Rangers Rumours Archive July 24 2012

24 Jul 2012 18:37:30
heard from a mate of mine that ian murry has been offered a contract with dunfermline but has stalled on signing for them as ally has been in touch and he wants to here what rangers are offering don't know if its true but would be a good signing for div3

This is becoming a joke. Be lucky next year if our turnover is £10m. Alexander, McCulloch, Broadfoot and Goian alone will take nearly £3m of that. Add in the coaching staff at £2m, and the rest of the players and backroom staff, say £5m and that's it gone. That's without allowing a penny for the running and operating costs for Ibrox and Murray Park plus the management charges being taken out by Green and co.
£2k per week is the most we can afford to pay anyone and even then it will be a struggle.

Have we learned nothing?

We have no money, even 40,000 ST's at £250 average is £10m. There is no other serious income coming in.

Green was talking about cutting the wage bill by 50% if we stayed in the SPL.
FFS if you take Alexander, Broadfoot, McCulloch, Goian, Wallace, Boca, Edu and Bedoya that's £6m minimum for them. Then there is the rest of the players, coaching staff and back office. We will be in admin again before Xmas if we are paying the likes of Shiels £7k per week on top of what we already have.

24 Jul 2012 17:47:47
Rangers in talks with St Mirren over former Sheffield Wednesday winger Gary Teale.

SSN

Lets hope it is true w.a.t.p corby blue boy

Hope,not he`s awful

24 Jul 2012 17:08:09
Beattie,black teale to sign,little on 4 year contract.decent players esp for d3 who else yous guys think we should go for?

These players are here not only for 3rd div but the 3 cups they are in , McCoists target must be a good run in all cups and even maybe a couple of cup games against celtic ? he knows this is possable and can not send out youngsters alone against them we would get mauled big style ?

Dean shiels, and mabey fran sandaza

A decent lawyer wouldn,t go amiss

Why would these players go to 3rd division and earn 3rd division wages. Will they be part time like all 3rd division teams

24 Jul 2012 14:57:19
Rangers are trying to sign mark hill from hamilton. Although young he is a player mccoist has had good reviews and someone they think has a big future.
Also if we could afford the wages for either i would prefer riorden to beattie just purely on injuries as now doubt both would rattle in a barrow load of goals in this league

Is that the same boy who signed for Celtic yesterday?

He's just signed for your biggest rivals.... No not Queen of the south!! CELTIC....
Why make up stuff when u know nothing?

Bigbadjohn

Prefer Riorden to Beattie....you're needing the medicine man....double dose as well.

He signed for Celtic and has just turned 14, so not exactly what we need at this time, we can sign under 18's anytime it is the senior players we need to sign up before the embargo starts.

From what i hear benny hill could do a better job! Ger76

24 Jul 2012 14:16:27
Beattie very impressive in training today, Ally and Kenny delighted with him, Blackie only on light work.
Both will get 2 year deals all being well.

Hope your right , but wouldnt be to suprised if one or both end up somewhere else with tails of protracted contract negotiations and alike remember last year ! Ger76

Northern Ireland striker Andy Little is poised to sign for the new Rangers, according to the Ibrox club's website.

The 23-year-old, who came through the former club's youth ranks but was on loan to Port Vale last year, was out of contract at the end of last season.

But Charles Green, chief executive of parent company Sevco, told the club website: "Andrew Little is coming back to the club.

"We've agreed terms with him and hopefully he will re-sign tomorrow."

Rangers are in negotiations to secure membership of the Scottish Football Association, which is required to allow the new club to start the season against Brechin City in the Ramsden's Cup on Saturday.

Beattie yer new hero the guy is pish

Why pay relatively big wages to a guy that will likely spend more time on the physio's bench than playing matches?

Rangers with a few old heads and a team of youngsters will romp this league, in fact, I'd guess it will be over by Christmas so why when the club is desperately short of cash do we need the likes of Craig Beattie. Or for that matter Ian Black?

Let's face it guys, as far as I can tell a player like Lee McCulloch will be on higher wages than entire squads of players in this Division.

We need to be financially prudent and bring on the up and coming talent from Auchenhowie.

BARNEY BEAR

How do you know ?

Where's the money for wages coming from ?

Beattie. impressive.....Thats a first......he'll spend 2/3rds of a contract in the medical centre.

What kind of money are they looking for?anymore than a grand a week and forget it.

How can we afford them? More EBT skullduggery?

Great signings if we pull them off but both are far better than div 3 football and I fear will most probably end up elsewhere.

Black has signed a 3 year deal...if we get in div 3

Beattie wants to go to Gers
Doesnt want to go back down south, young family.
Sitting down on Wed and will not be hard to deal with

How many players has Ally been given leave to sign, and what positions?

There must be no other offers on the table ! Also no guarantee either of them will survive the third division style of football !

Black has been offered a 3 year deal but an offer for beattie has yet to be tabled although ally would like him onboard. meanwhile andy little will sign a new deal on wednesday.

What about Rory McAllister to play along side him, scores well in that div. and could be schooled and trained to be better by Ally and company.

Beattie is a product of Murray Park and was told that he did not have a future at Ibrox, thats why he joined Celtic, now at the end of his career we take him back, if he was not good enough at the start why is he good enough now!

We're you watching him train? Not convinced either will add anything tangible other than to our wage bill

Andy Little resigning tomorrow

The way thing`s are shaping up would`nt be surprised if we are beating up some of the SPL clubs in the Cup competitions this season.
Lets get this licence sorted out first lol.

"why is he good enough now!"
Are you mental?
Do you not realise how far our standards and expectations have dropped?
It's Div 3 for Christ's sake, not the Champions League.

Far too many if,s in these posts

It seems we are the only interested Club so I hope we beat down any demands from these at best average players!

"if Beattie was not good enough at the start why is he good enough now!"
Really pal?
You do know where we're playing, right?

He should be more than good enough for Div 3, 2 and 1.

Can we really afford to be choosy at this stage?

Yes, we need to be choosy as in 4 yrs time when we are back inthe SPL, he along with the others, will be done and we are back at square 1

24 Jul 2012 13:24:21
According to The Herald rangers have sold 450 season tickets at an adult price of £258,this will generate £116k. forty thousand sales would generate just over £10m.To run ibrox,before employing any staff whatsoever,has varied in recent seasons but has failed to drop below£16m.Add to this around 200 non playing staff plus the playing squad and these numbers are frightening.It is looking like rangers are starting to become a money pit.Question: is it now time Walter,Brown,Kennedy and importantly Ally got behind Mr Green and started pulling in the right direction? Lets be serious here,these numbers could lead to another administration and that would be catastrophic to a third division club.

I was with some well known 'Rangers men' on Saturday night, and was told that there would be no more than 1000 sold before the season starts. {Ed039's Note - So they know peoples thoughts and buying habits?)

You missed one small point there. Season tickets sales are on hold pending an SFA licence and we will start to generate revenue when we start to play games again

JG

JG

Why do these figures mean that we should get behind Green would you sell your soul to the Devil just becasue you are desperate lol! let Green, Whyte,Murray et al rot we can pick up the pieces after ... as the Fans are the club ! and we will always be here.

Jim mccoll and douglas park need to back him aswell. get all these guys you mentioned on board and along with the help of the true fans we will be a success on and off the park. i must admit i was very weary of charles green at the early stages and hoped that smith's consortium would be able to buy the club, i know hope everyone gets behind him and offers support as he has spent a little money already and that shows commitment regarding how little we feel it is. with green, smith, park, mccoll, kennedy and their contacts on board we will be in easy street. it's time to realsie this before it's too late and we reach the point of no return forever........ {ed039's note - {Ed039's Note - Smith's consortium then?)

You dont seem to take into account that the wage bill has and will continue to fall , imo green should sell up hes not the right man for the job and dont think he has the money or the knowhow to take us forward ! Ger76

Why not Green? No-one has actually given a concrete reason.

There are lots of papers and other sources saying that Rangers have onlyh sold 250-450 season tickets so far and are making a big deal of it, but as far as I'm aware you can't actually buy a season ticket yet. I believe they are waiting for the SFA to confirm their membership before thay sell them. I honestly think there will be a surge of sales as soon as this happens.

No Ed.

However there is still a whole feeling of negativity and scepticism about the consortium.
Paul Stretford is the latest undesirable to be linked, how many others.

It will never be time to get behind Green, the sooner he leaves the better, no better than Whyte, refusing to disclose who investors are and how much they have invested, thats why season ticket prices are so high for 3rd Division. He desperate for cash cos he aint got any of his own...

Are you not going to pay the VAT?

You can't buy a season ticket yet I've tryed. We have to wait untill we get an sfa membership. That's when people will renew them. Untill then there's no point.

We have Kennedy offering him more money for 50% of the club than he paid for the whole package and he says no to that,the guys just not worth bothering about,he should realise people ar trying tho help but he will only let people in on his terms.

Everyone singing from the same hymn sheet can only benefit us !!
BALLYBOY

Ok so i dont know for defo but i would be surprised if IBROX costs that much to run.Even in the SPL thats more than half our yearly income.I think closer to 6mil.

Green cant be worse than Whyte and SDM.

Give him a chance.

Your 16 million running costs would be based on 3 players earning 25k per week which is 3.9m savings alone,not to mention the rest. The wage bill will now be considerably less.

How can they sell season tickets if they dont have a banking account yet? shows how we had to pay in cash for brechin tickets? you can only renew just now.

Why green what has he actually done that kennedy or the blue knights , smith/mcColl could not have done ? Not sure all the players wouldnt have switched to a new co. thus handing some much needed funds to the club . Need to ask greens friends duff and duffer about the real reason why he was handed the keys to ibrox ! Ger76

As always you want multi millionaires to plough loads of cash into your club(with green, smith, park, mccoll, kennedy and their contacts on board we will be in easy street. )...cant you see if only you the fans are seen to put your money in i.e. season tickets then and only then would these guys even consider investing..however i feel these guys are only interested in taking control on the cheap...JohnnyG

When i get my renewal out i will be renewing my book no doubt about that , everything green has said hed do so far hea done , where would we be if he hadnt stepped in ?? Its all ifs or buts ,

" hes not the right man for the job" hes the only man that wanted the job when the chips were down.I wish everyone would shut up about john browns consortium etc and buy season tickets and get behind the team and get behind the only man that was willing to stand up and be counted when it mattered.

Operating costs are nowhere near the £16million quoted in recent years given the high earners that have recently left the club do no need to worry that season ticket prices etc won't cover future costs. As long as we all back the players & those in the background in the next few years we'll get back to where we should be.

4.23 In the event that either this CVA is not approved, or the other Conditions of the loan are not satisfied or waived by 23 July 2012, Sevco is contractually obliged to purchase the business and assets of the Company for £5,500,000 by 30 July 2012. All further terms of that sale have been agreed in advance and are confidential.

Mr Green and his consortium have to come up with the money within the next 5 days.
Does anyone know if he's got it? Apparently not.
No doubt, they are trying every possible avenue to raise the cash and I think they will have had conditional commitments from investors, but whether they make it over the finish line, remains to be seen.
The appearance of Paul Stretford, the Davis money, season ticket reductions etc, suggest a scramble.
If Regan and Doncaster know about the financial situation, they are negotiating with a guy who will only own the club on 31 July if the sale is completed and if they're not sure whether he owns the club, how can they negotiate with him?
Fit and proper person?

Maybe this is why Brian Kennedy is making waves and trying to draw Green out into the light. Kennedy has stated he has proof of funds. Why?
He thinks Green doesn't have the cash and is maybe asking the question of not only Green, but the SFA as well.
I'd rather see Kennedy in charge. If Green is working the club's best interests, why does he not do business with Kennedy? Why does it matter whether there is a majority shareholder? If he's prepared to put in £5.5million, great!

Why does it matter whether there is a majority shareholder
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because never again should rangers fate be at the dependant on the whim and the ecconomic conditions of one man.

green's allready provided proof of funding to D&P, the funding is allready in place, who do people think has been paying the wages?

Back to the original post - the 16M does not include wages of non-playing and playing staff! Following, the shortfall is well above the 6M quoted (assuming 40,000 books are sold).

We will go down the pan again if these numbers are correct any fool can see that!

Johnny G - you are the only one who has spoken sence up till now as stated before where were they all when the SH*T hit the fan

24 Jul 2012 11:04:09
RANGERS WEBSITE: tried ordering a reduced price shirt with free delivery as is stated but when came to checkout were charging for delivery. Offered to refund once you have placed your order.

Whn I ordered mine, the delivery charge was on the bill, but was discounted off at the point of payment.

Rangers chief exec hopes sfa licence to be approved in next 24 hours so giving the last few months that means next couple of months so no football for us next season. and will all these tims stop going on about us being punished we have been punished enough we have lost a whole host of players for nothing we are in division 3 which everyone wanted and people said it is in the rules that a newco starts in division 3 it is not and this was confirmed by neil doncaster. also just watch crowds at parkhead tumble next season and when you do not make the champions league your season will be a write off because it is a lose lose situation for you if you win the league by at least 30 points it is what is expected and if you struggle to win it then you will be slated. after one season in the spl without rangers noone will want to stay at your club next season meaning even lower crowds and less revenue. i am glad we are in division 3 as what i say to the spl teams who will go bust as a result of this well it is your own fault so f*** you.

Ahh yes, Rangers are in financial turmoil etc, but you will make them pay delivery for your item

Rangers newco chief executive Charles Green hopes Scottish FA membership will be secured within the next 24 hours.
Green told the club website that the only remaining obstacles were "just some minor points to resolve with the Scottish Premier League".
"We are making good progress," he said. "Most of the things are now clear to all parties.
"As far as I am concerned, we have no outstanding issues with the SFA or with the Scottish Football League."
Green has been in talks with the SFA, SPL and SFL ahead of Sunday's scheduled season-opener at Brechin in the Ramsdens Cup

Aye thats green's fault as well, its a conspiracy a tell ya, FS get a grip

JG

24 Jul 2012 09:08:53
Is Goian, Edu and Bocanegra staying??

Just because they played against Albion rovers

Rory

I would think that if no offers are recieved then they will have no option but to stay but we will probably be trying to punt them due to their wages

JG

Doubt it and to be honest I would rather we saved the money and developed some of the kids.

Divisions 3 and 2 should be handy enough but if we can assimilate some of the kids in this time they may turn out to be a real asset rather then the usual lack of opportunity that sees them move on to develop elsewhere.

Do the sums on the wages. Alexander and McCulloch alone earn £1m between them. The coaching staff, probably the same. Bedoya, Edu, Boca and Goian say £2m..as far as I know they are still on the wage bill. Wallace £12k per week, another £600 p.a.
Black and Beatiie were on big money at Hearts. The whole wage structure needs to be dismantled otherwise we will be back to square one. We can't pay SPL wages in SFL3. Even selling 40,000 ST at £300 only brings in £12m. What about the 200 back office employees? The ST money is the major, in fact only, source of significant income for 2012/13.
The current wage structure is completely unsustainable and will have to be addressed immediately.

I seem to remember listings somewhere that stated there were only 77 employees of the club, the rest were from outsourced contracts, such as catering, etc.
Therefore, it's down to managing the outsource contracts to a more sustainable level and make sure they have the right model in place to run the business going forward.
Can't see us doing that with the salaries of big players.....and who knows, it's a possibilty that some have cut their wage as a result of staying with the club.
Remember with the big salaries already gone, it's a handful that remain, so might not be as bad as you think.
However, I see Goian, Bocanegra & Edu going shortly as they won't want D3 football and it's unsustainable going forward to keep paying big money.