penny into the existing rangers hole with p Murray the singular blue knight.
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Why cant celtic fans just be happy about winning their first title in 4 years. Why make up total rubbish when nobody knows what will happen. No buyer then mass payoffs will occur and what does it matter cos the season is over for Rangers anyway. When is everyone gonnae get that into their thick skulls.
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Got to laugh, heads in the sand for so long, the reality is rangers are finished as a force for the foreseeable future, no matter what scenario is plaid out. CW was just the topping on my “jelly and ice creamâ€.
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Can i just point out that 75million is a figure that Whyte came up with. HE IS A KNOWN LIAR!!
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Its 90 million now.....Christ its gone up 45 million in 3 days.....thats bad interest rates!
SPL with 1 member of the OF = Non event = No SKY deal = No interest!
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"However liquidation is not inevitable, as long as the Administrators do not run out of working capital, which they will not as long as Ibrox is full." not true, whyte has sold season tickets proceeds up fron and that money nowhere to be seen, other than player sales where is the cash coming from?
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08 Mar 2012 12:57:33
https://www.saverangers.com/#tab_2
we need more people like this guy!
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Why unbelievable? its fact!
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08 Mar 2012 12:44:07
Lawyers for the club's administrators told the High Court in London they had expected to find £9.5m in the account.
But they said there was only £3.6m in the account and several parties are claiming ownership of the money.
They include HM Revenue and Customs, which wants £2.8m.
Merchants Turnaround is seeking £1m and pension fund Gerome is claiming £2.9m.
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Ger O Me - is that pension fund another front for CW?
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Merchant Turnaround PLC are part of the group that Craig Whyte just resigned directorship from. All of the Merchant groups are connected. Phil Betts is still a director at Merchant Turnaround PLC. Craig Whyte has ruined this club
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Where is the missing £5.9 million ?
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HMRC are chasing £2.8m of the 3.6m as bat on the original 3 years tickets sale, which is clearly VAT able....
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08 Mar 2012 12:31:36
High Court judge confirms hearing needed on who gets all, or some, of £3.6m seized money. 4-day hearing starts March 30.
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This could end up very messy for the club a new can of worms each day total fiasco shocking
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Glad the case starts 30th Mar and not 1st April or the Hectors would think it was just another joke.
The end is very near.....
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08 Mar 2012 12:29:56
Paul Murray '95% of the way to securing control of rangers, with 5 major backers in his corner, could this be what rangers are looking for'
BBC News
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Please let this happen why was Paul Murray not trusted in the first place.
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Link or source on this I see bbc but cannot find it anywhere
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Stop making s**t up.
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That's funny!the administrators have spoken today and said there not even close to a deal with anyone!rusty the tim who deals in facts hail hail
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Bbc news?
must be watching different from me!
fools why lie?
BluePeter {Ed001's Note - it does make it easier to find which people to block mind......}
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We can only hope there is truth to this...
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Then ed as a tic fan ban it {Ed001's Note - the original poster is blocked.}
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Some of our fans are annoying me today!
act with dignity and pride!
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Eh "dignity and pride" ? that went out long ago !
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Sorry guys but paul murray is the man who said anyone wanting to buy rangers just now is a madman(thats when CW came on the scene)now CW got us for a £1 so how mad must paul be to be in now were he will millions of £'s just to get us back to were the last mad man came in
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08 Mar 2012 12:04:39
Cala homes are very interested in buying Murray Park.Their intention is to gift it to West of Scotland Rugby Club in a swap deal that would enable them to circumvent planning objections as there are no restrictions on building there.Problem is they are prepared to wait till liquidation as the price will drop sharply.
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No chance, cant imagine the members at West wanting a club in Ibrox.
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Hi,
Cala or anybody else cannot build houses on Murray Park as it is part of the green belt in Milgnavie. The land is only leased.
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Impossible.
David Murray had to pull many strings to allow Rangers to develop that land and as aprt of that deal the building itself had to be kept to a minimal size.
The only reason we were granted a permit to build in the green belt was due to the land being mostly grassed areas.
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Cala Homes are probably like many other housebuilders who have too much land on their books and it's going down in value. What would they want with more liabilities?
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Rubbish The West of Scotland Rugby Club are at present involved with other possible moves that could see them switch to an area of spare ground to the rear of the current pavilion,as Waitrose could offer the deal that would see them build on the current location
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What utter nonsense.
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Being as polite as possible, what a load of made up tosh.
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The OP wasn't about building homes on Murray Park land.
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I am surprised at the replies - does nobody read what is written before they post a reply???
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Are you people thick or just being obtuse? !/what do you mean a club at ibrox? 2/they are swapping areas,try and read. 3/ duh! nothing will change,all the area will stay the same except goalposts and a small stand.4/ cala are one of the few who dont "land bank".5/the waitrose deal would take at least 3 years as residents dont want a supermarket on site. the other two ,well you will see/hear soon enough. Thats all.
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Cala want the rugby club to move to murray park. They will then build homes on the rugby club's present land. They wont be building on murray park.
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Correct. Cala are extremely sharp people. Almost spivs themselves. Turning Murray park into rugby fields to get the west of Scotland site makes perfect sense. But now any developer can do it now the secret is out.....watch the bidding war unfold with creditors the winners.
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I find this rumour one of the more believable ones as the actual use of murray park stays the same and their current land fits the bill for development. But surely the running costs of murray park would substantially outweigh what a rugby club could afford? perhaps would be run as dalziel park in motherwell is. parks available to rent e.t.c.
lets be honest if liquidation hits it will be the first expense to get the bullet.
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The rugby club dont own the land its owned by a local family
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Cala pay a retainer to West to have first refusal on the Rugby ground
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I thought murry park was owned by Murray and not rangers football club
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A quick check of the Scottish land register tells us who owns Murray park and west of Scotland rugby club facilities.
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I am a Rangers supporting member of the Cala Homes board of Directors. I can categorically state that this rumour is lacking in both accuracy and fact. Cala Homes are not interested in building homes at West's ground. Thank you.
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I too believe Murray group own Murray park. I may be wrong. Hope the original post is like most on this site. Bs
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The land which presently occupied by West of Scotland rugby and including all the land along the Milngavie Rd betweem Milngavie Rd and the allander river as far as Bearsden Railway Station is now under the ownership of agroup of housing developers which includes Cala. The deal is that West sell the ground to the group and the group would build a new rugby club at the rear of Murray Park on the other side of the burn that runs at the rof Murray Park. It would make good commericial sense to install West in Muarry park a purpose built facillity, which means that the group could put all their workforce into building houses and the new sport centre that they have promised the prople of Milngavie and Bearsden. Is this believable the short answer is yes, but the big question is where do the teams train?Bellahouston Park?, The Bens or Pollock junior clubs......Sad times
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All anyone needs to do is actually live here in Milngavie to know that Cala and others are actively trying to buy land in the Murray Park/West and Allander sports centre areas...that is a FACT. Anyone who doesn't believe this simply doesn't live here and hasn't had the multiple leaflets and consultation letters through their doors.
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As a member of West as well as a Rangers supporter i can tell you that this has been going on for years, i hope it doesn't happen but it is a possibility
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To the last post, i take it things have changed over the last year or so, hope it doesn't happen as i am a Rangers supporter and a West player
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FACT. Just because you type it using capital letters, doesn't make it cassy more weight And that's a fact !
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08 Mar 2012 11:45:54
One of the companies claiming money at High Court is Merchant Turnaround, with a director of none other than Phil Betts the same man who worked for Whyte. Someone please explain all this, these people are desperate to see Rangers die.
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Dont be ridiculous - they are not interested in anything other than making money by any manner of means whatsoever = the fallout for other businesses, us and individuals is of no consequence as they ruthlessly and relentlessly pursue their money god - love to be behind him and his immoral buddies at the day of reckoning,
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Craig Whyte AND Andrew Ellis should never ever have been allowed to take over at ibroz, they have lied their way into ruining this club. Its a very sad day to be a bear, but we will still follow follow
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Curiously, Ellis is still a director at Ibrox working daily with D&P and taking his salary.
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Aye, but by all accounts he is obstructing the administrators by refusing to co-operate and, no doubt, giving Whyte a blow by blow update - wherever that criminal coward is right now!!
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Craig Whyte is still the company secretary for Merchant Turnaround.
companydirectorcheck.com
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Craig Whyte - info
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/915833210
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08 Mar 2012 11:30:36
paul murray will hold further discussions with the administrators this afternoon in the hope of avoiding liquidation. If this guy saves our club i for one will be eternally grateful to paul murray and all the rangers fans should show their appreciation in the next home game. anyway fingers crossed.
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All the very best to you Paul Murray
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Next home game! Jesus lets get a grip people the way things are going there will not be any more games EVER
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The same paul murray who was part of the reason this happened in the first place.
THERE WILL BE NO TAKEOVER UNTIL THE CLUB IS LIQUIDATED.
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I like many other rangers fans have read every piece of news regarding what is going on the one person i have warmed to is paul murray he spoke out against the take over he is a quiet man who i truely think has rangers at heart i know he has not got the money on his own to get us out of this mess but he has friends who are willing to step up so to you mr murray you have my best wishes and i for one will be willing to give to your cause
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Yeah cos theres lots to celebrate that day! Like us winning the title. HA
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Everything the Murray group released today regarding King applies to Paul Murray also, he attended all the board meetings approved all the accounts, etc....
He's as sullied and tainted as any rangers director and oh....a newco can't have the same facilities, same directors, same manager, same players, same coaching staff, same employees, that's the old company with the old debts.
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Newco can't have same facilities and staff? Where do Leeds play and train? Don't recall all those conditions then.
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LIQUIDATION on Friday. Then and only then can plans for the future, such as it is, be formulated.
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08 Mar 2012 10:58:45
4 partys disputing £3,6ml at court craig whyte not one of them
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Now 5 partys and is destined to be a 4 day hearing more bad news
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5 parties I think you'll find and CW will be one of them of that there is no doubt!
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Five parties fighting over the remainder of the Ticketus money in London today, including Administrators, Whyte, HMRC and Ticketus and someone called Merchant Turnaround Ltd (1 guess who is a director?)
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Lawyers for Administrator has told High Court judge in opening statement that there's a danger of Rangers being demoted as well as being unable to fullfill remainder of fixtures this season.
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What the f*** is happening, it looks like no one can even begin to understand the finances of RFC. How could it have come to this what has been going on did the rest of the board and the auditors never question some of the financial dealings? Craig Whyte is just the icing on the top of this festering mess!!! David Murray what were you doing???
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Buying an other vine yard
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Craig Whyte already stole the missing £5.9 million. God knows where it went. Perhaps into Prichards?
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No Cw but Betts the CW director who recently left is part of Merchant House!!!
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This is not the case because Craig Whyte has an interest in at least 3 of those parties
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08 Mar 2012 10:56:52
Just heard on Sky that another company The Jerome Pension Group is trying to get the 3.6 million in the bank held by Whytes solicitors. Who the F**K are this lot. Anybody shed some light, ED? {Ed001's Note - I don't know anything about them sorry.}
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There creditors,this money was sold on to various investors.it could be at least a year before this is decided
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The FSA have fined CB for using client funds within investments and pensions so that's probably why they are after the money
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A number of funds and fund managers provide the investment capital for ticketus parent company........regardless of clawbacks rangers owe 60% of ticket sales for next 4 years and only liquidation will resolve that.
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The firm and two ex-partners are joint defendants in a separate case being brought by 500 investors in a complex investment scheme known as Innovator One, which Collyer Bristow is said to have promoted. However, the firm alleges that one of their partners in the scheme Lockton Companies International was negligent when it arranged the firm’s insurance cover for the year the Innovator One claim affects.
The Jerome Pension Group are one of the many parties that invested in Innovator One who are said to have lost 50 million.
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As i said the big fall out begins shocking
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08 Mar 2012 09:46:31
Does anyone know who is in the frame tobuy the gers. The press are saying there is maybe 3, the Blue knights and who else?
Cheers D
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I think the guy that owns sale sharks rugby team is one of them,. (he did express interest before)
no idea about the third tho,
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Craig Whyte will Be the winner and will come out owning the club....watch this space
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Actually, there are alledgedly 5 interested parties
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Ally says they are all singing from the same hymm sheet so all should be good! :)
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It's a ploy to try and flush out interested parties.......deadlines, lies, .....just like the Whyte purchase saga......a new owner won't stop liquidation.... Better to await post liquidation.
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Walt Disney are in the running and will look to put RFC on Cartoon Network!!
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Brain Kennedy - Sale Sharks owner (already met administrators)
Paul Murray & Dave King ( The Blue Knights)
not sure of the others.. there was the rumour of the Russian not sure if that was true or not. Good to hear that there are multiple bidders.
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Walt Disney don't do cartoon network, Disney channel I think u mean, u absolute plonker!
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Also rumours of Jim McColl and also a german consortium
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Please tell me no one on this site actually believes anyone is at present interested in purchasing rangers football club? Lets pretend for a minute they are not a football club......any person who has the mone to "buy" over rangers would obviously be an intelligent, successful individual with astute business acumen (assuming this based on the fact they have some spare millions to invest in Rangers). What intelligent business man would invest ANY of his own money which could then be almost instantaneously away by HMRC when the big Tax Bill Hits? Forgetting the Big Tax Case, lets talk about the 9Million pounds owed in PAYE to the HMRC, the several million owed to clubs around the UK, the 10 Million a year negative deficit which the club is still running with and ask yourself, free of emotion clouding your judgement, would you invest your money? To Further back this up......Look at the likely outcome of the doncaster report, Rangers are almost a certainty to be penalised massively for the inclusion of ineligible players in some 200 SPL League games. It is likely that rangers will be stripped of any rewards gained whilst ineligible players were fielded, this will include league points, Cups etcetc. So again ASK yourself who is going to invest in a team who will likely NO be in the SPL, will almost certainly be banned from Europe and who will be penalised for the majority of their wrong doings. Im sorry Rangers fans, but the masons at the top of the SPL cant help you here.....UEFA is watching.
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If Whyte retains control then Rangers will lose thousands of season ticket holders, many of whom will never return!!
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08 Mar 2012 06:46:05
Ibrox to be pos sold off to make way for luxury flats. Before any1 shouts about it being a listed building then just remember the front is but not the rest. Arsenal's old Highbury stadium was converted and that was listed just like Ibrox.
CW planned all this along with Rangers playing and renting Hampden
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Not the place for luxury flats mate. Try again. WUM
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The old worm let white twin towers were listed also. But they got torn down.....it's called progress mate.
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Luxury flats in govan, aye right
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Grade A and B listed buildings brought down all the time in Scotland, a small part of ibrox facade is grad c. Not a problem for planners........ha ha Facade.....get it? Lol....
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HIGHBURY is in LONDON
IBROX is in GOVAN. FFS
Their is still plenty of unsold flats in the govan/glasgow area mostly on the water front who would want to buy a flat situated at ibrox with lovely veiws of industrial estates boarded up flats and retail parks oh and incase you didnt know the housing market is dead
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OK Source?? As i heard that they are pulling down Old traford and making it into a fire station?
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The day Ibrox is sold is the day I give up!
That ground has so much more meaning that our title history! It is our history and one true asset we have which defines our club, unlike that tin shack accross the road!
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Yawnnnnn ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz
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Keep playing with your lego and living in your little green world. Never in a million years!
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It would answer a lot of questions, and explain whytes antics.
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Remember this was posted 2 months ago and is to b David Wilson homes. a was shot down in flames because i wouldn't name my source....
I rest my case. broxi bear
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What a stupid post. Have you ever been to Govan??
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Luxury flats in govan i want one
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Luxury flats in ibrox.... i have just wet myself laughing....
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Dont mock the flats idea ! Wasn't that long ago that Sir Murray had his planning permission for an outrageous Casino with the football pitch on the roof !! Remember that ?.. Ibrox/Govan is currently having the old tower blocks pulled down and the " Rab C's " are being given fancy new housing Association hooses ! G51 is the new West End
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Listen this is not the first time this has been brought up, it would e a great plot for any building company to buy, I would guarantee,every flat would e sold off plan even before a brick was laid. The prestige of being a Rangers Supporter and owning a part of Ibrox would be a Master coo for Mr Whyte, he aint no mug, look how he has ran rings around the banks, HMRC , the rangers board and many more businessmen, he does not give two hoots what anyone thinks about him, he has millions in his bank accounts and most of it taken from mugs who think he is the mug. I hate him but there is no two ways about it he is a very shrewd businessman. The new rangers will play from Hampden.
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Luxury flats in Govan - have you seen what they would be looking at?
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The airport bear .... I have a very good friend who works in the council planning dept ... if it aint registered through the council its a total non starter , guess what if it was ture it would have been in the papers !! four men had a dream
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Poppycock!
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Luxury flats no chance....but a great idea for a large hotel....5 mins airport...10 minutes city centre....15 minutes Hampden.....could be finished in time for thr CWGs....easily move Ibrox committment to Firhill.
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08 Mar 2012 00:52:24
the scottish sun are running a story should the old firm game be called off
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It will be a bad day if the game is called off do rangers have the money for policing the game ed ? {Ed001's Note - right now, no.}
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This is a tragic day for scottish football the penny is now dropping
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Strathy polis n polis aw rnd britain will b hopen its cawed aff they'll b expectin riots wae aw the tension n the type ae atmosphere that will be behind this ... just hope it goes ahead ..cannie imagine life waeoot a auld firm derby ...really wish this was over n dun wae its breakin everywans hearts ... bevster1690 ... w a t p we don't do walking away
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Now, from a business point of view, you can understand why Celtic don't want to hand over the cash in advance for tickets to a game which might not happen.
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The Celtic 300k looks as though it was the right decision to hold it back considering their entire profit was 295k.
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All we seem to get at work is health and safety. But once you realize that people don't need to get hurt or accidents, that they can all be avoided, then the game should be put back.
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Deferred 300k makes no difference to the big picture. Half would go to policing and half to D&P.
D&P know it's a dead mule and want to whip it that last few hundred meters. To milk it for themselves.
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If we are able to, the game has to go ahead. If it doesn't it is a victory for them before we even kick a ball. I for one want to see eleven players in blue and white go out on to the park and show them what it means to play for RFC. The result is secondary
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Duff and Phelps needs £1million a month to be there long term.
The players need to drop £1million a month to enable this.
D&P have said nothing about making good with creditors. And this is their highest priority!! Why did dunfermline get preferential treatment?
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I would be delighted if the game is called off.
The game is now up for Rangers as we know it, no doubt we will be back as a support behind another version of our team but the last thing I want at this stage is to have the Celtic fans fill up Ibrox to dance on our grave and lets be honest probably gub our team as a going away present.
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Easy thing to do to ensure the game goes ahead is Celtic pay to police the game and minus that cost off the £300K sent to Rangers...simple.
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I really hope this is the case tempers are running very high on one side of the city and the other side are killing themselves with laughter, this game going ahead could possibly lead to a lot of trouble. I for one think the demise of Rangers could be a great thing for Scottish Football, as the SPL would struggle to survive without them, then in hopefully 5 - 10 years Celtic would become a no point club they could close their doors and begin afresh with a Glasgow United Club and at Last get the Bigotry out of Scottish football once and for all.
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No doubt rangers hope itis called off
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Can anyone tell me what bevster1690 said?
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Why should Celtic pay, sorry not celtics fault
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" I for one want to see eleven players in blue and white go out on to the park and show them what it means to play for RFC."
Brilliant where will those players come from?
Supporters cant play, And the players are not supporters,they have proven that this week, The players could have kept the Club alive. They hit the final nail into the Coffin. Thats what the Blue and Whyte Jersey means to Rangers Players.
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This game is coming at the wrong time - as a celtic fan, we have won the league & there is really no desire to fan the flames & its obvious this game could be big trouble.
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Game on, game off, no difference, Celtic have won the game have won the title have won the 120 years rivalry, Rangers have ultimately failed and ended. It's over. Say goodbye and move on.
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Bevster soon you will not have any where to walk away from, why should the game take place when Rangers cannot pay the police. Why should there be a lot of trouble?
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With fans like bevster (1690) no chance , you can feel the bigotry from him 1690 this is 2012 move on ya tit, and the way says everything about you to
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08 Mar 2012 00:24:15
SaveRangers.com has been active for 12 days and over 14,000 loyal Rangers supporters have come out in force to pledge £12,000,0000 cash required to save our club.
We will soon be moving onto the next phase of the campaign where we will conduct research with those who have pledged on the site on the future of Rangers. We would ask fans to be patient at this time as before any money is handed over we have to be 100% sure where it is going and why.
Please spread the word to your friends, family, supporters buses and show the world that we will fight till the day is done.
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10m to be fair was a pledge from Simon Cowell on condition CW is a judge on BGT
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This is a pledge are all the fans genuine ? caution to the wind
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We love craig whyte NOT!!.that would be a lie like all of his and his puppets from Duff and Phelps who have killed us WATP
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Bought debentures , bought season tickets for the last forty years, bought my kids all the strips. All in good faith. Who am I gonna trust now??
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Read the objectives on website about reinvesting profits back into club moving forward. Does that mean the fans will pay the losses in as well or do we have to rely on tax fiddles again? Fair question, In want to know where my season ticket money will go never mind extra dish.
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Can we get someone to look into all the dealings regarding money at our club now
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If you have 4.3 million then gift it to the Administrator and stop it going into liquidation, save Rangers history and players worth approx 20 million.
And before you ask, it will not go to the creditors, it will enable RFC to be sold after a CVA, which will produce the highest return for the creditors.
No conditions, a gift.
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The situation is spirraling out of control sad
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If Ibrox still stands and a team called Rangers play in it. I'll be there in my debenture seat, which I've already bought, and not one penny more or I'm going to court.
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Not been to a football game in 25 years or bought merchandise but I will for definate put money in. Rangers for life. You dont grow out of it.
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Thank you Craig Whyte for setting up this website - I wou;d gladly sell my house and all its contents and give you the money to save Rangers
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Steel copper and lead are at an all time high. The steel at ibrox would bring in millions. The miles of copper wiring too. We won't need a huge stadium and won't be able to maintain repair it anyway. There's millions needed in repairs. We need a brand new little stadia with a new team and new directors and grow cleanly and respectfully rather than have any links at all to this shameful past.
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Rangers fans should do everything they can and if this is what it takes they must step up NOW ! And stop all the blame game PISH ! Get on with it
Rangers going into liquidation WOULD be a disaster for ALL clubs in the SPL.
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It's monopoly money, what you need is cold hard cash.
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Your up late you been in the red. Your full of it. It is too late Rangers will be liquidated. Nobody will but them for the following. Very complicated financial mess,investigations by the police, sfa, sol and big tax case.Img a complete Muppet would sink money into this lost cause. Your too late, you chose to ignore and lately were and still are just being defiant. Even Paul Murray and Brian Kennedy won't, they will go through the motions because they want the fans tithing they tried. Just soundbites. July ignored the signs and were happy to sit at the table and gorge. Gluttony it seems is the end if your club as you know it.
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The guy is right, the site is to designed to ensure the fans are ready to stump up cash to get behind a new consortium and fans ownerships scheme. For all the people commenting that they will not, what are you going to do to help save the club? If the answer is nothing you shouldnt be a Rangers man. We all need to contribute! We have many more than 14,000 so get signed up before its too late. WE NEED TO BE READY
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Don't forget the first £5 mil can for Celtic fans who hi-jacked the site, it was in all the papers
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It ur true gers men thay will. come on lads its up 2 us now
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And lord lucan is liveing in govan ya baw---
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£12m from say 14,500 people is an average of £827.58 per person, do you really think the average bear in the street has that much cash to just throw into the bottomless pit of RFC and then fork out more money to support the club by paying at the gate and buying merchandise?
Also is this money hard cash or simply pledges, if cash then I hope those who have parted with their hatd earned know whose bank account their money is sitting in, and if in the form of pledges then the figures are next to worthless as anyone could have pledged any amount that will never turn into real money
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120 million pounds is a lot of pledges, show your team the money then!
Get your zero's mixed up mate or is it the comma's???
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The biggest lie we swallowed was by the gutter press, usual 'exclusive' suspects, they said Whyte was a billionaire, wealth off the radar an investment capitalist or venture capitalist. His mate who did several years in prison told us what he is... He's a liquidation practitioner. He doesn't do things in half measures, not admin, LIQUIDATION.
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That website was the daftest idea ever.....totally ridiculous and nonsensical.
A high court Law Lord has said Rangers and it's owner/ Chairman are well out of order. End game now boys.
There's no buyers.
Rangers will not last 72 hours.
Rangers will not last 72 hours.
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