Rangers Rumours Archive February 02 2012

 

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02 Feb 2012 23:34:35
Did the protest happen yesterday? If so how many were there?

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One guy was there, ally gave him the thumbs up when he was leaving ibrox in his car... check it out

sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/296214-ally-mccoist-i-am-not-quitting-rangers/

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He was actually signalling a gesture to the celtic fans. unlike the timothies, protests are for lower class and we will get behind our team through good and bad.

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02 Feb 2012 23:20:22
just heard Hernan Crespo has left Parma by mutual consent, he has offers from America and China but could be worth a punt. Even at 36 should still be able to score goals in the SPL.

Heid RTID

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Your aff yer heid heid! He'll hang up his boots and go somewhere decent. Why come to the goldfish bowl and be freezing with his bank balance?

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Because players are 'free'/unattached to a club doesn't mean they will play for nothing! Any idea how much wages are involved mate and how ridiculous your suggestion is? Think about it! Jay

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Read the full story. He's now going to play in the new indian football league, a bit lke the cricket super league, only containing half a dozen has beens (crespo, robbie fowler, and another 4 old geezers) and a thousand indian unknowns (those 2 trialists at ibrox last year'll probably be playing) oh, and tbh i dont think he'd play for the 3-4k a week he'd be on at the gers!

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I'm sure £5000 a week is exactly the salary range he is looking for

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Hes just signed on as the highest paid auction player in the Indian Premier League

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9051204/Hernan-Crespo-most-expensive-player-in-Indian-football-auction.html

so no chance of him coming to the bears!

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He would still be looking for a bigger wage than the club could pay.craig whyte keeps telling us the he is a rangers supporter so as the owner and a supporter he could do a lot worst than finance a deal for someone himself like the chairman of celtic done.what do our fans think of this.

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Crespo is the top transfer in the new Indian super league ... Please do ur homework first b4 posting utter s....

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02 Feb 2012 22:13:05
Francisco Sandaza has hit out at rangers' management because they kept messing him about over his proposed transfer

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Feck this knob nobody knew who he was till he was linked to us, the person on the phone was probs pulling his leg, he doesnt even mention the name of the chap that called him, imo people are just lineing up to have a dig at us cause we are down

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If we weren't in the predicament that we are in, Rangers wouldn't even be looking at this tool for a squad player never mind anything else...Has he spit his dummy out coz Rangers are not gonna bother with him now?

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So what. The guy is a dumplin' whom McCoist lost interest in.

He can spit his dummy as far out his pram as possible....it still won't change the fact he isn't good enough for Rangers.

TTG

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He's mince. i am glad they didnt sign him... better signing no diddies and playing the youth from MP

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He may be far from rangers class, but i;'m disappointed that we treated him so badly. I for one have never heard of us treating a player like this - we're losing what set us apart from other clubs. If we can't make players feel special and wanted like we used to, then we're doomed. Muzz

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Who cares apart from celtic fans lol

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02 Feb 2012 22:03:10
I have just got back in my car after taking my partner out for dinner at cameron house loch lomand,hanging about with entourage was andrew anaranikou,coincidece possibaly,for those who dont no he is the man that headed pompey adminastration,,

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His names andronikou and your talking boll*cks. you think cause he was the administrator at Portsmouth everyone will believe that he would be doing the same job at rangers if you say you seen him. You think he deals with all administrations at football clubs.

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Would you really recognize him?

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You are talkin absolute sh#te! The only reason your usin his name is coz he's the only administrator you've ever heard of! Get a grip! Stop makin up nonsense posts! If you've nothing true to say just don't say anything!!!!

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He works for the CSI now...

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Oh aye you could not miss that well known face

What a load of p@sh

JG

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I doubt whether someone who can't even spell administration properly would be allowed into Cameron House. Your a sh*t stirrer.

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02 Feb 2012 21:46:41
Just seen jelavic interview on ssn I believe what he said don't think he forced the move as is being reported on the rangers website. Just like to thank him for all he done for rangers and wish him all the best at everton.

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02 Feb 2012 21:29:34
ed I heard a rumour that if it is s worse case scenario the Scottish government will step in to prevent rangers going out of business have you heard anything like that an what's your opinion {Ed014's Note - I have heard it but I don't see why they should.Governments have more pressing issues.

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I think a horde of rampaging bears venting their rage across Glasgow would be a pressing issue

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Lets think logically here. If we are found guilty of not paying tax to Her Majesty's Government, they're going to step in and bail us out using taxpayers money if we go into administration. Yep, I can see how that will work.

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Without a doubt if this wasn't so stupid it would be the most disgraceful proposal imaginable. Lets think it through her majesty's revenue rightfully pursue what RFC owe then her majesty's government bail them out, give me strength

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Yeh the government have more pressing issues like sticking their oar in regarding so-called sectarian issues, but when 'riots' kicked off at Ibrox with the Aberdeen louts a couple of weeks ago, did that make headline on the 6 o'clock news, or front page of the daily rags? No, because it didn't involve Celtic or Rangers, who always seem to bare the brunt for all that goes on!

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The Old Firm need each other, if one falls the the other will undoubtedly fall in a few years. The revenue gained by the Scottish Government from both sides of the Old Firm is enough for the Government to try and either ease the blow or at least stop Rangers going insolvent.

We wont go down without a fight anyways.

Yogi-bear

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02 Feb 2012 21:22:07
we still have a pretty good footballing team so how about the fans using some of their energy supporting the team instead of greeting the league is still up for grabs.

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AGREED MATE,,fed up listening to all this speculation and the doom mongers,,lets wait and see the outcome before we start to panic

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Totally agree,too many people not just on here but in the press thinking they know whats going on.lets get on with supporting ally and the team and start to let craig whyte get on with what he said he,s trying to do.like a previous poster said though i think it would be wise for the fans to get together(and i dont just meen season ticket holders) and put together a financial back up plan if whytes attempts at sorting out the mess fails.if a couple of hundred thousand can travel to manchester then surely we can put together a good financial package to help save our club.

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02 Feb 2012 20:59:02
now ali russel has waded in on the jelavic story and he has said jelavic told mcoist he wanted two go these guys are complete liars jelavic gets ma vote for the truth am getting really fed up at these people operating our club they are a bunch of morons

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Jelavic did not look like a man doing something he didnt want to do as he entered Goodison giving it the thumbs up

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Rubbish. You hear this every time a player leaves a club in these circumstances. Why else would the club accept such a pathetic offer unless Jelavic made it clear he wanted to leave. He'll have forced it through, of that I have no doubt. I'm just pleased he's gone to such a no-mark club

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Jelavic the man who went on strike to force through his move to us. I sure he didn't want to go

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Jelavic done the same with rapid! So maybe he's done the same here! Support ur team not slate it! WATP

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He wanted to go. Maybe just the guys general facial expressions and body language but he looked un-interested to me. Yeah, he scored important goals because you cannot hide class... But he never played for the jersey. He always had one eye on EPL.

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We all knew he was going lets move on
stg

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Not surprised if he did want to go! He always mentioned his aim was to play in the English Prem and the state of the club plus no euro football again for him, can he really be blamed?!?

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Before he even signed he described us as a stepping stone to epl,yet some people are suprised he left!

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02 Feb 2012 20:54:48
Ed what sort of timeline are we looking for the verdict in this tax case? Is it this month {Ed014's Note - March I have heard.

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02 Feb 2012 20:49:55
you ed's aw sleeping 2nite or whit... very slow in getting posts up {Ed014's Note - No.It's just the majority of posts aren't worth posting.

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Ed014, you're a bit cheeky lol :-) jay {Ed014's Note - Just truthful.One line posts adding nothing to the threads or just petty name calling will not be posted.

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The editors are starting to smack of elitism lol guys you,ll be out of a job in 5 months time chill out and let us run riot for a wee while..go on admit it this could be fun lol {Ed001's Note - no, it will just consist of bigotry, pathetic childish name calling and abuse if we leave it. Nothing fun about that if you have a mental age above 5.}

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I totally agree! Btw Ed, is ur name Victor? :-)....joking! Jay {Ed014's Note - Ed001 is called Sheldon.

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Haha big bang theory right there :-P,

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To the ed's... i'd like to apologise for complaining aboot how long you's where taking last night, and also for my petty name calling [ think i called sumbdy a plumb] on a post.... was wee bit cranky yesterday lads, am sorry.. keep up the brill work cos its a great place for bears to gather and share opinions.
watp {Ed001's Note - cheers mate, sometimes you have to bear with us, for all sorts of different reasons.}

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02 Feb 2012 19:11:28
Are we not even signing any free agents now?

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02 Feb 2012 19:46:18
In one way the daily rebel article may have been a good thing for us

It has made Mr Whyte come out and respond to allegations and clarify certain issues

I would like to see him go a bit extra and put another statement in the match program this weekend

While i dont want, or expect him, to reveal all the clubs financial details, he could do himself a good piece of PR with some further explanation and reassurance for the fans

The weekend in the match program is the right time and the right place to do it

JG

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Good sense

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Fairly positive article in the sun interviewing him i heard (on talksport this morning). Muzz

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Like that will happen!!

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02 Feb 2012 17:29:43
Anyone know how Matthew Mbuta is getting on in his trial? *ksd*

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He was meant to have started it on Wednesday but there has been no official announcement of a trialist, hopefully we bring in a striker trialist too.

WATP

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Aye, Whyte has told Ally that if Mbuta is looking for anymore than a £100 quid a week, Aluko has to stick it on his credit card, or the deal is a no go!

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Why does that matter we wont sign him anyway


T-Bear

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Im good mates with a youth coach at murray park and he told me that Mbuta basically trained for half the day on Tuesday and then Ally sent him packing as he was nowhere near good enough.

Gordon Smith is the one who keeps throwing these trialists at Ally and none of them are good enough

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It was a disaster as he burnt the meals in the Canteen. Only employed within the Catering Section.

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I am all for bring guys on trail as we can`t make any mistakes on signing players that are not good enough when we have no money,but this boy from cameroon is not the answer.he was at a team in the u.s 2nd division called crystal palace baltimore and only scored 2 goals in 25 games (check his wikipedia),a very poor record my anyone`s standards.for me someone who can`t score in the 2hd division in of a league that is not the best anyway should me be considered.does the owner or the managers think that bringing this guy on trail the day we lose the best player at the club is ok,its a f*****g joke and a kick in the teeth,not just the fans but the players training at murray park.

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02 Feb 2012 17:15:12
Jelavic on TV saying he spoke to mccoist n said he was happy to stay white said he forced the move more lies this guy can't be trusted we r being run buy crooks

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Whyte also said that in their financial position they couldn't turn down a serious offer.

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He also said

if the club were to sell me to get the money they need, then that would suit me too."

JG

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02 Feb 2012 16:23:53
whyte claims jelavic wanted two go and was practly forced to sell him well its come to light jelavic sayed he would have been happy to stay at rangers ino who i believe
another lie from whyte i think

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Just seen that mate. And that's what I thought was happening on jan 31st. What a joke, whyte tring to blame on jellyfish and ally. Boy gets f***in worse. I never have and I never will trust Craig whyte!!

Scooby

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Does it really matter now that Jelavic is gone. Look forward not in the past. Get behind the team and manager now instead of raking up pointless things.
In Ally We Trust
Followfollow81

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Top poster spot on ,to the 2nd post sheep wake up and smell the roses get the crook out

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I think it was clear that jela had been mulling over a jan transfer for months. hence his poor performances... if ye dont want to back yer club, manager and owner. follow everton m8

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Point is we will get behind the team but sumthing must be done about whyte he is a liar full stop if u believe him then u need ure head looked at there should be protests before the game and after it two demand answers from this conman i will always support my team. just not the man thats running it

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Will u lot wake up, have u seen the way he was playing? u even go to games! he wanted to leave. anyway hurts to say be we need cash so deal with it!

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That's all I've done is back my club. The only person I dont back is the idiot that goes by the name whyte!!

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He was playing the way the rest of the team was playing........ s**te!! But at least he had 17 goals to back him up!!

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Think it is important to address this, the man is a fraudster, a charlatan, a proven liar and yet so many sticking their heads in the sand. What does it take for those blindly ignoring what's going on. I still think there are deluded fans who believe its all going to be ok! Get a grip

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He also said

if the club were to sell me to get the money they need, then that would suit me too."


JG

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Everyone wants answers from Whyte. Think the interview in todays Sun answers most peoples questions. Not sure if all was true but its not like we can beat the truth out him with sticks.

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That article doesnt answer the questions its all lies two pawn us off he is a compulsive liar

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Yes we need the cash, only slight problem is finding it,the man is either very very clever the way he is playing this or is sitting at home rubbing his hands at all the fools that will finance anything that he could wish for in the future , which will not include our beloved club

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I think I have to agree with the previous post...its all money in whytes bank account Ibrox will shut down..sorry guys you,ll just have tae go tae firhill and watch the reserves on saturdays./..

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Jellyfish almost trebled his wages moving to Everton, n u all think he would say "no I dont want to treble my wages I will just stay here for the love of the club n fans" aye right he has no interest in Rangers accept to generate an income for him. He may well have been happy to stay, if we trebled his wages to match.

To all the posters who think Jellyfish would do this ask yourselves, would you refuse to triple your wages for the good of Rangers? Somehow I dont see many of us doing that!

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02 Feb 2012 15:35:39
Can someone tell me if Rangers can still sign Enar Jaager?
Jordan Mcmillan leaving was absolutely ridiculous, don't be surprised to see him at Celtic in a few years.

Ally seems to make up these phantom injuries to cover up the fact that he doesn't wan't to try these players out. JM was way better than Kyle Bartley in that position.

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The mcmillan thing is going a bit far, he was a below average player !! people are making out he was an up and coming youngster, 23 man !

FauldsRFC

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But bartly can play in a few positions. That's why he got the vote over McMillan. Still dont think he should have been sold tho mate!

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If he is still a free agent , yes then can

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Agree with above. Ally sees the guy in training everyday so he clearly thought McMillan was not good enough. End of story.

CJM

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Ever thought these young lads have been loaned out to gain vital first team experience as they may have to be our first team next year.

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Well us fans spend our money and one of Rangers best performances was away to Motherwell where Mcmillan and Perry both played, Mcmillan also came on against Liverpool and did well, so why sell him, when we have no cover?

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The only man wi that answer is CW!

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I am sure Jordan was offered a new contract which he turned down. He wanted first team football.

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It`s really sad that a young scottish guy who is a right back can`t get a game in his position in front of a center halve.why is ally not willing to give this guys a chance.it is obvious that bartley is not comfortable in that position and it is only a matter of time before it cost us.

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I`m sure that E. Jääger would be the best option for strenghtening the squad. Think he would be in the starting 11.

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How is McMillan leaving ridiculous? The boy is 23 years old and can't work his way into the 1st team. He isn't good enough.

Main poster: I bet you are the type of guy who will demand that we start playing all the youngsters then when the Scheidt hits the fan you will blame the inexperience of the youngsters.......

TTG

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02 Feb 2012 16:00:28
what happend to the cameroon player is he still on trial
william.

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He's still on trial m8.. "ba" his name is... check his video out on you tube....
sweet finisher lol.......watp

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Not guilty....col

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Wots the cameroon lads name any 1

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Cameroon "ba"...... lol.... aboot all we could afford the noo

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No its not his name is matthew mbuta you complete bafoons.

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Jesus, the guy above obviously didnt get the joke

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Aye pal sum people just dont grasp it eh.. to be fair its a while since we heard that in ibrox " get yer macaroon" lmfao.....

watp.

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He was sent home on tuesday as he was as rank as Andy Cameroon

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He only arrived on tuesday so musta been a quick trial

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02 Feb 2012 15:54:41
I reckon the tax man will agree a reduced one of payment from Rangers as they will know 49 million will put the club under and it's in the best interests of so many people that this club continue operating as it is a profitable business. Perhaps 10-15 million would settle this, or maybe a plan over so many years to pay it back. I'm confident about this also I think Craig Whyte and his team are only with Rangers short term 3-4 years then we will be back on track.... (That's the dream I had last night) I'm hoping it's all true.

Ryzabear

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Colours to the mast first - Celtic fan. I can understand why this might have some appeal, however I think you need to look at the Portsmouth example as an indicator of HMRC intentions. As for it being a profitable business, can I ask any Rangers shareholders when if ever they have received a dividend? On current costs, based on Whyte's statement on the web site Rangers is currently running at a £10m a year loss, so I think there would be little hope of paying a £15m settlement.

I understand that something in that region was offered to HMRC previously and was turned down. Throw in the monies owed to Ticketus (yet to have an explanation what happened to the £24.5m received in May), and I think the club is heading for Administration regardless of the outcome of the tax case.

Final point - the refusal of any reputable firm of Accountants to sign off on the company accounts to the end of December should be sending alarm bells ringing. What is contained there that Whyte does not want published and can't get agreement on? I don't know but I would be worried.

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The airport bear ... If we loose the tax case the payment must be paid in full !

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A profitable buisnness????????pmsl,best joke so far ya muppet!!!

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What do you mean a profitable business. You just don't understand do you?

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Celtic fan..... that 24m is very probably stored away in an untraceable account in the virgin isles for a sunny day after administration.... dont get too excited ya plumbs, make no mistake whyte is going to get us thru this quickly shrewdly and efficiently.... tar him all ye like, but you'll feel a right dick when he turns this around

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You are a craig whyes wet dream m8!!!!in DENIAL!.its 24million spent keeping yer club goin fae day to day running from last september,plus the 18million yous still owe,as whyte aint paid it,and yer 10million black hool,all befor tax case!!!IN WHYTE WE TRUST,haha.end game sooooooon,ya banger

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From RFC UNAUDITED accounts lodged with Stock Exchange.These figures do not include any liability for the big tax case.
Creditors due paid within 1 yr £49m
Crediyors due paid longer term £22m

That's £71 debt before tax case result.ST books mortgaged(25000 approx per year) for 4 years.Even if we win the tax case we've still got to deal with the above,repay ST loans,and run the club.if we don't publish audited accounts by March 31st there will be no European football,therefore less income.we're in trouble whatever happens.

Here's a question for all ST holders.Are you going to renew your ST before the tax case result,knowing that if the case is lost and the club go out of business(there will be no deal with HMRC,they'll demand payment in full)you'll lose your cash,or are you going to wait and see what happens?.

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Do you honestly think that the TAX man will negotiate ? and where would that leave all the paupers who have paid the previous bills that they owed.....negotiate? MaButt

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Sorry but the tax man does not care about status ie lester piggot.

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On that paragon of truth accuracy Clydesdale Superscoreboard tonight. Rangers weekly running costs were quoted at around £600,000. On that basis it takes £31.2m before sending any money on players etc. Whyte's own estimate was that costs were £35m, so since the takeover in May, running costs were about £23m. Offset season ticket income of approx £12m, plus sponsorship & tv money, there is still a huge gap, which would in most years be offset by European income, which didn't happen other than for the qualifier home games.

The sale on Jelavic perhaps gives 7 or 8 weeks of running costs, and by that estimate the club runs out if cash in late March or early April. No money sitting in an nmarked account.

As already pointed out, if the tax cases are not resolved by the 31st March, no European football of any kind next year. Some form of insolvency happens before the end of the season, without massive cash injections. Even if by some means the club survives beyond that, half the money raised by season ticket sales needs to go to repay the Ticketus loan.

Rangers as you know it will cease. When is the only true question.

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Rangers as you know it will cease............................................................... geez piece.. youz timothys are FULL of false hope

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Ask yourself these questions, how did I gain this level of astute analysis of finnancial awareness, when was I acquired this firm grasp of business acumen? Was it the years of boring study? or did you just read it on RTC?

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Stop eating cheese before you go to bed at night.

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European games or euro tv, prize coin has not been taken into account, i know we got knocked out but getting in the group stages would easily overturn a 10m loss, if that happens ever again! rangers were reducing debt every season until whyte came in humped the lloyds debt on another company borrowed against season tickets, lent 20 odd million- he`s taking the club apart administration will come as the title looks miles away ( lets be honest) with this current team-whytes a dodgy b**tard and he isnt anywhere near as rich as he wanted us to think if he has any real cash money at all- he will do everything to avoid paying the tax sum
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02 Feb 2012 15:28:34
Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs is currently investigating whether a number of professional football, rugby union and rugby league clubs and players owe the Revenue unpaid tax relating to image rights payments made by clubs to their players in addition to the remuneration which players receive under their playing contracts.

HMRC’s Civil Investigations Unit is considering whether more than 100 arrangements involving clubs paying their players in respect of their image rights – being the right to use, license and commercially exploit that player’s name, image and other personal attributes – are effectively depriving HMRC of income tax.

Historically, image rights payments have not been treated by the tax authorities as taxable because technically they do not constitute income and clubs do not have to pay national insurance or PAYE in relation to such payments as a result.

However it is believed that many professional clubs have attempted to exploit this tax regime by unfairly apportioning excessive payments in respect of image rights and reducing remuneration payments under playing contracts.

Such measures present an additional benefit to foreign national players playing in the UK, the majority of whom are non-domiciled and consequently are only taxed on foreign investment income and capital gains on a remittance basis although image rights tax regimes in France, Spain and Italy are better established and more developed. Last year HMRC abandoned plans to demand withholding tax from any foreign players appearing for English clubs who win prize money from appearing in European elite competitions such as the 2011 UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League.

It is understood that nearly half of all Premier League clubs are in the process of being investigated. The Premier League is attempting to broker a deal with HMRC on Premier League clubs’ collective behalf. In rugby union, a collective settlement has already been agreed between HMRC and Premier Rugby, the company which represents the collective of clubs participating in the Guinness Premiership.

In February, a representative of the Premier League stated that: "Discussions are ongoing with HMRC to try to reach a mutually acceptable position. Both sides agree that it is acceptable for the assignment of a proportion of income to image rights, however the question is how best to decide what is a reasonable level across a multitude of varying contracts and levels of player."

Nine years ago, HMRC lost a landmark case against the then Arsenal players Dennis Bergkamp and David Platt in relation to claims made by the tax authorities that image rights payments made to offshore companies controlled by the players constituted a form of tax avoidance. Platt and Bergkamp were able to take advantage of the offshore structuring because they were non-domiciled, having previously spent a substantial amount of time playing in Italy.

Since that decision, it has been common practice for many players’ representatives to establish offshore image rights companies to which the players assign or grant an exclusive licence of their image rights. In this way players benefit from the lower corporation tax paid by their companies.

Some stakeholders consider that HMRC is unfairly targeting the sports market to recoup additional taxes, and therefore placating the public at large by taking from those who can more easily afford to pay.

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The tax man is desperately trying to get money from anywhere. there will be more instances / stories similar to rangers in the coming years....

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Am just wondering.. were we paying "image rights" to players through their EBT's.... in which case, we should win ! just as berkamp and platt did....... Its time gers fans stop climbing on the media bandwagon.. i'm sure craig whyte will get us thru this mess, by paying out as little as possible... he's just making us look like poor wee gimps, heez playing the game perfectly my brothers... stop beleiving "all" the pish you read... In whyte we trust, cos, watp

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And your point in relation to tax case is...
Avoidance v evasion - 2 entirely different instances my friend
No deals etc etc when case lost, which it undoubtably will be

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02 Feb 2012 13:35:43
Please print this ED....Rangers former chief executive Martin Bain has dropped a legal bid to secure more details of the club's tax debts.

His lawyers had brought forward the move ahead of his damages claim against his former employer.

He is pursuing the Ibrox club for £900,000 in a compensation case due to be heard this summer.

Following debate at the Court of Session Nicholas Ellis QC indicated a motion to explore the club's finances further would be dropped.

Bain had been seeking more details of Rangers' tax debt, and of claimed assignation of ticket money
...............Remember this story?. Now we know why MR Bain dropped the legal bid to look into Rangers tax case. Perhaps he was pooing himself about his own involvement in this EBT case....Nivbear.

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This story about Vain dropping his case happened a few weeks ago it was all over the news everyone knows about it !!!

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Bain has been robbing Rangers blind for years like ALL of the previous board. The sooner the fans accept and understand this the better.

That man Johnston makes me sick.....He has failed us all; grossly.

GDog
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Old news.

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Old news yes, but if you read the post it's clear I'm highlighting the story after yesterdays events, where it appears Bain has also used the EBT.

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02 feb 2012 12:34:24
hi ed is andy little still injured and if so how long? {Ed001's Note - he has been back fit for a while now.}

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He was on the bench last week. I watched him warm up at half time too. finally he has a chance of playing a string of games. healy is unlikely to remain fit... at least lafferty is coming up to his best part of the season (the last quarter where he score most of his goals lol)

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Celtic fan in peace, just wondering if Little is any good, seen very little of him apart from a really nice trick in one of your European matches last year.... would he be a better option to healy? And do uz rate Hemmings?? Another promising player I dont know much about. ChrisBhoy

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02 Feb 2012 12:20:33
Had a call last night from an ex-chief inspector that someone in strathclyde force has been informed that they will be required to accompany the administrators in to ibrox very soon, possabilities are administration or even liquidation.. hope not!

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Not very clever, clearly a person from the dark side trying to sh##stir. If and it remains an if Rangers were to go into Administration it would be a prepack controlled by Whyte due to his secured creditor status. There is no possibility of a Liquidation process. Clearly silly timmy does not have any financial grasp other than what he hopes for.

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What a complete lot of nonsense... nothing will happen until the Tax case has been ruled on, you don't know anything or your ex inspector friend... the details will never be made public ruling until after the fact, get a life and stop the lies, this is getting pathetic now.

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Another load of p1..sh.. timmy......trueblue......

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Rubbish! My uncle is a chief inspector in glasgow right now. I just text him and he said that strathclyde police have not been asked to be involved in anything and he hasnt even heard of such a rumour. We all have our thought and ideas but stop making up rubbish!
Tully

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The clue is in the EX part of that statement

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Utter garbage.

Nobody in Strathclyde police force has been informed of this.

My GF's dad is Acting Sargeant of the Johnstone area and he has insisted it is all scaremongering, it's utter nonsense.

Don't listen to these muppets.

TTG

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Why would the police be involved? when a club or company go into administration, the administrators just come in and lock doors so nobody gets in.

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I just called one of my contacts within the police(very high up ),i sit beside him at every home match in the clubdeck and he has heard nothing about this,more made up crap.

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Timothy mischief making....that's all

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02 Feb 2012 11:13:09
does every 1 not think this is all getting a bit childish the board blame whyte he blames them whyte is the 1 at keeps lying two all of us all and keeps delaying the agm
we need serious qestions of this man asked like wer has the season ticket money gone wer is the money u promised in the summer and in january and whats happend two not needing two sell any players these need answerd he was trying sell jelavic two any team at wanted him so much for no players out

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As edd001 explained to me, whyte may have bought the club knowing some of the money desasters, but he may not have knowing it was this big and this bad!? by no rights am i backing whyte, but mayb hes out of his debt and now shyt scared to tell his teams fans? hence no rangers fan can tell wtf's going on?
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Hi there, the AGM CANT be arranged because they cannot sign off the accounts untill they have done a viability excercise to confirm that they have the ability to keep the business afloat for the next six months. As we have the tax case pending they are unable to sign that part off. You dont hold an AGM untill the accounts are signed off.

Also, it is pretty childish the arguing back and forward, however, this is more the ex boards fault. This now has nothing to do with Whyte, they have some ex board members who have been taking far too much out of the club, now they are sitting in the background taking pop shots, which, lets face it isnt helping at all. These same directors were taking money out through EBT's.

I still have a lot of questions for Whyte however im not being so stupid as to think that these former directors dont have their own agenda.

As it stands, we had everyone, Whyte, Paul Murray, Andrew Johnston and the likes claim they have the best interests of the club at heart. To this date though, Whyte was the only one who was willing to commit. Its very easy to sit and oppose and ridicule. Whyte is our only option and the sorry fact is that most Rangers fans are getting their info from the Daily Record, which has a cheek to call itself a newspaper. They have taken a very deliberate stance of sniping at Whyte.

As a Rangers fan im fed up with the stories coming about Whyte and i want him to be up front with us but due to the fact we dont have an option meaning that we HAVE to trust him, its his club.

Give him untill after the tax case to show us his plan, as he said.

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I think in the middle of all this hysteria we have got to look and say that really we have only lost one first team player in Jelavic and hopefully gained one in Celik.

We have held onto Davis, McGregor, Naismith and Edu who we were told would be gone at one stage or another so maybe it is not all that bad.

We have the guys who have been over the course and maybe now Celtic will under estimate us.

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It's to not two... you are right though

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'It's to not two... you are right though'


Stop being patronising...its a fans posting site not a spelling test. The substance of the posters message is absolutely clear and the point is well made

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Don't talk pish, you CAN have an AGM without having accounts signed off.

Have an AGM and let everyone involved know what's going on at the club.

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Rumours circulating that Whyte is going to get arrested the minute he returns to Scotland for Tax Fraud

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"Don't talk pish, you CAN have an AGM without having accounts signed off.

Have an AGM and let everyone involved know what's going on at the club."

The point in the AGM is to notify SHAREHOLDERS the financial footing of the club and other issues. You have nothing to notify Shareholders of if you dont have your accounts singed off. You could have it but it would be pointless.

Just because Big Tam fae Govan here wants a meeting doesnt mean its the right thing.

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Its all Murray's fault Whyte is the Grim reaper come to do what he does best wind up companies!

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02 Feb 2012 10:00:54
from speaking to a few friends of mine who are chartered accountants,it is my understanding that if craig whyte takes the club into administration BEFORE hmrc dig their claws in and ask for their money then craig whyte becomes the preferred creditor and hmrc will get nothing,sure some EXPERTS can come in with facts.

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Nicola jelavic was the man pictured in newspapers chained to goalposts at Everton FC. He had just been told his transfer had fallen through..
The tims are loving this .. Hail hail.!

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I am no expert but your two friends no doubt also told you that the court will appoint an administrator who will run the club during the period of administration, it will not be Craig Whyte who would be in charge

JG

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Lest there is any doubt Craig Whyte is and will remain the secured creditor given his holding co hold Rangers debt. If the court case goes against us he in his position as secured creditor will be in charge as he will take action prior to the crown being able to do so. He will arrange what is known in the Insolvency trade as a prepack with him buying the assets of Rangers back for the value of his debt from the Administrator. This will all have been agreed with the Administrator prior to going into the process hence its name prepack. What will HMRC get, nothing.

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If 35% or more of the total outstanding debt is owed to HMRC they have the powers to veto any arrangement a company and an administrator agree. And it seems to me that HMRC are using this as a test case to go after billions in unpaid tax so I can see them veto any payment plan which seeks to stiff them out of cash. Nobody is sure of how the tax case will go but if the news of indemnity forms on loan repayments from the EBTs are true it doesn't look good for Rangers

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If it was as easy as that , Rangers would already be in administration .

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25% not 33%.
Administration not really suitable for Whyte,receivership more likely.That way whyte gets to appoint receiver who's first duty is to recover debt to person who appointed him(whyte).
Doesn't matter though,any form of insolvency event would probably result in closure.Pre-pack the best option but msjor pitfalls.if we go out of business we can't just start up again.we'll have no players,almost certainly no stadium,no SFA license,and no membership of the SPL.Anyne who says this isn't so is wrong.A new club could be formed but it may not be allowed to use the name "Rangers".There are a lot of hurdles to be overcome if we end up liquidated.It's not just a case of close Friday start Monday with same points,carry on as usual.Also if HMRC think that any new business is just replacing old to avoid paying tax then they will act accordingly.they may also levy a security deposit against new club in lieu of future taxes.

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02 Feb 2012 05:31:39
Ok i have heard Abramovic is looking at taking over the club have you heard anything about this Ed? Btw if it ends up on the news you heard it here first. from a Celtic fan.

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Never heard so much rubbish in my life, it had to come from a tim.

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I'm not sure thats right....I dont think you can be the owner or have interests of two clubs within the same governing body e.g UEFA. There is a conflict of interest which I think is the reason Dermot Desond sold his stake in Manchester United...Ed - is that right or wrong?
Don74 {Ed001's Note - there are ways round it, but anyway, why would he want to buy Rangers? He wants the Champions League, how would buying Rangers help him to gain that?}

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Watever ur smokin mate stop now before its too late.

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To be honest, i don't believe this one bit, but if he did buy rangers and basically bought the league every year, he would almost be guarenteed entry into the champions league every season. Chelsea might struggle to get into the champs league now due to the competitiveness of it.

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Highly Unlikey but it can be done as I believe Mad Vlad has a majority share in FC Kaunus as well as Hearts

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I think Rangers are in enough trouble with HMRC without having a Russian oil billionaire using them to launder cash

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I heard of this wether its true or not I don't know but Mad Vlad has a majority share in Hearts and FBK Kaunas cos he transfers players between them all the time i.e Zaliukas, Skacel etc.

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Just to clear it up... Uefa have rules against someone having majority shareholding in two clubs competing in the same Uefa competition so altho it wouldn't affect any takover in the short term, long term it's a no go

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Erm...Abramovic owned Chelsea, not Hearts. That's Romanov.

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02 Feb 2012 10:25:46
so ally knocked back the chance to get sandaza in cos he didnt want a squad player? hmmm. in december was he a first choice pick then? mark guidi claimed he knocked back three players on deadline day cos they were only squad players and no better than what was there.fine ally,but dont start whining about the size of your squad then,cos you sure aint blameless!

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I think its about time Rangers fans stopped buying the Daily Record every story is anti-Rangers.They have a definate agenda against our club especially keith jackson.I have complained to the daily record twice in the past few weeks about stories that have appeared,not just football ones i hasten to add but if you check back on stories to do with bigotry the record always distort the facts to make us look bad.So lets see how long they last without our money.If you take this mornings story about fran sandaza it has no quotes from the gers only from a 3rd party not named.So pleae ed print this and lets make a stand

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They would have been panic buys. He was right to stand firm.

I no longer buy any papers, the hysteria is crazy!!

GDog
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02 Feb 2012 10:23:30
The current turmoil at Ibrox will see McCoist leaving to be replaced by lifelong Rangers fan Jimmy Calderwood.

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Its true i spoke to him about it and he thinks he is the right man for the job can work miracles with no money

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Rumours fae a SUNBED shop!! Whatever next?

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He must be cheap then, Mr Whyte likes cheap and cheerful

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02 Feb 2012 10:15:05
The thing that I have never seen mentioned, is who advised Rangers to set up the EBT in the first place ? I know that this was normally a specialist accountant. Surely is their advice is shown to be incorrect (ie we lose the tax case), then the onus should turn on Rangers pursuing them for damages, which I'm sure they will have indemnity insurance for.

Maybe when all the PPI claims dry up, we'll see the adverts for mis-sold EBT's!

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EBT's are Legal so being advised is not wrong. They way David Murray set them up is wrong , he became gready and twisted the terms so he could receive more money for himself .

Rangers couldn't sue anyone as they set it up the wrong way.

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Mate, you can be soundly advised on how to use these schemes but Rangers stepped over the line and abused the scheme to avoid paying tax.

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Read the Rangers Tax case blog...you will find your answer in there....His name is Paul Baxendale-Walker...or google him if you think that site is still just "timmy" lies!

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02 Feb 2012 06:26:53
Just a thought. Could this £24mil from season tickets be to pay off the taxman?

Gazza72

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Gazza72

I was thinking the same thing, time will tell

JG

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To be fair it has been my first thought since it was mentioned that it had 'went missing' possibly taken a loan of 24 hide it away safely and wait the preverbial hits the fan. At least offers a safety net. and should there be a lower settlement will also allow large investment within the club. These things are done for a reason. There are many more private company's whyte could of used to get money out of. I highly doubt he would use rangers to rip off for his own benefit givin that hes a fan and it would most likely not be in the best interests of his own safety. Why would he use a footbal club that would cause national outrage when there are plenty other companys he could do it to without any1 batting an eyelid. Maybe just maybe he is genuinly tryin to save the club im sure he stands to make a far larger profit on a stable club then if he drives it into the ground. Also should he save the club im sure many peoples opinions on him would change. Dont listen to everything the media wants you to believe. There is so much scaremoungering going on lets be honest only the people within the club know the real truth all we can do is wait and continue to get behind the team.

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I agree with stu, it would take a very brave man to screw Rangers. The only thing that worries me is losing our identity and history, and even though MR Whtye might think he's doing the right thing, I just hope he realises the importance of this. I would rather sell the whole team and start over with the kids if thats what it took to save our identity..Nivbear.

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If it was to pay off the taxman then he is about 20million short! LOL Admin is the only way out this...End of!

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They don't do flights to the moon yet, cos' that's the only place he could go if he didn't do the right thing. So keep beleiving!

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02 Feb 2012 02:25:11
Big exclusive interview with Craig whyte in tomorrows s*n

Ryzabear

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Mr Tight blaming other people, still no questions answered abut the missing millions

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02 Feb 2012 09:00:14
Ed. Is it true nacho novo has signed a pre contract to come back to this great club {Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of.}

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Im new here can anyone explain who edoo1 is he seems to have all the answers {Ed001's Note - I wish I had all the answers!}

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02 Feb 2012 00:49:24
quick question ed , how long is hemmings out injured for ,
cheers. william {Ed014's Note - There is no set date for his return.

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02 Feb 2012 00:35:12
Hmmm interesting developments at Ibrox. Previous members of Rangers board benefited from the EBT scam that threatens the club.

Where does the scandal end?

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That would explain why they are desperate to pin all the blame on CW..Nivbear. If true.

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Hope it f@ckin bain .......if theres a g_d in heaven

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Hope Bain is one, if true.

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Your right, it's in the sunsport in the morning, and the board members in question are Martin Bain (yes) and John mcclelland. Whyte answers questions asked by the sun..Nivbear.

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Rangers are in meltdown lol lol lol and to think that u all belived this mr whyte was a billionaire ...more like a pound stretcher

Bye bye ranges cheeeeerio

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Not just Bain and McClelland, there are 2 more being reported.

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Strange how you all believe what the papers are saying now,would rangers as a club still be using ebt,s ie bain mc clelland etc when you consider thats the reason the club are in court....could be more lies from mr whyte.

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The scandal ends where it did at parkhead when mcann took over!but I will point out something with regard to the celtic support who are all taking great delight in the demise of rangers!you are all
still subject to the bad situation that the rest of us are in too and sooner or later you will face the national economic hardships the same as the rest of us- and if you are decent people you will put your families first not a football team but thats your choice stop blustering and see the realities of life around you.your fantasy island wont last forever either..

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I cant beleive the last board can have the cheek 2 be sticking the boot into whyte for his running of the club when they were part of the scheme thays threatening 2 put our club into admin. If they had any decency they would stop and put their hands up to the blame

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Once again fellow bears our white knight has spoken out and like loyal subjects we as rats come running back, but not this time? Guys smell the coffee!! This is another white smoke screen. we must make a stance now!!

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"Strange how you all believe what the papers are saying now,would rangers as a club still be using ebt,s ie bain mc clelland etc when you consider thats the reason the club are in court....could be more lies from mr whyte."

I read this before it reached the papers and tend not to believe most of what the papers say. No, they are not using EBT's but were until Whyte took over. I wonder if there is a coincidence that 3 of the bigger players contracts were renewed when Whyte arrived and the EBT's being stopped.
Food for thought but were these players being paid via such a scheme?

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