Rangers Rumours Archive August 03 2012

 

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03 Aug 2012 18:14:03
Gregory Vignal is a free agent. McCoist to seek talks with his agent to see if he would be interested in a move.

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We already had um back in 04 did a decent job then right enough!

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Just texted him to see if there is any substance to this rumour. I spoke to him three weeks ago and he says he is fully fit. Was shocked to hear the state we are in. He did ask me how we were fixed in the left back position.

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03 Aug 2012 16:11:07
Craig Beattie wants to sign for the bears...herd it straight from the horses mouth last night. This ain't a joke I wad at a wedding with him yestarday in Ayr...WATP

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You will make a lovely couple.

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Lies lies and more lies

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Funny a was in birmingham last night guess wuo i was talking too?

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Why where you at a weddin with a horse?

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Erm if he wanted to sign for them... Wouldnt he therefore sign for them?? And therefore be signed?

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Love how use have all shot this guys rumour down , beattie was in ayr at a wedding yesterday

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Who was getting married

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Above post= brilliance

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Really haha? I know him. He trains in my boxin club. Left lastnight sayin he was going to watch golf. You sure your not telling porkies ma man haha? He did tell me his agent had been talking to green past couple if days though mate. And I suppose it's very plausible that he went to a wedding after it.
Dtp89

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Don't know how true this story is, but I am from Ayr and there was talk going around that Beattie was about so it is possible

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03 Aug 2012 16:13:52
not a rumour just a thought... remember, for division 3 and 2 folks... Luis Boa Morte? free agent, last at orlando pirates, African team. they can't have paid him tonnes. hes 35, he would do a job? just a thought.
WATP Stevemac

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Marcus Rosenberg used to play for werder Bremen and Ajax also a free agent what about him much better player

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I doubt a swedish international will go to div 3 mate!

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We ve already got some internationals in the team!!!

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Orlando Pirates and african football pay ridiculous wages! Remember Tshabalala who Gers were interested in? He laughed at what we wanted to offer him in terms of wages. Can't see this happening unless he takes a dramatic cut in wages

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03 Aug 2012 14:07:12
ESPN announces deal to show SPL and Rangers live
03 August 12 13:51

ESPN has followed Sky by announcing it has agreed a deal to show live Scottish Premier League games this season - and Rangers games in Division Three.
Under the deal, 30 SPL games will be shown on ESPN over the season, as well as 10 involving Rangers.
Three of Rangers games will be from their own stadium at Ibrox.
More to follow.

So that's a SKY deal and a 5 year ESPN deal. Well done Doncaster and Lawwell, the game's in good shape.

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Sky and ESPN don't do walking away like some predicted.

Life after Rangers1872.

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God bless Peter Lawwell; saviour of the Scottish game.

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Sorry dont agre the games in god shape. According to reports sky paid 17 million pounds less to spl and they had to pay 1million to sfl for the rights for gers matches. Thats not a good deal in any ones terms. And the losers are scottish clubs, all of them. Whole thing has been handled patheticaly, by all concerned.

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Its not life after Rangers you nugget! The TV companies would only sign up because they could show Rangers Games no Rangers no TV DEAL!!!!!!

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So espn show a total of 40 games fae scotland of which a quarter r rangers 1's. kinda shows where the interest is :) an of the sky deal it works out at 10m per season between the spl, yeh gr8 deal pmsl. u's can't do without us, simples

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17 million over 5 year is around 3.1 million a year less take away the 3 million rangers took out and its only around a million a year less considering no rangers and no old firm games i dont see how anyone can say this is not a cracking deal a lot more than anyone could have expected

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Doncaster has come out saying a small amount of TV money has been lost to the game. And that the scaremongering ( by himself) was worse case scenario. Which didn't happen. He urges fans to buy tickets to help clubs make up the small shortfall.
No meltdown and 6 SPL teams going into liquidation as a lot of posters in here wished for. Life goes on with a minor blip without Rangers.

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The game is in good shape, Doncaster is on the record saying there is a minimal drop in revenue(tv). But urging fans to make up the difference, which they are. 60,000 at Celtic park for unfurling the flag for sure.
Rangers now piling money into SFL and div3 in particular. Got to be good for the game.

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Cant help but wonder about the tv deal and the way the organisations that made such a fuss about having to know all the details of directors, future investors, business plans etc and told us all about honesty, openness transparency etc have only revealed the length of the deals, the games etc bein shown NOTHING about the cash being gained, any opportunity for brodcasters clauses to withdraw if bears not back up in 3 years or indeed opportunity to increase the terms should the leagues be restructured at any point ! I aint saying that we should alter the structure for our sake (dont want that !) but surely if nothing else the circus over the past few months has shown that we need ONE body for governing the game in Scotland and time to have league one to four end of with all clubs working to promote the game and not self interest - ok Timothy yes we were guilty of self-interest in the past (with yourselves) take the opportunity away whilst the voting structure in the spl allows and realise we all need each other but thats prob another post subject for later

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It is a good deal for the rest of Scottish football. Better than expected. As for Gers, they'll take your subscriptions and viewing figures...you'll get next to nothing in return.

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I am sure there will be a clause that will kick in if/when Rangers get promoted to SPL. It will probably then increase the income significantly. So therefore, a tv contract for Scottish football with the promise of more £££ when/if Rangers get back to the top table. Coisty09

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The games in good shape ? .... Are you for real ? Living in a time warp mate - let's see what you say come November with your 20 odd thousand at Celtic Park, whether you have 40 thousand STs or not - Dr Who hasn't a look in on you .....

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One regulatory body would be a complete disaster in Scotland. Take for instance the Rangers situation alone. If it was just the SFA nothing would have been done and the old football club would still be in the SPL. Everything directed by Campbell Ogilvie.
The democracy in action of the SPL chairmen voting and the SFL chairmen voting delivered justice alone. There should never have been a vote, existing regulations dictate liquidation results in out of SPL and SFL entry at div3.
One regulatory body will never happen the SFL and SPL will never give up their power.
Celtic won 8 SPL titles and Rangers nicked five and eight second places through cheating. The SFA were duped by Rangers and other bodies are required to provide checks and balances.

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No idea what Dr Who has to do with anything. However Amy Pond was at Celtic park the day and yes she is a wee darling. If Celtic have 40,000 SB what does it matter if 20,000 or 20 turn up? The cash has been paid up front. I also think the Daleks think WATP/D and they get pump at the end as well. Hbhoy.

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Celtic won 8 spl titles hmmm i count 7 to celtic and 7 to rangers

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Where does it state liquidation results in omission from spl? the spl was formed as a league of invitation,promotion to this league has previously been denied to clubs who did not meet the criteria. as for 3years accounts, not sure about this but can only guess this would apply to a completely new football club. the rangers story is there for all to see, every body knows what happened to us and our history is traceable. no precedent for this, no existing rules.clubs who have gone to the wall before were sfl members,so only issue would have been sfa membership.we were thrown to the mob,

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To above you count 7 to celtic and 7 to rangers ?? then why is their only 5 getting stripped you person ? 2000 to 2011 is eleven year ... (7 + 7 = 14) celtic 7 rangers 4 plus the 2012 title = 8 i think its safe to say hmmm you cant count

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03 Aug 2012 12:43:26
Good to see large crowds outside ticket office renewing season tickets and buying east fife tickets come on the true blues get signed up

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Why are people clicking the unblievable? stupid idiots man!!

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Any Idea how many season tickets have been od so far ?

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Your not RENEWING,your buying for the 1st tim,sorry time....lol...timmytim.....hee hee hee....

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As i said yesterday which was not posted....what happens if the independant group find against Rangers and decide that they should be banned for a season of professional football? will all the season book renewals be reinbursed? or will Mr Green walk away with a huge payday? is that what Bomber was pertuding too? also with all the buying or proposed buying of players, how are the club supposed to support this out pouring of money? it does not make sense, have the club NOT learned from the past? bring our youth through and sell them on, that is the business plan that is required.
What you bears think?

Bill

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Seriously I am getting a bit sick and tired of Rangers fans pretending that they are happy in division 3, seriously all this start at the bottom crap is wearing a bit thin.

I know alot of other Rangers fans feel the same.

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Can you guys not see that the wool is being pulled over your eyes,all these new signings,still got your history,club moving forward.rangers are still in deep sh*t its a big cover up and they,re all in it.these guys are going to walk away with your money and you will go back into admin..theres no way you can bring in enough money to run the club,you want to open your eyes and stop digging your heads in the sand hoping it will be alright...cos it wont...gaz.

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Very concerned bear still dont trust green i think we will lose titles and all the fair weather fans will walk away

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Wrong!! Never looked forward to a season as much as this one. No joke! Always like a challenge and this will be one of the hardest.

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30000 season books sold 300 a time wage bill slashed by 10 million.

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There is about 3000 tickets sold from a concerned bear and that is facts.

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Not wishing to be the bearer of doom & gloom but I now have Huge concerns about the finances as the projected figures make no sense whatsoever .. we could sell out every home game and still make a loss based on our wage structure alone ........ where's the outlay being justified from ? perplexed doesn't begin to cover my feelings right now .

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Get behind the team theres 11 bears going out to play in ibrox on tuesday night support them!

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03 Aug 2012 10:47:00
Am I missing something here or is it just the wool being pulled over all our eyes.
Green, as a condition of getting the SFA's licence for his new club agreed for the new club 1) The Rangers Football Club Ltd
Company No. SC425159
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 29/05/2012 to be responsible for the debt of the old club 2) RFC 2012 PLC
Company No. SC004276
Status: In Administration
Date of Incorporation: 27/05/1899 which was £4m. Do you also remember in his glossy brochure in the small print that his £5.5m for the assets were to be a loan? £8m all in including interest due in 2020?!

That's £12m debt already and we've barely kicked a ball; no withstanding the enormous £7,000 a week contracts he's handing out?

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He is banking on being back in restructured SPL next season. Big gamble, if it doesn't happen we could be bust again next summer and I don't think these new players will stick around after next summer either, so another exodus in the middle of a transfer embargo.

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Spot on.This debt free,clean balance sheet is a myth.the money will be owed to Greens backers,all thats happening now is a large tab being run up.Season books to keep afloat,share issue to appeal to buyers.A con job.

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Well spoted,newco has a very good chance of being liquidated,ffs stop listening and reading the bull.open your minds or its complete DEATH.....................

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When you put it like that it doesnt look too good at all.Season tickets aren't selling anywhere near what they have been in previous years and poor sales of the home jersey and no away or third kit yet?After Audi stopped their sponsership and took all their cars back I wonder how many more will follow?Is that why the home kit was brought out in May . . . because they had already been manufactured and there was no way we'd be playing in that kit? Different sponsers / no 5*'s etc?

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Yep. I already posted my views on finance on Banter page. Loaning the club 5.5 million NOT investing, loan secured on real estate of club. Nice, lend 5 million and either get 8 million back or a damn site more by flogging the stadium and all other assets that the loan was secured on. Thats the way I see it. Not an investor, more a carpetbagger?? And when it all goes wrong (as seems to be the way certain folk like to conduct business) then dearie me, we have to dissovle the club and strip the assets. Are we being gubbed? {Ed001's Note - most club owners do the same, look at Everton, every penny they have spent in recent years has been a loan from directors. Very few owners expect nothing back from their investment.}

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I'll never be back to Ibrox.I said that after liquidation, you're no telling me that this is the club I was brought up supporting 40 years ago.

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Aye,that's the debt we know about,how much is Murray,Green and them all taking out the club too when it's trying to establish itself.

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Mate there are questions that need to be asked but everyone is to interested in who Rangers next signing will be.

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When Charles Green lodges his first accounts at companies house, everyone will pour over them with a fine tooth comb.
Nobody can understand that every employee is still there after admin, liquidation, a Newco and then third div football! Where's the money coming from?

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Fed up hearing negativity like this. If you don't like it then just stay away, you and your likes will not be missed. The biggest obstacle that may prevent us getting back to where we belong, is the supporters not getting on board. If you have a better solution to the current position then please let us know. It certainly isn't the former legends who buried their heads in the sand whilst our club was dying. Rant over. C'mon Gers fans lets just get behind the team and enjoy our climb back to the top of the tree.

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Green and his investors stand to make a fortune for what looks like a very small investment. Its just a business opportunity for these people, why do we supporters not want to be OWNERS too! They must be laughing at us.

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Typical! All you Gers fans believe the worst scenarios! So negative!

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Well Ed001s. That was my point entirely, it is a loan not an investment. A loan where he can turn around and demand his money back with interest or take a claim on the assets instead (I am sure they are worth a dman site more than 5.5 million, as MR green and Co. know full well). An investor is someone who pumps money in hoping to turn a company into making a profit, then either selling on a going concern or sitting back and reaping his share of the profit. What we have here seems to be carpet bagging come asset stripping. Or? I am not against business men making profut, but not like this. {Ed001's Note - it is investment, do you not understand what the word actually means? You invest money to get a return, they have invested money, in the form of a loan, in order to get more money back. Do you think an investment is gifting the money? Because, if you do, you are so far wide of the mark it is unreal!}

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Funny how he incorporated a new company before the CVA was rejected and liquidation inevitable!

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Administration beckons yet again! You can't run a club like this ..... Jeez!!

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Listen to you all, firstly you dont have a clue about business, the 5.5 million paid for the assests were paid cash saving 3.3 million the 3 million outstanding to other clubs through transfer fees has been agrred by all thoughs being owed, nothing has been borrowed against the club, that was part of the takeover, the blue knights, Kennedy they wanted to borrow against the club and where told to wind their necks in. THE ASSETS WHERE BOUGHT CASH. The club has vast investment coming in from mant legal above board sourses. Stop being negative and start supporting the team let the people who deal with money deal with it YOU LOT JUST GET ON WITH SUPPORTING THE TEAM, rant over!!!

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Wasnt a requirement to get a license that charles green provided proof of investments n all that nonesense we have got a license so he must have been able to prove he has money or is the sfa just overlooking that people need to get a grip n give him a chance

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Right,, I'm a Celtic fan, I can't believe all the moaning coming from a lot of rangers fans about this, firstly, if it wasn't for mr green, you wouldn't have a team on the park playing football. He was the only one that came forward with cold hard cash, and the balls to take on a massive club with massive problems. Secondly, it seems he wants to make sure his Buisness is a viable one that makes a profit for its investors (what's the problem with that ?) and thirdly, would you rather be sitting at home watching other teams on the telly and reminiscing about the days when you used to go to the footy to watch your team, or actually watching them trying to get back to where they should be (before all the dodgy dealings of murray and whyte) in the spl fighting it out with Celtic for the title every season ? Just saying like

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Craig Whyte too appeared to have cold hard cash!

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Above post, yes was paid cash but it's listed in balance sheet as a repayable LOAN.

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Listen see at the end of the day! This is what fans all over the world for ever club do..... They pour Their money into their clubs. Why this negative post! If he's in to make money then so be it! He has kept Rangers alive and if we r alive for 140 more then he has saved rangers! Give him the money and go support the rangers as we are supposed to do! It's our duty! So get up of ur armchairs n go buy a season ticket rather than post such negative comments about our club

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In reply to poor season book sales were at 35k and counting not bad for a 3rd division outfit ... Where do you get your figures from craigy boy whyte !!
East fife on Tuesday then sunny Peterhead can't wait for it this is the best thing that could have happened !!

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He didn't save Rangers, his CVA was rejected! He bought a stadium, carpark and training grounded the proceeded to call them The Rangers.

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Ed001. Re: Investment for profit versus Carpet Bagging. Do you bother reading posts before commenting on them. I never mentioned a "gift" I talked about Investing to truely turn a company into a going profit making concern. Not to loan money in order to gain control of a business with the intention of flogging its assets which you got for no money down. read the posts please. {Ed001's Note - can you read? Because clearly you haven't understood a thing I said. When an investor invests, do you know how often that is done as a loan? Obviously not. People watch Dragon's Den a few times and think all business is done like that!}

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03 Aug 2012 09:58:02
Reports in Greece claim that Pantelis Kafes is close to agreeing a two-year deal worth £7,000 a week with Rangers.

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Kafes not been offered contract interest in him is over.

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Why are rangers considering paying 7 grand a week wages remember gretnas prblems when they paid players 700 a week , third div prices £10 if rangers get 30000 every home game thats 300000 or 150000 a week 10 players at 7 grand thats 70 rangers still have players at the club who are on more add on all other bills and bankrupcy awaits

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Reports close to me say that he has "walked away", back home to Greece by all accounts!

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Rangers are at it again they are trying to cheat there way back to the spl by paying wages they can't afford yet rangers fans will support it ! another gretna 20 million dept before you get back .

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03 Aug 2012 09:41:06
Not a rumour but could anyone please tell me if id be able to buy a season ticket (first time) how much it would be and where is best seat ?? Thanks

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Aye, there's about 49,500 seats available mate, best getting one near an exit so you can easily 'walk away' and you'll get one for about the price of a decent night out, £200.

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Go the the The Rangers website at www.rangers.co.uk and fill in an enquiry / contact form or telephone the club on the number provided on the website. New /All /Any applications will be accepted / considered by the club from 14th August I believe . The club are currently dealing with existing season ticket holder applications.

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Available from 14august either online or at ticket office adult £281. Concession £188 juvenile £68 proof of age for concession and juvenile required welcome to ibrox

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Lol how could anybody click unbelievable on this honestly there really is some muppets on here and considering there's more uns than believables it's still apparent than there are still more muppets from the dark side than rangers fans on this site honestly there obsession just grows stronger and stronger everyday

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KEEP spending money with nothing coming in and you could buy the newco for price of a season book.........is there no reality out there?

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I'm sure they go on general sale on the 14th mate!

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Best seat depends wat ur after best viewing point govan rear my opinion best atmosphere bf2 nxt to the blue order in bf1 u have to ask the blue order if u want to sit in bf1 rangers cant give u a ticket there

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'Aye, there's about 49,500 seats available mate, best getting one near an exit so you can easily 'walk away' and you'll get one for about the price of a decent night out, £200.'

This makes me laugh. You guys should take the green-tinted glasses off! From what I've been reading lately, you and your own fans should concentrate on your own team because there seems to be enough of you bleating on about season book refunds cos there's no Rangers matches, cos your season book prices have gone up and because the child prices have doubled! And that from the so called 'best fans in the world'?! Please! Don't make me laugh mate. The saying is true...you only sing when you're winning! You're only happy when things are going your way. The song should really say... Celtic fans- The most fickle fans in the World! And that's FACT! Go back to your own site, concentrate on your own team and hope and pray you do what you claim you will do! Your bleats are boring us all now...FACT! J

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Im gonna buy ticket when i can, find best atmosphere and keep goin there. Cmon the true blues, we are rangers, bluebear

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If your gen up mate, sit with the blue order! I was there at ibrox last season when we done Celtic 3-2, you will never sit on your seat but the atmosphere is the best you will find in the world. No s**t! WATP

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03 Aug 2012 08:54:31
Rangers offer trial to 17 year old English right back midfielder Elliot Kebbie. Currently plays for Atletico Madrid, was massive in the press because he snubbed Man United and Everton to go to Spain. Looks as though they are releasing him.
Looks quality, snap him up for a few grand a week, would definitely do us a job if United wanted him, and if he was at Leeds for 10 years. Leeds quality is a lot better than SFL division 3 quality so dont slate him saying hes crap, hes a great prospect :)

WATP Stevemac

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Was at Leeds for 10 years? What age was he when he joined them? A few grand a week? Where's that going to come from?

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A 17 year old for 'a few grand a week'? Have you learned nothing about financing a football club?

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Joined when he was 7 mate. he made his way through leeds youth ranks. Atletico Madrid paid 500k for his youth fee. the few grand a week will come from the same place the few grand a week that pays Ian Black, Lee Mcculloch, Neil Alexander and all the rest of the pros in the team. We are close to signing Pantelis Kafes for 7k a week.

He is definately worth it. He is absolutely rapid as well, does 100m in 10.7 seconds! Bombing down the wing would do us well.

WATP Stevemac

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The same place that pays Ian Black 7k a week....

Remember Gers have lost 22 players since January worth about 15-16m in wages, they can afford a few grand a week.

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Athletico Madrid to Scottish div 3. Need I say more?

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Amazed at the stupidity of some. We cannot afford a few grand a week, well not in the long term anyway. How short are some people's memories? Spending money we didn't have is what got us in this mess.

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So far he hasn't played a first team game for Athletico, is this a loan deal or have they released him? Seems an odd move otherwise.

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This is the the the type of forward thinking we should be doing in the 3rd div good stuff ally

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Better with Alex Keddie

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03 Aug 2012 02:03:56
RANGERS have given Atletico Madrid winger Elliot Kebbie the chance to win a move to Ibrox.

17 year old English lad, suppose to be very fast!

Source: Daily Express {Ed013's Note - If he signs, Leeds will be due compensation due to him coming through their youth system}

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Im not so sure about the compensation ed, in the report it says that athletico paid Leeds compensation so why would we pay Leeds again

Drewrfc {Ed013's Note - If that is correct then the legend that is Ken Bates will have pocketed it! I will look into this as I am sure it is the club that sign him on a professional contract has to pay Leeds. He only went to Atletico last season}

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Hi ED, supposedly Leeds Utd already recieved compensation when Atletico Madrid lured him away, would we still have to pay if that was the case? {Ed013's Note - No mate, any money would go to Atletico}

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Thanks for the negative spin on this story, Really helpful.

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"the CHANCE to WIN a move to Ibrox". Not exactly up there with Euro-millions.

Anyway, Div3, 17-year-old ... nah. {Ed013's Note - He is a great prospect}

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Why not div 3 at 17. Three years to get back to the spl and rangers will still get plenty media cover so by the time he's twenty rangers will be back in spl one good season in the spl and he could get a move to a big club down south. And if he is good enough he will get games at rangers

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As far as i know it's just a loan spell.(Maybe with a chance to sign)

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Wow! What a big draw for the young lad, leave Athletico Madrid for The mighty 3rd Division The Rangers. Are we deluded here. Giving up the sun to earn a pittance playing in front of 3000 people every other week in the rain and getting lumps kicked out of you. Sign Up, Sign Up! Ohhh, the glamour.

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Can just see the cream of european under 23s wanting to play on un-heated scottish pitches in the midst of winter.... we there are warmer climes, with heated pitches on offer.... NOT!

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So we are supposed to get excited about signing a 17year old to play in Div 3.I'm surprised it's not front page news in all the papers

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Isnt there a rule about compensation not being an absolute certainty if the player moves to a team in another country? Maybe wrong but sure there is something about this out there. Oh, "Thanks for the negative spin on this story, Really helpful.". You are a moron. This is a FORUM. People see things and comment, thats how it works. Hang on though, Ed, can you please ask people not to make any comments just in case this half wit decides they are "negative" and moans like a 10 year old school girl who dropped her lolly.

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Athletico paid 500000 for him

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Hope this is true, Barcelona were after him a year ago according to the Mail and he was dubbed as one of Englands best prospects for the future, I live in Wakefield near Leeds and Im involved in youth football, people I know in the Leeds academy have said he wants to go back there but he cant due to contract restrictions so Ive no Idea how we can afford him then ?

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I remember a 16 year old scoring the winner in a cup final,does dj ring a bell

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03 Aug 2012 00:41:09
Elliot Kebbie was training with us yesterday.

17 years old

winger

english

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Thought he joined Atletico Madrid in May?

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Div3

You're having a giraffe !

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03 Aug 2012 00:50:36
Rangers: SPL appoint commission to investigate payments
02 August 12 18:23 GMT

The Scottish Premier League have appointed an independent commission to rule on Rangers' alleged use of employee benefits trusts from 2000-11.
The Ibrox club's use of the scheme was the subject of a tax tribunal, which has yet to deliver a verdict.
EBTs were administered by the company that formerly ran Rangers and is now in the process of being liquidated.
The SPL say the commission will determine whether Rangers acted "in breach of the relevant SPL rules".
And a spokesman added: "In the event that the independent commission decides that such breach or breaches occurred the independent commission will have powers to determine what sanctions, are appropriate."

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Every man and his dug knows Rangers cheated with hidden contracts and offshore tax free payments through the channel islands. The issue is whether the jewells get taken off the theives (titles), thereafter, punishments, because re- awarding titles to rightful owners is not punishment.
It appears that Rangers were chasing Celtic throughout the SPL years and resorted to financial cheating to try and keep up with the champions. The truth is Celtic won 12 SPL titles in a row fair and square.

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SPL confirm investigation into claims Rangers paid players through EBTs

02 August 2012 19:19 BST

Ibrox: Rangers have fiercely resisted attempts to launch an EBT investigation.
The SPL has appointed an independent commission to investigate whether Rangers breached its rules in the way it paid its players over more than a decade.

The commission will determine whether the club breached the SPL's rules in relation to alleged EBT payments and arrangements for players between 2000 and 2011.

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Rangers cheated 5 titles to try and keep up with Celtic. Rangers titles were 'won' by goal difference or one or two points only. Marginal.
Meanwhile Celtic have won 8 titles and were always the dominant force.
In truth, Celtic won all 13 titles.

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Love the 'celtic done 12 in a row' rubbish.

Put the gluebag down, step away from the computer and get help!!

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No contract in the world wins a competition - the players do! The fact that Rangers won 5 SPL titles between 2001-2011 is because the team of players they had played better than any other SPL club.

The boardroom staff may have cheated the Taxman, but the players don't deserve to be stripped of the medals they had to work hard for.

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"The truth is Celtic won 12 SPL titles in a row fair and square"
Wake up, your hallucinating

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Usual dark side sh*t!

who are they going to apply sanctions against ? they have pushed us into the 3rd Div as a newco- so again WHO? are they going to apply sanctions against?

bil72

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In truth there are no "rightful owners", if Rangers are no rightful owners. Rangers often won them by a street. The right thing to do is leave history alone and move on. A paper-title would mean nothing.

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Bill, really? Pushed into the third division? You applied as a new club and were accepted into the third, nothing more nothing less. The sanction would be against the oldco, most probably a stripping of illegally gained titles. Pedro

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Nobody pushed The Rangers into the 3rd Division. They r a new company and the rules state that they must start in that division. Why do people find this difficult to understand! LL

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Old co won there last league with the huge help of a guy called jelavic.Dont think they payed for him,is that cheating?The players who had duel contract,some of them any way,must have known it was dodgy,but said zilch,if oldco had not CHEATED,THEN MOST OF THESE PLAYERS WOULD NEVER HAVE PLAYED FOR OLD CO.So how can you say oldco won these leagues fair and square.This WILL GO DOWN AS THE MOST SHAMEFUL ERA IN HISTORY,WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND STOP READING TRAYNOR,KING ETC OR LISTENING TO THE MUPPETS LIKE DALZIEL.....

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Well bil72, its pretty simple, your CEO, one Charles Green surrendered to the SFA in order to secure membership, part of him surrendering was that The Rangers would pay Rangers1872 footballing debt, circa £4M (thats on top of the £8.5M he's already saddled the new club with).

Theyre coming to take them away, ha ha, he he

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Rangers saved around £50m by only including a fraction of what they were actually paying the team for playing in the contract. And they still got themselves over £50m in debt by the time MIH had to underwrite a disastrous share issue. Do you lot think they really would have had the same players that won they titles if they had disclosed all payemnts and paid the full amoutn of tax? IF they had then they would have been £100m odd in debt years ago.

The club benefitted from the scam to the tune of 5 SPL titles because they concealed side contracts promising that they were entitled to the side payments for playing. The side contracts where not registered with the authorities because that would mean admitting that they were payments and not tax exempt loans. So the players were not correctly registered and therefore not elligible. And that's the headshot.

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They will apply penalties against the old Rangers, which I'd assume will be the stripping of honours won - titles and cups - for the period in question.

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SPL punishment for improperly registered players has already been set with Livingston - SPL deemed the issue a technicality which didn't effect matches to any degree and the punishment was a fine.

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Oldco Rangers 1899, will be stripped of the titles, but that's setting the record straight, not a punishment at all.
Green's Newco will then have to shoulder punishments including fines and points dropping. Div 3 for years.

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If the EBTs were illegal/against the SFA rules then the players in receipt of them will be deemed ineligible. In that case, each match where an ineligible player was on the team sheet will be recalculated as a 0-3 defeat and league points re-awarded accordingly.

I bet the results of these calculations are already known at the SPL, SFA and Ibrox.

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If it is decided that there was dual contracts then it would be fair and proper to award any flags or cups to the runners up and alter the record books accordingly. {Ed001's Note - why would it be fair and proper? If Rangers didn't go through to the final, then a different team would have faced the runners up and they might have won it. If they are stripped, they should be just stripped, end of.}

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Couldn't believe the SFL CEO guy saying he's not looking at stripping the league cups won during the period. I'm guessing his board and the SFL chairmen will put him right on that.
Once the SPL strip titles and Scottish cups and then the high court find EBTs illegal and award HMRC, the league cups will have to go to deliver integrity of the historical records in Scotland.

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The Scottish Premier League have appointed an independent commission?
Just a query. If the commission is SPL appointed, can it really be described as independent?

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We dont need your dodgy titles ... by making them void celtic will be on 8 in a row the gaps in between will be void but still show an un broken run of 8 from celtic so we will WIN ten in a row in jig time ... its better to have earned titles and not received them than receive them and not have earned them

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Accidentally falling foul of the correct registration process for one or two players (eg Livingston) is a completely different issue to a board taking the strategic decision to pay themselves the managing and coaching staff and players offshore, tax free, to win competitions and also not disclose those payments systematically for 83 people over 11 years is totally different to Livi.

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Ed, your flawed logic only works for cups and not SPL titles.
The cleanest thing to do with cups is to award them to the finalist team.
Rogue club Rangers caused all these problems for Scottish football but at some point common sense has to kick in. The records need to be set straight and Scotland needs a champion for those years. {Ed001's Note - no it doesn't, you are just trying to get your own team some titles it didn't win. There is no way of knowing if another club wouldn't have stepped up back then, it is impossible to say. It is not logic, it is truth, your logic is flawed and biased due to your desire to get your own team some trophies.}

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So who should appoint it to make it 'independent' ? Oor Wullie ? I suggets you learn what is meant by saying it will be 'independent'.

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Until the 'old Rangers' are found guilty all discussion is hypothetical. If they are found guilty I would not want any trophies transferred to my club. They should be null and void. Hbhoy.

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A simple fact ,,,EBT's are not illegal in the eyes of the law,,people who have been lynched have not always been guilty ,,leave hysterics out of the debate

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Ed your beginning to sound like a child now,face reality if Rangers cheated the trophie's should be awarded to the runner's up.You sound like the watp brigade.
Tam {Ed001's Note - I am not the child wanting something I didn't earn! Give it a rest, IF they cheated, the titles should be stripped, but that is all that should happen. I sound nothing like the WATP brigade, I sound like someone who isn't so pathetic they want to win at any cost. I just know if it was my team that had finished second, I would rather not have the titles that were stripped from someone else, it would feel hollow.}

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Ed your logic applies to cup competitions it doesn't apply to the SPL league over a complete season. Rangers didn't knock anybody out of the SPL at earlier rounds! Gettit? Recalculating the SPL with 0-3 wins for the opposing team if illegally fielding players is easily done. The honest winner of those titles could be proved beyond any doubt. And it wouldn't be paper titles either, try telling all the professional players who should have winners medals but got cheated out of them that it's paper titles. {Ed001's Note - but it wouldn't work like that, you are missing the point that other teams might have scented a chance of victory and gone that extra mile. They might have found the money to sign a player that made a difference in a match against you. Your logic is flawed and far too simplified, like your thinking really. You have no concept of anything other than Rangers and Celtic, like most Old Firm fans. You think it is all that matters, because in recent years your greed has destroyed all the other teams. But when this started, when the alleged cheating began, Celtic weren't head and shoulders above the rest. There is no way to say how it would have affected the following years, if Rangers hadn't been up there. My logic is based on intelligent thinking, yours is based purely on being a Celtic fan wanting some extra trophies.}

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