Rangers Rumours Archive April 23 2012

23 Apr 2012 23:35:41
On a lighter note bears Linfield tickets now on sale.About time too.

5 a side?

A lighter note ? Dear god. We are facing Armageddon !

Above post had to laugh at timothy good one a wee light chuckle here even though we are suffering chins up fellow bears

Monies straight to the SFA. Is this SFA ruling the final straw that makes the fans protest against the lot. Murray, Whyte, D&P, liquidation, Bill Miller and now the SFA. Too quiet. D&P telling us not to have a go at prospective buyers. They told us they'd be transparent. Nothing of the sort. Letters to season ticket holders? Nothing. They all want rid of us.

Everythings been too shady not a way to run a proud football club

Duff and scupper will find it impossible to find a bidder now

No European football.
Team of underpaid teenage kids.
Youth team management.
No new player licenses.
25 points deducted for 3 years.
�140m debt to pay off over 15years.
The shame.
Stripped of honours.
Who wants to buy into that?

I hope they ask Rangers FC for money upfront or there is more than a chance that they will have to whistle for there money come July!

23 Apr 2012 23:02:58
SFA blocked rangers signing players for 12 months.
Whyte fined £200,000. Rangers fined £160,000.
source STV
DM

What about players who's deals run out in the summer? They will not be able to get a new one??

Tokenism.
Rangers couldn't sign anyone anyway.
The fines won't get paid unless SFA withhold payments to Rangers.

TBK and Miller will like new signings ban suits their agenda.

Whyte's ban is a joke. Only companies house can ban him from being a director, the ban doesn't stop him being a director of a football club.

Whyte said the SFA was a farcical organisation. This proves it !

OK so CW is banned from Scottish Football. correct decision. SFA can't enforce this outside of Scotland. Can FIFA not support this worldwide? (Not that any decent business will touch CW after this mess anyway)

In response to the first reply re existing players running out of contract. We can still extend the contracts of the current staff and sign players under the age of 18 under the terms of the sanction.

My biggest concern (IF we are not under new ownership by the close season) would be a mass exodus of first team players for free or nominal fees (aimed at reducing the debt - amended contracts). With this sanction in place we can't replace them or bolster the squad with, lets be honest, even average free transfers (Cousin for example) and WILL have no choice but to rely on the youth players filling the void for an entire season. Not looking good at all just now. If we do end up with an additional points deduction (guaranteed if we are not out of admin by the end of season) on top of these sanctions for the start of next season (assuming we even remain in the SPL) then we will be very lucky to claim a top six finish at best. Worst case we could be fighting relegation. Seriously worrying times ahead.

Brian

He still owns 85 percent of the shares

You are right .

And further sanctions if we go for insolvancy

If Whyte does not pay up then SFA can take the 200,000 out of Rangers prize-money leaving rangers even worse off.

SPL sanctions to come on 30th April.

Last man leaving Ibrox .. turn the lights out. Game is over!

As gers cant even pay own players, is this really going to make any diff? what players were they going buy ?

The best thing for Rangers is if CW gives up his shares now, because they'll be taken from him somehow anyway, or left worthless, all at a legal cost to the club.

White's ban is just with the SFA. He can buy an English team if he wants - assuming he's deemed "fit and proper" by their rules, which is unlikely.

As he owns 85% of the shares -
what if he takes the huff & just closes the business - - end of

bill72

What sfa prize money .....? There is only spl prize money this season for gets can sfa get at that

23 Apr 2012 23:01:52
Just when you think it can't get any worse....

The SFA hit RFC with a 12 month transfer ban. Regardless of which way our fate goes...CVA or liquidation...we now cannot buy any players. How the hell we assemble a squad given we'll need to flog...transfer...majority of the first 11 before next season....

Sorce BBC

On bbc

It would have been so much simpler just to have paid those taxes and gone legit eh ?

Rules are rules we have to take the punishment through no fault of the rangers support total disregard for our club and the embarressment caused sad day being a ger

Yes it would of timothy, however, decisons taken by craig whyte, not glasgow rangers supporters nor the players resulted in non payments of tax

Can only sign under 18s. That'll be Aluko with no chance of signing a permanent contract if there was the chance of it. Don't know where Regan's thought this measure up but probably his reaction to the tough time he got from the RST and fan groups. This is a measure to throw further delay into our complex takeover and assure Celtic another 12 months at least of progression. Report back to Lawwell Mr Regan. Bow to your master {Ed001's Note - contract extensions are not included in the ban.}

Given that we will still have huge financial restraints this will not change very much, majority of squad would have been youngsters next season anyway.

Aluko isn't a contract extension though. He is a free agent on June 1st. {Ed001's Note - doesn't matter, he is still registered to Rangers FC and can sign a new contract at the club.}

So we can sign Bosmans? {Ed001's Note - no, that would be registering new players.}

The european courts 'll allow Rangers to sign new players. It's illegal. {Ed001's Note - they have allowed signing bans in the past.}

This is the plan for next season get the fringe players in see how it goes you never know fitbaws a funny game might be a few surprises fellow bears chins up lets step up and get that title home next season

I'm sure Chelsea had one, albeit they flaunted the interpretation of it left, right and centre.
Gaz

Hopefully rangers can appeal to uefa when we get new owner and get back into europe next season its been a bit unfair on the fans all this

Rangers can sign 17 year olds. OK, no more Gazzas for a while but the biggest pot of money on youth in Scotland. Time to cherry pick youngsters from other clubs.

Busby babes did it so let's see the bear cubs

23 Apr 2012 22:54:25
rangers claiming that setanta sports still owe them money?

Possibly. Not nice when you're a creditor to a business in administration/insolvency, is it?

23 Apr 2012 22:49:42
Heard we may be facing a 1 year ban on signing any players, any truth in this?

Yeah on sfa website lists registration embargo and fines incurred �200000 for craig whyte and around �160000 for rangers to pay

I hate to say it, but this could be the final nail

Its true.

Very true im afraid

This is a dark day for the working class rangers fans who have been led up the garden path were is the apoligies from the suit brigade upstairs not a thing the so called guardians have ruined us and made glasgow rangers a joke rules have been broken fair enough we have to accept the sfa ruling we have been made to look bad in this fiasco which is very unfair terrible day to be a bear im gutted

23 Apr 2012 19:22:15
bill miller is still in the driving seat to take over rangers- clyde 1

How can people mark this as unbelievable it was on clyde 1

When ?

Hopefully it will be soon and give us a warchest for next season money for europe etc add to the playing squad hope its true

The ammount of storys in the media are a joke

D&P need a deliverable bid by Thursday to announce PF (after 500k paid) by Friday or they will state Liquidation. Both TBK and Miller are disingenuous.

Better aff wi wullie miller

Warchest...Europe?....hello....wake up

How about a warchest to pay debt, that should be the priority

The spelling of amount and stories is a joke.

Sorry to burst yer wee bubble , but Rangers dont do Europe for at least 1 year.

Clyde 1 talk s**te

Too bad he's driving a reliant robin. lol.

Hello planet earth calling............................

Warchest, europe,lol,

Cmoan man,warchests!? if by miracle you do survive,do you honestly think what will be spent on players will be described as a warchest!?

If millers bid is preferred then its a temporary new company, how temporary depends on how good his lawyers are.

Miller will spend more money fighting Ticketus-Craig Whyte than he will on players, it will result in the liquidation of the original company.

Miller is nuts if he thinks a temporary new company is different from a new company in the SPL. It will be treated the same as a liquidated company with all the new penalties, the SPL saw him coming.

Doesnt he drive a tow-truck?

Lets head to england would take us a few years to settle rangers would be great in the epl better teams to play

23 Apr 2012 18:34:11
Just heard that the blue knights are paying the unconditional 500k that duff n suffer are looking for ... Full steam a head bears ... The only time I've heard liquidatior was at Stamford bridge a few weeks back ! The airport bear

They don't have the money ffs! this rumour is p1sh

Another day, another deadline, What the hell is going on.at this rate we will still be in Administration this time next year. This is not right it is like watching a loved one die of Cancer very slowly and painfully. PULL THE PLUG AND LETS GET THIS MESS OVER WITH.

Hope its true the blue knights are loaded

There are 4 giant walls to scale for TBK to deliver an acceptable CVA. They haven't even scaled the first. They don't appear to have the funds also.
TBK appear to be grandstanding. Appearance for appearance sake. Ignore reality. TBK being seen to have tried everything.

Its a total joke now bear of 40 years

Patience and bottle, its a long drawn out process but its far from over.

I do not see the point in TBKs screwing Ticketus when they will have to pay CW any deficit for his shares. Whatever money Ticketus gave to Rangers will have to be part of any deal, one way or another.

NW.

D+p want the 500k to keep tae keep the bilge pumps running.
ground control to major tom.........

Celtic can liquidate Rangers for the �40,000 owed.

If TBKs screw Ticketus for 10 million and then offer the creditors 10 million, then CW gets it all as a secured creditor and gives it to Ticketus.

HMRC would get nothing and would oppose CVA and insist on liquidation, they also get nothing out of liquidation.

23 Apr 2012 18:07:49
The sfa will demote gers to div 1 via points deduction,
From source within sfa

Nonsense Scottish football cannot afford us to be out of the spl

At this moment in time the sfa aint investigating rangers the SPL are, the sfa aint as they would be the appeals board rangers would have to go to about any sanctions from the spl.

and i cant see them putting rangers down to div 1 when there are bending over backwards to bring in sanctions that would allow even a newco rangers straight into the spl.,

i can see them given a heavy penalty,. but they will not demote rangers,

Lol,what a lot pish.

LOL, State who it is, this place within the body and how he came across this info and I MAY believe you!!

To the first Comment, Yes Scottish football Can't afford Rangers to be out of the Spl, but just because of that doesn't make your club a special case. If you get relegated so be it I'm sure we can cope with out you for a season or 2. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

St Mikey

They may hit them with points deductions for 3 seasons but not demotion.

So what your saying is the spl couldnt last longer than two seasons without the Gers?

Lollllllllllllll aye very good

Well said St Mikey

Are the SFA/SPL telling us if Rangers had a really bad season and finished last they wouldn't be relegated? I know its a long shot but if this is what would happen, Scottish football should shut up shop NOW.

Rubbish spl needs rangers not a chance of this

The reason for my comment on why they can't afford to relegate us is that you can kiss bye bye to the sky deal since there wont be 4 old firm games per season and after watching that crap game yesterday(although the league is finished) it showed how boring the league would be

Anyone who denies Rangers are essential to Scottish football is not living in the real world.

Nobody needs rangers and they will be liquidated once d&p exhaust the funds

The sky deal is worth nothing. You could play Celtic reserves in place of rangers and each club could play 2 or 3 friendlies against interesting opposition and that would pay for the sky deal.

sky is worth nothing to the Scottish game and as for having to have old firm games, usual nonsense. If Celtic or Rangers did not make the top 6 the tv deal would be ripped up, usual nonsense from dimwits.

Anyone who denies that rangers are going to be liquidated no matter who takes over the club are not living in the real world. No way a Cva will go through, The blue knights dont even have enough for 10p in the pound. Its a shambles.

Rangers we thought were an enjoyable product with wonderfully talented expensive players. But the truth is Rangers had negative cash flow of -�175m from 189-2011. They were always insolvent and fielding players on BO'S debt and tax scam.
SKY paid for this viewing product. They won't pay for Rangers kids next year anyway, rangers Wong be worth watching just cause its rangers anymore. They will be worse than Motherwell anyway.
Might as well relegate them, their football won't be worth watching. In Ally's words fighting for top six at best. SKY won't pay big bucks for that product anyway! Think SKY execs are stupid?

Why is a �1m squad of Rangers kids going to be essential viewing? And essential to Scottish football?

Why does the rest of scottish football need rangers in SPL? For the revenue?Well they have all got along fine this season without yer money..ye don,t pay anybody so whats goni change?

Even if we fielded a reserve team in the SPL sky would still get three games before the split. Regardless of what team we put out sky would get they're 1 million viewers on old firm games compared to 70,000 viewers per game without them. The sky deal still needs rangers as it needs celtic, but an spl without one or the other would be lucky to get 100,000 viewers a match unless they showed celtic week in week out. I scoff at any other team outside the old firm saying that they could do without us because YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELVES!!! It would be back to the bbc and getting a �1mil a year for the worst viewed football games in the world. If we do get relegated we would still bring in more viewers than motherwell v st mirren or hearts v hibs. Your teams just aren't supported well enough down south, across the world or even in Scotland, all of you have delusions of grandeur. Facts are facts, when we beat celtic on sunday and go 9 points behind and finish under 10 points, while all other teams are double digits behind.......who has been the best team in Scotland this season. We are and will always be......the people!

To the above poster. Explain to me please how you get to that points tally? You are deluded and evidently even counting seems to be a problem for you lol.

23 Apr 2012 14:26:16
Heard the BTC result is due this week.

Does anyone know if this is true?

Do HMRC even know when the result is due?

So if HMRC (one of the parties involved) don't know when it's due (as you suggested) who on earth told you it was due this week?!

The time is nigh!!

They said after Easter but didn't say which Easter longer it take the more chance of acquittal like in any case

The 90 day period for returning their verdict will have elapsed on Friday of this week.

Lets put it this way, its not going away..

just on the news, duff & duffer have delayed the decision on who the preferred bidder is,,,,

Its not HMRC who make the decision, its judges. HMRC, lie Rangers, just have to wait until m' learned friends speak,

Duff and suffer dont even know when the btc is due

I heard next week, or the week after, or definately the week after that...... That should give the mighty Rangers enough time to pay thier dues to the country.

23 Apr 2012 13:16:31
"Duff and Phelps, who have previously stated they require unconditional bids, will release an update statement later today."

What a nonsense. Nobody will make an unconditional bid with all the uncertainty from the BTC still out there. I think D&P have well and truly snookered themselves and RFC here - how can they get out of this one?

As they say The road to hell is paved with good intentions

D&P avoiding placing RFC into liquidation unless they can avoid it. The approach they are taking is sensible and in terms of speed, I've seen administrations take longer than this to even get to this point, so there isn't anything obviously untoward going on. Normally these types of activities/negotiations happen behind the scenes, but because this one is so public, peoples (Bears) expectations are unrealistic on how slowly or quickly they can get to the end game. If there was a perfect bidder (no conditions) then the deal would have been done by now. As that is not the case, then the administrators are trying to get the best deal done from a couple of poor bids. Can't blame them for the quality of the bidders or what they offering.

Of course its unconditional bids, the buyers are in no position to change the rules to suit themselves, the question is, can any of them come up with the ready's to save Rangers? sadly the answer is NO or it would have been a done deal already.

The BTC debt is irrelevant as a condition of the bids, all the debt goes into the CVA regrdless of its size.

Good answer. Sounds like D&P are going through the motions, then. Just in case someone has deeper pockets or more creative ideas than D&P could imagine. I guess that's their job but with all the evidence I can find, it's an impossible one unless some key particpants (HMRC and SFA) bend their rules.

Yes, relatively quick. Anyone doubting this should google Farepak, in administration since 2007 and with the compensation pool being eroded with time.

If whyte put duff & plebs in charge, surely he could have replaced them when it was clear they didn't have a clue what to do, just goes to show he never has and never will give a f**k about our club, its a huge two fingers up to anyone who has spent money following the gers, we never got into ibrox for free, we were never given free flights for European games, we never ducked any charges that were thrown our way, but now we are left to take all the s**t, the one and only asset a football club has is the fans

Calm down Bears, not much longer to cling to any semblance of hope, as soon as the league is completed, there will probably be an announcement that terminates the Rangers in its current format. I would assume that plans are already in place to form a new Team and to apply for acceptance in to any league that would have you..

23 Apr 2012 12:26:42
Something big happening at Ibrox this afternoon. My Brother who is a copper, Has had his rest day cancelled today and has been ordered to report for duty,Due to unexpected duty requirements at Ibrox park. This is not normally done at short notice,Except in exceptional circumstances.

Any idea why? Iv'e heard people saying that big news is pending.

The traffic lights are out on Edminston drive and he`s the unlucky sod sent to direct the traffic,tell him to take his green scarf off before reporting for duty,,,,lol

The big news is ... there's no news !

Ha ha ha ha ha , do you dims really think we are that gullable , that's cheered me right up now. You can tell your only pal above this post the same as well. Ha ha pennyboy

Your talking crap!

Ha ha ha ha: funny how Rangers fans presume anyone with news they don't like is a Celtic fan.

Utter ***te! I'm a copper and Ibrox is my beat. No leave was cancelled today

Psml here who posts this rubbish

23 Apr 2012 11:17:31
Rangers' administrators hoping to name the preferred bidder believe there will be no announcement on Monday.

Duff & Phelps told BBC Scotland they have not received a "deliverable" bid.

Paul Murray's Blue Knights have yet to agree with Ticketus and US businessman Bill Miller is seeking clarification on potential SPL sanctions

Source: BBC

These delays are not holding up any takeover( except liquidation bids), no CVA can be agreed until BTC debt is known.

Patience.

NW.

As a lifelong rangers fan i wouldnt trust any of these bidders

As an onlooker I wouldn't trust them either

CVA will still take time after preferred bidder is named.

Now before the Rumour starts spreading, The party of 50 heading to Glasgow from Thailand. ARE NOT. coming to save Rangers they are on their way to sing for the Champions at Celtic Park.

Christ when will this nonsense end? Deadlines come, Deadlines passes it's time the HMRC verdict is released as a CVA has no chance of agreement without the total amount owed being known! even if ALL the alleged bidders clubbed together they will be unable to pay off the debts never mind supplying working capital to keep going, April's wage bill will take care of the remaining cash in the club accounts & the way things are going the other monies will have run out before the end of May, end of season = end of rangers

That's what I've heard. All bids have snags attached. D&P can't, if they are doing their job right, commit to any of them as thay stand.

Then why were they saying since friday they would have to accept millers view?

Why do the admin keep coming up with deadlines that mean nothing? its one thing telling the bidders there is a deadline but no need to go public with it. makes the club , bidders and the administrators look amatuer.

Can't accept Miller's view until he deposits the �500k without conditions.

Fellow bears we are being led up the garden path here shocking

Thats them softening the blow it not gonna happen any of the proposed bids

23 Apr 2012 10:47:10
DP announce no bids today - BBC

No bids today, no bids tomorrow or any other day. Murray won't be able to come to an agreement with Ticketus, Miller will be told that rangers WILL face sanctions if liquidated.
There will NOT be any bids.

Yes, apparently both bidders still have not made unconditional bids and will not do so until they have spoken with the SPL and SFA

This is becoming a comedy show. Its like the same bull s**te we had to put up with during transfer window. Kept in the dark until it's to late. D&p have every intention to f*** us over

Q: When is a deadline not a deadline?

A: When it's a D&P deadline.

Fed up with the whole thing! total shambles!

The inability of any bidder to submit an unconditional offer has absolutely nothng to do with the administrators and everything to do with the bidders.

Patience is the order of the day, nobody said this would be easy, on the bright side its not holding up the takeover process, we still await the BTC verdict and only then can a CVA be put to the creditors.
Its only natural that any potential buyer would like to know any impending sanctions that may have financial repurcussions.

D&P have stated they have not received a BK or Miller bid today and there will be no announcement.

To be honest and fair fellow bears we are just a laughing stock now totallllllllllllllllllllllllll shamblesssssssssssss

Everybody getting PR, increasing their profiles and enjoying the ride.
No one will put up 500k non returnable without conditions.
It's not going to happen.
Ticketus should move to become a creditor and liquidate. They get repaid as Whytes floating charge.
Nobody even talking about Whytes shares.
Money runs out end April.

Just what are Duff & Phelps playing at? Another deadline passes, another day of uncertainty. Too much talking from all parties and not enough action. It was ignorance and the burying of heads in the sand that got us in this mess in the first place.

If bidders are serious they have to show it now. If this week passes with no outcome then I feel we are heading towards the point of no return.

Well, theres a suprise !

The BK and Miller are all show and no Dough, is that not the Rangers way. Well you have not paid out in the past so why change things in the future. Why would the HMRC except a CVA its not the first or last time you have not paid Tax due. Stump up or shut up.

Whats happening with this duff and suffer mob pure dodgy fellow bears

23 Apr 2012 01:04:23
THE Blue Knights face an agonising wait to learn if they are to be handed the keys to Ibrox.

The consortium led by Paul Murray spent the weekend closing in on a sensational Rangers rescue package.

But SunSport understands talks with administrators Duff & Phelps will continue today and possibly even into tomorrow.

Bean counter Paul Clark made today the deadline for final offers to be tabled or Gers face liquidation.

But it’s believed Murray — and rival US-based bidder Bill Miller — want guarantees from the SFA and SPL before finalising their deals.

They fear sporting sanctions against Rangers if the club isn’t officially taken out of administration before the start of the season.

Clark has been unable to ease those worries therefore he will allow further discussions to take place over the next 24 hours.

Current SPL state if any team start the season in administration its a 10 point penalty plus still waiting on the outcome last weeks hearing, I reckon Miller knows this and is just seeking a way out. The BKs need to put in the 500,000 on Monday or its the end

Any bid with conditions is ridiculous.
Scottish Footballing authorities being blackmailed by D&P in behalf of would be buyer spivs is shocking.
Does it get any lower than this?
How can they change Footballing Policy and Strategy in Scotland which meets UEFA standards, to suit wannabe skint Rangers Owners? Outrageous, preposterous, unethical, morally bankrupt, trash, thick skinned charlatans. Run them out the game and clean it up once and for all time.

If anyone at SFA or SPL concede anything to Rangers, they are unfit for their positions and should be dismissed.
D&P are about to make a grave business error if they give this club to TBK. It is clearly the wrong logical bid and is an illogical emotive attempt to save history rather than do the correct obvious business tactic which is liquidation and a NewCo.
TBK have no funds and the club will be asked with debt for 10years.

Sensational takeover? Did they just find a wallet with �30 million in it to pay off Craig Whyte?
No takeover will happen, this whole saga is heading in to the courts and will be there for some time. The cleanest way out for rangers is liquidation with the admins blaming Craig Whyte and the Taxman.
Ironic as it should be David Murray who should be hung out to dry as it's his mess.

Unfrickinbelievable!

wot happened to sooooper monday?????

bill72

But fine to change the rules to further punish Rangers after they have gone into administration?
The footballing authorities have to look at the bigger picture and the future of Scottish football not petty point scoring!

Changing the rules to allow a NewCo straight into the SPL does not further punish Rangers, it gives them a lifeline if liquidation is the outcome, which to be honest look inevitable now

I believe the bidders just want to know what further penalties are involved, they will have obvious financial repurcissions and any business plan without them is pointless.

The administrators should ask for final bids after the BTC and the SFA meeting on the 30th.

NW.

If Ticketus are on board then CW will sell his shares for a �1.