Rangers Rumours Archive October 20 2012

 

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20 Oct 2012 20:11:54
green says Newcastle owner Mike Ashley has been giving clearance by sfl to buy shares he stated it will be below 10% however spl and sfa rules state no one can hold more than 3% or would be conflict of interest could this be the reason why green says they wont play in spl as long as hes in charge or could he be risking further punishment ... fuzzy

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Does romonov not hold shares in another club...

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Desmond held more than 3% in Celtic when he used to have a Man U shareholding so doubt this figure is correct

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Desmond owned less than 3% in man u

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Think that 3% is in same FA

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The point am making is green said it was on hold untill sfl gave clearance at no point has he asked sfa or spl for clearance and i can imagining him asking either with the bad blood so could this be another war further down the line

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Sorry Timmy but the news is fact. Just back from Newcastle at the weekend and its in the local news and also on Newcastle blog site.

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To the boy that so immature he needs to refer to people as Timmy. There is nothing in your post that has made this fact!

1. Its in the local press
2. Its on a blog

We know how reliable these sources are or do I need to remind you of "wealth off the radar"

Im not saying it wont happen but you cant post opinion or rumor and then write fact to make it so.

That is FACT!!

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To the guy going on about immature. dont you think mike ashley might have came out and put the record straight if he wasnt buying any shares? but that doesnt suit your oppinion does it...mark.

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Sell Ibrox and put a big sports direct super store ther - make more money and better than watchin non league players run around a tin pot country

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I dont see where this fact thing is going i know its fact ... the point i made was could this cause problems if and when they look to join the spl because they dont meet the rules ? or could ashley be planning on making a quick profit and be out again before promotion is an issue ... fuzzy

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I dont see where this fact thing is going i know its fact ... the point i made was could this cause problems if and when they look to join the spl because they dont meet the rules ? or could ashley be planning on making a quick profit and be out again before promotion is an issue ... fuzzy

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Im a newcastle season ticket holder who also keeps a close eye on rangers. . . . . . .dont get your hopes built up,ashley wants everybody on the cheap,its embarrasing at times,he wants to make money out ov us

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Your right they all want to make money they are investers for christ sake mr green and all the investers are here to make money but the point is without them we would be closing the gates they are the only show in town as long as they leave the club healthy who cares none of the so called rangers men stepped forward so give it a rest and support your club as for joining the spl i couldnt give a dam about them look if your neighbours made it clear they didnt like you would you go to a party in their house i think not so lets enjoy the ride up the gers cooperboy

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Craig Whyte was also a businessman, he wanted to make money also! So why is it ok for Green but not Whyte? Hypocrisy or what lol

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Whyte bought the club and paid off the bank with season ticket money that debt belonged to the club long before he took over ... green bought the club with a loan from investors and will pay off that loan with fans money from share issue without putting one penny of his own money in whytes money stayed in the club greens will go straight in his pocket if you ask me green is a bigger con man than whyte

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Cooperboy .... if you dont want spl then lets enjoy the ride up to where ?? where are you riding up to ??

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I never said i wouldnt go back to the spl but what i ment was no league reconstuction we will get there in our own time lets enjoy the journey back up

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I heard ashley is having second thaughts bcause he has bn told every fan of spl clubs are gonnae bouycot his shops i dont think he wants 2 take the risk look what happened 2 jjb it was there shops in scotland the caused there downfall worrried bear

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20 Oct 2012 01:15:50
The result of the Big Tax Case will be announced within the next few days.

A decison has been reached by the FTT. Murray International Holdings, Duff and Phelps and HMRC have been advised of the result.

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Chances are you are the only person who "knows" this. You must be a man in the know with contacts of the many. Since you know this, surely you, the man in the know, know what the outcome is? The date for the hearing is set for november!

........spill the beans.

A very drunk TTG

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You must be very drunk TTG. lol.

It is the SPL investigation into dual contracts that is due to be heard in November.

The FTT is a seperate hearing as you know and is indeed an appeal.

Knowing that a decision has been reached, which I have stated here, and knowing what the decision is are two seperate matters.

If I was a bullsh1ter, I would be claiming I knew the decision.

The process of releasing the decision is quite clear. The interested parties, MIH, D & P (as administrators of Oldco) and MIH (who administered the EBT scheme on behalf of Oldco and also had their own EBT ssceme) are notified 1 - 2 weeks prior to a public announcement being made, although the rules do also state that there is no requirement to make a public announcement.

You ask what the decision is. Well, as I have stated, I don't know. It was delivered to the afforementioned parties on Thursday. However, this leads me to conclude that Oldco have lost the appeal, because if they had won it, you can be sure it would have been leaked to the media.

Wait and see ...........

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I would have thought it would have leaked if Rangers lost the appeal, more so than other way round. Media will be hoping for gers to lose, keep their stories flowing.

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It's a split decision. Some EBTs were wrong an some not. They were not all administered in the same way.
The problem for newCo will be Tasman will pursue asset sale and the liquidators will drag all that to court o recover what Green is now claiming is worth 80m...

Watch this space....major issues ahead!

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If some were wrong then surely its guilty not a split decision

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Is this even relevant anymore! We are getting on with life as a new business managing the same club in division 3! I am behind this and look forward to working our way back to top! If the case is decided then I hope Murray goes to jail and we are left alone to play football!

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Lol a new business managing the same club.

Chortle chortle!

I think I'm going to start a new business managing Third Lanark or Gretna just like Green has done with The Rangers.

New business managing the same club!

You will note that Green held the floating charge security of Ibrox and Murray Park not over the club because if he had there wouldn't be anything left! Why? Because the club was liquidated!

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Haha.... A split decision! You have to be joking there surely, if that is not clutching at straws then I dont know what is, if Rangers had won the case then it would have been headline news and you know it, but all is not lost, Fatboy can still demand transparency, demand to know the names of the people who made this decision cant he? Well cant he?

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D&P have already agreed the tax debt with HMRC as £94.4m. This would not have happened if the EBT was split. Oldco has lost the EBT case.
It strengthens the stripping of oldco titles. But not necessary.
Newco has no titles, has never played in SPL nor Europe. Newco has never operated an EBT. {The Ed039's Note - They didnt agree this with HMRC, they agreed it for the purposes of a creditors vote)

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If we had won SDM would be on the front of every scottish newspaper telling the world we were right,but the lack of NEWS is worrying

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The 94m was just a fictional figure that both the admin and HMRC agreed could be the max limit. It can and most likely will be a split decision as it's not one case .... Each recipient of an EBT is an individual case ..... That is why it has taken so long

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You can't liquidate a club Timothy.

You can liquidate a company however, or if you like the business that runs a club.

How can a club be liquidated, then someone come in with a new company (newco) and then buy the existing shares and assets.

Surely if the club were liquidated nothing would exist to buy?!

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You can't liquidate a club Timothy.

Tell that to airdrie, Clydebank, Third Lanark, Gretna........

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Can't liquidate a club WTF!!
Let's see if Ibrox and Murray park are sold to highest bidder say tessco after lengthy court cases regarding underpriced sale to CG what club would exist other than in your small mind ?? No assets ???
Just trying to make it simple
(hypothetically) of course

Briggies

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" Can't liquidate a club WTF!
Let's see if Ibrox and Murray park are sold to highest bidder say tessco". Now thats just stupid. No new planning permission around the Irbrox area for that kind of retail though there are plans for a large clothing retail outlet. Also there is a covenant on the land at Auchinhowie that no shops or houses are allowd. Sorry but you are way off the mark.

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Hypothetically is what I said !
Just trying to explain that if a clubs assets were sold off to a non footballing interest RFC would gone !
Some Fans are under the illusion that their clubs can never be liquidated only business can !
If your assists are sold on for what ever RFC would also be gone forever !
Don't play with words club/business it's the same !!!

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Clubs/business are the same thing?

So celtic fans will be going to watch celtic plc on match days then?

Rangers the CLUB have had no need to disband, the Newco have given them full access to all the Oldco assets to continue as the same club. That's why the CLUB didn't have have to apply for a new membership, its the same club, operating under a NEWCO.

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"Clubs/business are the same thing?

So celtic fans will be going to watch celtic plc on match days then?

Rangers the CLUB have had no need to disband, the Newco have given them full access to all the Oldco assets to continue as the same club. That's why the CLUB didn't have have to apply for a new membership, its the same club, operating under a NEWCO."


You are wasting your time trying to tell these thickos the difference between club and holding company......I gave up ages ago, i just let them think they are right.......lets face it, they aint the sharpest knives in the drawer. They are the ONLY ones that think the club liquidated. Lawyers, the SFL, UEFA, Lord Nimmo Smith all have stated different but the timothy just cant comprehend that we survived and are slowly getting back to our feet again.

LONG LIVE GLASGOW RANGERS!!!!

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Could you please explain where this holding company was in first 3 decades of Rangers history?


"all the history and tradition that we've been desperately trying to preserve would be just swept down the drain. [If CVA is rejected and Rangers are liquidated]"
Charles Green, 09.06.2012

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If a club and a company arent the same thing why doesnt every club just borrow massively, buy messi, ronaldo et al and then liquidate when the loans are due? mental.

The new Rangers is a tribute act and as for UEFA and lord NS I think you need to look up the information that is out there rather than just repeating everything Chico Green tells you.

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You are wasting your time trying to tell these thickos the difference between club and holding company......I gave up ages ago, i just let them think they are right.......lets face it, they aint the sharpest knives in the drawer. They are the ONLY ones that think the club liquidated. Lawyers, the SFL, UEFA, Lord Nimmo Smith all have stated different but the timothy just cant comprehend that we survived and are slowly getting back to our feet again.

LONG LIVE GLASGOW RANGERS!!


Ok my friend you and the said names you mention might be correct on this ?
Could you clear up who's fault all this is is it , Do you unlike a lot of posts on agree the position your in is down to SDM and small part CW ?
Or is it spl sfl taxman the media ,greedy creditors wanting paid, everyone else's fault !
Or are you in div3 due to the rules that RFC agreed with before the sh*t hit the
"fans"
Or do you just pick out the bits you like or agree with and blame everyone in Scotland for SDM f**king your club ???
Boycott Boycott no take it to SDM AS HE'S GETTING OFF SCOT FREE WHILE EVERYONE ELSE TAKES THE FLACK

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A holding company is a firm that holds a controlling stake in another firms stock....

Rangers Football Club were never a holding company. The football club was incorporated as a plc back in 1899...

And the club did have to apply for SFA club membership in the summer. Remember the conditional license that was granted?

And finally, uefa don't see them as te same club. Hence the reason they are unable to compete in uefa competitions until they have been in existence for 3 seasons.

But hey, you can ignore the facts if you choose to.

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Look up the rules uefa clearly state that a CLUB held by a COMPANY must provide a contract between the two stating that the COMPANY run the club and the COMPANY not CLUB must have 3 years financials which in this case the COMPANY the rangers football club dont have

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"Ok my friend you and the said names you mention might be correct on this ?
Could you clear up who's fault all this is is it , Do you unlike a lot of posts on agree the position your in is down to SDM and small part CW ?
Or is it spl sfl taxman the media ,greedy creditors wanting paid, everyone else's fault !
Or are you in div3 due to the rules that RFC agreed with before the sh*t hit the
"fans"
Or do you just pick out the bits you like or agree with and blame everyone in Scotland for SDM f**king your club ??
Boycott Boycott no take it to SDM AS HE'S GETTING OFF SCOT FREE WHILE EVERYONE ELSE TAKES THE FLACK"


Settle down petal!!!

Too many 'Or's in you mental post pally. If i could clear up 'whos fault it is' i would be a genius. Dont you know whos fault it is? Dont you know exactly what went on? Dont you know how its all going to pan out??
I ask you these questions, not in jest, but in all seriousness as the celtic support seem to know more than all the lawyers and QCs in this country put together.....yet you come on here and ask US for the answers......or perhaps you are doing what you celtic fans do best......TROLLING!!!

Away back to you own page and pat each other on the back for attaining the European Record for having the least possession EVER in a CL game....even Rangers when we parked the bus had three times your possession, yet we got slaughtered but you get congratulated pmsfl!!!

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To post settle petal !

Criticising Celtic in champions league against the little know team Barcelona ! And still chucking in if RFC played that way they would be slaughtered !! The big bad world is all against you theory !
Get a grip !
One word STIRLING AND YOUR CRITISING CFC PERFORMANCE

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAWWW
What planet are you on ? Just pick up your Dummy and Jog on !!

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Petal post

Who were your old club playing against in CL ????

Briggies!!!

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You cant have the business without the football club , they are one and the same , you cant buy the assets of a liquidated entity , until it has been formally liquidated , you cant use the name or emblem of a liquidated business and finally , history is made , not bought , transferred or claimed , there are big changes coming and you can either accept it and start again making your own way upwards , creating your own history as you go , or do what yous have always done , bury your heads in the sand and keep living in denial .

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20 Oct 2012 00:29:29
I am completely p....d off with the constant ante Green postings, yeah we could have had the Blue Knights, John Brown etc, etc, who were all mouth, great marketing saying everything the fans wanted to hear and ABSOLUTELY ZERO ELSE. Why does everyone not wait and see the prospectus instead of all knocking, does anyone realise that without Green the doors could be shut now, and dont mention the American dude because the ante stuff similar to what Green is getting now was part of the reason he did a runner, get a grip and accept that we are in an awful situation and nobody is going to be over the moon with all happenings, but in order to rise again there are some unacceptable issues to accept, all the best to Green in his efforts to progress.

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Listen all rangers fans iam i was a shareholder and still a die hard bluenose my uncle who was a shareholder too and my brothers love rangers from donnin in blantyre standby ally who will take us up at end of season and will win 4-0 tommorow ally is our legend i predict big lee hatricl against queens park at ibrox

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Spot on mate

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Yeh rangers to win by 4 2moro in worlds oldest derby.

big rumour 2 tax case result is in & WE HAVE WON!!

Good week ahead for aw bears!!

Trevor RTiD

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I would have accepted the Blue Knights, but John Brown? I would rather Charlie Chaplain than him. We would at least understand what Charlie Chaplain is sayin.....

A very drunk TTG

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Great post we must back him i read all the ngative posts but never do i read who will take over if green was out we had all the talk from all the so called rangers men but when it came to cash time they were like snow off a dyke so if it wasnt for mr green the doors may have been shut by now and so what if he makes a few bob thats what investers do we are in a dark place right now but hopefully in five to ten years we will be through this nightmare so i for one will invest i lost my old shares but thatsblife some you win some you loose good luck to the team today and to mr green on his attempts to sort this mess out and to those with all the negative postings give it break lets see where he takes us as we have no other hope

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To be honest . I am also getting really annoyed with the lynch mob. The Blue Nights have now fadded away as has JB.
The guy seen a buiness opertunity and took it. He never denied thar but since then he is working to get things in shape. He is a stuborn so and so but show me a Yorkshire man that aint. Get behind the Bears and give them 100%.

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Trevor explain how this is good? It makes no difference to liquidation or the pending duel contracts investigation, so what is your point?

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Big roumer 3 if ally gets beat today he is to be sacked with butcher coming ibm as his replacement but that should not be a problem we will take 5 of them today. w.a.t.p r.t.i.d

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Green is there to float the club, make money, recoup the ticketus money owed and then he will sell the club to whoever wants it but it'll have next to no revenue stream which will make it practically worthless.
This will end in tears, and you have been warned. It is not a rumour or conspiracy so do a little bit of detective work before passing this post of as crap.

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Good to win tax case so timmy cant say we dont pay taxes!! loadsa tweets last nite saying we won but then the dhims predictibly started saying we lost

funny but that murray gonna speak to media this week.wud he do this if he new he had lost or wud he go into hideing from media. guts reaction----ebt's were koshur!

Trevor RTiD

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For hopefully the last time, the issue is dual contracts not EBTs, and the appeal will fail because there is sufficient evidence of dual contracts being standard practice. Rangers will be stripped of titles and the recipients of dual contracts will be pursued by HMRC.

The share issue will flop and CG will approach BK and TBKs to buy the club for 10-15 million. It is obvious RFC is still losing money and CG cannot find anyone willing to bankroll 3 years of losses.

It may have missed your notice but neither Celtic nor Rangers are potential gold mines, run efficiently they break even with the rare bonus of CL revenue.

There is no one interested in investing in Rangers for commercial or non commercial reasons. It will be up to the fans to donate money to CG to save their club from going back into administration before the end of the season. {The Ed039's Note - Can I have tonights lottery numbers, you seem to know everything else)

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Duh Trevor ! Tell me why you were put into the 3rd division,your team did not pay it's tax's, so if you have won the big one you will still be known for not paying your due's.
Put your brain in gear before you open your mouth.
Tam

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Ante means before
who do you prefer if you are getting pissed off .. is it Craig White?
I blame the schools

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Couldnt agree more green backs the gers whoever it is getting there wee dig in!he will get us back on top and then probably leave and make a few bob good on him hes a buisness man wanting to earn,but i believe we will be stronger than ever by then! E t the ger

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Charles green is making it as he goes he goes along, was going to name all investors months ago,we will be adidas biggest name when we sign next week (5 weeeks ago) joint marketing with the dallas cowboys,3 billionaires on board,but his biggest gaff is telling everyone that ibrox and MP have been valued at over £80m just months after buying for just over £5m think the liquidators will be very interested. My big question still is will the share issue have VOTING rights because as ive said before without them they are just bit of coloured paper worthless to the fans who want to help their club,can mr green be asked that questin

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There definitely won't be any voting rights. When Green consortium sell on it's more valuable that way.

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Here he goes again having to say sorry because he can't keep his gob shut, yeh CG good way to attract investors, fir every shre you buy from us you'll get your own personal death threat, by 2 or more and we'll send someone around wi them. You maybe a shrewd businessman but keep away from the press pleaaase

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