18 Sep 2016 19:48:25
Just registered with Forum. First post. From very good contact. awaiting full script of events on Tuesday but overwhelming consensus of Barton being 'hated' within dressing room from very early stage. Hopefully more to follow.
18 Sep 2016 21:06:18
As many have said before me, I'd have been more annoyed if their wasn't a reaction by the players after the old firm game. But if things have been said by Barton that degrades the boys who've got us back into the SPFL like has been rumoured and he has infact went face to face with Warburton then he's out of line and should be punished accordingly.
He did himself no favours with his comments in the summer about being head and shoulder above anyone in Scotland. Last Saturday he was poor and in truth he's not kicked a ball for us all season.
Hopefully tomorrow we get some closure on this and we can move on. Togetherness in the squad is crucial with the tough fixtures we've got coming up.
18 Sep 2016 21:31:17
Bigdaftdav, if that's true then fair enough, but if this is your first post i smell something, in every dressing room in every league there's disagreements. i think your trying to stir it.
18 Sep 2016 21:44:10
With a name like that mate, it must be true. lol.
18 Sep 2016 21:17:02
Willie McKay who is Bartons agent is going into meeting with Joey Barton and MW. Now if it's a disciplinary meeting you take a lawyer, not your agent. You only take your agent if you are negotiating in or out? Work it out for yourselves.
18 Sep 2016 21:19:07
ed from the same source that I originally gave the info we would be signing Barton (before anyone and was soundly ridiculed! ) I am told the situation was that the squad were asked what went wrong at parkhead, Halliday responded by saying that "it just didn't happen and things didn't come together" Barton responded by stating that was bollocks and named a few players including himself as basically being "shit" which didn't go down well and the retort was " we beat them without you last year" now this is a one sided picture of events and I am a big Halliday fan but only repeating what I was told same as I did when I said he was signing. Training ground and dressing bust ups happen and are not always a bad thing. What I would say though is that in my opinion the managers tactics need questioning albeit in the correct manner and timing and also that the results since the scots cup semi final speak for themselves.
19 Sep 2016 02:12:44
Mabey barton was in the right? The star's aligned for the cup. multiple factors and a severe off day meant that rangers advanced. Loosing to hibs proved that. The start to the season proved it further. Can any rangers fan stand up and honestly say from thier heart that the cup result hasn't given the dressing room ambition beyond thier talent? Cue fighting and finger pointing when it sets in.
FACT. The hat has told his team they would win the title and they deserve it and are good enough. What does he expect to happen when you brainwash numpties and it doesn't go to plan. they kick off. Haliday's alleged statement was classic "we were good enough last time before you joined".
Hearts walked the championship at one attempt, lost some good players and finished third in the spl. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
19 Sep 2016 12:45:59
I need some imagination to understand what you have written. Really difficult to make sense of that, no offence like. Mabye you had had an uisge beatha or two, given your post time.
18 Sep 2016 12:16:44
One of my mates was telling me that he's heard rangers are on the verge of terminating Bartons contract tommoro, anyone else heard this?
18 sep 2016 12:50:03
not sure if they're able to tear up bartons contract without paying him a large sum of money which rangers are short of.
18 Sep 2016 14:58:28
He'll be quite happy to be released i think. His fitness and shape has been poor and he thought he could stroll through games up here. if we release him he'll be able to sign for a lower table EPL or decent Championship side. for a whole lot more than he is on now.
18 Sep 2016 15:00:23
Depends if what happened the other day could be classed as gross misconduct or not but with war button not saying what exactly happened it would probably take a kings ransom to get rid with a non disclosure clause and even harder to get Barton to keep to it.
18 Sep 2016 16:15:10
Barton would have a very good case for constructive dismissal. I know employment law and I'm sorry but the club has behaved even worse than he has- allowing or deliberately leaking the story. Only a small group of people knew about this (all rangers employees) .
Clear agenda by the club to scapegoat Barton and hope he would agree to contract being mutually terminated- Barton will never agree to that after being publicly vilified.
This is coming from a fan that never wanted him in first place. I'm disgusted by the blame it all on Barton nonsense- the whole team has been poor and that is the managers responsibility.
18 Sep 2016 17:30:29
Not heard anything yet and I don't want to judge as I don't no what happened
But if he's has questioned warbs style of play then I think he had a right to bring it up.
18 Sep 2016 16:41:06
His contract will be terminated due to gross misconduct he will be sacked with no money having to be paid.
18 Sep 2016 17:52:44
And then he will sue us for unfair dismissal.
Answering back isn't gross misconduct, neither is abusive language- it's a disciplinary offence but it would be very hard to issue more than a formal warning.
In terms of his media interviews- unless he was told not to it isn't a disciplinary offence.
Sorry it's much much harder to sack people than most people realise- I struggled to sack an employee who had stolen brazenly. Got there in end but it was a painful drawn out process.
And like I said above Barton has already got a very good case for constructive dismissal due to leaking of an internal confidential matter- imagine you had a row with your boss (as many do), they overreact and send you home then you find everything is public knowledge- what would you do?
18 Sep 2016 20:42:16
Had MW not said in the past that Bartons outputs are just "tongue in cheek "; that might come back and bite us. Also how many times have we seen players going at it at training bust ups, but also put down as players want to win so badly. Martin is trouble but is also clever and whatever happens he has all the good cards to play. if he get sacked he will mouth off to anyone and everyone; if he gets a payoff and confidentiality clause that will cost us money we don't have. If he goes without any clause to stay silent; he will expose any nonsense he wants to put out there and sue me and be damned. Not good position for us to be in.
18 Sep 2016 21:05:09
Honest ger. I agree that dismissing someone is not easy - and neither it should be. But I don't accept your rational, even if your assumptions are correct.
It depends on what he's done, it depends what his contracts states, it depends on club rules, it depends on any club disciplinary policy.
I don't think Rangers have done anything wrong. They've not comment publicly, they've sent him home (I'm assuming with pay, hence a suspension) and they will deal with him this week (the hearing) .
I'm pretty sure that through breach of contract, bringing the club into disrepute and an unauthorised interview they've got enough to get rid of him.
And I think they have to get rid of him or Warburton has no credibility.
19 Sep 2016 09:39:32
BruisedBear, as a manager who has just completed some courses on disciplinary procedures you'd be amazed how difficult it is to actually get rid of someone. It normally takes months going through the correct procedures. I don't see anything that warrants an outright sacking without Barton suing for unfair dismissal. Even if he was face to face with Warburton and screaming obscenities at his team mates. Almost every manager and pundit, has publicly stated these sort of bust ups happen in football.
19 Sep 2016 10:33:07
He had breached a confidentiality contract signed by going on talk sport, if he went face to face with warburton the he has to go, the gaffer can't afford to have anyone regardless of who it is think he can question the manager, Wallace n Walter wouldn't have accepted that!
19 Sep 2016 10:36:34
I may be wide of the mark here as I'm no employment law expert but I thought given the nature of footballers contracts that it doesn't fall under the standard rules of employment law? Put it this way, you cannot under any circumstance "trade" a standard employee with transfer fees, however you can in football as they are essentially treated as assets on their balance sheets as available for sale assets. The contracts that govern footballers are unique to that industry and unless you know employment law specific to sports players, I'm not convinced they fall under the standard rules. It may very well be easier to punt barton that some believe and I recall Fran Sandaza's case of dismissal which didn't last very long.
19 Sep 2016 10:58:47
Have to agree with honestger and coop here! rangers look to have no grounds for gross misconduct in this instance, not only would Barton have the rest of his contract paid out as a lump sum he would also have grounds for defamation of character and unfair dismissal.
From the alleged statements I think Halliday comes across like a spoilt brat who threw the toys out of the pram because someone had the audacity to not blow smoke up their bums. their performance in the old firm was not acceptable and was confounded on Saturday yet again. I'm glad someone in the dressing room (Barton) has a clear sense of what is expected and is willing to share his disgust with the others. If there was no reaction I would have been more worried.
Just my tuppence worth.
19 Sep 2016 10:59:58
Left ibrox 15 mins ago. without comment. which is unlike him.
19 Sep 2016 11:03:10
Suspended for 3 wks.