Rangers Rumours Archive May 06 2012

 

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06 May 2012 19:50:31
With all the rumours about miller being a sell on specialist, a property developer, involved withncompanies that gone to the wall, Are the SFA going to carry out a fit and proper person test and does anyone know whether or not our ex chairman mr Johnston has been saying anything about this guy?

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Talking to someone at game yesterday, who had found some info that suggested BM & AJ mix in US business circles......said something about companies with connections to them both being in same location? Don't know how uh truth in it, but might explain how the interest in the club came about?

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I hear that a local TV co are highlighting some of our less glorious moments and employment policy on American TV!

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The employment policy mite put a spanner in the works the yanks wont like that one

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Its not the SFAs job to find the faults in anyone running rangers

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There is no fit and proper test for prospective owners. It is only retrospective.

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After Ally's dog whistling last week and then the threats to the panel members no-one will be willing to put their head above the parapet

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Miller was part of the club9 consortium who pulled out and didn't fancy it? Remember their statement saying Miller was going alone? Also it was said Ellis talked to club9.

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The employment Policy is part of the glorious history. It only changed after 115years. 30 years ago and only 7 Catholics since then out of hundreds of squad players.

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I hear that a local TV co are highlighting some of our less glorious moments and employment policy on American TV!
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Isn't that a fundemantal part of your proud history?

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Given the number of Italians, Spaniards, French, South Americans etc I think you want to recalculate "7"

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Anyone can sign for rangers colour creed or religion point above states this

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There is something not quite right about BM's interest in Rangers, I cannot put my finger on it, but the man bid 11.2 million without even looking at the assets, has no interest in football and cannot expect any return on his investment for years, if ever.

I don't think he is an asset stripper and he isn't rich enough to pay 11.2 million for a hobby or folly.

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A demolition expert (or Wrecker as his web site describes him) and property developer is just what will be needed in the Ibrox area very soon. All these delays are just to get him planning permission.

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He put $13m into his own backyard company in Chatanooga....it builds vehicles for towing and wrecking .... Why would he put more into a Scottish team? His son billy boy junior rand thd DR guy out the factory and over the road, employees stopped talking. Scared for their jobs? What's going on? Chatanooga ffs!

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06 May 2012 18:54:19
Meanwhile, it emerged last night that, whether Miller secures a Company Voluntary Agreement with Rangers or not in the coming weeks, the club will almost certainly be barred from European football for three years due to "structural changes" under Uefa guidelines, starting from next season.

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I think we have known that since the accounts were not signed off.

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This has been understood from the start of this process, that following an "insolvency event" a club is excluded from Euro competitions.

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Three years. That is a very very long time into Rangers future.

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If the SFA/SPL do not implement the rules fairly (in the eyes of UEFA) then all Scottish Clubs and the International team could face bans from taking part in competitions because of the inaction or specious actions by our governing bodies.

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06 May 2012 18:50:40
The Scottish Premier League intends to cut a deal with Bill Miller, the American tycoon who is in the process of restructuring Rangers, in which the crucial SPL share transfer that is required for a "newco" Rangers will be rubber-stamped in return for two key guarantees.

According to the SPL sources, it is the SPL's intention to offer Miller and Rangers continued SPL status if Miller promises to pay off all outstanding Scottish football debts, and if he also agrees to accept whatever punishment an SPL investigation into Rangers' so-called "double-contracts" might produce. A newspaper understands there would be no further sanctions on the newco Rangers.

SPL lawyers are currently investigating the club's use of Employment Benefit Trusts (EBTs). If their findings go against Rangers, the SPL will have to consider swingeing punishments for years of unlawful player contracts.

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Listen up everyone, there is a stumbling block in all this and that is CW's shares, go to BBC scotland web site and read the artcle by the business corrispondent Dougls Fraser. We are not so much as over a barrel but in a cooperage

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The Fighting Fund has refused to pay Dundee Utd the money we owe to them, and we, the supporters have threatened sanctions against other clubs by not attending away games. How in the name of the wee man do you expect the club chairpersons to support any punishments which are not severe. We need to get them back onside by getting the FF to pay monies owed and get any implied threats, withdrawn,because the TV companies are watching, and they will be asking the question "do we weant to be associated with a SPL that is tarnished?"
Forget all the rubbish that the SPL cannot survive without us, money talks and if the others think that they can get an extra few quid, by the removal of Rangers then they will remove us and live within their means after claiming all the titles and cups in which they lost to us and that includes the SFL members

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I hope Bill miller tells them to feck aff, they are just looking for a way to keep us in the spl as they need us for more money, gate money, t.v money etc, whilst punishing us for years to come also. Bill miller should say send us to the third division or vote yes on the newco without further points deductions or fines etc. What I think is happening here is that Pete the dragon liewell's plans are falling apart, and his wee puppets from the smaller clubs have done their sums and can now see the damage they would cause their own club by sending Rangers to the 3rd division. So now they want Rangers to accept what ever punishment they give them, whether it's fair or even merited without a challenge. This proposal has Liewell's fingerprints all over it. I repeat Bill miller tell them to feck aff..Catweazle-talkingbone.

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Leave lawell out of you're troubles, he is what u call a CEO, everything above board with integrity and honesty, you've committed the crime, do you're fecking time and stop blaming everyone else, Scotland's shame accept the blame,

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If I was Miller I'd ask the SPL to make good on the shortfall on debts to the other clubs, it happened on their watch. He's coming in as a new member and probably doesn't see what it has to do with him and his newco. SPL has sat back for years and watched this happen.

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Doesn't matter what the SPL offer RFC.
The football license cannot be transferred, there is no mechanism to allow it.
It would require RFC to go to the SFA who would go to UEFA.
UEFA would then decide if a new license would be issued.
This is irrespective of the SPL share, without UEFA's nod an RFC newco cant play.

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From eufa site:

"The annual licensing is based on a series of defined quality standards, which each club must fulfil to gain admittance to UEFA's club competitions, and on the key principles of transparency, integrity, credibility and capability."

The license is only required to qualify for european competitions not the SPL. Ironic that Rangers probably had one these on the basis of their,

"principles of transparency, integrity, credibility and capability."

and look where we are now.

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No new company should be allowed into any FAs top league you need to work your way up.
A club doesn't have an SPL share if they're out of the SPL. Liquidation puts rangers out. Transfer of share of SPL should be illegal, what keeps pars from transferring share right now before it loses it?

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I should have explained more in my previous post about licensing.
Ignoring the license for Europe, the SFA are bound by UEFA rules regarding club licensing.
UEFA rules clearly state club licenses cannot be transferred, not even with the SPL share.
I.E. The SPL or SFA cannot transfer oldcos 'right' to play in the SPL to a newco, the club license is non-transferable.

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Did leeds not turn to afc leeds? and wimbeldon to mk dons?

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06 May 2012 17:50:08
Just read Alex Thomsons blog, have to agree with him, personally I would rather start in the 3rd div than suffer any imposition. However I have also read Dun utd and Killie chair statements, we won't be allowed to leave. Celtic won't suffer major hardship without us but the rest clearly will. Like it or not we are big players, the blogger RTC also states this in his blog today. I even believe Celtic will support us, there is no such thing as integrity when money is involved.

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There is no such thing as integrity when money is involved,and that attitude my friend is why your team is being chased by HMRC.

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So you are a cheat and that's ok?

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Sport,whether it's football,athletics,etc is all about integrity.That's why drug cheats get banned,Sion get thrown out of UEFA competition(have a look at the action the Swiss FA have taken in the past couple of weeks).I'd be happier if we could put up a better defence than WATP,everyone will die if we're not here.Our arguement against the SFA penalties isn't that they're wrong,It's you can't do this to us and if you do we'll get you.Ally demands the outing of the SFA panel,even though RFC agreed to the rule of anonimity.Within 24hrs all 3 had been subject to threats to themselves and their families.Did Ally apologise,no.on the day of the protest,Sandy Jardine demanded "sanctions" against anyone who dared criticise us.Who do we think we are.We have no right to demand anything.Unfortunately.we're hoping that people we've treated like sh#te for years,and are still doing so,will accept us back into the fold as if nothing has happened.Tell me,if someone treated you this way,what would you do?.

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Rangers in meltdown has not crippled the spl , the reverse

Celtic have not won the treble, non old firm teams have won cups, and will take part in Europe

They may not get to the main stages in Europe, because rangers poor euro performances mean scots team must pre-qualify

Spl only needs rangers if it brings more money, but as we see currently it brings more shame and allegations of cheating that real bankable dosh

Any penalties applied should attach to rangers spl share, and a newco can have that share and its punishments and enter the spl, or start with new untainted share in div 3

Man utd suffers the plane crash and rebuilt with kids (busby babes) and won loads, why can not accept this and rebuild if they soooo great

If rangers challenging punishments for minor Whyte issues, wait to see the punishments if double contracts are true, every game with a player on a double contract is immediate 0-3 score, all of them, in the league, cups, euro !!!!

And all results and games and cups and championships annulled

Field just one illegal player and the results (Sion e.g.) are massive.........

Will rangers fight every punishment, and threaten every team across Europe with fans not turning up for games, cos if they even dare to suggest this rangers will geta sine die - forever punishment, it's there in the sports rules for such a crime

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One does not need a degree in economics to work out Rangers could not be downsized to play in the lower divisions.

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All fans should turn their backs on the spl if this new company is allowed anywhere near it.

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Meet the new Rangers same as the old rangers, no shame in not contributing their dues to the country. This only confirms Rangers are and always have been given assistance to succeed in this league. Any newco will be deemed as irrelevant, any trophies they win will be disregarded and dismissed as cheating. Newco Rangers will never be seen as honestly winning a trophy given their murky genesis

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To the rangers fan giving a reality check, I know it can't feel good having to admit that about ur club and i can tell ur the REAL everyday supporter who is suffering when YOU haven't done nothing but support the team u love. Fair play mate, refreshing attitude. It would stand your club in good stead for the storm ahead if they took ur stance and attitude.

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So super ally just wants 'fair punishment'. If the spl wont provide this with newco in spl wity no punishemnt will sally volunteer it? Will there be a march on the sfa /spl again to demand 'fair' punishment? 'Scotland's shame' once again.

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Rangers playing in 3rd division with kids is an issue.....

Small grounds, poor games, with kids....

But a fresh chance to rebuild,and maybe still two cup runs ( though I expect bans for both cup competitions due to double contracts for old co in spl, but not newco in 3rd division

If supporters are the 12th man, then 3rd division should be winnable by rangers. Babes, and give new financial fresh, start

Year 2, 2nd division and cup runs , so old firm and sign some players.... Should win this....

Year 3 and more players, more cup runs, some old firm games, better finances, maybe some season tickets money, and win division

Year 4 - back in a rejuvenated spl, where celtic doing ok, Lennon awaits, and other teams have enjoyed some glory and it's much fairer game

Why would any real blue, fear this route back to the glory

Grow some balls and embrace the challenge

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No team relegated from the SPL has ever gone bust because they missed out on OF games-remember in some cases they only play reagers at home once in a season

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"because rangers poor euro performances mean scots team must pre-qualify"


Because the rest of Scottish football has been fantastic in Europe over the last 5 years! Get a grip moron!! SPL teams are very poor compared to our European counterparts, including Celtic who have been rotten over the last few years! If Rangers and Celtic cannot get anywhere near the Champions League what hope in hell do the rest of the SPL have! There will be no clubs in European competition for a very long time (unless by defualt). Euro cup run is the most that Celtic and other clubs can hope for! We need our strongest and largest clubs competing against each other, a poor Rangers will lead to a poorer Celtic and vice versa! Our league standard is dropping every year and bickering about trophies won years ago and who remains in the SPL is just pointless no wonder our league is in the state it is! We are now at the point where hardly any of our international players actually remain in our league with them now preferring division 2 down south to the SPL! We have 3 entites running the various leagues in Scotland get it down to one, restructure the league (With Rangers and Celtic) and actually do something positive for Scottish football for once!

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Rangers in Europe highest league/cup nine years in a row and won nothing and got nowhere.... This lead to demotion of all scottish team......

Celtic got to a euro cup final in the same period, yes they did not get past first round of champions league when they did qualify, but they were hamstrung by a team at home who were at best cheating just the taxman.........

Lol seems rangers not to blame for anything these days.......

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Celtic will definately not support Rangers on any Newco vote. They have the moral high ground and would certainly not surrender that by supporting cheating. I have also heard that they are waiting patiently for the results of some of these investigations before considering their position legally. There is no point in pursuing RFC for anything so I would expect the SFA/SPL to be in the dock for failing to administer their duties properly.

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So what were the rest of the teams doing during this period where rangers were failing? rangers were most recently in a euro cup final, but that was that far ago that even that does not help our euro standards/coefficient anymore! People need to stop going on about the past its irrelevant now and need to look forward! its no wonder that scottish football is stuck in the rut that it is just now! far to many people worried about insignificants as to what actually is the problem and working on a solution to fix it!

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06 May 2012 17:15:16
Not a rumour - more a question

WHERE HAS/IS THE MONEY GOING????
Are there any accountants out there who could make sense of the Rangers Accounts, which are available to view online? Just been looking at the accounts and it states that the Total income is £56 million in 2010 and £39 million in 2009 (the gate money was around £25million each year). The wage bill was £28 million and £30 million respectively. The £19 million loan to BOS/TSB was about a million pounds a year, but there was payments of around £14million for "OTHER" OPERATING CHARGES (it certainly was not spent on the stadium)

Does anyone know what these "other" charges are?

Looking at it simplistically if we bring in £25 million at the gate and the wage bill is £24 million (I think it was reported to be £18 million this year) there should be enough money to balance the books on gate money alone. If we start as a Newco with no real debt and liquidate Rangers PLC we should be able to sustain the current salary levels. We might even get the rights to our merchandising back!!

I hate to say it, but septic don’t have a huge extra income of money than us, especially since they have not made any money from Champions League in the past few years, yet they always seem to generate more cash, despite having a squad almost TWICE the size of ours!
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Other operating charges will be transport, maintenance, utilities, rates, insurance, lawyers, accountants, police, security etc etc.

Rangers can not afford a wage bill that is more than half of its turnover, it will be slashed to 20 million and there will be no players on 20k per week. Rangers need to field an affordale team that can compete for domestic honours, forget European glory.

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Confused bear ... As I've stated in the past selling our rights to JJB was good for Murray at the time now it looks rather pathetic when you can see Celtic make a fortune selling there brand .. They even made the airport move there Celtic shop to the front of the airport ... Lesson to be learned my fellow bear , the airport bear

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Read MIH accounts, they creamed £4m profit in players sales from RFC in 2010.

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Over the last two seasons, some of our best players have been those brought through our youth teams. regardless of the current situation, scottish teams can no longer compete for proven talent. rangers need to bring on our young players. hopefully over the next 3 years, mccoist will blood the young players into the starting 11. the future is bright. we may have been forced into this, but murray park was created so that the core of the rangers team will be the youth. dutch system!

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They were also paying Murray international £6m a year for advice, including advice on EBTs. Thanks DM

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The difference is Celtic didn't sell the family silver, namely jerseys and catering.

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Maintenance, lol - have you seen the state of the stadium?
Assuming we have 18 first team players on 20k a week, that would take the wage bill to arounnd 18 million. That is definately affordable on the gate money alone, not mentioning the other income from SPL, JJB, sponsorship etc. Cuts need to be made I agree but surely we must look at cutting the costs of all the small items - money is being wasted at both the small items as well as Board Members etc.
BTW no one mentioned European glory - only European money, which HAS come in some of the previous years.

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Are current players and management creaming the fans money away through EBT's or something similar? Its time we all get to know who got paid an EBT including those in reciept on the management team past and present - openness, clarity etc etc etc!

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When the boycott starts by the non rangers fans how much revenue will come through the turnstiles on a weekly basis?

3rd division or no spl. Those are the only choices that any right minded non rangers fan can abide.

Rangers cheated and failed to pay bills. Where is the punishment to stop any other clubs simply doing the same.

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The money is spent on player wages big contracts that we cant afford been running at a 10m loss for years only euro money keeping us going stop trying to find someone to blame its our fault for demanding success we cheated end of and we are going to get our punishment very shortly oot the game rangers no more history no more waken up and stop blaming every one but ourselves

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"Maintenance, lol - have you seen the state of the stadium?
Assuming we have 18 first team players on 20k a week, that would take the wage bill to arounnd 18 million. That is definately affordable on the gate money alone, not mentioning the other income from SPL, JJB, sponsorship etc. Cuts need to be made I agree but surely we must look at cutting the costs of all the small items - money is being wasted at both the small items as well as Board Members etc.
BTW no one mentioned European glory - only European money, which HAS come in some of the previous years."

Looks like you forgot about paying taxes lol. £18.7million before tax for 18 players on 20k.

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Celtic are prudently ran and also have a far greater fan base across the world therefore more merchandise income etc..

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Rangers employ over 200 people not 18, when will the penny drop with some Rangers fans ? The problem with chanting WATP over and over is you start to believe it. I have every sympathy for realistic gers fans but the delusional ones will never learn.

Ranger cannot afford 20k per week players, end of story, get over it and deal with it.

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"Maintenance, lol - have you seen the state of the stadium?
Assuming we have 18 first team players on 20k a week, that would take the wage bill to arounnd 18 million. That is definately affordable on the gate money alone, not mentioning the other income from SPL, JJB, sponsorship etc. Cuts need to be made I agree but surely we must look at cutting the costs of all the small items - money is being wasted at both the small items as well as Board Members etc.
BTW no one mentioned European glory - only European money, which HAS come in some of the previous years."

Looks like you forgot about paying taxes lol. £18.7million before tax for 18 players on 20k.

Player's wages are gross values, much the same as your own salary will be.

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06 May 2012 15:38:19
all the fans want give bill miller his chance he is the only one that is willing to put his cash on the table that is good anuf to be acepted he will be in control of us for a few years then he will sell for a profit this is a business deal pure and simple we can not get in any worse off state way him at the helm for a few years so get behind the man an support our great club

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I actually feel we could benefit more from someone looking to turn a profit than from someone passionate about the club. We need someone who's not going to spend millions and millions on players and wages that catches up with us a few years down the line. Obviously, if we could get both that would do, but we really need someone with A)the money to save us, as that is the most important thing in the short term, and B) someone who can then set us up as an efficient business. Only then should be be considering C)someone to restore us to domestic and European glory. I hope this is reasonable to fellow bears, but it's the way i see it... and our history MUST be preserved - it's what has always set us apart, and what will get us through this tough time. Muzz

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I do not want to see Rangers liquidated but I feel there are still many obstacles to BM'S bid and eventual merger.

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In todays paper BM wife said that BM was never intrested in football and she wonders why he is trying to buy us.

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To the last post on hear he is buying us to sell us in a few years time for a profit this is what bill miller does he is a business man and i agree with the second poster on this wee need a business man to take us forward not sum1 like murray who cant rub to pennies together

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McCann went to Celtic and told them - 5 years. He was true to his word. Saved the club, ran it as a business and refused to be blackmailed by Cadette, DeCanio etc., left after stated 5 years and left behind a stadium, an organised business and supporters who bought into the club...If Miller can do the same at Ibrox then he has to be given a chance. Caring about the club is a nice extra but it has to be run as a business to succeed.

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06 May 2012 14:32:44
Spurs are in talks with mcgergors agent about a move in the summer. 1.5 mil release clause in his contract means no need for rangers to agree. Looks like the fire sale begins.....

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Reality will be as Miller says"we will have to live within our means". So McGregor, Davis, Laffs, Naisy and Whittaker will be on their bikes saving over 100k a week. In future we will probably be paying wages 8-10k tops.

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8 - 10k Is that the annual salary per player or the weekly wage bill for the team?

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Thought the expensive players negotiated £500k sell on not £1.5m

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Mcgregor wont leave for basically nothing, he'll wait and see whats happening 1st

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Rangers fans must taper down their expectation levels to the new financial reality. There is absolutely no doubt team quality and performance will suffer for some seasons to come.

The big prize for both OF teams will be the occasional 10 million quid jaunt into the CL group stages.

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McGregor is a great keeper but Neil Alexander is a more than able replacement so if it better for the long term sustainability of the club then let Greegs go, especially considering he took a 75% pay cut no problem in our time of need

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Let us make it clear. The players did not take a pay cut, they just deferred their earnings. As they renegotiated very favourable terms for moving from our club!

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Newco means he goes for free

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Cant understand we are in administration,but have 2 goalkeepers one on over £20k a week,the other on £14k now taking into account the wage reducing mcgregor is on £5k and alexander is on £7k,surely we should have sacked one and put a youth player on the bench since 14th feb alexander has not played one min

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Firesale this n that, y would rangers players who have just signed long term deals leave. The uncertaintys over after today we'll know exactly what's happening. The contracts will go back to as before, will still be ally in charge, still be playing at ibrox n training at Murray park, have the same crowds the only difference is it's a new owner n there's no Europe. But I think most of the rangers minded players we have will accept that. N as for miller, he's gonnae get the deal of the year, 85% shares of rangers football club for a bargain 11 million pound so I don't c y we're worrying now. Things are finally looking up for the bears

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Given that the players have effectively funded the club through their wage cuts the last couple of months, nobody should hold a grudge that any of them leave under the agreed terms. All could have walked like Celik and Wilde.

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It is not a question whether players want to leave, its a question of balancing the books, Rangers must reduce their wage bill from 28 million to 20 million.

High earners will be sold or given away for free, anything to get rid of their unaffordable contracts.

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06 May 2012 10:53:20
Just heard from my friend who is in a footballing circle saying that miller is one of these guys that take on a few companies from nothing make them something and sell it on. Which makes me think is he in it for the long term or no?

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Just the same as fergus mcann. If He saves the club, we cannot complain. He. Is not doing it for nothing. I think we need to get behind Mr miller.

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This guy knows next to nothing bout rangers. So I'd fathom he is in it for financial gain. If he can turn this club around and into a sustainable business then sell on in say 5 years good luck to him. Just hope his methods are correct and he doesn't go about it in a way which upsets too many supporters.

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The difference being Mr Hector, we had serious cash flow problems and a route to repay our debt....the Hectors are skint, and no way on earth will be be able to repay whats owed....Trust me Hectors will never be allowed to forget that they have screwed several good companies of their hard earned money.....cva or other...Rangers history will always carry that title..... Skint in 2012.....

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Penalty spot?

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Whyte mark 2 ,you have been warned

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Cobblers.how would your "friend" in football know Miller? watch,he will walk away leaving liquidation the only option as he is a stooge

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He's 65 years old, how can he have a 5 year plan? He's retired ffs. His son billy boy junior runs his businesses.
He's entered negotiations for 2 other UK clubs and he walked from both. My bet is that this guy never ever flies to Europe in his life. He is not committed financially to anything as yet. I just cannot see £11m of Millers money being handed over to UK Creditors to pay For David Murray's golden years.

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He knows nothing about Rangers, he knows nothing about football, he knows nothing about Scotland, he knows nothing about UK. No passport.

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As my earlier post stated. Say 5 years. That was a guess of sorts . No need to get your knickers in a twist. 65 is not that old. How old is sir alex? Roy h is 64.

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Miller is the same as whyte - a venture capitalist .
he has more failures than success.
currentley 2 companies that he's involved with are being liquidated in the states. want to know about him ? ask sheffeild wed. & tranmere fans

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Who honestly beileves he doesnt have passport? am worth buttons and have one, this man is supposedly worth 250 million, anyway a do think he will save us


john cass {Ed014's Note - 85% of Americans don't have passports.Not many of them need them.It has nothing to do with wealth,Americans don't need to leave USA very often.Miller won't have a a passport.

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Look, Miller is not some kind of football philantropist like Whelan (at Wigan) or even Tom Farmer. It's a business proposition and you can be sure that, like Whyte, it's structured in a way that ensures he doesn't lose any money and will hopefully gain some through various deals.

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06 May 2012 01:02:14
Please anyone who can save us is the right one, Wee will tow s£ite as long as we are saved. you are a sad lot. More worried history than saving your club you deserve all that get in life.......b

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He's right, we the fans have absolutely no right to anything.
If theres a Rangers that is newco and plays football that's good. They've bankrupted the old company with 273 creditors and didn't pay taxes. We don't deserve that old co history.

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Ehhh what? that had all the hallmarks of the ravings of a bitter little gibbon.be a good monkey and leave the chat to the grown ups.jeez man,your a poisonus troll.take up a hobby,do something else apart from worrying about the gers and being so spiteful.
drumlad

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Get a life. We want someone to save us. Correct. What's the alternative? Someone to ruin us?

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It's our history that makes us the club we are.

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If Millers plan works the club will be saved. If you are suggesting that we deserve this then I tip my Bowler at you, as most of your ilk think that we don't deserve this. Rangers will never die! WATP!

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I'm noticing these rumours are actually becoming hate filled digs. Gone is the mickey taking and wind ups which were at times humorous. Now its pure hatred once again. Something is obviously not going to plan for the others.

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I noticed that too about the change in the mood of the Celtic fans, Gone is the humour replaced with hate. After reading today about the Newco getting no further punishmeant with a yes vote, I thought I would check on the Goblin's blog, and he was spewing, one long rant about the old stuff like Manchester etc etc etc, and the sort of one sided tosh that makes one look like a bigot. I really do feel that the once confident Celtic club and some of it's more rabid fans are now showing signs of fear that we wont die via their hate filled rants. Also fed up hearing about us winning the leagues with an unfair advantage, whilst Celtic f.c and the others try to gain an advantage over us, a bit rich that I think with this in mind Celtics title win must be tainted...Catweazle-talkingbone.

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Catweazle please explain how the title is tainted davie c

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Davie c as I said above if Celtic minded people think Rangers were trying to gain advantage over your team, then Celtics attempts at getting us points deducted to gain an advantage is no better, so going by the way you lot go on the title must be tainted. My own opinion is that we went into administration so had no complaints about the 10 point deduction for this season, but thats all the help your getting, no more free passes to the CL. Oh and another thing rather than being a tainted title I prefer to think of this years competition as being de valued..Catweazle-talkingbone.

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