Rangers Rumours Archive May 30 2012

 

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30 May 2012 22:28:54
how about signing, guttuso, cuellar and owen. good players that can help the youth players on and of the park and all free!

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What part of you cant sign anyone while you're in administration do you not understand?

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Are you really stupid pal? despite the transfer embargo being lifted and however much i would love to see these players at ibrox, and even though gattuso said money is no matter to him, we still cannot afford the wages of cuellar and especially owen for christ sake! Owen was on 110000 a week at newcastle, he took a substantial pay cut to go to man utd, and has stated he thinks he still has another few seasons in the premier league. Why in the hell would he want to come to rangers? when he will no doubt get offers of a contract with a couple of premier league sides who are willing to pay him 40000+ salary. can gers match that type of money? no! so wake up and smell the coffee.

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Yes free ,but they just might want wages !!!!!!

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Okay then maybee not owen but defo cuellar ( can have the same wages as he did before he left!) and guttuso would play for practily nothing i could imagin! and the guy who says we cant buy anyone while in admin... yes i know but it is expected to be out that by end of june where the transfer window opens in JULY so why would rangers go through all that hassle of going to coart to then not sign anyone! f*** sake trying to look a bright side to all this mess! so stop talking like you know it all!

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"Despite the transfer embargo being lifted"?, don't want to burst your bubble here but, the embargo has NOT been lifted. The appeal decision has been sent back to the SFA. As it stands the original decision still stands which is...you know what it is yet?...transfer embargo. Thick or what !!

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Court of law takes precedent over all undertakings of the county if they are illegal. (Under scots law). But, theyll just shaft us within the rules as theyve always done. Thanks for the backwards scottish thinking SPL.

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Crazy season has started, lets make sure the club is saved first and then sort out a team

JG {Ed039's Note - Absoloutley)

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Transfer embargo is no more numb nuts. it is unlawful. the sfa have been told they will need to issue a punishment in line with their rule book.....

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When will the penny drop with some gers fans ? Rangers cannot afford to pay the wages of good players, how many big names are at Parkhead ?

Celtic and Rangers can no longer compete with Championship wages never mind Premiership wages. Sky killed the OF, they are worse off now than in the 80's when crowd attendances afforded wages.

Anorak.

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How do you know rangers cant compete or should i say wont compete!! lets wait and see but i honestly think if we can buy players we will get gattuso and cuellar and Ian black!

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Do you not listen THE ATBS HAS BEEN STOPPED

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30 May 2012 21:45:11
I am convinced that should EUFA,FIFA or SFA attempt to bomb out Rangers for appealing a punishment that was outwith it's remit we could see Rangers taking this all the way and another Bosman type scenario appearing that could at least see the SPL season delayed and in a complete shambles.

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If they are suspended or expelled they won't have procedural grounds for any appeal, whether through CAS or the Court of Session this time.

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Getting "bombed out" as you put it is an option open to them. So your talking nonsence.

Joeshmo1888

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The judge has referred the case back to the SFA and also warned Rancers that their punishment will likely be increased.
And on top of that,Rancers have to be punished for taking this matter to a Civil Court.
What do you not understand about the FACTS ?

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Youll find fifa have ALREADY told the SFA what to do....lets see who blinks first. DOnt know of ANY teams that took FIFA on a won......

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And it's not already shambles? Seriously, Scottish football is a laughing joke now!

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No it will go like this
SFA will do nothing
UEFA will say ban Rangers
SFA will say aw but no - we canny
UEFA will say, fine then we're throwing Scotland out the World Cup.
SFA will implode. Then expel Rangers from the league at last.

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There are now too many mechanisms which could see RFC expelled and the majority of them offer no recourse. The most likely one will be the inability to secure a license to play for failing to produce audited accounts. It is unlikely the accounts for this period can ever be signed off.

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This is the last thing we need. Scottish football is in a bad enough state. We were a laughing stock in England (and elsewhere probably) before Whyte took over and started his crash dive. I don't know what the next level down from laughing stock is, but we have gone well beyond it.
If that's what happens, we won't have a league competition next season and no European places the season after as a result.
Al

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We need a level playing field; Rangers need to be punished for what’s gone on.
I am a Rangers fan, Ban us from Europe for 3 years take 25 points each season of the three seasons were band, build a team around youth try to keep as many as the pro players that want to stay. If Guattso wants back take him all there experience will help the team after that three years, and at the same time the SPL oversee the club is being run properly for that three years as well, make every SPL team, give in there end of year finance to make sure the clubs can not be run the way Rangers has in the past
Every body loved the last owner Murray when he said for every 5 pound Celtic spend we will spend 10 pound. That statement alone spelt the death of Rangers and the SPL should have looked into it back then. We don’t have the big bucks of the EPL and SPL need to be responsible for all clubs, if you boot rangers out many clubs have said they would go under. I don’t want to see any team get booted out; even when Celtic was struggling a few years ago I knew that would kill Scottish football. What we have is unique and we need to protect that for all and future. There are only so many teams in the EPL for billionaires to buy,and that league is just going to get harder and harder to win, just to get a place in Europe, so where’s the next league with an easy route to Europe? SPL……..Spain? Germany? Holland? France? Italy?

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UEFA u mean not eufa

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Anything to do with Scotland will be suspended by FIFA and UEFA. So no CL/Euro matches, no internationals etc until the matter is sorted.

Rangers have opened a can of worms here, and the SFA may have no option but to expel them. But that's obviously a last resort.

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Stories clubs will 'go under' without rangers are greatly exaggerated. dunfermline are relegated now, they wont have rangers either but they will survive!

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M8 i can name 4 clubs who are on the brink even if rangers do survive.Dundee United Hearts Motherwell Aberdeen.So believe it m8 our game is in a right mess.Secondly it is not rangers fault they took the SFA to court if the SFA was run by decent people who knew what penalties they were entitled to give rangers instead the only thing they cared about was money.Rangers shoud have been sent to the 3rd div and im a rangers fan and that as far as i was concerned would have been fair and to the point the end of it.But now because of the SFAs greed look at the state we are in now.

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30 May 2012 21:23:09
Andy little in talks with ally over a new contract.. Has ally lost his marbles ?

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Administration,no money who else do you suggest he talks to,DUH

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Please inform us why you suggest Ally has lost his marbles? This will be interesting.

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No , have you lost yours mate , he,s no money so needs to sign the young players up

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Whats the alternative and whats little done wrong? Bomb out the overpaid s***e first before you start mud slinging at a kid thats done nothing apart from give his all and score a few goals.

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Andy Little has earned his new contract, but your speaking rubbish as only D&P can offer new contracts at present

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I guess you don't go to many games. Andy Little was quite impressive towards the end of the season, when he was given a run in the team

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Bears - after the highly probable summer clearance, Andy Little may well be one of our top players. Lets keep as many good young ones as we can.

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For me, signing Little on a loner contracct is a must. He has risen to the plate in a similar vein to some other youngsters (notably McCabe) and thoroughly deserves to be rewarded. Plus, while we're in admin we can't sign players so keeping the ones we have is a must! Muzz

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Andy little is not good enough to play for rangers full stop... He's rubbish .

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30 May 2012 21:00:29
Just a thought, When Sion had there (difficulties) FIFA threatened to throe the Swiss team out of EURO 2012, all there clubs out of Europe and there team out of the Olympics. If this gets bad could this threaten Team GB as though unwilling Scotland is a member. Thoughts plz?

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Yes they threatened but didn't do it, think the Swiss FA might have taken it further legally if they had. UEFA are just irked because the SFA made a pigs ear out of this. FIFA and UEFA like to think they are above the laws and can dictate what they like and everybody has to accept that. Sepp Blatter and Platini are dubious characters to say the least and continue to fight their own little power struggles within their respective authorities. They are too autorcratic and demand football clubs bow down to them and worship the ground they walk on. They are ruled by money, look at the state of the champions league for example. The name is in the title, but certain leagues have three/four teams in it. Money Money Money thats who they worship, so i take with a pinch of salt, edicts coming from them.

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They would have to act fast but it sure would wake up the suits when DC was on the line.

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The CEO of the swiss FA was tonight interviewed about the matter. This is the negative side of the CoS appeal. rangers difficulties and transgressions are now globally exposed

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Re Sion, they were punished with a 36 point penalty by the Swiss FA and all was well.

There won't be time before the Olympics and I suspect FIFA doesn't have jurisdiction there anyway. But there will be no World Cup qualifiers if the SFA failes to punish Rangers.

Also don't get carried away with the money argument. Rangers might be important to Scotland but are nothing to FIFA.

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30 May 2012 19:37:49
Rangers may well be able to sign players when they eventually exit administration , but just a point that seems to have slipped everyones minds ... what club is going to sell a player to Rangers without getting the whole transfer fee payed up front ? not any i would suggest , Rangers have lost the trust of every club in world football by their refusal to pay their ways , so i dont envisage too many great signings in the near future .

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Dont think the new owners will be going on a mad spending spree either

JG

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I feel ashamed of my club going to court to get a transfer embargo overturned when we cant pay for the player we've brought in and have offered pennies in the pound to the creditors.we going to court to bring in more players have we no shame.Lets take our punishment start in div3 and come back bigger and stronger and keep our dignity-WATP

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"Rangers have lost the trust of every club in the world" - what a pile of cack, since when did you become spokesman for world football. Is your name Sepp Blatter by any chance, then i might believe you.

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That is a very good point. I don't think Mr Green and his secret consortium are gonnae shell out milions upfront when Rangers have max'd out their credit cards.. The victory in court yesterday is the equivelant of winning a game of bingo on the Titanic.

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One thing is certain Hearts won't be selling any more players to Rangers.

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Sadly have to agree with this. And Duff and Phelps know it too. The civil action though suited them, a pure deflection tactic after the negative spotlight the Mark Daly documentary had shone on them.

Speaking of which, Daly is going to reveal some interesting emails regarding D&P and Craig Whyte at midnight. BB

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What part of Liquidation dont you understand?

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If the CVA is acceptable then right or wrong Rangers will have less debt on their books than practically any other equivalent size of club. I would have thought clubs would be happy to sell.

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Duff and Duffer have only managed to get the SFA to do the deed that they set out to do from the start and that is to get the team thrown out. It will be hard even for the Newco to attract players now with the connection to Rangers. This is the end game for us and we should now just bow out and remember the good times. We cannot blame anyone else for this but ourselves as we let most of this happen.
JJ

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Yes they may well have less debt than other clubs at the end of all this and other clubs might be more than willing to sell to you but know this, from now until the end of all time you will be known as the team who broke the rules. You are not the people you are the cheaters. And thanks to you am gonna have to start watching rugby and a f@?kan hate rugby

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Rangers dont intend to buy anyone. they wish to register free agents. Gattuso, Black (hearts) Jennings (Motherwell) Dixon (Dundee United). This would provide a competitive side in the SPL

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Youve never heard of free agents,loan deals, gattuso black lovenkrands jennings etc just a few examples where money wouldnt be an issue

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If the CVA is acceptable?

After the likely result of the Big Tax Case creditors will likely be offered 2p in the pound. Would you accept that?

D&P know liquidation is a cert as does Charles Green & it's what he wants, a fire sale. The whole thing is a charade!

BB

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I agree. No-one will want to do any business with Rangers. Even a NewCo will be tarrred with the same brush.

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As for signing free agents, they will request high wages as there would be no transfer fee. wages that rangers cant afford

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All those players still need paid ..at the moment rangers are running in about -10 mill a year ...so if they cant afford the the squad they have just now how do they pay these other guys

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As an answer to first reply.

Q1. Why the hell should we be ashamed?

Q2. Why the hell should we go to div 3?

A1. We did not know our owners were acting in such a manner and the rules and governance in place passed an unlawful penalty. We were then told we could not go to footballing courts to appeal, so in the end had no option.

A2. Division 3????? Thats where clubs go when liquidated, not admin. What, you think we should just go there for the sake of it?

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30 May 2012 18:25:54
Just wanted to point out a wee article in reference to the latest furore regarding the decision to challenge the SFA transfer embargo in court.

The lawyers acting on behalf of Rangers FC argued that CAS had no jurisdiction over their case. They used the legal case of Ashley Cole versus the FA Premier League in 2005 as precedent for this.

In 2005, Cole was fined £100,000 by the Premier League for meeting with Chelsea to discuss a transfer while he was still under contract to Arsenal. An appeal by Cole reduced the fine to £75,000 but he then took the case to CAS.

The CAS ruling of August 31, 2005, stated that it had no jurisdiction over the dispute because the rules of the Premier League do not contain any reference to a right to appeal to CAS. Premier League rule R63 state that their decision is final and binding – exactly the same wording used in the SFA’s rule 65.3(b).

Lord Glennie at the Court of Session agreed with this argument and ruled that the civil court in Scotland was therefore competent to deal with the dispute between Rangers and the SFA.

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Did St Johnstone not take the SFA to court in 1964

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FIFA and UEFA don't give a hoot about any of that.
SFA will do as they are told, which is to drop the bankrupt and hugely troublesome rangers FC (IA). At some point SFA protectionism needs to stop.

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Have a look at what happened to a few Turkish teams today.....WHOOPS!!

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As ever problem for gers fans is they set a precident.

Now all future league games, results etc can be challenged in court of session....?

if this highest court in football, then the floodgates will now open and all clubs owed money by rangers, can also use the courts to exact punishment.... not the football ruling bodies...

this is the point FIFA/EUFA dont want established - they run football - not the courts... cos which courts are we now talking aboout

court of session, then you can appeal to european court of justice, as this trumps the court of session.... ad finitum....

pandoras box is open... but rangers lawyers....

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To the "Pandora's Box" poster, you seem to completely be missing the point or understanding the OP at all. As it states, the only reason Rangers were able to take this to the Court of Session was due to the fact that the SFA had not explicitly stated in there rules that there was the right to appeal to the highest Appellate body in sport, the CAS, therefore as in the case of Cole, and because Cole's ruling has become Case Law therefore already setting Legal Precedent, meaning Rangers were legally entitled to challenge the decision in this manner. Also, if as you say, everything is going to now descend into anarchy and chaos, then how is it that South of the Border, where this Legal Precedent was set, they're not now challenging everything in court and acting in the way you describe? Maybe you can answer that question for me?

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So if fhe rules do not prevent Rangers from going to Court of Session, does that mean Dunfermline can go to Court to ensure they stay up and you go down for breaching the rules?

Or at very least get the two points back that they were denied for Aluko's proven dive?

Can Kayal sue McCulloch for loss of earnings due to the injury he sustained whilst he played under appeal?

No sport could survive if the courts were involved for every contentious that arrises during the course of a season {Ed039's Note -alike was banned for diving and do you really think players should start that against each other for injuries? If that's the case Ian durrant is owed a career)

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Cole was an individual who looked to the courts for recourse, Rangers (like Sion) are a club and clubs cannot take their FA to court

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Well we did get over it

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30 May 2012 14:11:58
SPL: Clubs set new financial fair play rules at Hampden meeting

Scottish Premier League clubs have voted at Hampden not to introduce fixed punishments for clubs reforming as new companies known as "newcos".

Instead sanctions will be imposed on a case-by-case basis.

Clubs have twice adjourned a vote on potential sanctions for newcos as they wait for clarification on Rangers' situation.

The decision on any newco will be taken by all 12 clubs, with no fixed penalties for the new company.

A vote on potential changes to the SPL voting structure has been delayed.

The carried vote will see a penalty for clubs going into administration of whichever is greater: 10 points/or one third of previous season's total.

"It was agreed that in future any decision on the transfer of share to a newco from any club will be considered by all member clubs rather than the SPL board, with flexibility to impose sanctions appropriate to each individual circumstance," said SPL chief executive Newil Doncaster.

"The resolutions proposing fixed penalties on a newco were therefore withdrawn as obsolete."

The clubs meeting at Hampden on Wednesday agreed to new rules over what happened to clubs who fail to pay players or Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs on time.

The vote on financial fair play had been originally delayed at the request of Bill Miller, the American businessman who had been named as the preferred bidder to buy Rangers.

Miller has since withdrawn his offer, but other interested parties are pursuing his idea of forming a new company to run Rangers while the old one attempts to resolve the debt problem that led to the club going into administration.

Rangers' administrators Duff & Phelps said the announcement of the new proposals has caused "a delay in the sale process".

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"...flexibility to impose sanctions appropriate to each individual circumstance".
Isn't that what the SFA had in place. Standby for any decision regarding Sevco FC to be taken to court.
Al

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Turkeys fail to vote for Christmas (shocker). SPL should not forget that they need to provide a credible product based on sporting integrity and fair play. I have lost all interest in football as a result of this shambles

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Basically the other clubs want to be able to hit rangers hard. yet by saying case by case if it ever happened to any of them they may get off lightly. graeme

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This doesnt say there will be no penalties. It says in effect that the other clubs will decide on what the penalties are. That's not a bad outcome.

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Rangers have killed Scottish football dead. Why did they not take there punishment and move on. It could have been a lot worse!!!!!!!!!!! I will never pay to watch another game in Scotland. Not a glory hunter, just a Well pissed off Well fan. Its obvious that every other team in the SPL will suffer when the Bears cheat then throw the dummy. And they will again l have no doubt, the majority of there fan base as proved on here is win at all costs and if that fails bring the lot down or do them. Love my football but this is even worse than the bigotry. Motherwell F.C do not let them walk all over us and I hope every other SPL fan feels the same. OR we won't be there next season. Last chance saloon. What will every football fan worldwide think of Rangers then, not just conning creditors but destroying Scottish football as THE BIG BULLY BOYS. We done wrong but F@*^ yous. WATP. It should be every other clubs fans who are marching up to Hampden. No more!!!!!!!!!

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Well said! Well supporter

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"Rangers have killed scottish football dead" yeah right...why not blame us for 9/11 or the invasion of Iraq? If you don't go and support your team it will make no difference to us as they're so few of you anyway that turn up. We fought back against a ruling that was against the law and won - that the bit you don't like? Yes and you went into administration also, but you were never penalised either. We will be there next season but if we don't turn up at that dump called Fir park then without our fans money helping towards keeping you afloat...you may well end up in administration again..and this time we will see if the SFA take any action.

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30 May 2012 12:49:55
i heard that in the sfa rule book their should have been an option for a member team to take the governing body to a football tribunial, but their wasnt that option in the sfa rule book, in turn the only option for rangers was to take the sfa to the court of session in edinburgh, if that was the case this is another sfa stuff up and uefa and fifa have no grounds tell the sfa to impose more sanctions....jsm

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The fact that it wasn't in the rule book doesn't mean D&P should not have taken it to the tribunal in any event rather than civil court. That's what FIFA/UEFA upset about.

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The option was available to them to use the court of arbitration for sport (CAS) but they didnt want to as they wouldnt have been successful in their appeal if heard there.

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The SFA don't permit their member clubs to use the CAS, which in turn contravenes the FIFA stance ...... This will need to be a consideration when Rangers case is considered

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Was there no-one on the RFC staff conversant with the rules at the SFA who should have advised D&P about the court appearance ?

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"The SFA don't permit their member clubs to use the CAS...".
Where exactly does it say this? Just had a scan throught the articles of association and can't see anything about not being allowed to go to CAS. In fact, the whole documant is riddled with references to CAS.
For example, I did see Section 3 which states that the SFA is a member of FIFA and UEFA and as such must comply with their rules and regs, who state that CAS is the only course of redress available.
Section 99 is interesting stating that no person or body shall take any appeals to a court of law.
Al

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Do rangers fans not realize that the penalty the sfa did hand out was generous to say the least in the circumstances? They tried to do you a favor by not using the nuclear option but what do D&Ps do? So its the sfa's fault again? Grow up rangers and say sorry take yer medicine and move on but its even too late for that now as rangers have destroyed themselves 3 times over! rangers are a disgrace to the human race and you lot want to get off scott free! Unbelievable..just hurry up and die please because the rest of us who love the game are the REAL INNOCENT victims here not fans of a club who have disgraced us time and time again! Hibee;)

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1 years suspension at a minimum will suffice. Just how many rules are Rangers going to break or challenge.

Sion are whiter than white compared to rangers.

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From day one, liquidation has been the end game of this scripted confused charade and nothing has changed. D&P are lucky that they have a fan base that fails to question anything.

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No, this is backwards. CAS could not take the Rangers case because of FIFA rules.
Article 63 section 3(c)
"CAS does not deal with appeals arising from decisions against which an appeal to an independent and duly
constituted arbitration tribunal recognised under the rules of
an Association or Confederation may be made"

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A) Yes they do
B) Rangers have scored a massive own goal
C) The SFA are under no obligation to go with the court's ruling [see: Sion FC for confirmation]
D) Rangers are finished
E) It would seem the rotten, corrupt club wants to wipe out Scottish Football on it's way to hell
F) Rest in Pain.

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To the OP -
This isn't a case of the SFA OR FIFA imposing additional sanctions.
The transfer embargo was seen as an alternative to either a fine or expulsion/suspension.
As D&P have now got that referred back to the SFA the only punishment left that is suitable IS expulsion or suspension.
As Rangers broke the rules (they signed on for, at least while they suit them) regarding taking governing bodies to a 'civil' court, they are now subject to an additional charge which results in expulsion.
Failure by the SFA to enforce that rule could result in consequences felt by whole of Scottish football.
Its just yet another failure of Rangers to comply with rules that they agreed to previously. (same as the outing of the first disciplinary panel).

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30 May 2012 12:42:18
What a difference in two newspapers coverage this morning.
The DR is doom and gloom and the end of the world.
The Herald is a common sense piece that rules out expulsion.

The DR should be ashamed of this mornings paper which does nothing but scaremongering putting pressure on the other clubs and SFA to punish us more.

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Are you surprised by the Daily Record?? It has to be the most hate filled newspaper for our club. I for one stopped buying it a long time ago. Keith Jackson and Hugh Keevins are so anti Rangers it is unbelievable

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I have stopped buying the DR . It has not got to the stage in work that if its lying on the table ,I would rather read the phone booke.

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The Record always prints the sensationalist view of everything.
Which sells more copy. You're not going to see a balanced argument on anything whether it's a Rangers or Celtic issue

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Off the radar Jackson is anti Rangers?

Did you all stop reading the Record when it was telling you about super-casinos and floating pitches? Or when they were printing cracked Celtic crests after they lost two pre season friendlies? Or taking the p!ss out of Celtic's buscuit tin transfer policy while extolling the virtues of Minty's cooking?

More like shame on the Herald for building up the hopes of Rangers fans in what could be the last few days of the club as they know it.

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30 May 2012 12:41:13
Look Bears we need to drop to SFL to sort ourselves out for a season or two. The SPL cannot accommodate rangers with all these problems next season. Just drop down and let the SPL now get their games planned with pars and Ross county until we sort our humungous problems.

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Ross county are in the spl

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Ross county in spl your point is ? {Ed039's Note - Yeah was wondering that myself)

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Keep Ross county in SPL and bring back Pars and drop Rangers! D'oh!

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30 May 2012 12:38:13
Its not Rangers fans fault what is happening with this club in the slightest, i have ploughed my 500 quid a year in for my season ticket for the last 13 years and what have i gotten from it? a complete shambles.

And all the court ruling really proved is that we have an incompetent, unprofessional, clueless bunch of totall misfits running what used to be a good league to play in and watch.


They will not suspend rangers from SPL membership as that would only make them look worse, if they had just done there job properly in the first place they wouldent have been made to look like idiots and yesterday there statement saying 'we are suprised' as if to say....oh a judge realised we have just made up a rule of punishment but we are suprised he wasnt happy with accepiting it...i mean comon thats got to make you wonder if there all on the wacky stuff !!

I need to ask aswell if we did lose our membership, does that not technically mean we could apply for say league 2 in england? {Ed039's Note - I have been a season ticket holder for 22 years but we must accept that the wrongdoers were acting on behalf and for rangers)

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"I have been a season ticket holder for 22 years but we must accept that the wrongdoers were acting on behalf and for rangers"
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Agreed, but that does not mean we have to accept illegal sanctions. We should not have had to take the SPL/SFA to court as they should not have applied a sanction/penalty that did not exist under their current rules and regulations.

They have made themselves look stupid and incompetent, and we the fans will pay the penalty.

Top lawyer, Vince Lunny... don't make me laugh.

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Hi Ed 039, I totally understand your point about the wrongdoes acting on behalf of Rangers, but thats no to say they we acting in the best interests of Rangers which is a totally different matter. Would you accept that hooligans who bring shame to our club or any other club for that matter are acting on hehalf of the club they support????? I don't think so! {Ed039's Note - It has been said many times these people don't represent rangers but the average Joe is not a director and can't influence boardroom decisions, which like it or not are seen as the decisions of rangers fc)

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Posts like this....from so called 'Learned and educated people really do make my blood boil!!!

Meanwhile, former SFA president John McBeth has said that Rangers "got away lightly" with recent sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute.

Rangers saw a 12-month transfer ban, imposed by the SFA, overturned in court on Tuesday, but McBeth believes their successful appeal against the sanction could see them hit with an even stricter punishment.

''The SFA should go away and look at their books to determine what their next step should be," McBeth told BBC Sport. "They could throw them out of the league.

''Football would survive without Rangers, maybe not at the same level, and the game would may be lose some fans - but so be it.

Idiot!!!

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Ed 039 is 100% right. Listen people we(murray/whyte on behalf of Rangers) have been stiching people up for years yet we have fellow Rangers supporters trying to steal some moral high ground with this one which is a joke really! Whatever punishment is meated out we have to accept. Don't forget it is us that has started all this unprecedented sh*t!
We have left every club in the SPL in utter turmoil.

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Not often you get both of the "silly" arguments in one post, OP I applaud you.
1) What did you get for your 13 years? A lot of trophies, a Euro Final and a lot of players gracing Ibrox that the club otherwise couldn't have afforded.
2) Please, please, please will you all finally drop the pathetic "the big bad board members did it and ran away".
3) England??? It aint gonna happen, besides they might be worried that you'll go to court should a shy be mistakenly given against you.

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We -rangers- don't deserve anything but hard sentencing. Out crimes have been heinous. It is a family, the directors, the management, the coaches, the groundsmen, the fans, the employees, the shareholders...... If one set let the club down then we all suffer equally. Fans took the tainted triumphs for years, we should take the punishments with no complaint, with dignity.

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It used to be a good league to watch! Yes when your team was winning the league regularly by using illegal methods. Don't give me the sanctamonious I've been paying good money for what! What about the rest of us who have been doing so for decades only for our teams to be cheated, and for god sake can someone please use the proper grammar when using there, their and they're.

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At the end of the day the participants of sport must face consequences of not playing by the rules. There are drug cheaters in sport and they get banned. There are match fixers in sport and they get banned. If Rangers get away with a slap on the wrist for stealing millions of UK citizens money, how is that going to look to the rest of the world?

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In the name a god, when are yous gonna admit if it weren't for the years of cheating and corruption by RFC we wouldn't be having these debates just now, yous cheated, you committed fraud, now you want that swept under the carpet and forgotten about, take your punishment, give up the honours you won through cheating, the cash you stole from everyone, the cash yous done other Scottish clubs out of by European participation, take it all, accept yous were wrong, accept your punishment and get on with it, start afresh with games against the likes of stranraer, arbroath etc

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For stating out loud what everyone in the world bar Rangers fans are thinking John McBeth is an idiot?

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For years when we were signing gazza and the like we lapped it up,septic fans told us "your team cant afford to carry on like this " even speirs told us,so for me i did see things coming but whyte (with the help of the scottish media) has just ripped the heart and soul out our club

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Business and sporting integrity are always at odds. I look forward to the day the boot is on the other foot. some clubs are setting themselves up for a big boot in the bawz.

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30 May 2012 11:40:11
Hey All,

I'm just wanting to float my opinion out there regrading the court ruling. I don't have an opinion per se on the actual ruling itself but i do have an opinion on the outrage.

Firstly, why do FIFA and UEFA feel so strongly about being proven wrong? The SFA didn't have a right to impose a transfer ban, the judge acted accordingly and recalled it. No FIFA are annoyed because the law of the land has cast judgement that over rules them, now because of that they are trowing their toys out and threatening all Scottish clubs.

FIFA are not immune to the law. I hope that S truly HTF and Scottish clubs are thrown out, not because i want to see other clubs hurt because i don't but because maybe then we will have other clubs and a football association take FIFA to court and get them taken down a peg or two.

Yes they are the governing body but that doesn't make there rules over ride what is within their remit. Its like saying a bank cant be taken to court by a person when that person has been mistreated by the bank. If said person wins, the Bank Of England can prosecute all other persons.

This law and manner of business is wrong.

FIFA and UEFA need to understand that their rule book isn't above the law.

This is just my opinion and whether Rangers deserve their transfer ban or not is another debate but even as a Rangers fan, i don't want to see Scotland or Celtic punished for what our directors have done but i do want to see the point being displayed across the globe that FIFA can be challenged and that the rules pertaining to football can be overturned by the law that we all have to live by.

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Spot on

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Don't worry FIFA won't punish the Scotland squad or Scottish clubs. It's a threat to get SFA to hammer rangers.
What caused this whole issue is SFA tribunal numbskulls thinking they were doing Scottish football a favour by going light on rangers instead of punishing them properly and sending them to SFL.

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In principal I have little issue with what you're saying here, however I don't believe that this is the time or place to do it.

It's fine taking a principled stand on whether FIFA are above the law, but do it without threatening the prospects of other clubs. For Rangers its a no lose situation, but for Motherwell, Hearts, Celtic etc there are significant matters at stake

What I would say is that if the current judicial panel rules are found to be flawed, then the rules need to be adjusted.

Final point - if you accept that Rangers have brought the game into disrepute with the actions of the club, what should their punishment be?

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You are totally missing the point. FIFA are just saying if you want to play with our ball you play by our rules. If you don't like them go and play in a pub league that isn't associated with FIFA, UEFA or your national association.

One of these rules just happends to be that disputes between a club and their association should be settled at the court of arbitration for sport in Switzerland ratehr than by a local court.

Once again Rangers didn't play by the rules. Once again the only people you have to blame are the people running Rangers.

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Fifa and UEFA have jurisdiction on all clubs who play in there tournaments. Wether right or wrong, they will say go and find your own compitions to play in. Maybe not the best analogy, but like the nightclub which has a sign up, saying management reserve the right to refuse admittance. This is a no win situation as the Swiss federation found out with sion.

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And you need to understand, rangers are not above the law....b

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"but like the nightclub which has a sign up, saying management reserve the right to refuse admittance"

Sorry mate but that is boll*x! No nightclub can refuse me admittance unless there is a good reason, drunk, club full etc etc... not because I am black or have a ginger beard for example. Same with UEFA. IF it happens, and I don't believe it will, that they "force" the SFA to act or ban our clubs from Europe the sh1t will hit the fan! NO body in the world is beyond the law. Don't care who or what you are! Rangers, unlike other clubs in the past who have been bullied, have NOTHING to lose and would fight all the way, UEFA will not risk that...

BB

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I would imagine one of the main reasons for this, aside from the power aspect, is that it could well open the floodgates for court rulings on a ton of different issues. Ireland taking FIFA/France to court over Henry's handball. Part of what we love of football is its "interpretation" How could he be offside etc, that was never intentional hand ball. It might sound daft but we are a hop, a step and a jump away from all these things becoming court issues. I'm not a great fan of UEFA or FIFA but if they are going to be called to task over their rules and regulations I'd prefer it to be for something for the greater good of all football (ie Bosman) rather than one desperate, selfish club fighting every single punishment they get handed.

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The problem is which rule of law is FIFA subservient to, which countries laws take precedence, Nigeria, Iraq USA. Surely it's clear why FIFA insist on governing football

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Listen mate I will put it this way for you.IT'S FIFA'S BALL AND IF THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO PLAY YOU DON'T PLAY so just tell your club to man up take whatever punishment you get and get on with it.

hail hail

Marco1888

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BB That is the point ! NOBODY is above the law. Not even Rangers! When the penalty is expulsion for breaking the rules of a club no court can force readmission.

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Your right nobody is above the LAW fifa,uefa, the sfa.if the sfa had carried out their job properly the law would not be involved.as a rangers fan i include the right of the sfa to expel us as them doing their job as that was a sanction in their remit .in any business,which football is after all, the law will be brought in if the management break their rules with their employees/members.if the sfa had expelled rangers initially, rangers apealled the expultion then the sfa could have left the fines in place and suspended the expultion for say 3 years with view to rangers future conduct, a fair punishment and all in the sfa's remit

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30 May 2012 11:21:54
This a very simple question
Why should rangers not go to a court over the transfer embargo? they have already appealed to the sfa to lift the embargo because it was not in the punishment list, it was made up to suit the crimes, and the sfa said it should stand . so why accept a ruling that never existed in the first place
SFA at fault for this doing imo
jammydodger {Ed039's Note - I know what you are saying but they should have done it through proper footballing channels, ie CAS)

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Correct Ed, rangers have done a bad bad thing, and D&P ARE rangers. Court appointed experts and managers of the club.

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Ed 39 would that option not take a lot longer to resolve? and if so we dont have time on our side mate.
jammydodger {Ed039's Note - Probably yes, but I fear we have made the longterm future you speak of in a precarious position)

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Ed039's Note - it was shown in court that they could not have taken it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport because of an apparent technicality in the SFA rules

so therefore rangers followed the only avenue available to them {Ed039's Note - Fair enough then)

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Rangers could easily have gone to CAS. If there was nothing in the rules allowing an appeal, there was also noting in the rules allowing them to go to CoS. They still did it and could have gone to CAS instead. I doubt the SFA would have tried to block that. This looks like deliberate suicide

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30 May 2012 11:12:54
Ed could you imagine the backlash from Rangers fans if the SFA booted Rangers out of Scottish football. the amount of level headed fans that dont go in for this boycott carry on (myself included) because of what it would do to innocent clubs would probably sign up with the extremists. i can see it now large demonstrations outside the SFA organised disruption of Scottish Cup, International and League games. i know some people will be saying that what about the other teams it will hurt them well this may be true but from what im reading all over the place is the other teams dont give a damn about Rangers so why should Rangers fans give a damn about them after all when you look closely at this the two people responsible for this fiasco Murray and Whyte are walking away scot free and it is us fans who are paying for their mismanagement.

in a horse race if the jockey excessively uses the whip you ban the jockey not shoot the horse or if the owner dopes his horse he is banned from racing for life but the horse is still allowed to race under a new owner.


Lochaber Bear

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Boycott?? we cant do this if we aint playing other teams..... we will cease to exist, impossible to invest in nothing

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"in a horse race if the jockey excessively uses the whip you ban the jockey not shoot the horse or if the owner dopes his horse he is banned from racing for life but the horse is still allowed to race under a new owner."

I think you can bend any scenario to suit yor beliefs.

Try this one;
"If an athlete is given steriods to enahnce their sporting gain, then not only does the coach get banned, but the athlete themselves gets banned as they benefited from the coaches malpractice."

"Lets pretend Murray and Whyte are the coaches give the steriods in form of cash (illegally gained cash) to the athlete in this case the team. "

Rangers wouldnt have succeeded with out the underhand involement.

You got caught cheating ..man up deal with it.

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The horse might be allowed to continue but any races that it won while being doped would certainly be revoked as they would be 'tainted'.

Rangers fans enjoyed the good times under Murray and certainly rubbed their success in the faces of all other fans.
Why then now the bill has come due shouldn't they pay it?

Murray, Whyte and their respective directors WERE Rangers. The notion that it was two men who swindled the fans doesn't hold water.

Mac

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In every case when a club goes in to admin it is not the fans who are to blame.So you are no different from anyone else. No one complained about Murray when you were winning 9 in a row. If Stephen Thomson at United made a mess like Murray and White we would just have to accept that as chairman he was responsible. It is the fact that Rangers do not want to accept any punishment that is getting everyone up in arms.

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Lochaber Bear , i would be interested to hear what you would deem a suitable punishment for Rangers given the seriousness of the situation ? letting Rangers off scot free can not possibly be an option , i look forward to reading your views and solution to this scenario . Drewzybhoy .

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Are you saying the authorities should back down to protests? Then those who hate Rangers -and just now they are the majority -- will countermarch.

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Suitable punishment. Suspension f membership from all SFA SPL tournaments for the same length of time as Whyte's regime withheld tax and NI. Seems fair.

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So you want to punish all of Scottish football even though the fault lies only with rangers ? What a warped mindset. As for demos and boycotts ? Don't make me laugh. If the demos used by rangers fans are anything to go by, damp squib comes to mind. Do you think the Earth will stop because rangers are no more ?It's what you deserve

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On the one hand you say you are level headed and would not go in for this boycott carry on because of what it would do to innocent clubs, then farther down you state why should rangers fans give a damn about them because they don't give a damn about rangers. This is the most contradictory post i have read on here. All the other s.p.l. clubs have not been accused of anything rangaers have because murry and whyte were acting on their behalf. Wake up and smell the coffee

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All you Rangers fans are up in arms about the sanctions imposed , i'm sure you are all intelligent enough to realise and understand that your club has broken the rules and must be penalised in an appropriate manner , if you think these penalties are harsh , then what do you think would be a suitable punishment for your club's transgressions , surely you are not suggesting that we just wipe our mouths and move on , letting yous off scot free , its not a hard question , lets hear your views please .

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Organised disruption of the scottish cup,International and league games, level headed, i think you are a comlete lunatic, what you are suggesting could lead to riot's, go and lie down and give what you call a brain a rest for god's sake.

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30 May 2012 11:12:09
ed you posted the team for next year from the smoker that was so damn funny, but not my comments on how rangers were bringing down the spl and how some rangers fans would prefer to bring the whole league down with them ,so funny printable but the truth is not ,jodrok {Ed039's Note - Sorry but there are so many posts, most of them saying roughly the same thing they can't all be posted I am afraid)

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30 May 2012 10:45:37
look,people and trolling tims,rangers aren't getting shut down because it would ruin too many innocent people's lives.remember,scottish football is best supported football per person in europe?rangers money men are to blame for 'taking' money from people,not ordinary rangers fans.what punishment do people think is far?bogey bear

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They are not punishing the fans, its the club they will punish, everything is being done and has been done in the name of Rangers FC, Murray,Whyte, D&P are working on behalf of the club.

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Actually i was about to disagree with this comment....however, the figures are correct.

Relative to our population for each person in scotland, on average 1.6 of those attend football match (based upon total SPL attendance 3.16M)

However, if you withdraw Rangers AND Celtic, then our per head of population falls to the same average as England.

Fundamentally, the SPL attendance figures are skewed substantially by the Old Firm.

Long story short, the only people to blame for all of this is SDM and whoever else was on the board at the time.

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Rangers "ruined" innocent creditors lives to the tune of £49m (so far). But don't punish us because "that would ruin too many innocent people's lives." I would laugh if I didn't think some of you actually see logic in that.

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30 May 2012 09:29:02
Another Celtic fan coming in peace

Lets be honest here this is what D&P want they knew fine well what there are doing they want to close you down and walk away with there pockets full, they 2 clowns have destroyed Rangers and are now going to damage the Scottish game.

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It is difficult to argue that there is a grain of truth in this, for this firm was Whyte's plant and it is not clear why he wanted them so desperately.

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30 May 2012 00:39:34
ed could we not make a deal with all
of the creditors to pay back all of the money that we owe them but over a couple of years like if we owe 130m then pay back between 5 and 10 m back a year till it is payed off

SM {Ed039's Note - Nobody really wants to do that mate, not green, the blue knights, nobody, people want the club at the cheapest rate possible)

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It is the most sensible post i have read yet, Rangers would get far more respect from all over the football community if they restructured, cut costs and payed all the creditors in full over a period of time, if it took 10 years so be it! As it stands now Rangers will always be known as cheats and thieves who conned every man and their dog out of money!

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Hey, I quite fancy getting a new house - only thing is it costs £2 million, but what I'll do is pay it off interest free over the next 65 years or so..................take a step into the real world people !

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I agree with the post. This would be the only hope for RFC but as you said Ed , that is not the Rangers way.

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30 May 2012 00:55:54
Fellow Bears. I have absolutely no wish to defend those fools D&P presently "in charge" of our Club...however most posts on here are being critical of D&P's decision to take the SFA ruling to a civil court unknowing this could lead to a major head-on clash with FIFA. D&P are non-football people....specialist accountants (allegedly)...but there IS a so called Football Administrator at RFC still being paid a handsome wage who in my opinion should be advising D&P of all footballing regulation at all times. Namely Andrew Dickson...aka "Mini-Bain" as he is referred to within Ibrox. Dickson is still getting paid therefore he should be doing his job. If D&P aren't consulting him, he should be making every effort to ensure they hear his voice. It is his responsibility to know the rules of football. I fear D&P's ignorance in taking the SFA to court to appeal the embargo could result in serious repercussions. Too many Bears on here are overlooking the fact that just because we "won" the appeal against the initial penalty does not mean, the SFA cannot pass a more severe penalty....especially now as they have been instructed to pass penalty based on the existing SFA guidelines.

Mr. Dickson...are you doing your job? If so, you should have been advising D&P against taking the SFA to court. Something...someone...tells me you're hiding in the shadows just happy to be picking up your full salary courtesy of the players deferrals!

SPM

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I really hope I am wrong but since DM sold the club and everything that has come out since, it looks like a newco has been the only goal throughout this whole sorry affair. If the punter in the street can see the potential repercussions on going back to the SFA and forcing them to apply sanctions which they have available and how EUFA and FIFA view member clubs, associations and law courts then dumb and dumber must be well aware of it. All part of a grand plan to wind-up, scrub the debt and start over regardless of what division that is! Successful businessmen rarely make decisions based on their hearts desire.

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Here we go again someone else to blame first of all it is not the fans club it's Craig whytes and was it not the great loyal fans that forced the issue anyway by calling for boycotts you reap what you sow ! Looks like the only option for sfa now is expulsion from the league !

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The embargo shouldnt have been given anyway, its the SFAs own fault

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Someone else's fault---did u not watch the news? SFA acted unlawfully

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I would be interested in Andrew Dickson's version of events.

Personally for months now I've thought D&P actively want Rangers liquidated & I find the idea they didn't know of any possible FIFA sanctions laughable... if I could actually laugh at any of us.

And while I'm on the subject of D&P, can anybody confirm or deny that no PAYE or NI has been paid while D&P have been adminstrators? BB {Ed039's Note - I don't think they would be able to continue in their roles if they hadn't but who knows)

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Anyone who thinks that d&p knew nothing about possible repercusions from fifa still believes in santa, i mean cmon, everyone knew what fifa did to the swiss f.a. to think that because d&p arnt "football people"that they didnt do there homework on this is ludicrous, and if so why didnt smith or mccoist call them and say"guys are you sure about this court case"and explain fifas outlook on this .......... d&p knew all along what the fall out would be on this.......

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Administrators are currenlty making a fortune out of Rangers FC, as are certain other individuals in background. They new exactly the outcomes of taking SFA to court and looks like they have set the whole thing up to be perfectly honest! using Gers support to get their aims?
They have acted unprofesionally throughout their whole time in office, refusing bids from people who had the "capital in place" all be it a small amount! compared to others? Green etc have lodged no monies at any point even though this is major stipulation of Administrators? who is monitoring this debacle and allowed to "step in" answer no one? as Whyte etc well knew when they pushed for their puppets to be put in place.
Green assures everyone he has Whytes shares( most likely! as he is part of his finance group) ready to strip the rest of the cupboard bare and then walk away with more money without a care. Supporters instead of harrasing SFA etc lets start targateing the real problem at present in our club "THE Administrator" lts harrass all their offices emails life in genral.

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What I can not understand is that in every other instance where a firm goes into administration the staffing is slashed immediately. Why did that not happen at Rangers. And again --how can D&P agree to sell more than £100 m (book value) of assets (Ibrox, MP ,players eveything of value) for £5.5m and then say to the creditors --"Go liquidate us there's nothing left. We neeed it all!".

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30 May 2012 00:36:16
D&P say that creditors will only get £950,000 between them if it all ends in liquidation but if the big tax case is lost they will get even less than that under a CVA - liquidation provides more certainty and is perhaps the better option for creditors future planning to manage (in many cases) their huge losses!

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No it is not, they are reffering to HMRC and Ticketus, they will get more through a CVA, even Lawyers and TAX Experts are saying a CVA is the best was forward, the assest of Rangers are not worth much under liqudation.

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Assets not worth much ! They are worth around £ 113 million .Green says he can buy these assets after liquidation for £ 5.5 million ! No brainer !
Ed. why is Green being allowed to but the assests at such a low figure ? What the hell is going on at Ibrox ? I am sick up to the back teeth with all this ! {Ed039's Note - If/when liquidation comes then the assets are sold in a fire sale to highest bidder but others can bid as well so I don't think it's clear cut that it will be him or not IMO)

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Sorry Ed but para 4.23 of the CVA states that if the CVA is not approved then Sevco will buy the business and its assets for £5.5m by 30th July All further terms of that sale have been agreed in advance and are confidential. It goes on to refer to what they have bought (Ibrox MP Players contracts,good name etc) as excluded assets which are outwith the scope of the liquidation sale because they are required for the purpose of continued trading of the company. There would be nothing of value left. Seems like good old fashioned highway robbery.

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29 May 2012 23:40:48
On tv now, sports lawyers and panel now saying its expulsion or expelled. Because there's the initial crime and now the second crime of going to court. Other option of fine or one year out of Scottish cup is just too weak.

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Yeah, but archie mcpherson made a good point - Rangers were in the right - and Scottish football at the level we know now would die without Rangers and Celtic both being present. Although i must admit i would rather that we had just taken our medicine - the men running our club have committed these crimes in Rangers name and have embarrassed our club - we should at least take our punishment, and hope and pray that in the future our club is still there and nothing like this ever happens to us again.

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And...the penny drops

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If I were a Rangers fan I would be really concerned about EUFA and FIFA getting involved. Dumb may now be forcing SFA's hand into applying the worst punishment available. I saw the originla sanctions as a bit of a rap on the knuckles which RFC could have lived with. Even if the SFA high heid yin resigns it might not be enough to satisfy the governing bodies. All this adds weight to Splatter being able to push for a GT Britain sporting body and we lose our independant nation status at the big decision table. This action has wide ranging implications for the whole of Scottish footbal not just RFC

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The pennies dropped too late !

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Could be the equivalent of a Bosman tribunal - - what walk of life in this day & age bars you from taking someone to court, for something which is clearly wrong??

bil72

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Fifa and uefa can because they are a private club and are not legally obliged to give anyone a membership , you know just like the masons you cannot go to court to force them to let you join and if they do let you join they can throw you out at anytime unless you accept their rules , and if they do throw you out their is no way you can force them to take you back , fab1

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How can it possibly be a crime taking a matter to court for justice ??

This just shows how misguided football's governing bodies really are.

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How can it possible be? Well it was against the rules of the organisation. If Rangers do not like abiding by the rules they can go and join a pub league. Then, as the club chairman said on T.V. it escalates and every controversial decision e.g.sending off, disputed penalty etc goes to court. Rangers have known of these conditions for years.

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