Rangers Rumours Archive May 31 2012

 

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31 May 2012 23:51:08
For what its worth (and I am not making this one up)
The Blue Knights are waiting in the wings.
If the Green 'Consortium' walks away the BK are back in.
But its Liquidation. The plan is they will buy an existing SFL club and relocate to Ibrox. There is already a shortlist
drawn up (seriously). Cowdenbeath are the internet rumour. But I have info that shows Dumbarton have a bigger chance.

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The Bloo Nits can go whistle as far as im concerned! They had their chance. All talk and not enough action.Kenny McG

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Why would they buy another club, they set up a newco. This does not make ant sense, why pay for the assets, then buy a club in a lower division, when a newco can go to SPL.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

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It is my understanding that Green can buy the assets if a CVA can't be accepted so the BK are on to Mr Plumb!

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Not as ridiculous as the last poster suggests. No guarantee a Newco would get in SPL and it looks even more likely as the days pass as we are starting to piss off those who were sympathetic just a few weeks back. Straight into Div 1, no debts, no fines, no embargo, most likely back in SPL after a year. Have a think again last poster, not as stupid as it sounds. Btw, who is chairman/owner of Cowdenbeath...coincidence?, make your own mind up.

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I don't believe the rumour but doing it this way would avoid future sanctions to be imposed by SFA/SPL and allow entry in dumbartons league 2nd div if cowdenbeath just promoted to 1st but this sort of newco would wipe out the history of 2 clubs or be Dumbarton Rangers

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1) I could easily imagine groups looking to buy an existing scottish team. There is a great deal of hurdles with a newco that buying an existing club would negate. The 3 years audited accounts, no gurantee a newco will be admitted to SPL anyway and an application would need to be submitted to the 3rd division.

If liquidation was to occur is there enough time to organise a newco, get players, deal with any legal wranglings and seek admission to a league. The season starts very soon there is not enough time left this is why purchading an existing club is starting to look attractive

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If u remember craig s**te was looking at st mirren so maybe its not that farfetched as it seems airdrie did it with clydebank

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Green can give a irrevocable undertaking to buy the assets for £5.5m.
D&P however,cannot guarantee to sell to him.When liquidated,the assets will be sold to the highest bidder.If that's not Green,then so be it.In liquidation,the creditors must come first.

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If a team can apply to spl - then anyone can do this - they only need to own a club with a licence and then apply to spl...

clearly rangers wont be only one apply for newco if newcos are allowed to just apply to the spl

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Green is ready to launch a New Company as soon as the CVA fails, which it's bound to do. The CVA proposal amounts to 0p/£ for the creditors as further admin expenses will be added to the £5.5m already clocked up by D&P plus Green will also be 'borrowing' from his 'syndicate's' £8.5m loan to pay running costs, leaving zero for the creditors.

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I just wish that the people and the authorities dealing with Rangers football club business would act now and let everyone know what the future is for all concerned. It is turning into a complete fiasco. Stop milking it and "DO IT NOW".

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The future is Green and Whyte! {Ed039's Note - Thats original)

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Quote:"I just wish that the people and the authorities dealing with Rangers football club business would act now and let everyone know what the future is for all concerned. It is turning into a complete fiasco. Stop milking it and "DO IT NOW"."
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Agree. The truth should be told. But where is Coisty to ask Green and co for transparency? Looks like he's walked away.

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Anyone who is fed up reading about the mess the SFA and SPL is in and what sanction will or will no be imposed should switch channels to Celtic Rumours. Its all about who they are going to sign and what round of the Champions League they will be seeded in. Real positive stuff. Cheer you up no end.

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The funny thing is Mr Green cannot walk away. It´s a legal commitment that he must buy the club

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Interesting that you would want to be the blue Brazil. What colour would the shirts be?

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Green (AKA Sevco )will buy the club ,lock stock and barrel for £5.5m but the details,while agreed are confidential. Nowwho would bet against there being an escape clause? The man ain't daft.

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31 May 2012 21:39:22
Heard rumors that Brendon Rodgers is keeping tabs on Steven Davis (Fellow Northern Irish man)and could make a possible bid soon. {Ed039's Note - First time I have heard that one, Liverpool might be a touch too much for Davo)

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They have too many average players in midfield anyway. The last thing they need is another inconsistant and over-rated midfielder.

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If Charlie Adam can get a whole season at Liverpool then anything is possible

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He's good for SPL but not up to Liverpool standard plus he might have trouble with his 2 suspect knees.

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Why would he ? Is he trying to make an over rated tit his first signing?

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Adam is better than Davis....

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Surely liverpool already have a coach driver ! that is standard of signings that got dalglish the sack adam, henderson etc 1st division players

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Never in a million years not good enough and will stay at Ibrox no one will come in for him!

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31 May 2012 21:28:58
Just an update for the lads on the Naismith rumours....work with a boy from Stewarton wher Naisy is frm n apparently the wee man was asked on a nite out was he goin to Everton his reply was no he has no interest and jokingly said he would rather sign for than Everton n that is wher the crazy idea of him goin to tims came frm so the lad has made it quite clear his heart is at Ibrox and he will be staying wher he belongs

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Footballers will say anything to keep fans happy, especially if they know some fans will swallow anything they want to hear.

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I heard Barcellona were looking to put in a bid for him ! Craig whyte is also up for a knighthood !
There all going to do walking away ! Very soon Ibrox will be empty as you'll all be out on your ar*es remembering your stolen history !
And wee fat Ally will be taking a 75% pay cut to get back onto question of sport to bore the tits off us again !

AND AS THEY FACE THE FINAL WHISTLE THEY ROBBED US THEIR WAY...

CHEERYBYENOO
BRIGGIES

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Naismith will join everton, 100%, end of story, ok.

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31 May 2012 17:58:38
Hey ed I'm hearing mixed news about Naismith is he off to everton or was it a false rumour started via twitter? {Ed039's Note - Nothing offical but its a rumour that wont go away, Jelavic has been touting him to Moyes)

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Ed039 the eds on the everton page are saying the rumour came from yous {Ed039's Note - Somebody started it, I don't know who, but there was a paper article recently and it was jelavic encouraging moyes to buy him as for the twitter thing I can't find it anywhere)

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Jelavic wants to shut up as he would still be nobody if it wasnt for the gers.

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31 May 2012 16:08:58
hi fellow bears , interesting fact maybe ED can confirm, did,nt celtic take sfa to court over lennons ban ? and leviin not also take civil action against his sfa fine , so why the uproar over rangers taking action ? double standards i think {Ed039's Note - Lennons ban was overturned by the SFA but there were threats of court action but it didnt go to that, I think Levein challenged the SFA for doubling his fine but again I dont think it made the court room)

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Get your facts right nameless poster,.,.kbarry

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Think the difference is that Neil Lennon was represented within the SFA procedure by a QC. So it wasn't like taking the SFA to court. Whereas Rangers stepped outside the SFA process and went to Court

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I think the point being made by the OP, is that if the s.f.a had stood their ground in both these instances they would probably have been taken to court, otherwise what was the point in Celtic time after time turning up at the s.f.a HQ with lawyers...Catweazle-talkingbone.

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Take your punishment and move on. Or there will be no Rangers. Fans like you have turned every Scottish football fan against your club. I truely feel sorry for the proper Rangers fans. Shout these clowns down before its to late.

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There is no point to the OP. The short answer is no.

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ICT are the latest club to speak out about Rangers' action. Another ally bites the dust.
Al

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Craig Levein did take SFA to Court of Session; excerpt from Daily Telegraph article 08 August 2008:

The 43-year-old has previous with the SFA. Five years ago, while manager of Hearts, he refused to pay a fine of £1,000 imposed following remarks he made about the display of referee Dougie McDonald at Kilmarnock.

As a result of his non-payment, then SFA chief executive David Taylor twice doubled the original fine and added a four-month touchline ban. In an unprecedented legal action, Levein won an interim interdict against the SFA at the Court of Session, where Lord MacFadyen ruled that the additional sanctions were unlawful. Hearts paid the £1,000 on Levein's behalf {Ed039's Note - Thank you for clearing that up, although I think the difference is a member of the association and an individual is the thing that is being frowned on upon)

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An individual may take civil action but not member clubs without repercussions because of that action.

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Rangers will be getting their mammies in to stick up for them next time.

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31 May 2012 16:51:23
The SFA are as Scottish footballs governing body Are punishing Rangers for breaking the rules and rightly so so should fifa not punish the SFA for breaking their own rules as the are the SFA's governing body. after all you keep saying that if you break the rules you need to be punished,

Lochaber Bear

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Missing THE POINT AGAIN LB if they hadnt gone down the embargo,what would be the option?not a fine couldnt get a penny,only options relegation,points deductions,not talking 5 or 6,expulsion from sfa expulsion from cup, u tell me.

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The sfa should be grilled not for this case though but for being idioticly run and helping scotland looking like the laughing stock it is, and also no other country would've appointed anyone that had already had run ins with them ie craig
levein(pure diddy manager),.,.kbarry

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LB guys like you are killing us. Celtic fan on tour are you.

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It was proved in court the SFA broke there own rules with the embargo, they made up a punishment that made no sense with the crime, its like getting caught drink driving and getting jailed for theft. its a bit of a crazy comparion i know but thats what they have done. made up a punishment that doesnt relate to the crime. BALLYBOY {Ed001's Note - that is not what happened. They looked at the punishments available and decided they were all either too severe or not severe enough. So they came up with an inbetween option. Judges make rulings all the time on what punishment to provide, setting what is known as a precedent. The only thing that they did wrong was having the set punishments laid out in writing. Otherwise it was all standard legal practice.}

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I wonder what Timmy has for a backup on a Tuesday or Wednesday night....HAW HAW

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No LB, you are missing the point. The Judge considered it correct to punish Rangers but, in his opinion he felt that the punishment had to be pre written. This is where law is complicated. Another Judge, Lord Carloway disagrees. He feels the line "or whatever punishment deemed necessary" (or words to that effect) allowed the judicial panel to come up with this. Im a critic of the SFA but it is pretty clear that this is a legal argument between 2 top judges. I'm not clear which is correct, only which had the last word. Many laws are settled on legal precendent and often top lawyers and Judges do not agree on rulings. Its a complicated ruling but the SFA havent a case to answer. The SFA wont appeal but they could do and it is equally possible they'd win. It remains the case that this could cost Rangers and/or Scottish football.

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Celtic fan in peace (for once lol) I do agree the SFA should indeed be punished for handing out a punishment that was not in the rules of our governing body. But I honestly do believe FIFA and UEFA are going to push the SFA to punish Rangers hard for taking the matter to and outside court and if the SFA decide on a Scottish Cup ban I think this may be deemed to lenient in which FIFA and UEFA will step in

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Going to court was the worst thing Rangers could have done, FIFA will be pulling the SFA strings now, Rangers will be hammered hard, I can see them being suspended from the game, whoever is pulling the strings at Ibrox has just scored a massive own goal.

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Its the worst thing duff and flebs done we will be hit hard talk about own goals lets just take the punishment and get it over with sick to death rangers fan

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If you think the suspense is kiling you wait till they bring in the sentence for the EBT cases! You'll think capital punishment was clemency.

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31 May 2012 15:46:32
see all thee other clubs giving it they are dissapointed in rangers taking the transfer embargo to court, I would love to see the reactions of there clubs if it was them. its funny how no one is dissapointed at the SFA for giving a rule that didnt exist.

BROXI 1872

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Ure spot on its the sfa fault not rangers they made up a rule that dont exsist

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SFA = making rules up as it goes along = sporting integrity ?

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The other clubs will be more than 'disappointed' if UEFA kick SFA out of all competitions especially since they have broken rules.

The rule does exist it is the punishment that does not exist, excluding the 'any other punishment deemed...' part of the rule.

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Hector fan, if any other club had committed the offences that Rangers did (all be it was your directors), they would have said thanks, now lets just stomach and get on with it..... one year of misery against what might now happen, tagged with the SPL report to be made on the 16th June regarding double contracts, I think the depth of the pile of sh#t Rangers are in is just getting deeper.

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If ANY other team in the SPL had delivered 20% of the quantum of Rangers' offences, that team would be out of the SPL.

Only Rangers could do so much damage and still be in the SPL. {Ed039's Note - I half agree, the old firm would get away with it IMO)

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Some of us are indeed disappointed that the SFA attempted to be so lenient

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Can see the next mark daley show with the title THE CLUB THAT KILLED SCOTTISH FOOTBALL.

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Governing bodies in football are a joke. Never accept their own responsibility. They'll give us a 1-2 year ban from the Scottish Cup and an increased fine. Yes we are in the wrong but punish us with the proper rules.

And we don't need FIFA to throw us out the World Cup, Levein will do that job quite comfortably!

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Rangers were on the panel that agreed that in cases a independant board shoul.d be assighned to over see the punishment for crimes that have not got a set punishment and were one of the ones that agreed that the panel should stay secret ,the only reason that mcoist and rangers pursude the names of the panel was hopeing that lawwell was one so they could defect it on to him and celtic ,yous realy dont understand what trouble rangers are realy in if you think the year embargo was hard wait see what fifa have in plan

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So true my friend! Trying to impose sanctions well above their capabilities! They had every right to take them to court! What would of happened, had we found in the future, that the SFA had no right to embargo us? We'd be suing them!

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If rangers had paid all the clubs that they owe the money due regarding transfers they could argue the point. As they are obviously not going to i think the embargo is fair.
67coatbridge

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You guys just don't don't get it if the maximum sanctions were imposed then you would be kicked out but that was thought to be too severe. however as usual you have made a mess of it big time, there will now be tougher sanctions and you now what you deserve everything that comes your way. as an aside the consortium of 20 now turns out to be a loan! you couldn't write the script.

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Rangers are owed more In transfer fees than they owe out

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Maybe these "Diddy" clubs are learning to be as selfish as the "mighty" Glasgow Rangers.

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Yes they should punish you with proper rules like kicking you out all together ! Only problem they bottled it the first time !

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31 May 2012 13:29:27
This is a bit of a rant but can people please stop going on about Gattuso signing if the ban gets lifted!! He was a decent player but he has got on a bit, so I don´t see what the big deal is. If we get the ban lifted then we should go for young SPL players that can do it in the long run i.e. Russell, Murphy, Templeton etc.... They are all pretty talented and would probably cost less than 2m so if the ban was to get lifted then I´d go for them. Long way away though. Thoughts Ed??

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With any young players you need experience, gattuso has that. {Ed039's Note - however unrealistic it may be)

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Rangers have no money, irrespective of the ban being removed. Green has no money, he's relying on RFC fans ST money for running costs, not buying players. Plus tomorrow the players start walking and any fees for them will alos be used for running costs. You guys just don't get it. The Green gang have no intention of spending their own money on RFC.

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The sense of delusion really is astounding....2M on youth?

Get real man.

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Mate you don't win a world cup, numerous serie A titles and a couple of Champions leagues being a decent player. At 34 he'd still stroll through a season in the SPL. Plus the fact it's not often a player with such a reputation that Gattuso has literally offers his services for peanuts.
I like both Russell and Templeton but it's far more important that we focus on keeping the likes of Naisy and Aluko than bringing in these young guys who'd need at least a season to bed in. Do we really need them if Aluko and Naisy stay? Not in my opinion. As for Murphy.....decent at best.
J1985

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I get that J1985 But Gattuso would only be here for 1 season 2 at the most therefore we need some young talent, and however bad our league is, it still has some pretty decent young players that could probably do well in a couple of years and in time could do it at a top championship/small premier league club

Craig (Poster)

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Yes 2m on youth, we´re better spending 2m on players that will probably do well in the long run and can sell on for a profit. rather than spend 1m plus on Gattuso for 1 or 2 years

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Gattuso is blowin smoke up the ass of rangers. A premiership team would probably snaffle him up before your very eyes and he'd let them, and you know it.

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Everybody getting worked up about Gattuso and how he is a loyal true blue rangers through and through answer me this WHY did he move the first chance he got ??? {Ed039's Note - Advocaat wanted him gone and sold him)

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J1985 have you seen Gattuso play lately?
He was a great midfield enforcer because of his workrate. Harrying opposition players, forcing them off the ball and generally covering every blade of glass. His legs have gone now and he doesnt have the stamina. No disrespect to him but he was never a player who could read the game particularly well so the loss of his pace, stamina, strength etc will end his career. If Rangers do sign him in my opinion it will be similar to Ljungberg signing for Celtic. A formerly brilliant player who doesn't have the physical attributes and doesnt have the anticipation etc to fall back on.

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We need players who want to play for the shirt !! big davie weir still playing at 41, i know midfield is a more demanding position. but lets give it a go if we can
BALLYBOY {Ed039's Note - Guys its not going to happen, I will eat my hat if it does)

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Gattuso has been out injured anytime i managed to see milan so no i havent seen him lately but with the likes of mccabe n hutton needing a big season who better to learn from than gattuso? He may not have the stamina that he possessed earlier in his career but if i was looking for a player to win 50/50's n provide a much needed physical presence in midfield who is available thats better than gattuso?
J1985

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Rangers must have some quality in u19s after all they only finished 23 points behind celtic

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31 May 2012 13:17:19
All rangers fan groups should call for charles green to give guarentees that the assets will remain the property of the football club, if they dont there is nothing stopping green doing what he wants with them should a cva fall through, we must question him about this urgently, or we may end up with no team, stadium, auchenhowie or the albion car park sooner rather than later, this is fact ed. so would be obliged if posted........col.

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All of the Rangers fans groups are run and headed by power hungry, attention seeking, glory hunters - i wouldn't trust any of them to genuinely have the best interests of the club at heart before themselves. Fans should stop scaremongering (and believing everything the BBC says is fact) and be patient with Charles Green to deliver what he says he can and will - It's not as if we have a lot of other options left!

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@OP Or else what? A fans threat of sanctions and boycots to force him out. If he walks, what next. Time is running out. If he does agree, great; but I doubt he would. He is not in this for the benefit of Rangers. He sees this as a means to make money for the Green Knights. Hence the pitance to the creditors and the money being a loan to the club, not an investment in the club.
Al

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CG has stated he's in this for a business transaction not as a benefactor. It's not even his money. If he can't repay the loan then presumably the club goes to his creditors (much as Portsmouth did) and who knows but another CVA.

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The Rangers Group should stay out of it for once, theyve already scared one lot away. Leave Green to get on with the job in hand, at least we can see light at the end of the tunnel.

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I think you will find the assets will be sold off as part of the liquidation if this happens.

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A simple signiture gurentee would put everyone at ease and it would help sell season tickets.

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Whenit comes to the assets we'll probably open an other tin of worms like who do they actualy belong to ?
MIM

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There is a distict possibility that Rangers fan clubs will be united and a coherent body next season but not now. Next season they will all be able to get in the same single decker to Berwick. Fares paid before departure please.

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31 May 2012 13:16:15
Why not come to some sort of deal with the SFA and allow the Gers to sign players who are out of contract? This would allow us to both sell and bring in some players. This would also satisfy some of the blood thirsty hierarchy within the SFA and SPL who are determined to punish us some way.

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Who would it please exactly other than Rangers fans who still think their club is innocent in all this ..................

Pay your bills - Randolph

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"determined to punish us some way"
RFC broke the rules ergo punishment must be forthcoming. Or else everyone will be at it.

Most Rangers fan accept that RFC (yes I know Murray and that pratt Whyte) have broken the rules.

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Rangers are throwing the whole game into disrepute and u want compromise. Rangers will be very,verylucky if uefa doesnt get involved

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So what your saying you don't deserve to be punished , that's right wasn't your fault was it was sdm or cw, happy enough to take the cups and titles you won under sdm whilst paying illegal payments to the team but now gone pear shaped not our fault who should be punished sdm, cw , who were in charge or rest of Scottish football , you tell us

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The Green team will have to offload a lot of players first as they have said they will be running Rangers without an overdraft.Rangers are still currently spending £10m more than they have coming in! I think the transfer ban is a mercy from the SFA as if it is lifted it will be very embarrassing as to who is affordable!

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I think if half of you read it correctly, he is suggesting the punishment!!

GDog
WATP

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GDog, thats not a punishment,thats a get out of jail card.

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Once again lets do a deal. The results of your dealing are why you are in this mess. Face it, the club broke the rules and have to face the consequences. Better the SFA than FIFA or EUFA. At least SFA will try to consider the good of Scottish Football. The others could care less

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Can't do that as it is a sanction available to the panel...

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The SFA had bent over backwards to avoid the sanction that was merited expulsion from the league!!

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31 May 2012 12:05:35
the SFA and Rangers need to get together now and realise that there has to be compromise from both parties and understand that common sense has to prevail,as I suggested a few days ago if say four of the first team squad leave then we are allowed to replace the same number and spend say 75% of the cash we get for them,this way both parties have the feeling of some sort of justice,I know it wont please everyone but its better that some senarios.

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Why, there was no compromising when Rangers were walking over everyone to get to the top of the pile in Scotland. You lot didnt care who you trampled on as it was business acording to SDM. Well its your turn to hurt.

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Why should the SFA compromise?
Have they broken any rules apart from not having clear guidelines re punishment.

compromise is where two or more parties have done something wrong.

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No, the SFA need to suspend Rangers from all competitions in the coming season. Spartans were thrown out of the Scottish cup for fielding ONE yes ONE player with an irregularity about his registration. Or is it one rule for the big Glasgow teams and another for everybody else? - dr. k

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Monies brought in SHOULD go to the other SPL (or any other football club for that matter) before you should even consider trying to 'purchase' replacements.........................stop........& seriously take a hard look at the state Rangers have & still are placing the Scottish game in!

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The SFA should simply implement their rules and Rangers should suffer their fate!

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Does anyone trust Rangers anymore to play within the rules?. They have been show to have have witheld information in the past. Can't see that as being workable.
Al

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The SFA should maybe compromise because its THEIR breaking of the law that has brought the game into disrepute.

The punishment was unlawful!!!

Rangers punishment has still to be decided based on the options/rules in place, not make them up as they go along!!

GDog
WATP

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Gdog, you are getting the cart before the horse here.

The bringing the game into disrepute charge was for RFC not paying Tax/NI etc (and getting caught).

The SFA did not bring the game into disrepute, they just did not (according to the Judge) apply the punishment a laid out in the rule book.

The admins took the 'penalty' for the charge to court not the 'charge' itself.

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Your (OP) idea is fine, except that it too will be judged outside of SFA's remit.

The punishments within SFA's remit are worse, so be careful what you wish for.

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Let's be honest - the players were bought with money that should have been paid to HMRC or many other creditors who have supplied goods or services to rangers. Why don't you pay them first before worrying about spending 75% on buying new players. Please pay off our debts first this is what got the club in trouble - paying money out that is not ours.

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31 May 2012 11:14:50
Duff and Phelps 'agreed' to cap Rangers fees at £500,000
By Mark Daly
BBC Scotland Investigations Correspondent
8 hours ago

Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps agreed with owner Craig Whyte to cap their fees at £500,000 two days before they were appointed.
Emails obtained by BBC Scotland reveal the firm also agreed to try to minimise the time spent in administration.
Duff and Phelps' fees and charges now stand at more than £5.5m.

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A contract would have been created and signed by D&P and RFC stipulating all possible charges and rates and schedule before work commenced. {Ed039's Note - Are we talking about the same duff and phelps and Craig whyte we all know play by the books lol)

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So many whistle blowers around.

No one gets to use smoke and mirrors anymore.

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Does that mean there's only £2.9m for a CVA against £140m? Who would agree to that?

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So unless this is some devious ploy to throw everybody off the scent, the emails completely rule out the idea that D&P and CW are still in this hand in hand which I've always suspected.

Looks like D&P have shafted Whyte and Whyte in a huff with them has leaked the emails to the BBC.

You just couldn't make this stuff up! BB

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Does this mean that D&P, Craig Whyte and Charles Green will all be sitting at home counting their cash and laughing at the lot of us?

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Both Whyte and the Administrators have been a numerous liquidation scenarios and will clearly know the best way to skim as much money as possible from dying companies. That is not to say that is what they are doing here! But is looks we are just one in a long line of companies be asset stripped, by which ever vulture gets in next. The real Rangers fans have been frozen out of the process, because they want to play by the rules. Unfortunately in this process we need a rich Rangers supporting benifactor who wants to bend the rules, but this is what got us in this mess in the first place. You cannot win which ever way you turn !

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It's £5m plus to date. How much more to mid July when the CVA is knocked back, and where will this money come from?

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They will sell Ibrox, Murray Park, the car park, the chewing gum under the seats to anyone to get them a slice of cash

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Wonder if we can pay them trough an EBT? Penny saved is a penny earned and all that.

Big blue bear

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5.5m in fees and charges? Based on the fact it will be 16 weeks in admin on Tues, and based on say a 40 hour working week (doubt they do that but hey ho) your telling me the are on just over £2100 per hour!!! dont think so somehow

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Love the post about "Rangers fans want to play by the rules". That is what your club should have done a long time ago.

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31 May 2012 10:11:04
Can someone tell me if this embargo court case went in rangers favour because FIFA are threatening to oust all scottish teams from all competitions if we don't pull out the case, does this not mean that we hold all the aces and can bargain with the SFA and the other club directors vote to keep a newco in the spl ? Give me your thoughts lads , I'm curious if it could be possible ? John GVNfrt

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It went in rangers favour.fifa are now putting pressure on the sfa to punish rangers hard for going to the courts.but fifa should be punishing the sfa for not even noing thier own rules and regan should be showin the door the man hasnt got a clue. As for the st mirren chairman crying on tv yesterday about rangers going to court would he not have done the same if it was thier club wrongly punished i think so

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That is not holding all the aces.That is blackmail.

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You may think you hold ALL the aces, but with your cheating, arrogance and refusing to accept your wrongdoings and dragging SFA,Scottish football through the mud,threatening to get other clubs chucked out of Europe, the national sides World Cup participation, witholding due payments to clubs, Sandy Jardine bleating that they would make other clubs pay,EBTS etc,you are just turning any sympathy to sheer anger and are on the brink of being chucked out of football ALL together.Remember that SFA have the ability to expel you, as that IS in their procedures laid down. They didnt take that option because they wanted to keep you alive, they went light on you.

You vile club and its supporters deserve NO favours.

Man up and take responsibility.

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FIFA aren't threatening anything. FIFA have informed SFA to take action, whether it's lenient or severe, as long as the SFA act. Rangers haven't crossed that line yet for FIFA to take any action.

TTG

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You lie and cheat for decades then get caught out, you refuse to accept your ( lenient) punishment and now you want to use that fact as leverage to get your own way. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and decide if you really are supporting a football team. {Ed039's Note - What else are we supportin pal? I hand over my hard earned every year, i don't get a say in what happens to it! It's other peoples misgivings that are threatening the very existence of rangers but some people seem to think it's the fans fault, if you can give me a good reason as to why it is I will listen)

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The embargo was overturned. FIFA expect any club that takes their governing body to a court of law to face heavy punishment along the lines of expulsion from the league, the scottish cup, or heavy financial penalties... All of which should have been the casew before that pathetic embargo idea that some incompetent SFA beak dreamed up. That's why the SFA are a worldwide laughing stock. But I wouldn't condone the blackmail you suggest mate. Let's just take what we get and move on.

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"hold all the aces" The blind ignorance and arrogance just gets worse by the day. Why can't some of our fans accept that this original punishment was actually quite light. Where have you been for the last three and a half months? Is it any wonder the other teams in Scotland have a gripe when attitude like this is rife. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I suggest you have a wee word with yourself.

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Do we have to be so arrogant . We will not hold anybody to ransom. We will accept our due punishment . I do agree that the transfer embargo was extreme but we have commited a football crime and we should start to accept and understand that there is a law that must be adhered to.

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Rangers do not hold any aces and the embargo has not been overturned it has simply been referred back to the appeals tribunal.The SFA don't actually have to accept the decision and there would have to be further legal action to impose the initial descision.The SFA would then say that your no longer a club allowed to play in our league and expel them and they could then sign whoever they want in whatever works league would take them.Incidently i don't see Rangers being able to afford much as they have to trim £10m from their annual budget and make essential repairs to Ibrox.

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Rangers hold no aces, in fact they have no cards at all. Which is why Green is now reduced to simply begging for mercy.
There will be no bargaining with the SFA who have to protect the interests of all clubs and the national team.
Rangers through their ill advised action have put them in the position where they are just waiting for FIFA to say jump.

And they will ask how high.
There is an outside chance of a simple cup ban but suspension or expulsion is more likely.

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Sadly you don't hold any cards at all, they are now stacked against you.

I don't think this was a win for RFC in any way. Won the battle but the war does not look pretty)

The Judge said that the punishment was not explicitly in the rule book therefore was not allowed.

The panel looked at the rule book and used "discretion to impose any sanction it saw fit" clause

So it is a bit of he says/she says.

The judge sent it all back to the panel to meat out the punishment.

As the Admins went to court the SFA are now in a bind.

Do they give a lesser punishment and have FIFA kick them

Or

Do the SFA apply the harsher punishment now (expulsion/suspension)
which are explicitly in the rule book.

What do you think.

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A Colt 45 beats 4 aces every time.

You want to guess who has the 45?

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We have not been punished on EBT Tax case or Double Contacts yet.

We all expect major punishment there.

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The SFA do have to listen to what the judge at the Court of Session ruled on because they have supervisory jurisdiction over the SFA.

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Sion got 36 point penalty for playing a few illegally registered players in a few games.

what points punishment will be due for 100+ illegally registered players playing over 10 years of games....

mind boggles..... no doubt it will be called an unfair punishment... and fought in court.

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The wording is:

4.22.6 all consents or other requirements of the SPL and SFA having been obtained or complied with so that Rangers Football Club can continue to participate in such domestic leagues and competitions as it currently participates in.
4.23 In the event that either this CVA is not approved, or the other Conditions of the loan are not satisfied or waived by 23 July 2012, Sevco is contractually obliged to purchase the business and assets of the Company for £5,500,000 by 30 July 2012. All further terms of that sale have been agreed in advance and are confidential.

SFA could ban from Scottish Cup it rejected that as to severe but according to the CVA then Green can withdraw and go down the newco route and pass the buck for blame onto the SFA. If the SFA suspend from SFA membership then that brings with ti a transfer ban anyway. How can the administrators say they did not know about FIFA why do they use Scotlands top QC Richard Keen in Commercial Dispute Resolution. You can bet he knew or he would not have been doing his job. Who wins £ if the CVA collapses?

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What a disgraceful post!

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Once again the same old nameless people on here bleating on about how Rangers fans dont and wont take responsibility.

Lets get this straight. What was challenged in court was that the punishment given did not EXIST! There was NO option to ban transfers. The motion was unlawful.

Firstly get your small brains round that.

Now that youve had 5 mins I am guessing you have managed to understand that.

On this and this alone the SFA are to blame for not following procedure and also for not having plans and rules in place for such a situation. It is their incompetence that has threatened Scottish Football.

To think they were doing us a favour is ridiculous! They were looking after themselves, or so they thought by covering up how inept they all are.

Its a shambles. The punishment whatever it will be when applied lawfully will be accepted.

As for those wishing us to be banished. Dream on, all clubs couldnt even agree to penalise NEWCOS!!

Gdog
WATP

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FIFA aren't threatening anything. FIFA have informed SFA to take action, whether it's lenient or severe, as long as the SFA act. Rangers haven't crossed that line yet for FIFA to take any action.

TTG

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Only post on here that is actually true and straight to the point

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Ed ofcourse it is not the fans fault but fans of every club, Rangers included, have no access to the people that got Rangers into this situation, we are left therefore, doing this, in a forum chatting about the rights and wrongs of it. Where most people are taking offense is to the either blinkered or downright arrogant stance of some Rangers fans. Not one single punishment to date hasn't been met with some form of protest. Ten points deducted for administration (which was in the rules) led to a "tainted title". The fines, why not Whyte instead of us? The embargo, fair enough it wasn't within their jurisdiction, albeit given their assesment of the case (only match fixing was worse) was maybe medicine worth swallowing. Add on top of that the embargos on SFA sponsors, William Hill's, Vauxhall and withdrawn subscriptions to Sky Sports. And now today's OP "are we holding all the aces?" No, as the second reply said it is more or less blackmail, we're big, you cant afford to lose us and we don't do humility. The PR job on this from top to bottom has been staggeringly arrogant and as we have all read in here before and as I certainly have mentioned before a lot of non Rangers fans who initially had no thoughts nor desires for Rangers becoming extinct are hardening their view fast based on the words and actions of many associated with the club. Sandy Jardine has gave you carte blanche to throw the dummy out of the pram at any given time with implied threats and bullying as currency. Shameful.
Gaz

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Ed039. i think you will find that nobody thinks that this circus is the fans fault, but what everyone is pissed off about is the continued sense of entitlement and arrogence of many of their fans. maybe they should take a long hard look at t

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The transfer embargo was extreme?you are having a laugh.Suppose you sold me a car last year and i didnt pay for it then you told me i was not getting anything else of you.I THEN TOOK YOU TO COURT saying it wisnae ma fault i ended up with nay money and i won the case, 6 months later a bought another car from you.How would you feel?

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Rangers can always be expelled from the SFA. I think you'll find that's the ace of trumps.

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Well fifa better get a move on cos if they leave it too long the rest of the Scottish clubs will be out of Europe including one certain team knocked out twice lol funny but true,n as for the national team being withdrawn from qualifiers....... wenaint turned up in a qualifier since the mid 90's n after the USA game who really cares lol

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Gdog you talk mince. A transfer emabrgo is in the punishments rules if the rules clearly say ""discretion to impose any sanction it saw fit" and appraently it does. It also says expulsion or suspension and those two are most ceratinly written down in the rule book.

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The post above. Im talking mince?? Yet we WON the case. Wake up son!

GDog
WATP

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Rangers do not want to punish other clubs in scotland we just want a fair trial here. yes we deserve punishment but we have already been punished.
the sfa and rangers have to sit down and sort this out.

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Aye but its like winning the bingo on the Titanic

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What do you mean previous poster that rangers have already been punished?
they have had NOTHING yet except 10 points deducted that made no difference whatsoever to their league position!

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Gdog, what a sad, ill informed little individual you are. You think you won? Some victory when you will now be pummelled in round 2!
To Ed, I am an Aberdeen fan but totally agree, it's not the fans fault. But the fault lies at the criminal controlling minds behind Rangers, therefore the club needs punished. The unfortunate thing is, the decent fans of the club feel the pain of the punishment, I'm willing to bet far far more than the criminals behind the wrong doing. But Ed can't you see, people like Gdog reduce any sympathy. The arrogance, the feeling of superiority, the feeling above reproach or punishment.
Anyway, end of sheep rant!!

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31 May 2012 10:03:31
Prospective Rangers owner Charles Green says he is seeking an urgent meeting with Scottish FA chief Stewart Regan to prevent FIFA from intervening in a dispute between the two organisations.

Having been handed a 12-month registration embargo by the governing body for failing to pay tax contributions for their employees over nine months, Rangers challenged the validity of the sanction in the Court of Session.

A judge ruled the punishment was “unlawful” and not permissible based on the Scottish FA’s rulebook, despite a clause in the articles of association saying the relevant appeals panel could use its discretion to impose any sanction it saw fit.

FIFA’s statutes warn against clubs taking football matters to courts of law and, having issued a statement on Tuesday warning for the courts not to be used, are keeping a close eye on the developing situation.

The onus is now on the Scottish FA to punish Rangers for using the courts, or face FIFA’s intervention and the potential suspension of all clubs and the national team from participating in football outside of the country.

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Green has no official capacity at Rangers whatsoever. The SFA should not be interfacing with green at all. He refuses to tell them his backers details or where the money is coming from, surely this breaks money laundering regulations?

Only D&P can interface with SFA in official capacity. And they took SFA to court!

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There has been a bit of misreporting and misinterpretation of what happened at the cos. The decision was not that rfc were innocent it was only tat they had ben given the wrong puishment. The case will now be examined again and an appropriate punishment passed down.

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Green might not have an offical capasity at rangers yet, but he will do very soon one way or the other that is why the sfa invited him along to hampden yesterday when the decisions where being made about the the new sanctions

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I think green is handling himslef very well and most of what i have heard seems sensible. this guy deserves a chance although i think the other side are becoming increasingly frustrated that things may well work out ok for the gers..

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Rangers under D&P persist in increasing the quantum of their transgressions and misery.

I do feel these english Johnnies are taking the urine. To say we didn't know is incompetent. Taking a fortune for error after error.

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Ed, quick question have green and all his backers been approved yet by the SFA as fit and proper person yet. If not why are the SFA in contact with him. {Ed039's Note - As far as I am aware the sfa don't actually have a fit and proper persons test as such, that's the last I knew but i may be wrong)

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The bottom line here is that the punishment needs to fit the crime. If one team gets the result of one game reversed (eg. Spartans in the cup recently) for playing one ineligible player in one match, then just take all those parameters and plug them into Rangers situation. Fair? dr. k

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This is the same Green holdng a gun to the SFA's head in the CVA proposal that unless they give in to his every demand he buys all the assets for peanuts and the rest of the world gets nowt. Sounds like a (t)reasonable person you would buy a second hand car from.

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31 May 2012 09:55:00
THE vice-president of FIFA last night urged Rangers to get in line or Scottish football is facing Armageddon.
Former Irish FA boss Jim Boyce has warned that the stricken club risks dragging SPL rivals and the national team down if they persist in fighting their transfer ban through the law courts.
As Record Sport revealed yesterday, Scotland could be banned from World Cup qualifiers and Celtic, Motherwell, St Johnstone, Hearts and Dundee United prevented from competing in Europe if the row escalates.
Boyce fears Rangers have set off on a dangerous path travelled last year by FC Sion, which almost saw Swiss rivals FC Basle expelled from the Champions League and the national side excluded from World Cup qualifiers.

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While it would be great to see the dicktaors and their minnions who govern football (FIFA, EUFA, SFA etc.) being shown they can not rule with impunity and are not above the law, this course of action was wrong on all counts. The penalty may not have been written but it was a lot less severe than what is written down. It may turn out to be a very shallow victory.

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The penalty was allowed to be given by the appeal judge, who wasn't limited to a list of penalties like the tribunal. So as he upheld the penalty, it became within the SFA regulations.

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Five clubs out of Europe for no fault of theirs. Thats 6 votes racking up blackballs for newco.

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31 May 2012 02:53:58
Rangers are currently paying the penalty for the wrong doing of Mr CR but at the end of the day CR was in charge when all this happend , it dont matter that he is gone becuse he was at the helm when all this happend ie not paying tax ect ,plus a 12 month enbargo aint that bad when you think of other clubs waiting on payments from rangers and there are a few , so why should rangers be entiteld to sign players when they cant even pay clubs the money they owe ? back to you edd {Ed039's Note - I said before that if we could retain a core of senior pros to help the young guys then the transfer embargo was not bad for business but the football debts annoy me, I mean we have sold jelavic on and still owe rapid over a million for him)

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"Ed039's Note - I said before that if we could retain a core of senior pros to help the young guys then the transfer embargo was not bad for business but the football debts annoy me, I mean we have sold jelavic on and still owe rapid over a million for him"
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Yes and included the money due for him in the creditors pot, Everton should pay rapid the money owed, then give us the rest. {Ed039's Note - Agreed but it doesn't work that way I am afraid)

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During admin are not all debts / payments blocked? Ed your trying to say that Rangers don't want to pay when the fact is they aren't allowed to (if they could ) of course {Ed039's Note - I didn't say that, I just said that the footballing debts annoy me, a small profit was made on the guy before we went into admin yet we still owe a hefty chunk of his transfer fee)

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The football creitors rule is stupid and it is very good that it is not in place in Scotland. Why on earth should Rapid Vienna get ahead of every other creditor in the club. Particularly when the main creditor is every honest man woman and child in the country who are quite happy to pay their taxes.

We are far too soft in this country on the insolvency of big companies, particularly those who ower the tax man.

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Whilst I don't agree with the football creditor having preference over other creditors I do believe there should be a rule preventing the onward sale of a player who hasn't been paid for from a previous club.

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Agree with recent post about football debts. Why should a club be allowed to realise a loss? You wouldn't be allowed to do that with your mortgage.

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31 May 2012 07:49:45
Ed, have the SFA given an indication that they will appeal the decision made at the court of session or when the independent tribunial may take place? I can forsee another long drawn out process hindering the CVA decision, at least with the transfer embargo we as fans had some sort of clarity! {Ed039's Note - Official line is they are considering their position with their legal advisors)

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There will not be a transfer embargo, why cant people get this, you cannot give a club a punishment that doesnt exist, why dont people understand this or are they just from one side me thinks

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The SFA don't have to appeal the decidion. The court of session are only making a recommendation.

The SFA does not have to listen to what they say as they have no authority over them.

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Suspect Greene and SFA will agree to embargo to avoid higher penalties and wrath of FIFA.

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There will in effect be a transfer embargo for a s long as the football club are in administration

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The court of session has no authority over the SFA. They have merely pointed out that the transfer ban is not in their list of punishments.
However, at the appeal, the judge under SFA regulations can apply any penalty I clusive of a transfer embargo. The SFA is now likely to hammer rangers.
Going to a civilian court of law is a big no no. Ally and sandy we were told we're advisors to d&P on all footballing matters. Ally recommended going to court?

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My feeling is Green and SFA will agree to a transfer embargo being in place till Rangers either clear or at least attempt to clear the monies owed to other clubs

Any thoughts?

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It really does not matter. Rangers have no funds and no credibility. No player would want to join them just now and compared with the EBT's this is chickenfeed. The one thing that is 100% certain is that the sentence for that will be as watertight as the proverbial crabs a@se.

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31 May 2012 00:28:38
Edu is off to Trabzonspor for £300k

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Thank you god !! {Ed039's Note - Give the guy a break)

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After saying he wants to stay??


fine i'll have one....McGregor is off to celtic for 1 million

just putting it out there! {Ed039's Note - This is one for the dodgy pages)

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Turkish fans would chase him out of town in 6 months

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Edu may have not been the most consistent and best player we had but did give us 100% just like big broadfoot

Lochaber Bear {Ed039's Note - Agreed with edu but I think clubfoot is awful LB)

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I don't understand everyone dislike to Edu, he does one of the most important jobs on the park in protecting the defence. He puts himself about and gets in the faces of opponents more than anyone else on the team. He is dedicated and hard-working. If we didn't have him, I can almost guarantee we would leak more goals through the middle of the park.

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I think being happy that anyone is leaving the club is a bad idea. We have a tiny squad anyway.
Don

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Is this true edd?? {Ed039's Note - He has been linked with moving but I can't see anything about a bid being made never mind a deal being done but I do think he will be one to move on)

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Thats a relief

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Exactly ed...if anyone with a football brain will realise that the amount of work edu does off the ball is unreal..the armchair fan won't notice this but when ur at the game u realise how hard he works and aye ok he's had a few bad games but who hasn't
Rab.Watp

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Agree with the post above work rate is perfect sum of his passing is shocking tho..would rather see him stay and get rid of little.

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30 May 2012 23:58:15
Andy Little is 23yrs old, hardly a kid!

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Andy little played amazing when given a decent run in team

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Give the man a chance {Ed039's Note - I thought he done well at the tail end, especially when some more experienced didn't perform, Ie Healy)

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No harm to little he not good enough full stop..

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30 May 2012 23:43:10
Mark Daly Suposed to be releasing emails after midnight showing Admin plan before sale completed between CW and MCR.

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Well that shows that they never planned administration to last for months like it has -
who did they think was going to buy Rangers and what went wrong? {Ed039's Note - I seem to remember whyte saying the plan was to exit administration by pay day in march and that didn't materialise either)

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Wonder how Mark Daly got his mitts on these emails?

Craig Whyte leaking to the man who exposed him on national TV? BB

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Yeah I would guess he might be, or an agent on his behalf. It seems he he trying to deflect blame away from him and firmly onto D&P. On the face of it he has a point. If he had agreed with D&P cost etc, the fact they are now 11 times that figure would indicate more than. P**s take. However D&P will counter by saying that was before they knew what an absolute basket case the club was in. I personally think D&P charges will be contested by the creditors, which they re entitled to do.

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