Rangers Rumours Archive March 19 2012
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19 Mar 2012 23:22:57
It's from India Shashi and Ravi Ruia from India
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Shut up . so much desperation does not help .
We will be ok in time
We have ben let dowwn by those who wherw management.
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It will be a happy day when rangers fans own the club the only way i can see it enough said
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Hope we stear clear from them, look at blackburn
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Aye ! a true blue
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Check this guy out on google, I for one don't think this is a goer, as the first post, "so much deperation". Why don't we all stand still and wait for events to unfold rather than all this "we are going to be saved by a rich person from the USA, Middle East, Far East, Home Grown, Russian, Serbian, we need to stop thrashing ourselves in public
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Might be part of consortium led by Shazad Bakhsh but therenot the naes i heard
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19 Mar 2012 22:49:21
The way i see it is this. D&p stringing things along and lining their pockets, thanks to their mate CW appointing them. The only outcome has to involve ticketus who will unfortunately be proved to have legally binding contract. No buyer will want to lose 3 yrs of season ticket money, so we have hobsons choice, paul murray and his blue knights will own rangers. Ticketus will hang around to protect their investment and get their money, before the club has share issue for the fans to own a significant part of the club. 5 years of tough love that will make the club great again.
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One of the first sensible posts on here with a more realistic outcome.
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Explain how can Ticketus have a legally binding agreement when the deal was struck on 7thAPRIL 28 days before he became owner and to best of my knowledge the legal owner of season tickets did not get a letter of intent maybe they got lost in post 1or2maybe but 42500 bit far fetched and another we thing is its illegal to finance a deal in Scotland with the assets of the company being sold QC Clancy is pissing in the wind and he knows it as for P.Murray and his power trip serious quetions need to be asked about what he is getting out of ticketus deal if hes that hard up for banking facilities and a credit line should he be putting in a bid at all ??
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CWs job was to take it into admin...he has done this and now he'll get s big pay off when the new owners step in to spend a money turning the club around...money he didn't have himself...he'll do alright,the taxman gets screwed and everybody walks away with a ballon...watch and see. He said when all was said and done that we'd emerge stronger...wait and see!
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You are saying how it is!
But alot dont want to know .
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I am baffled why Rangers fans keep blaming D&P as if they were co-conspirators in all this mess. Nobody is buying RFC until a CVA is agreed with all the creditors and D&P are trying to untangle a complex financial mess.
Until the BTC is settled Rangers would be in Administration under any administrator. In the meantime they are tryng to increase the value of RFC by getting the Ticketus deal annulled and recovering monies or assets. If the value of RFC is reduced to the assets less Ticketus then its worth is effecivelly zero and liqudation is inevitable.
An administrator must make it worthwhile for the creditors to agree to the CVA, HMRC are not going to accept peanuts.
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Fellow bears must buy the club and i mean the fans these people should never be trusted to own the club again i mean the blazer spivs wake up fellow gers
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"HMRC wont accept peanuts"....im I not correct in thinking if we are liquidated..then they will have to accept nothing? {Ed001's Note - nope, all the creditors will get a percentage of the money raised by sale of assets. The more they are owed, the bigger the percentage.}
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So what do D&P do if they lose this case....Do they appeal and drag this on for several months, thereby ensuring they get paid for further months of admin... or do they do what should have been done on the 14th Feb....They should dissolve the Hectors and put the beast out of its misery.
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Look, if the ruling goes in Ticketus' favour then they'll want to buy the club to secure their assets. And if they don't then who will, with £24m already signed away. It will mean Blue Knights or liquidation.
If it doesn't go with Ticketus then you can forget any more money from Ticketus, who will likely take lengthy legal procedings to sue varioue people as well as Rangers mk2 etc. A messy outcome for everyone.
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Ticketus will be arguing that the money lent was secured by Whyte until the club came under his ownership when it will then be secured by the season tickets. Legal under Scots Law.
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At the end of the day the ticketus money did pay off rangers debt not craig w so ticketus are within there rights to want it payed back where would rangers be now if loyds were not payed off.. rangers fans have alot to thank ticketus for imo
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"Fellow bears must buy the club and i mean the fans these people should never be trusted to own the club again i mean the blazer spivs wake up fellow gers "
should the tax bill be as high as touted, it would require almost £75mm to simply pay off debts, an impossible amount for ordinary fans to raise & too high for anyone wanting to make a return on investment in a sensible time frame.
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" So what do D&P do if they lose this case....Do they appeal and drag this on for several months, thereby ensuring they get paid for further months of admin... "
Would you like the administrator to just give up on 20 million to save money on fees and put your club into liquidation and Scottish division 3 ?
No decisions will be made until the BTC debt is confirmed, pray you win and you may just have a chance of surviving, even if you have to pay Ticketus back the 20 million.
If you think of it this way, one year ago RFC had an 18 million overdraft with 18 million pounds of assets, it was valued at a pound. One year later it has lost 15 million primarily to early exit from CL, technically the club is now worth -15 million. If someone pays 15 million then they are paying 30 million over its market value.
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Ticketus will be arguing that the money lent was secured by Whyte until the club came under his ownership when it will then be secured by the season tickets. Legal under Scots Law. Yes but only if you have the asset holders permission unless he has 42500 concent forms he is screwed and so are ticketus
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Ed law has changed secured creditors get payed and goverment agencys are last to get paid shareholders will get zilch
(i) Secured creditors holding fixed charges such as a bank lending money backed by a mortgage on land and buildings (and sometimes fixed plant) typically bargained for taking less risk. Assets of the company usually back the credit that they extend. They know they should get paid very early on the list if the company is liquidated. They will only receive payment to the extent of the value of the asset that is subject to the charge. They will have to prove as unsecured creditors for the excess if there is a shortfall.
(ii) Preferential creditors. These are creditors particularly government/crown departments who are statutorily preferred in the order of payment. {Ed001's Note - so you say Government agencies are last to get paid, then list them as preferential creditors who get preference in payment? Hmmmm excuse me if I am a little confused!}
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Secured ceditors get paid before preferred, however HMRC can dispute any security if it was taken out while a HRMC debt was already in place. If I recall there was an overdue amount to HMRC of 4 million or so before CW took over. This amount they can contest against any secured creditor.
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19 Mar 2012 21:30:14
Just Read on STV news. Need to click the news bit and its at the dundee tayside part fot people who don't believe. Former dodgy dundee director and lawyer has contacted the emir of qatar and told him that if they are looking into football rangers are the best to buy in the european market. Just letting you know not saying its going to happen
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They don't know each other and the Qataris wouldn't dirty their hands and lose face by touching Rangers.
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Who clicked unbelievable, its on STV news ya div.
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If this is the one i got told about it is a publicity stunt. nothing more.
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I read this too on STV news app
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12 hours to late with the story m8
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Ive no love for Rangers but you dont want the intrepid Mr De Stefano buzzing around. His real name is John Stephenson and no one in authority knows of him having a law degree.
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Just checked the net he is worth an estimated 2 billion
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2 billion he gave his boy that for pocket money the Emir of QATAR is 5th richest person in the world his boy bought PSG and they are one of the richest clubs in Europe now and MR de stefano HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEAL
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There is no deal.
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I would love to think we are getting out of the myre but just cant see it but think there will always be a rfc in the end we will survive
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200 billion more like lol Steeeve
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Correct there is no deal.
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I think Rangers fans must accept the inevitable, businessmen are not going to pay way over the odds for the clubs history and are effectivelly buying a 3rd division club.
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Best to buy in European Market....Hector will not be in Europe next season, and if this mess is not completed by the 30th June and Rangers are liquidated after the 1st July, then they will be absent for at least another three years.
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Quote from DR:
"Lawyer Di Stefano, who once represented serial killer Harold Shipman and Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, said: “I have pointed out to His Excellency and his advisers that in my view, if nothing else, Rangers represents the very best deal in European football at the moment."
Wonder if he's represented Whytey boy as well at some point.....?
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Di Stefano has stated he has absolutely nothing more to do with the deal except introducing Monsieur Emir to the prospect of purchasing the club.
His son and cousin have bought PSG and Malaga of late and he thought the king may be interested in having his own club.
Nothing more, nothing less
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19 Mar 2012 21:27:35
I was informed today that Jackson
and traynor were not at their desks
today, they were away in London
meeting a businessman that would
blow the lid off the Ranger's fiasco.
Apparently they were both invited
down to be excusivley told of the
outcome of the "big" case and the
implications for the club and any
possible buy out of the club.
They will be reporting this on
Wednesday.
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Course they will. I love these journo's who sit on stories! In these days of the internet and 24hr news stations, no-one holds back stories!! Get a life
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Hope it's true..
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Or Thursday Or Friday Or Saturday yawn yawn yawn.Do yous not realise how childish you you sound.
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I think if you watch s*y news right now you will see that Jeff Randell has got hold of emails showing the ebt's are about to end in you having to pay millions and millions of non tax payments to HMRC ....looks like game over
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Jackson was at a radio 5 live debate live in Govan tonight I just listened to it. He was very positive about a takeover and a CVA been agreed with HMRC on the understanding WHYTE has nothing to do with Rangers and removed. These are facts.
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Facts ?
because keef says so
how can you agree a cva when they havent even finished and given a result on the big tax case
he also said this
the big tax case is a red herring
deluded idiot is keef off the radar wealth warchest jackson
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Nobody, repeat, nobody knows the verdict of the tax case. only when the judges release the outcome will we know how it went. NOT before.
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Intrestingthing about this tax stuff is most of the big english prem teams are looking on to see what happens with Rangers and the tax stuff , looks like lot of them have trusts and tax bills alot higher then ranger and if that tax man wins over the ger he will start hitting the big english teams
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First the poster forgot to write "FACT" or "Watch this space" So it obviously can't be true. See how negative a story the dhims can come up with after failing in their treble.
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The only good thing about rangers fc is the supporters.
the rest is non trustible!
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Unless jackson has a twin then i never had him in the back of my taxi and droped him off at his work . jaggythistle1
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Note if the big tax case is lost there are two concerns:
The TAX payable
The Penalties
I dont see HRMC (who cannot comment) argreeing any penny in pound on whats due - otherwise Rangers just found a legal way to avoid TAX !!
What may be up for grabs is what is the scale of the Penalties ?
this one could go down to penalties after all
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19 Mar 2012 21:25:49
BBC Sport Scotland reporting that Admjnistrators legal team in high court have stated at least one bidder has stated in condition that if the Ticketus deal is in force, the bid is off the table.
Given Ticketus is involved with p Murray, it has to be Kennedy or Club 9.
This legal argument of knock on effect has zero gravity with the court regarding scratching the Ticketus deal.
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Anyone with any common sense won't bid for the Hectors until all the facts are finalised...BTC, the hearing in relation to the 3.6 million and ticketus, are all going to slow down any discussions. Then you have the charges at the SFA to face.... and possibily and inquiry by Eufa into the contracts issue.....whats next.
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You would expect that to be so. Why would anyone want to buy a club when £24m is already signed away?
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The Blue Knights will look to borrow more than £5million from Ticketus to use as working capital
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2117400/Rangers-takeover-Blue-Knights-borrow-5m-Ticketus.html
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If Blue Knights need to borrow money for working capital then you are going from the frying pan into the fire.
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19 Mar 2012 20:56:20
Just heard that the middle east interest comes from the Al-Kharafi family fronted by Bader one of the sons of the family with connections in the UK. Anyone else heard this?
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This is usual nonsense to cheer us up, but let's us down when it doesn't materialise.
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No heard this at all where did you hear it from? Hope your right they are mega wealthy but just cant see it.
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19 Mar 2012 20:46:26
The DR tomorrow, supposedly, breaking who the 4th bidder is.
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It's the Glasgow based guy with the Asian name with friends in Singapore.
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More like breaking wind....
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Thats far east rumor is middle east that guy didnt have the finance in place
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Ah think its POUNDSTRETCHERS
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19 Mar 2012 20:39:28
D&P confirmed in court today that's there's only 3 conditional bids they would not lie to a judge! I hope!
The three bids are insufficient to clear debt with a respectable CVA.
The bids are conditional on debt being cleared before new owners take over!
D&P pressured into court cases where zero chance of winning.
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If could not win open and shut case shouldnt be in court ha
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D&P
Not waving but drowing!
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But making alot of MONEY!
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If I supported the Hectors I would want these clowns removed, first they don;t notify the FSA when they are appointed, they keep raising issues in court that are deferred or lost, costing Hectors ten of thousands a day....now they are trying to blackmai Lord Lodge...won't work his Lordship might be a Hector fan but at least he is an honest Hector, you won't pull the wool over his eyes.
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19 Mar 2012 20:32:01
STV
Rangers Administrators Argument to breach Ticketus deal questioned in court:
"if Parliament had intended Administrators to have such wide powers to terminate contracts they would have expressly written it into law"
D&P being shown up in court for bringing a hopeless case and lining theirs and their Lawyers pockets at Rangers expense.
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The cut and thrust of legal debate my man..........
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The courts have to sign off D&P bill at the end of this.
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Comment was made by Ticketus lawer.
Lord Hodge said he would try to give an answer to some of the points raised by the administrators later this week.
Let's wait for that.
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Ticketus lawyer?
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Uv posted a quote from the opposing QC. Probably not that surprising that he's of a different opinion as to the legal status of the deal.....
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You do realise that the defenders legal team do have to put an opposing argument up don't you? Otherwise they'd be admitting they were in the wrong.
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Listen people, everytime the club goes to the Court of Sessions it costs 10+ grand , ergo this ticketus case has cost 30+grand, and yet we are to believe the club is running out of money!!!
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Administrators argument isn't legal it's something along the lines of 'not breaching Ticketus deal makes it difficult to sell rangers, at least one bidder will drop out M'Lud'......hopeless.
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Ticketus deal is illegal QC Clancy is pissing into wind and what does it matter to us its ticketus will have to pay our legal fees actually saving us money
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Why any one of you think that ticketus have done something wrong. Rangers sold them the seats for 4 seasons, either return the money or the deal stands and they could end up owning rangers.
it seems like theft to think you can steal their 24 million pounds.
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I fear the worst, win or lose the Ticketus case, win or lose the BTC , win or lose the secured assests, win or lose the CVA agreement and win or lose the cash flow.
There is just too much debt and conflict, any bidder with a brain will wait until liquidation, I see no alternative.
Any Rangers new owner is better saving their money to try and persuade the SPL, SFA and SL to let them stay in the Scottish Premier League.
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If the ticketus deal is in fact a legal deal in the eyes of timothy from the great unwashed then heres a news flash for ye, ive just sold your best shell suit aff yer washing line to yer next door neighbour who says he'll give me 30 bob for it cause i told him it belonged to me cause you'd agreed to give it to me as payment for those ten mayfair you owed me................its simple, CW never owned rangers when he signed his ticketus deal so how could he sell our season tickets, get a grip timothy, yer clutching at straws, the deals a cert to get lobbed out of court
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While the "washing line defense" is clearly worthy of Rumpole or Perry Mason. There is just one flaw in it, the next door neighbour probably didn't have a high-powered lawyer on tap like Ticketus would have done. You would imagine they checked the deal thouroughly to see it was water-tight. It is on record that Whyte was to return the money to Ticketus should his takeover attempt fail, therefore any use of the money physically came AFTER he was Rangers owner and therefore by definition must surely become Rangers liability. Using Rangers season ticket money to pay off Lloyd's while probably fraudulent is academic to the fact that the then Rangers owner flogged the tickets to Ticketus. Rangers responsibilty therefore, rightly or wrongly.
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Ticketus deal is legal as Whyte completed it after he owned Rangers.
He entered an agreement with Ticketus, should he become owner of rangers, he would sell them tickets. But the transaction was completed after the sale purchase agreement in force. {Ed001's Note - that is not the argument though. The argument is that he used the money from Ticketus, which was secured on assets he didn't own yet, to complete the deal to buy the club. I have no idea which way the case will go, but you have missed the point. What happened with regards to completion of the deal, which will still see Ticketus owed the money either way, I believe, is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Craig Whyte is the legal owner, not whether the money is owed to anyone. Whyte is the issue, with him removed as legal owner, the club can be sold, with him involved, well then there is a major issue.}
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CW sold the seats subject to the deal being concluded, surely that's not hard to understand. The deal was concluded and ticketus got the RFC seats.
its simple really return the ticketus money or the deal stands.
The money from save rangers could pay off ticketus and we could move on to the next obstacle. {Ed001's Note - I think you are missing the point, the court battle is simply about getting rid of Whyte as owner. If it is won, then Whyte will have bought the club using illegal means and he will no longer be the owner. As removing him from the picture is a requirement of all the bids, that is what is being fought for here.}
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If the D&P case had any element of law, the matter would have been settled on day, the fact the matter is now heading for a fourth day means the likelyhood is they will lose....Another matter D&P may have to cover ticketus costs if they lose....thats about another 60,000 at the moment. {Ed001's Note - the courts have to hear both sides of the argument, that will take as long as it takes, not be over quickly because one side has the better case.}
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If the sale to Whyte is null and void then the debt repayment to the Bank must be null and void and we're back to Murray/Rangers still owing £18m.
I'd like to see someone try and go after that £18m though.
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Ed, your quote is bang on -
{Ed001's Note - that is not the argument though. The argument is that he used the money from Ticketus, which was secured on assets he didn't own yet, to complete the deal to buy the club.
Although as I said earlier, should his takeover bid have failed, the money was to be returned to Ticketus. But the deal itself was done AFTER he became owner, if anyone is due criticism here it is perhaps the previous Rangers board for not putting due diligence into his financing. Another point that hasn't been mentioned so far, is Craig Whyte the owner who cleared the £18m debt to Lloyd's or the one who sold £24m worth of tickets to Ticketus? Answer - both, it seems Rangers fans are ignoring the first part, if all relevant monies are returned to their rightful owners then Rangers still owe Lloyd's £18m, if neither Lloyd's nor Ticketus find a satisfactory ending to this Rangers will be in and out of the courts for years.
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Ooooops someone has mentioned Lloyd's lol, he cant just have been the owner for just the dodgy, bad deals. Take your pick guys rock or hard place?
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19 Mar 2012 20:13:32
now things have sort of calmed now,i have to ask the question,I get a payslip every week and so do football players possibly monthly..are you honestly going to beleive that all these players (ebt time) didnt know ...or are we just going to kid ourselves that they dont ...
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You do understand that EBT`s were NOT illegal until recently. It is the implementation of them that is now a source of legal debate. HMRC is looking at their scope retrospectively, so the fact a player knew he was made a paynent via this vehicle is not vital to the outcome.
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Didn't know what?
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19 Mar 2012 19:42:49
the three offers for rangers all fall someway short( s*y sports news) of the deals needed to keep rangers afloat, ever get the feeling duff and phelps wont be happy till were liquidated?
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Cant see that on S*y Sports?
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Yeh I agree 1 thing after another. 1 step forward 2 steps back is there common pattern with things.
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Evening folks. First things first I am not on to have another go at Duff & Phelps, although I would like to. Problem is the report on STV website states the judge and a QC are both saying that D&P are not wise to bring this to court (Ticketus Deal) Now I questioned this a few days ago, amongst other strange things that D&P are doing. I really do feel that someone of real authority has to take them to task now before it does get too late. I would seriously ask the RST to ask more pertinent questions.
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Gerry mculloch from s*y just said none of the bids have set the heather on fire,, here we go again!!
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Wit sky av u got?
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Ice cream and pie in the sky a think never heard such drivel judge said nothing of sort QC Clancy is pissingin the wind trying to apply English law in Scottish court its illegal to fund a takeover of a company in Scotland with its own assets QC Clancy also stated that Mr Whyte was owner of Rangers when deal was struck on 7th April HELLO he didnt become owner till 6th May thats how much of a case ticketus have
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19 Mar 2012 16:28:52
Hitch fixed, D&P retrospectively appointed as administrators. So much for all the rumours that HRMC would contest this and how this would be the beginning of the end. KG
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17433007
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19 Mar 2012 16:26:48
Folks - any word on the Ticketus case?
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There is nobody more worried than Ticketus themselves on this. What they say in public is far removed from what internally they must surely be bitterly afraid of... that Craig Whyte has stitched them up big time. The facts simply are that this case is untested in the courts. But any doubt at all in their situation is bad news for Ticketus.
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As I posted on Friday, this move by the administrators will cause things to drag on for months....who ever fails to get a judgement will appear to the High Court for a full hearing, which will require listing and finding three judges to hear the case.....It may even be referred on further appeal to a higher court..... This is going on for months.
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It sounds like theft if ticketus do not get their deal. They effectively bought rangers. Rangers must honour this unless liquidated.
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Back in court tomorrow.
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Why should Rangers honor a deal between whyte and ticketus ? If I sold your house while you were at work would you give the buyer your keys when you got home?
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Lord Lodge hopes to give some direction later this week...wonder if the delay is because even his lordship is surprised by this move to void valid contracts...can you see the future, every time a company is in difficulty it cries this is not fair because we have to pay back what we borrowed to clear another debt....we now dont want to pay back what we owe.... Rangers will lose this battle....They might even lose the 3.6 million case due to be heard next week... then they won't have the funds to see out the season..... Think you Hectors need to buy a couple of million flags on sunday.
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It seems Brian Kennedy is now clear favourtie to buy Rangers, but the Admins have still to check out the offer from Middle East, I don't know about this guy as he stopped giving cash to the Sharks, any opinions on him as I'm not really sure about his pedigree
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Not going to well.also duff & co say time is running out
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They are due their money or are you going to cheat them as well
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The deal was with whyte prior to him actually singning the legal papers to actually own rangers so ticetus will be chasing whyte for the money rather than rangers if the verdict goes against them
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Correct me if i am wrong but is it not illegal to sell a companys assets & then use that money to buy said company. if that's the case then is that not what whyte has done if it is then ticketus can ask llodys tsb & whyte for there money.
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Buying UK Union flags but not paying UK Union taxes. That's really patriotic and British who are you trying to kid?
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You can remove Whyte from the Ticketus deal it's Rangwrs selling Rangers tickets to pay off rangers debt to Lloyds for all the money Murray borrowed from BOS.
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What silly arguments. I could buy a company and sign a deal ahead of the sale. If the sale goes through the deal is hounored and if the deal does not go through the money can be refunded. Nothing wrong with that. You guys are arguing that you should be allowed to steal the Ticketus money for nothing - not a chance. You know it and I know it, this will end in liquidation and that's when the bids will come in...if an spl place can be secured ( with penalties ). If Rangers can find a way back to the league over the next 5 years after liquidation that will probably be better than 5 years with the ticketus deal, no merchandise or catering sales. Without liquidation, Rangers will have a budget that compares with a mid table spl team.
Also, the current rangers first team when all fit probably still costs more than the Celtic team.
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You Tims don't have a clue! IF, and it's a big IF, Ticketus win the court case, Craig Whyte would be personally liable for the money. Rangers season tickets, at the point of the contract signing, were not his to sell. He had to give a personal assurance against the deal, and that is what will destroy him. Rangers will not be penalised at all
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But Craig Whyte doesn't have any money. At least, none that Ticketus or any court will be able to find.
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19 Mar 2012 16:09:32
what about this sheikh hamad bin khalifa al thani looking into buying rangers?
apparently its a relative of his that hasbought malaga and his son owns p.s.g! 2 big spending clubs!
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Hope he buys us! Can't see why he wouldn't. Can piss the league and play champions league football when registered ! :)
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We all want rangers to spend big and buy the best players buy we wouldnt need to spend massive to regain the spl and get back into the champions league, to progress for the group stages of the CL then yes, i would prefer us to get back to spending within our means and bringing the league title where it should be WATP and we welcome the chase
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This looks like another case for captain bullshizzle.... bull!
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.........Could be a move motivated by the World Cup being held there in a few years time......to engraciate themselves with the wider Football Community.........This guy has lost more money down the back of the couch than it would cost him to buy The Gers.......would be fun though!......turning up at Ibrox with our t-towels and snake belts on our heads.........laffing at the "pretend Hectors" from the East
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This sheikh was friendly with Saddam.Should our club be looking to jump into bed with him?I say an emphatic HELL NO!!!
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f***, we got into bed with CW, aka the Devil! LB
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That could piss of Celtic :) win the year by miles and Do very well in Europe (maybe quarter finals of Champions League, APOEL FC did it) or reach the Europa League final
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More likely to be Sheikh Mahon thats interested in buying.
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Maybe just wishful thinking bears, but would be brilliant if true. Two "shakes" in 24 hours,don't think the dhims could cope. Is this what they mean by Celtic thunder? lol -
Stevie-A-Bear
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Where has this rumour come from? i find it hard to believe!
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Would be Frrrozen Haute Chocolate they can keep there jelly n ice cream
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Wouldn't mind being a rich Arabs play thing look at Man City , Malaga FC and P.S.G !! Four men had a dream
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It would be a disaster, please someone name one club that has built long term success by buying it?
Don't people realise we did this in the past, bought 9 in a row, and look where we are now?!
And before anyone starts with the timothy etc please step back and think about the following list:
Leeds
Dundee (twice)
Pompey (three times)
Clyde (twice)
I could go on, but see a pattern?
Living without your means does not build long term success. I'd rather have Ticketus and Paul Murray than some unknown Sheik or American Billionaire who will roll into town and splash the cash then vanish without a trace when the next recession hits!
*phew* rant over. Good luck to the boys on Saturday (Motherwell) we need Stu Mac to do us a favour!!
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This post is nonsense, I work in the British Embassy Doha and they would have got in touch with us.
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Is the guy above a smackhead? Arabs with Billion(s) would be nothing short of a dream proposition. Go to fc Lechwiya (team who bought Boughy)on wikipedia,scroll to chairman,tap it and read SPORTS.
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Once again some twerp starts talk of a big money rescue and there you are, the red top readers, believing its true, like a shopaholic, spend spend spend, dont care about anything just buy and win. Please have a look at the evidence presented to day at the Court of Sessions (another 10 grand +, spent on fees), we have a very hard long road ahead, so stop all this we will hack of timmy by winning everything and have the good grace no to throw insults at our rivals until we are on solid ground. And stop reading red tops
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They might take the debts ! but could they take the shame
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I would like to say that the 9 in a row years under david murry was the best years of my life.So what if were paying for it now.Well allways be here in one shape or another.Its just a new chapter..W.A.T.P.
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19 Mar 2012 15:04:34
"Celtic England move denied". Football league rule out move, "There is no chance Celtic will join League One or the Championship" according to Football Leage chairman Greg Clarke.
A report on Sunday claimed the Old Firm giant were so keen to join English football they were in talks over a move to League One, but club sources have insisted this is not the case and Clarke himself has said it would be disrespectful to Scottish authorities to enter in to such talks.
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Why dont Celtic move to the Irish league..that would seem a logical move as the love Irish flags,songs,heritage
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I want a strong rangers and celtic and stronger teams in scotland all this rubbish about liquadation moving south is utter rubbish lets all work together for the better of scottish football and stamp out this religion and politics in scottish football lets bring in younger scottish players lets all get round the table to rebrand the game here scottish football is treated as a joke abroad who agrees ?
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19 Mar 2012 15:03:41
STV reporting that former Dundee Director Giovanni di Stefano has told the Emir of Qatar that buying Rangers is the very best deal in football should he wish to make a move to buy the club. Cheers Gio but we can only dream!
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Is he meant to be a good reference.
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No idea, he is apparently friendly with the QatAr Royal Family and di Stefano is quoted as saying I have sown the seeds now it is up to the fish to bite
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He'll turn the place in to a Harem! Shagger will love it! LB
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STV reporting NO such thing!
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Yeah great, look what he did at Dundee!
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19 Mar 2012 14:50:36
What's every1 thoughts on the 43 thousand union jacks bing sold from the turnstiles at ibrox this Sunday?
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Would rather see saltires we are in glasgow Scotland after all
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Are we excluding the broomloan from this, as after all we are all part of Britian and it is the year of the queens jubilee after all
would all the money raised go to the club?
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There selling the flags in aid to help save the club I think it's a great idea!
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Would all the money raised go to the club?
For a £2 minimum donation you get a flag, the money is all going into the Rangers Fighting Fund
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Flags so what i think u could find better ways 2 raise money and why do u feel the need 2 sing god save the queen all the time i dont hear teams down in england sing it its funny when u think its her taxman that will shut u down so i supose why not god save the queen lol
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Im hearing the flag will be at half mast on the stick
bye bye rangers
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Im pretty sure Chelsea sing God save the Queen. Show a bit of respect, this is a Rangers website after all
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Whats to think about, if it helps the Gers its good with me. Maybe a mix of Union Jacks and Saltires Id have not objection first poster, but it is the Gers against the Tims after all! And old Queenys Jubilee - if it were St Andrews day it would have to be Saltires. Remember folks 2 quid is the minimum donation so Bears can give more if they want/can afford. All for the cause! WATP LB
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Bye bye why where r u going Timmy?
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Well i suppose they need to do something,as they certainly cant buy CHAMPIONSHIP FLAGS can they..........psml.
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It show the true bias at Hectors house...not happy to fly scottish flags but wants to fly the union flag....wont be any union flags flying over Hectors House in a few weeks time when the removal vans arrived......Wonder how long Hector will be flying his union flags when the bhoys are two or three goals up, and partying towards the so called tainted championship...and off course a place in europe.... What will the hectors being doing next season playing friendlies against Portsmouth..Port vale... and any one else with a charity or hand out bowl...
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Think its a great idea, even better if we sold union jacks in the main stand, saltires in the govan and northern ireland flags in the copland, after all we have alot of loyal fans in ulster who attend games week in week out....
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To previous poster, satire is incorporated into the union flag so there will be 43 thousand saltires being waived when the teams come out. Great idea but wait till the rabid journalists get there wee laptops on it. It will be deemed inflamitary despite it being our country's flag. Happened before and will happen again no doubt.could only happen in the united kingdom
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Is it they wee flags from last years old firm or actual decent sized flags ?
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Decent sized 1s !!
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Any idea that raises cash is worth trying.It'll only raise enough to pay administrators for a few days though(and they can't be by-passed).I would also hope that whoever collects the money pays any VAT etc due.We don't need any more bad publicity right now.
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We are all brittish , that includes every one born in the brittish isles so get used to it, proud to be scottish and proud to be brittish.
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Why not get a couple of Qatar flags up as well in honor of the 5th richest man in the world and our Arabian knight
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Yes 43 thousand flags flying and at the other end 7 Thousand Black Hats and 7 Thousand Smiling faces. Ha Ha HA
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OK good idea, but no one in officaldom has said they are responsible for producing and selling, and give a breakdown of costs etc and profit donation. Also if they are being sold outside the turnstyles, the vendors will require a street traders licence, if they don't have one the police can confiscate all good for sale, then there will be more bad publicity. We need more accurate information if this is to be supported
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2 quick questions. 1.Why sell these at the Celtic game and not at the games already played at Ibrox since administration began.
2. Will they be sold at the next home game?
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Beggars beleif ! oops sorry to mention beggars
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How the hell has Hector got 43,000 union flags printed so quickly, have just goggled suppliers and everyone lists supplies limited due to Queens jubilee and olympics..... This is just tosh other wise Hector would have done it at the Hearts home game. {Ed001's Note - surely it is obvious that there will be millions of those flags being produced for the Queen's Jubilee and the Olympics? So hardly a difficult thing to obtain 43k of them is it?}
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Sum people talk crap on here , there getting sold inside the turnstiles, plus I don't care what there selling along as we pull throw this bad time, if they were selling bags of spuds inside the turnstile I would quite happy to donate 2pound if I thought it would save our great club!!
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Wheres the st andrews flags
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I always find it quite funny that you fly the ulster flag complete with the red hand, well just incase you dont know half of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland and you will see it fly right beside the tri colour at any ceremony or game...So real republican Irish men are sons of Ulster and proud of it,,, if you knew your history u wouldnt be making pratts of yourself
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19 Mar 2012 13:29:18
The legal technicality over Rangers' status as a club in administration has been resolved at the Court of Session.
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Yes, D AND P were ratified at 13.30 hrs today, so forget all the " HMRC to be appointed administrators" nonsense that we have been getting from certain sections, D and P are in charge whether anyone likes it or not, we shall see !
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19 Mar 2012 12:46:33
Fearing the worst bears! Red Tops very quiet on latest from Ibrox. Reminds me of news blackouts from Gulf war. Traynor,Devlin,Jackson not even speculating, no "A source close to,-or an insider told us" Zilch,nothing, thinking another scenario is about to unfold. Not good vibes.
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Don't buy red tops herald reporting today that 3 more bids going in this week people the media don't know about who have gone quietly about there business
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Calm Down!
What do you mean "Not Good Vibes"? how can you get that from no news today?
The papers have been covering celtics cup defeat, lennon's moaning and also the tragic death of Liam Kelly's father, and rightly so.
Rangers will be back in the papers tomorrow as per usual.
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Very quiet because Administrators don't talk to Red Tops. Remember their withering comments about biiders doing their business through the media. The administrators don't need nor want to talk to them. As far as the administrators will be concerned they are an irrelevance. We should treat them the same.
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Or it could be that David Murray been giving interviews to hand picked hacks, you know the 'old pals act'
Lets be honest in time we could be thanking the Daily Record for breaking the Ticketus deal, it was that story that showed us what CW really like.
Remember no news is good news.
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I think I read that the administrators signed confidentiality contracts with a couple of the bidders as they want to be anonymous right now , probably why we won't hear anything. Not entirely sure though guys
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No news is good news m8 ..jsm
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As far as recent stories no news is good news! and like a previous poster the papers are covering today news we dont need another story on what we already know about Rangers. Plus bidders wise? CW was all over the papers talking the talk. We need some one who can walk the walk. Talk is cheap my friend.
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@2 - Guess we just need to wait and see.
Fair point about cup final etc, but unless these "quiet bidders" come through for us, i'm fearing the worst. I've been pretty upbeat prior to Friday's original deadline, but now that the admin (D&P) have extended it, makes me think the submitted bids are not acceptable.
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Maybe these hacks have no falsehoods to peddle
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There is no news because nothing has changed, which in itself is not great news
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The three bids are dependant on the debt being sorted. D&P were looking for bidders to sort the debt ergo rangers are f***ed.
There are no quiet bidders NONE or D&P lied in court today.
It's quiet because there's zero good news and D&P have made a big error in judgement on the Ticketus case today.
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Lawyer on sky news tonight at 8,says hmrc have e-mail evidence involving rangers and rangers players agents.Does not sound good,also says it does not look good for rangers.
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19 Mar 2012 11:55:43
Source within ibrox; Saudi royal family are behind Arabian bid. See gers as PSG equivalent...premiership beckons due to revenue streams?
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Anyone interested in the premiership would not buy the gers
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Utter nonsense! I lived in KSA- they have never heard of Scotland let alone the Bears..
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You are talking utter nonsense I trained Prince Faisals national guard in Riyahd and often wore a Rangers top when not on duty whilst staying the hotel before moving into a western compound. More than a few said Rangers when I passed them.
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Not too sure what you mean by revenue streams when the stream seems to have dried up hence administration. Also we cant just join the premier league when we feel like it. So on that note your post is nonesense
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Of course they have heard of Scotland they run horses at Ayr and Hamilton. I think everyone in the educated world has heard of bears.
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Portsmouth fans have been wishing on an oil bilionaire for 5 years - rangers will be waiting longer.. if a Saudi was interested why now...he could have bought years ago..
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Not saying that this post is true in any way but why not now, also lets be honest money dictates n the epl so if we had a saudi or anyone as a matter of fact who wanted to invest major funds the money men especially at sky would want us in the epl. Money talks.
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Revenue stream is the monies from sky and other various sponsorships. Enter to premiership possible if PL2 is a go, which most forgein chairpersons support due to increased revenue! M6 Bears
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Not saying this is true as it sounds a bit too good to be true! But the comment about never heard of Scotland never mind of Rangers. Has to be the most ridiculous comment i have ever heard in my entire life it actually strains me to get my head around how stupid that comment is. How would you know of the education levels of the Saudi royal family? Never heard of Scotland pffft mate what have you actually been smoking pal! I think you needty get off the computer and back to Burger King coz thats where those whoppers belong!
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How many times guys... we cant get into EPL. we'd need to start in the conference so wouldnt get into the premiership for years AND FIFA say we cant join a league in another country. get sick of telling people this, it's the spl for us.
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Unfortunately, my fellow bear is correct! how many times does it hav to be said...no english football for gers or tims. it is never happenin
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Aye he sounds like a Rangers man alright
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It's true, the saudi royal family have roots in Pollockshaws
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