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17 Jul 2012 22:42:26
Chris McLaughlin, BBC, tweeting:-
"For those asking, #SFA meeting with #Rangers board finished about 1830. Neither party would comment on outcome."
Mac2.
Usually no news is good news but hard to believe Rangers will come out of that meeting happy.
17 Jul 2012 20:00:26
Just watched the Dynamo Dresden v Man City friendly. Vladimir Weiss ran the show. Hope he gets a decent run this year with City. Also City had a young Croatian striker on trial-- Mario Jelavic... Any fellow bears know if he's related to Nicika Jelavic. Googled it but not much on him??
T
He only got 28 mins and the score finished 0-0. can hardly say he ran the show mate, dont even know if hes signed back with city as hes out of contract. and dont have a clue about the boy jelavic
BALLYBOY
BALLYBOY {Ed039's Note - On trial, he is a free agent after leaving Hadjuk Split, only 19)
Hes on free agent we should get him on board!
Aye, and he'll come and play in div3 with us, get real man.
We also have the transfer embargo...
Lord Nelson
17 Jul 2012 19:31:30
I see Bomber Brown has receuited Wee Barry to the fold, to back "the fans" take over of the club.
Maybe if Wee Barry pays some of his EBT back it might get off the ground...the word farcical springs to mind.
Bill
The problem there was it wasnt illegal to recieve them or was it
Maybe Barry can sell his caravan towards the fund, not much use for it these days with the summers being so unpredictable
I wish i had a caravan like him beats ma hoose anyday i stay where he is from and he has even bought his misses family a big hoose
It wasn't illegal to receive EBT payments, its the manner in which they were paid.
EBT's were ONLY meant to be for discretionary payments, not contractural ones.
The appeal against HMRC is not based on they were not guilty of using EBT's in a fit and proper way, they are appealing the amount and penalties.
Why is some fans giving John Brown stick. CG has said he'll have 30 million pounds worth of investment by the end of July(we'll see)CG is going to tear up Rangers and asset strip the club.Never trust a Yorkshireman,i work with a few and they tell a lot of lies,do not trust this man!
Think about what your saying man - asset strip what ? rangers have been for sale for years and been bought twice - both times for a bloody pound - asset strip ? Away and boil yer heid !!!
Total respect for Bomber after saying he'll put in £40k of his own money, although I'm not sure he's the guy to take us forward.
I just hope he doesn't lose it all if his takeover fails.
Why do people keep insisting Ibrox, Murray Park and the Albion are worth more than CG paid for them ?
Based on what evidence ?
Anorak.
Aye asset strip.Good bit of business buying Ibrox,Murray park and the Albion car park for 5 million.Wake up.He did'nt expect Rangers to go into Div 3.Who's going to invest? What he'll do is put Rangers back into admin and asset strip.Listen gers fans dont renew your season tickets.If you go and watch Rangers,pay at the gate so he does'nt get a lump sum from season ticket intake.
Anorak, murray park must be worth upward of £12m, it is a state of the art sports facility in the westend. Bannantyne, David Lloyd or any big leisure chain would have bought, of that im sure. jj
17 Jul 2012 15:39:16
So Frazer Fyvie is off to Wigan for a price of 2m over 2 seasons, don't think Aberdeen will be going into administration anytime soon.
Vambo
Ye but they just lost one of their better players and won't be able to replace him. {Ed039's Note - Very good young player, I hope he does well for himself)
I am sure the bank will want a chunk o.f it and not be much left {Ed039's Note - Even if Rangers were still in the SPL then this would probably still be the case, its a good deal for Aberdeen considering he only had 6 months left on his contract if the fee is correct)
Where are u gettin this info said 400thousand {Ed039's Note - I havent found anything on the fee. Only undisclosed)
Aye that will supplement their piss poor attendances for another season at least.
They'll be needing more than that and now with no sky/espn contract signed, not even in principle, still be needing more.
Am sure their fans will be really happy about that.
Could be wrong but i am sure i read somewhere that the sheep were £10 million in debt.........£2 million over 2 seasons won't make a massive difference.
The fyvie fee is 600k with add ons....the 2m is the article in the press, which says that Aberdeen have banked 2m over the last 2 years, not off this deal
Sevco is selling all the remaining players because they are no longer in the spl so whats your point ?
Shows aberdeen's ambitions, flog their up and coming talent to keep the bank at arm's length. {Ed039's Note - Remind you of anyone in recent years? Look a little closer to home)
Bank at arm's length- If Mr Murray had done this, you would not be where you are today.
Tam
Stewart Milne has personal fortune of £300 million andlook at the state of Aberdeen, Milne keeps the bank from calling in the debts, that's why I worry about Green, if he has financial backing it has to be made public soon.
Milne has nowhere near that amount or he would re-finance aberdeen
£2m for an splist with six months left?!? lol! the drugs are obviously still piling into port in sheep-fancier land! For "undisclosed" read "buttons" ya balloon. Your club is staring at admin. No many on here will shed a tear. The rest of you deserve all that's coming.
I admit I do for feel sorry for Stewart Milne, he's in house building and football, not much growth in those industries is there now!
Also, Aberdeen fans give him pelters for not throwing his own hard earned money into the black hole of Scottish football, not realising without him the club would go bust!
If milne had that money he could afford a better quality of carpet 4 his heid that rug on top is soooo ill fitting! or get a rooney haha
Milne had £300m before property boom went into decline, he is in Scotlands Rich list 2012 with £140m, AFC silent backers are also on list Sir Ian Wood Family 3rd at £1 Billion +, just ahead of Rangers non backer McColl also £1 Billion +
Carpet fitter here, a wee bit o gripper rod would keep that rug nice an tight, i did a wee homer on that guy behind lennon , i think my best work yet, not a joint in sight !
Milne in previous years has wrote of 12 million pounds worth of debt that afc had.more scaremongering from the red top loyalists
{Ed052's Note - Fixtures look like this:
Ramsden's Cup away to Brechin City on July 28th
Sat Aug 11 A Peterhead
Sat Aug 18 H East Stirlingshire
Sat Aug 25 A Berwick Rangers
Sat Sep 01 H Elgin City
Sat Sep 15 A Annan Athletic
Sat Sep 22 H Montrose
Sat Oct 06 A Stirling Albion
Sat Oct 20 H Queen's Park
Sat Oct 27 A Clyde
Sat Nov 10 H Peterhead
Sat Nov 17 A East Stirlingshire
Sat Nov 24 A Elgin City
Sat Dec 01 H Annan Athletic
Sat Dec 08 H Stirling Albion
Sat Dec 15 A Montrose
Wed Dec 26 H Clyde
Sat Dec 29 A Queen's Park
Wed Jan 02 A Annan Athletic
Sat Jan 05 H Elgin City
Sat Jan 12 H Berwick Rangers
Sat Jan 19 A Peterhead
Sat Jan 26 H Montrose
Sat Feb 02 A Stirling Albion
Sat Feb 09 H Queen's Park
Sat Feb 16 A Clyde
Sat Feb 23 A Berwick Rangers
Sat Mar 02 H East Stirlingshire
Sat Mar 09 H Annan Athletic
Sat Mar 16 A Elgin City
Sat Mar 23 H Stirling Albion
Sat Mar 30 A Montrose
Sat Apr 06 A Queen's Park
Sat Apr 13 H Clyde
Sat Apr 20 H Peterhead
Sat Apr 27 A East Stirlingshire
Sat May 04 H Berwick Rangers
You must fancy your chances in the ramsden cup.wee day out at hampden on the cards {Ed039's Note - We will be playing Queens Park twice so there will be a couple of days at Hampden, a good thing, the prices will allow familes to visit Hampden and hopefully a new generation of supporter will follow from it as well)
On the positives ............ think of the air miles!
2 Derby games in October back to back and again in December, February and in April as well, excellent.
8 Glasgow derbies in the one season.
That 3rd game looks hard our first game on foreign soil.
None of the above fixtures will happen by the end of this week or next the headlines will be Newco Rangers will be forced to take a year out
Clyde moved out of Glasgow when I was at school. OAP now.
Rangers are in no way ready to start a new season no matter what division they play in the only way out of all this is to take a year out and spend that time re- establishing a team and then apply for a license to play next year.
I can remember watching clyde v gers at shawfield im sure it was round a bout 1976 bobby mc kean was playing and running rings round everyone ,i was 29 and im not a pensioner yet doug t.s.o
The problem with the 'taking a year out post' is it leaves a space in Div3 that somebody else might take (eg Spartans) meaning in a years time there are no spots to be had - in effect finishing us off
Thought we were banned from Europe? an away day in England? lol
17 Jul 2012 15:32:09
I always thought the DeSteffano bloke was a bit of a loose cannon, but bears does he have a point in his comments over the weekend. If the 'mint' sold for a £1 with the acceptance of the debt -£24m then how come we were in admin with the huge black hole at time of Liquadation - before any one states from other clubs about not paying tax etc etc let me finish. We were to be bought for a £1 with the buyer taking responsibility to pay the debts of £24m. We were at the time operating in a way that over previous seasons had been making a surplus which had been reducing the debt, there was no major investments in playing staff following the purchase yet instead of the debt continuing to be reduced it increased ! If this is looked at logically then the italian Lawyer has a point and maybe someone has salted off around the £50m that he stated in the press, no prizes for guessing who tho ! How about getting the Italion to persue a case for us against the criminal who brought us down. Any word ed on how the sfa meeting is going ?
He's full of crap and publicity seeking. Let the BDO and police investigations take their courses. All will come out in the wash. Let's just get back to playing football.
He is a lawyer not an accountant, 50 million is not a small accountng error, I feel someone may have noticed it missing.
The man is as crazy as a bag of snakes.
Anorak
Italian lawyer? He was instructed by an English court that he could not call himself a lawyer.No one has seen "Mr Stevens" documentation.
Leave it to Strathclde Polce and the Serious Fraud Office.
The man is as crazy as a bag of snakes.
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Must be a Rangers man. {Ed039's Note - Or good friend with Terry Hurlock)
Here ed, Terry Hurlock here. What you saying about me? Ye startin summat, i'll mallet ye wi ma mullet lol. {Ed039's Note - Character or what, fitba is a sadder place without halfwits like him in the game, everybody seems to have ego but no character)
Aye Terry Hurlock was mental. The opposition must have been crapping themselves when they seen him on the teamsheet. Rumour has it 3 extra ambulances were on standby whenever he played.:)
He is a waste of space, talking s**te in pubs in and around walthamstow london.
17 Jul 2012 14:58:25
Green is claiming that he is flying to Zurich to see UEFA about transfer fees due to other clubs.
Two huge problems with this statement.
1. UEFA are not based in Zurich, they are based in Nyon.
2. UEFA have not juristiction over transfer fees.
Strange one !!
Mac2.
Nearest airport to Nyon is Geneva which is other side of country from Zurich!
Which confirms that it's a smokescreen to see Whyte who flew to Zurich this morning from Monaco.
You fly to Zurich. Rapid Vienna have complained to UEFA over Jelavic.
To be fair the issue isn't the fee its the premiss that all football debts are paid in full, still think its a smoke screen because this is something FIFA/UAFE wont budge on on of the quirks of football all other debts can go whistle except football. (What do you think Ed) {Ed039's Note - Agreed, I dont think there will be a budge on the football debts and I agree. Although I think there would be a timescale put on settling the debts)
Wow I had no idea so many intelligence operatives came to this site. How else would they know Green flew to Zurich to meet Whyte ?
I wonder if Lex Gold was there too to complete the set.
Heard Green didn't fly anywhere today. Another bad day for the footballing conspiracy theorists. You'd think they would learned their lesson by now.
Both UEFA and FIFA confirmed tonight that they had no scheduled meetings with Mr Green or anyone from Rangers for today.
Source: STV
Green did fly, was interviewed at Glasgow Airport.
I don't think opportunity knocks (Green) will be flying anywhere until tonight. . . . cos everybody associated with yer stricken fitba club are and have been fly by night crooks :)
"Heard Green didn't fly anywhere today. Another bad day for the footballing conspiracy theorists. You'd think they would learned their lesson by now."
Really so he was at glasgow airport for a pint then not a good day for you m8 .. and you dont fly to Zurich to goto Nyon where UEFA are based unless you want to drive 300 miles , Nyon is north of Geneva which one would presume has an airport? no?
17 Jul 2012 14:19:40
The SFA want more info from Sevco on identity of investors & directors as talks continue about application to take Rangers membership.
Radio Clyde
Any credible business would have provided such information at the time of application. Even if further information is required, if there is nothing to hide, it could be provided in an afternoon.
The more this drags out the more suspicion arrises that Green & Co have much to hide.
Mac2.
Well that should shut up 'Bomber' at least......
Especially when he has to leave the country to get the information - rather dubious
Information was supplied. SFA just need a bit more in keeping with their new fit and proper person guidelines.
Murray and board meeting with SFA IN Greens absence he trying to set up pre season friendly as well as speak to UEFA. Major conspiricy going on our CEO trying to set up a football match and speaking to one of the governing bodies ffs get a grip.Source Sky interview.
If the sfa had done this with Craig s**te we wouldn't be in this mess morons.
Of particular interest are the faceless men behind Blue Pitch Holdings who are the biggest investors in Sevco with 23 per cent of the new company.
Thank goodness the SFA finally seem to be doing a "fit & proper" test. Pity they weren't so particular over Craig Shyte.
This should now expose Charles Green's investor, if they actually exist. I hae ma doubts !
Who carried out the fit and proper on Regan and Doncaster? and have they got their certificates to prove it?
If the sfa had done this with Craig s**te we wouldn't be in this mess morons.
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I'm surprised Sir David Murray or the Rangers Directors did not check out Craig Whyte before selling RFC to him.
Cause it went of for weeks.
Remember.
It was supposed to be self-certification
Though in the end one did the others.
17 Jul 2012 14:06:27
Lets get this history thing cleared up once and for all! If 'Rangers Football Club PLC' - 'The Rangers Football Club' have to take sanctions against them handed down by the SFL for the financial wrong doings of previous regimes then Im afraid that means 'The Rangers Football Club' is affiliate to this previous company and in turn the same club.
If as it has been mentioned today that 'The Rangers Football Club' have to use the accounts of the previous 'Rangers Football Club PLC' to gain entry into the SFL Division 3 then that also means that they are an affiliate of the old company. Company being the operative word there….not club.
In short you cannot punish a new football club with sanctions if indeed they are completely new and have not done anything to warrant these sanctions in the first place. You cannot have it both ways! Yes, Rangers have done wrong and yes, us gas fans accept that and are prepared to pay our dues!. We have been punished and it looks as if we will continue to do so but know this, we are the same club and anything any other team would like to put across that we have no history, championships or cups to boast now is pure fallacy!
54 and counting....cause the SFA through their actions have made that perfectly clear.
Correct if the Newco are a child of the original team and company then the history continues.
on the other hand that then means it has to take the sancions in connection with the previous team and company.
If no sanctions are to be placed on the team and company then it would need to be a NEW company and team not connected in anyway with the old team and company, resulting in loss of history and everything that goes with it, but the team and company would have to have a special case made to join the league without 3 years finance on their books....catch 22 my friend.
Bill
@ OP "54 and counting.."
Yeah and downwards when the SPL double contract sanctions are applied in the next few days!
Counting up or counting downwards.... will you give any titles back unfairly won?
@OP - Can you list the punishments you think you've received so far?
Total = 0
Your current state of demise is through going into administration and failure to file accounts in time for a licence.
No one has penalised you YET you muppet. That will change in next few days when Green rolls over and accepts the clubs overdue sanctions as a new club. Yes, you keep your history, but baggage and paying for the sins as well go with it.
Toxic brand and you want to keep the history when the most successful period depended on tax avoidance, not paying creditors and fielding players you couldn't otherwise of afforded without the fiddling of debts and then not registering them properly with SPL/SFA to hide your tracks.
Keep your history mate if it makes you feel good, the sins will never be forgotten for the next 140 years.
That answers some of the questions but by that logic and since a CVA was not agreed are we still then on the hook for any tax bills and other monies owed - I know the figure being touted about was possibly as high as £150m - we could not afford that in the spl with Champions League football let alone in the 3rd Div.
Personally I think your view is over simplistic and you are writing with your heart rather than your head.
Your wrong. If Newco were Rangers there would be no need to transfer the SFA membership. The SFA has to decide which if any of the existing penalties are attached to the transfer.
@ OP - If you are new then put in a new application instead of transferring your share. As you are transferring share because you want to transfer the history then the football sanctions have to follow.(cake and eat it). Not complicated FFS
You would think there wasnt a septik rumours page available with the amount of timmothys commenting on here! I see their obsession with rangers is still live and kicking, we are and always will be the people! 54 titles, onwards and upwards!
"Keep your history mate if it makes you feel good, the sins will never be forgotten for the next 140 years."
The sins??????
Would that be the sins that as yet there has been no verdict reached yet?
Honestly, i hope other clubs are accused of things as this will give Rangers fans the perfect ammo to cry 'guilty until proven innocent and even if innocent we will still call you guilty' just the same as we have had to put up with.
The only 'sins' would be mismanagement by TWO individuals, but timmy thinks each and every Rangers fan are personally responsible..........complete rockets to a man they are!!!
As usual the obsessed with all things Rangers are crawling all over RANGERS rumours, yep that's RANGERS, same club, same stadium, same manager, same fans and same history, why else would the corrupt SFA still be talking about sanctions against us, and as for titles won, check the history books......they show Rangers having actually won 61 league titles but we don't need to even count the extra titles as even without them
we are the most successfully club on the planet, now run along timothy.
If its the same club then why are you currently called sevco? Why will it be THE rangers and not just rangers? Why did SEVCO have to apply to become a member of the Scottish football league?
before anyone gives it the company changed in 1899 but the club remained the same, think about this your name was rangers from 1872 remained as rangers after company change in 1899 but your newco can't carry the same name still?
You lot do know that you may not be granted permission to call yourselves THE rangers as it may carry too many resemblances to the old name of the club which no longer exists due to mismanagement of financial obligations?
54? And out i'm afraid
Jamie Mac(still ostriches)
If using EBTs is cheating and I emphasis supposedly it is the use of them that is cheating, then will Celtic fans accept 3-0 losses for every game where they were using them? Therefore putting you in Divison 1 by relegation?
Its a new entity no history ? cnat find anything in record books about it?
If was old RANGERS THEN THEY WOULD BE PAYING ALL THEIR DEBT ??WOULDNT THEY?
Well if thats the case then you can pay the tax bill aswell then
Right think I am starting to get a bit this -
Sevco are hoping to transfer the SFA membership of Rangers to the new identity.
This would allow Sevco to bypass the normal SFA membership requirements.
The sanctions are attached to Rangers membership so if Sevco wish to use their licence they may also have to take these sanctions.
This bit makes sense to me.
Now with regards getting the history of Rangers attached I am still a bit baffled.
I could buy a licence for a pub and use it for a different premise without taking over the original premises which I would presumably have to purchase separately.
If I were to buy a pub licence that had a curfew imposed I would possibly have to respect this curfew.
However, respecting the curfew would not mean that as licence holder and respecting its sanction I could claim the building to which it belonged as my own without separate agreement on that including not least paying for it.
By the same logic I can see how the license and sanction can be separated from the oldco removing the need to fulfil non football debts but what I don’t get is how we can get our hands on Rangers history for Sevco by acquiring a license?
Somebody help me out here.
Your way of durasic thinking is why ALL in Scottish Football hate you and your type. RFC have all but destroyed the game as we know it by your unethical standards. I for one hope you join Third Larnark and I support Forfar.
"Counting up or counting downwards.... will you give any titles back unfairly won?"
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Yes and we will still be ahead of you by the time we return for the next title, mark my words Gers will be out of the SPL for one season.
lookout for expanded SPL reconstruction and Gers invited to join it!
You all must be glad the history continues, that way you have something to continue obsessing about!
"Would that be the sins that as yet there has been no verdict reached yet?"
Eh, where have you been ya muppet?
Double contracts - Guilty per SPL, sanction to be confirmed
Non payment of tax & NI - all of RFC PLC board of directors (not just two men!) - Guilty per SFA Disciplinary panel and upheld appeal - sanction to be confirmed
Failing to inform SFA of disqualified director - all of board of directors of RFC PLC - FINED
No one is blaming the Gers fans, they are victims as well, but not alone, all of Scottish football fans have been cheated, not just by CW and DM but every named and shamed director who sat on that Board taking their shilling and turning a blind eye to what was going on. That's why the Club collectively/corporately is being punished, it's not aimed at the fans.
I fail to see in my original statement where I mentioned that gers fans would not accept the sanctions?
What this all basically comes down to is Celtic fans wishing us Gers to accept that we have no history whatsoever. Bring the sanctions we can take our medicine and like you lot we do not suffer from the severe chip on the shoulder inferiority complex...see the referee situation for your proof. We can take our medicine and will do so.
Also for the poster that mentioned double contracts in our most successful spell...really! I dont seem to remember any EBT (guilty or otherwise) being in play at the time of our 9 in a row run. Another fallacy concocted to make square pegs fit round holes in the eyes of the CFC support.
"If using EBTs is cheating and I emphasis supposedly it is the use of them that is cheating, then will Celtic fans accept 3-0 losses for every game where they were using them? Therefore putting you in Divison 1 by relegation?"
Celtic paid the tax to HMRC and there were no side contracts so up yer kilt!
"lookout for expanded SPL reconstruction and Gers invited to join it!"
Possibly if they did it tomorrow, but in a years time with no fan bases left or team to speak of and if you fail to qualify from D3 to D2 I think you would struggle to get that invite. A year will be a long, long time for Rangers. {Ed039's Note - Its a very important year for Newco Rangers)
To all supporter posting on this site who are saying it is not a punishment. most neutral fans will agree with you, I agree with you, it is not a punishment. It IS A PERSECUTION.
Ozzie Al
Rangers must accept whatever sanctions sfa deem are appropriate im afrain as newco rangers applied for oldco membership.that is why there are these conditions.if rangers dont want to accept these conditions then they can and apply for the space in division 3 along with clubs like spartans and the likes.this is the only way to avoid further sanctions.rangers are in essence accepting liablities in order to jump the footballing queue
See this is the funny thing so we will just get right to the point and ask the question to all none rangers fans.If we get sanctions passed down for the crimes of the old regime then clearly the powers that be see us as the same football team therefore surely our football history continues.The reason we have to be registered under a new company number is because the company part is bust not the football team.
Just for info rangers official name is the rangers always has been same as new co
Here is a hypothetical question for you guys then. If Celtic won the european cup in 1967 when the format for the competition was far different and did not include even a quarter the amount of the games that today's format does, then does that enable Celtic FC to be able to claim that they have won that competition and indeed sport the one start above their club crest. Surely the history of that cup competition is now defunct as the european cup competition does not now exist as it is now the Champions league and cup? Hmmm I wonder? {Ed039's Note - Clutching st straws mate, what you need to remember is that this was football in an era when guys played football for the love of football and Celtic built a team that won Europe's elite competition with a team grown from 10 miles of the boundries of Glasgow, as a Rangers fan I must even admit, it was a fantastic achievement and moments like that in football are ones to be proud of and well and surely merit a badge above any clubs crest)
When will all the Rangers fans realise their history is dead. The reason you need to accept sancions is you are applying to take over the old rangers licence. This licence comes with sanctions. This does not mean a continuation of the history.......how thick are you lot
Celtic fans and celtic football club have never claimed to have won the champions league . they have only ever said they were the first british winners of the european cup simple , or is it too complicated for you ,rangers were also winners of the european cup winners cup , which isnt even played for now ,but that is still in rangers history what is the problem
Touch of class in last reply ed039, nice mate
Jamie Mac
@ the guy who asked if celtic can claim to win the european cup because it changed its name ? if eufa where liquidated and then started up the champions league you would have a point but since they simply changed their name and is still the same eufa then your point is pretty desperate ... ps total respect for your reply ed {Ed039's Note - It was a pathetic post)
We take what ever sanctions the cowardly sfa / spl want to hit us with that way we keep our history wee ally should take what ever sanction they hit him with there trying to kill our club but we will bite back big time
Look the fact is it doesnt matter what other people think or what other people want or say the only people that matter is what ( at this time sevco ) wants your the only one who has to make the choice ... do you want to apply as oldco licence and use the name and claim the history which means take the sanctions or apply with a new name no history and start from scratch only you can decide
If i buy a license for a pub jeez cant even get that right you apply for a personel license to allow you to operate a licensed premises! i should know been running a pub for years...mark.
54 and counting....cause the SFA through their actions have made that perfectly clear.
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There is nothing wrong in trying to fool other supporters. Its all fun and banter.
As long as you dont believe the untruths yourself. Otherwise its probably the sign of a breakdown. Make an appointment to be safe.
17 Jul 2012 13:40:20
Being reported that Green is flying to Zurich today supposedly to see UEFA and Whyte was spotted at Monaco Airport this morning boarding a plane to guess where?
Probably just a coincidence......
Yep, both flew into Geneva today. Much more likely that they will be having a chat rather than Green asking UEFA to wipe out the debts owed by Gers to other teams. He would be asking for trouble, pocketing the Everton Jelly money and sticking 2 fingers up to Rapid Vienna.
Now that's a photograph that would set the hares running........
So one poster says Green flew to Zurich and the other says Whyte flew to Geneva. Yet the implication is they are meeting ? Were they going to shout across Switzerland at each other ?
17 Jul 2012 12:42:42
STV understands Rangers not required by SFA to file 2011 accounts as club has been punished for failing to do so Rangers' failure to submit accounts was 1 of many actions deemed in breach of Rule 66, all stuck together, which led to £100k fine & embargo.
Sfa DID NOT PUNISH OLD RANGERS FOR NON ACCOUNTS THAT IS RUBBISH
17 Jul 2012 12:25:58
BOMBER BROWN tell us what you know!
What is this "revelation regarding ownership"?
You have kept the faithful dangling too longnow come on!!
We need answers, we nned them now, we want answers and you seem to have them!!
No don't tell us, show us your proof ya waste of time. (and give that pensioner his dosh back FFS!)
Ok here goes. Ibrox is owned by........ Ok that is the first part of my message I will reveal more when Saturn is in Uranus and when you send me a cheque for£50 for some cider! Stay tuned bears!
Bomber probably cannae remember what his revelation was. Who knows, maybe it'll come back to him at some point.
I believe Bummer Brown should be surfacing soon to issue some more comical statements fae the side a his mooth, he's probably spent his £500 appearance fees by now and should be coming roon fae his latest bender. . . . . . or mibbe he's huvin a wee curer wi thon pensioners ticket money !
17 Jul 2012 11:47:09
SFA to discipline Ally for outburst over demanding names of SFA Disciplinary panel.
About time.
Gratuitous vindictive planned cold criticism of a system to protect officials from the mob. A system all 42 Scottish Association clubs unanimously approved.
Given the punishments for criticising a referee, I cannot see him retaining his coaching badges/ license.
Ally's outbursts regarding the players who didn't want to switch to Newco were pretty low also, considering...
Taken 83 days, about time. Respect for the guy from February for showing leadership during Admin, but he lost the plot with this outburst and deserves sanctions.
Mmmm post 1. you could almost be talking about neil lennons out burst about referees remember? what im saying is under pressure people make mistakes neil and ally have done this i would expect ally to be punished along the same lines as neil only fair is it not? i await the replies lol...mark.
Oh good grief give it a rest- loose his coaching badges?? What age are you son? you think like a child, you're far too young to be so bitter. Or too old to be so simple.
This kind of cr@p needs to stop. You must all be hanging around like vultures waiting for comments to come in and respond with such pettiness.
Your sad.
GDog
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He's a passionate guy, thats what would be said if it was Lennon! Unreal, everyones loving having a kick at us right now, In any way shape or form.
If jt was lennon the sfa would kiss his a**e , but because mccoist is a ranger they hammer him
Utter nonsense! I can think of a certain person who should have been dragged over the coal's for there actions and word's and bringing our game into disrepute, all because a wrong decision was made during a game.
, Rangers to punished for having too many vowels in their name. When will this madness end, when will everyone leave us alone to play football.The one thing this whole debacle has shown me is what a bitter twisted and vengeful nation we are. No wonder there are so few scots on the world stage.
You know what time I think it is ? Its time CelTim fans logged on to their own fansite and started worrying about their own team who are about to feel the pinch ! Ally has every right to have " Lost the Plot " any normal/sane person would have had a nervous breakdown with all this going on.
All ally asked was for loyalty from the players, theyd never have been made to stay, loose his coaching badges, dont think so, neil lennons done alot worse
Wonder what the punishment for mr regan will be between his secret emails and his unsavoury tweets,mr dallas was hung out to dry for iess
They keep telling us Rangers don't exist anymore but still they are obssessed... {Ed052's Note - It seems to be the history thing thats the biggest argument on here right now. At the end of the day we know what history we have, never mind what mince thay come away with. we will always be Rangers and when we win our next league tittle i will be counting it as 55.
You spell loose.... LOSE take a bit of time and check your spelling. Ta
Does it really matter anymore, tell the SFA to make their decisions, regarding all 'punishments' and send it to us in an email.
Strange that the SFA and Celtic's lawyers are one and the same!
Outbursts, tantrums when things don't his way, abusing refeeres to the point they went on strike, running onto the pitch to get in the refs face....Mmmm not actions of McCoist i don't think....
ED, seriously counting D3 title as number 55? {Ed052's Note - Why not.
Come on fellow bears, some of you are starting to sound like you've been taking lessons from Celtic fans in how to be paranoid!
PS. Ally made a stupid mistake which turned public opinion against our club, since then he's behaved impeccably and probably learned his lesson.
And we say there paranoid, come on guys get a grip and as for ally having it much worse than lennon, c'mon. Ally should not have asked for the names to be made public, the guys got death threats(just like lennon got) and I can remeber alot more than just THEM moaning bout how bad the ref's were. Some of you's need to take your blue glasses off and 55 will only be won when its in the top league over THEM not over elgin. {Ed052's Note - Do you think tittle number 1 , 2 etc.. was won over them
Ally McCoist faces disciplinary action over his demand for members of an panel that handed out a transfer ban on #Rangers to be publicly identified.
McCoist's call for the names of members of the independent three-man panel to be made public when they had been guaranteed anonymity led to threats being issued against individuals.
What upset the Scottish authorities is Rangers were already aware of the three individuals identities when McCoist made his comments on Rangers TV in April.
Now the boss of Newco Rangers will be asked to explain his outburst before a similar judicial panel to the one that he said could "kill" his club.
McCoist said on Rangers TV at the time :"Who are these people? I want to know whose these people are."
Coupled with those remarks and the claim that "In terms of our supporters, again they have received another kicking, and we just feel it is time to start fighting back.
"You can guarantee that we will be fighting back," the SFA have confirmed that the remarks have been reported by the SFA compliance officer.
A case will be taken up by the judicial panel when other outstanding disciplinary issues relating to Rangers are resolved.
Come on now guys were we all so naive to believe it would be a straightforward case of the SFA/SPl letting us play in the 3rd Division. We would be to much of a threat to these institutions. The result of the vote shocked them and when they reassessed the situation they did not expect the div 3 sides to be so warm and welcome to the idea of rangers in their league. They could not afford to take the chance that the 3rd division could have had the potential to become bigger and more interesting than the premier competition in terms of attendances and interest, as this would have meant them losing both their power and influence over the game in Scotland. This is the real reason for their continued purge of all things Rangers including the innocent supporters. My eyes are getting old but blind Freddy can see that this is the real reason for the persecution of the Rangers family.
Ozzie Al
Ed who where titles one and two win over then was celtic not around in 1890 ? {Ed039's Note - First title was shared with Dumbarton in 1891, both teams finished on same points and a play-off finished 2 each, next title was in 1899. Queens Park were the team to beat at the start out of the professional game in Scotland)
Celyic fans want a number of our titles taken away,not because of sporting integrity,but only because of our proud world record.Ed is correct,why not 55 and counting after winning Div3 that alone would really annoy them. PS...The SFA made WWI titles official and then WWII unofficial, if all things being even were applied now,Rangers should be about 60 and counting. Geo the Ger
No wonder there are so few scots on the world stage.
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Its cause we dont have Scottish referees
on the world stage helping.
There you go again, cheating again.
What yeeeez like?
Canny help yourselfs.
But I think Uefa and Fifa will help you along with any misunderstandings with rules and stats.
Well one things forsure.
Rangers have certainly got Scottish Football and Scotland noticed in the World stage.
That pesky www.
17 Jul 2012 11:33:06
Scottish FA issues Rangers update
Tuesday, 17 July 2012
Now that the status of Rangers FC has been clarified by the respective league bodies, the Scottish FA has compiled the following information to provide clarity and guidance on the remaining issues to be resolved.
When will the Scottish FA consider Rangers application for membership?
Now that the Scottish Football League have made a conditional acceptance of Rangers FC in Irn Bru Division Three we will now consider the club’s application for membership transfer this week.
How can Rangers be considered for membership when they can't provide four years’ financial statements?
Sevco Scotland Ltd bought Rangers Football Club PLC’s share in the SPL and membership of the Scottish FA as part of their acquisition of assets. Under Article 14.1, Sevco Scotland are requesting the transfer of the existing membership of Oldco. This is different to an application for a new membership, which generally requires four years of financial statements.
When will the Appellate Tribunal be reconvened?
The Scottish FA has been in dialogue with Rangers FC in respect of the outstanding disciplinary sanction. The decision of the Court of Session to set aside the 12-month registration embargo was complicated by Rangers FC’s administration and subsequent request from Sevco Scotland for a transfer of membership of the Scottish FA. Again, now that the club’s status has been confirmed by the SPL and SFL, we will consider the award of transfer once Rangers FC satisfy the necessary criteria.
Will Rangers’ original punishments be transferred to Newco?
The Scottish FA Board has the power to transfer membership under Article 14.1, which states:
“. . . Transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the Board may think fit.â€
Will Ally McCoist be subject to a Compliance Officer Reference for his comments about the Judicial Panel?
The Compliance Officer communicated with Rangers FC in mid-June to confirm that the matter has been reported and will be initiated through the normal Judicial Panel Protocol upon conclusion of the other outstanding issues affecting the club.
In what round will Rangers Newco join the William Hill Scottish Cup?
Under the Scottish FA’s Cup Competition Rules, Rangers FC as a third division club will join the William Hill Scottish Cup at the second round.
Why have the Scottish FA blocked the transfer of Rangers players to other clubs?
The Scottish FA issued a guidance note, based on legal advice and without prejudice, to both Rangers FC and PFA Scotland. Certain players have now chosen not to transfer across under TUPE regulations and, instead, agreed contracts elsewhere.
On a procedural basis, the Scottish FA cannot process an International Transfer Certificate via FIFA’s Transfer Management System where there is an ongoing contractual dispute.
Rangers FC have confirmed that there is such a contractual dispute. In the meantime, the new club(s) can request a temporary transfer from FIFA in order that the player(s) is free to play while the dispute process unfolds. This process has commenced in relation to a number of the players in question.
At the request of one of the parties in dispute, the Scottish FA, through its Articles, can convene an Arbitration Panel, with either side selecting from a list of Panel members, with the two appointees subsequently selecting a Chair of the panel. Rangers FC have made such a request to the Scottish FA.
We would naturally seek an outcome as soon as possible.
Does the Scottish FA have a fit and proper person report for the new Rangers owner(s) and do we know who the main investors/directors are?
The Scottish FA has received private and confidential documentation from Sevco Scotland Ltd relating to the above. We have asked Sevco to provide further supplementary information and will consider that information this week.
Under new Scottish FA rules, it is a requirement of the outgoing club directors to conduct a full investigation under the Fit and Proper Guidelines. Given Rangers FC’s insolvency event, it has been incumbent on the administrators, Duff and Phelps, to carry out the necessary checks on the proposed new directors, as well as our own investigations.
What is the status of the investigation into use of Employee Benefit Trusts?
This is an investigation under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Premier League specific to player registrations. The SPL have recently confirmed they have prima facie evidence but as the potential appellate body, we cannot comment further at this stage.
It had been claimed Sevco would not qualify as they are unable to provide their own historic accounts, having only formed the company in 2012.
The Scottish FA however say they will be able to use the oldco’s financial documentation as a new membership is not being requested. The organisation was unavailable for immediate comment on whether the most recent accounts for the membership had been filed by the oldco.
So SFA are relying on June 2010 accounts as D&P never completed the 2011 accounts according to the last D&P creditors report. What's the point?
Basically the sfa can do what they like, when they like. They are judge and jury.
So if they are using oldco records for newco and want to punish newco for oldco's mismanagement then you must assume the sfa class the newco with oldco history?...mark.
Hmmmmm.....strengthens Green's comments that newco is treated as oldco when it suits.
In other words, let's make it up as we go along.
The Scottish FA Board has the power to transfer membership under Article 14.1, which states:
âœ. . . Transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the Board may think fit......
Lets put this to bed once and for all, the decision to refuse the transfer of membership into the SPL was a punishment for the sins of the oldco.
Anorak.
How do you know it wasnt because newco went to court ? or because green didnt put enough milk in the spls tea or even just because it was the right thing to do
@ Anorak, Oldco were expelled from SPL (not relegation) to D3 due to administration, not punished for any other sins. Hence the fresh application as a new club to SFL by Green.
Rangers still held membership this week hence they could vote at SPL AGM. Their membership has now passed to Dundee who were voted in.
SFA/SPL sanctions pending against the SFA share which Newco have asked to have transferred from Oldco, this is to protect history and avoid being turned down for not having 4 years accounts. If newco had 4 years accounts and applied as new entrant then the SFA/SPL could not have applied any sanctions.
Oldco were expelled from SPL (not relegation) to D3 due to administration, not punished for any other sins. Hence the fresh application as a new club to SFL by Green......................................
The Oldco was expelled from the SPL AFTER the newcos transfer of CLUB membership was rejected. The rejection was a punishment for the sins of the CLUB. The transfer of membership to the SFL was accepted, no new club application for membership exists anywhere on planet earth.
You are wrong, read the official statement.
Anorak.
@anorak.. You are talking gibberish, get back in your closet.
Anorak - Regardless of whether its a punishment or procedural, the same happen to Livi, Gretna and Rangers got to have their say in those scenarios. Precedents have been set for that element. Unfortunately, Rangers have had been 'allegedly' been caught with their hands in the cookie jar several times...
Rangers where never expelled the spl refused to allow them to transfer it over to sevco up until yesterday rangers where still a member of the spl at yesterdays meeting rangers agreed to transfer their share over to dundee because they are going into liquidation and cant continue their place in the spl at no point was rangers spl share stripped from them
17 Jul 2012 11:10:43
regans leaked e mail is not the only e mail to be put under hampden scrutiny couple of others that dont sound much but when the senders r revealed will make big headlines on sunday 1st one what can we do to them now. 2nd its all in place nearly done,are u ready to take over. 3rd he wont last the month. considering these were sent from sfa offices between peatrie and lawell should be interesting reading .
A distraction - Hampden internal politics of no interest to us.
Sounds like b*ll*cks to me. We are the architects of our own doenfall numbn*ts.
Come sunday you will be confirmed as a bullsh*tter.
Papers would not sit on something for that long.
17 Jul 2012 10:37:29
As we know RFC will be liquidated.
There are outstanding issues with RFC - FTTT, double contracts investigation and fines and transfer embargo, BDO forensic investigation of management of RFC and outstanding court cases with Collyer Bristow, Duff and Phelps management of the Administration and acceptance of SEVCO offer.
Stewart Regan's leaked email shows his and others attempts to try and get the newco into a div 1 or a spl 2.
The newco have been allowed entry in div 3 of the SFL, without membership of the sfa, after being refused entry to the spl or transferring spl share to newco. Some SFL clubs are calling for Stewart Regan to resign. Doubt if he is acting alone.
Now to be accepted by the SFA the newco have to accept unknown amounts of fines from the SPL, a transfer embargo and probably anything else that they can find from the liquidation of RFC.
It all appears a bit of arse before elbow from the powers that be. One minute appearing to punish the newco, then appear to go to the aid of the newco, then appear to settle on the popular vote of div3. But no, there's more and we are back to punishments for a newco. Does this all stem from the Duff and Phelps court action to quell the original transfer embargo which embarrased the SFA?
Quite simply, New Co and History = Div 3 and punishments.
New Co and Div 3 = No punishments.
There is only one reason that I can think of why the SFA and SPL are pursuing this route, which is to use the newco to get at the fans. To either bury the newco or do permanent damage to the newco but also I believe by imposing irregular punishments on an organisation that had nothing to do with the previous one, it is the fans they are going for.
Under the rules the new co can not join the SFA with out three years accounts the only way round this is to take the old co membership (transfer). If you transfer the membership to newco then any punishment will follow.
So far no punishment has been handed down to anyone. What has happened so far is 10 point deduction for going to admin (not Punishment). Joining the 3rd div (not PUnishment), no europe football for 3 years again not punishment (and now irrelevent) the other punishment which is a fine and 1 year embargo is yet to be agreed (if not this what).
And if rangers were found guilty of dual contracts. More to follow.
Rangers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. if you want Membership with out 3 years accounts then you are stuck with the oldco membership.
This should not have been going on this long But all parties have delayed this and is unfair. Good luck with the future.
It is not about punishing rangers it is about the rules that were broken and Rangers wanting the old co membership.
For the life of me, i cannot figure why some fans do not understand the situation?This situation has arisen because the SFA are allowing a transfer of share from oldco to sevco,so when you think of it they are doing sevco a favour.By rights they could cancel the share leaving sevco in limbo for years till they produce accounts for three years trading.Spartans and Cove Rangers have these in place but do not have the financial muscle of sevco,hence the favour being shown to the new club.
I think what this all shows is that no one in the sfa know what they are doing and all they know about football is its round.
You need to start looking at the facts ... fact 1 sfa trying to get newco to 1st division was for other teams benefit not yours fact 2 it was always on the cards that the sanctions would need to be excepted to gain a licence fact 3 no one has ever said you would or should get away with what you done
Cant make sense of it myself.
Surely if the punishments are being thrown at the newco then they will also be on the hook for the tax burden etc and other debts.
This however does not appear to be the case - am I missing something and is there provision for sporting sanction to be carried seperately hence the paying of football debts and carrying of football sanctions.
Might well be this is an alternative to 3 yrs worth of accounts to join the sfl but at the same time appears to be a bit of a mish mash.
I do think though that Green understands it so why does he not tell us?
It's 4 years of accounts read the SFA statement.
As we know RFC will be liquidated.
Want some fish to go with the chips on your shoulder?
Good grief.
Why not put some of your powers of deduction into looking at how Rangers were run as a club which then gave the SPL SFA SFL the opportunity to attack the fans in such a way.
'as we know...'
No chip on my shoulder pal just merely listing events as I see it, but glad you agree the fans are getting smacked.
Dont need to look into the way in witch the club was run, D&P have done and BOD are going to be doing that.
But of course Airdrie buying Clydebank and changing location and name is different and starting as I believe in the 2nd division, is totally different.
17 Jul 2012 10:48:37
Ian black will play in 3rd divison
source-scottish sun
We should be doing everything possible to sign Black
Incorrect.Ian Black will sit in the stand suspended for most of the third division season.
Black was on £10k a week at Hearts, get real he will be looking for similar wages.
Green will be hoping that Alexander, Broadfoot and McCulloch all leave quickly to get them off the wage bill.
Ha ha! can't believe that Romanov would have payed Black 10K a week, i don't believe that any player at Hearts could have been on 3K a week never mind 10K! get real!
17 Jul 2012 10:39:02
Rangers Broadcast Blackout
Current TV deal with Sky and ESPN does not include D3. SFL confirm that no broadcaster has shown any interest in showing D3 for the coming season, even with Rangers playing in the league for the first time.
I think even if Sky and ESPN do pull out Rangers and Celtic could sell their rights individually and perhaps be as well or better off than with what the current deal offers.
It is how this impacts on the other clubs that will be telling - again I suppose there would be provision for monies to be paid to them for the games they play featuring Celtic or Rangers which in reality was most of the televised games.
Only difference I suppose now that the two clubs are playing in different leagues is half the exposure for the opposition.
P.S. before anyone points in out I am aware that it is not 'Rangers' anymore but using the name Rangers for ease.
If it's not Rangers any more, why are you on a Rangers website. Perhaps you could go find something better to do with your time.
Who are Rangers going to sell rights to if none of the broadcasters are interested?
Teams can't sell rights as they don't own any rights to sell them
It is still rangers as the newco will be playing under the oldco sfa licence if transferred.if not then rangers will be no more just what regan and lawell have wanted all along
Rangers are not watchable on TV in the third. It'll be a dire squad of kids and old guys against rotten competition.
Stories in press regarding sky pulling the plug on coverage of scottish football.yet in same press full page advert for sky subscription + 3 months free access to espn for full coverage of spl +scottish cup
surely a company about to call it a day re scottish football wouldn,t hoodwink prospective subscribers .me thinks press scaremongering as they have been since this sorry chapter in scottish football began.
SKY will not pull the plug. Ranger saccount for 30% of all Scottish fans. SKY won't risk a public backlash from the other 70%. They will negotiate in down, but it will be nowhere near as bad as the saremongering reports. We would probaly be in an even better position if those who are supposed to promote our game, were predicting the apocolypse!
Do celtic fans believe any gers fan will help the spl financially by paying for sky sports!!
Wait a minute here-Sky won't pull the plug because Rangers only account for 30% of all Scottish fans-what about 80% of the armchair Scottish fans who are bluenoses, doesn't that count?
17 Jul 2012 09:46:39
Rangers: Three more players set for departures
16 July 12 20:58
International players Carlos Bocanegra, Maurice Edu and Dorin Goian are poised to leave Rangers with the blessing of newco chief executive Charles Green.
And Green has addressed non-playing staff about the prospect of widespread redundancies at Ibrox as a result of the club playing in Division Three.
"Goian has been very loyal, willing to stay in Division One, as have Edu and Bocanegra," said Green.
"But you can't expect international players to play in Division Three."
Green revealed he had already spoken to Goian's agent, who told him that the Romania defender had received several offers.
And, like Goian, USA duo Bocanegra and Edu have been absent from the club's training ground, having been granted an extended summer break.
The impending departures follows the refusal of stars like Steven Naismith, Steven Davis, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty, Jamie Ness and John Fleck to transfer their contracts over to Green's newco.
"We're going to lose some more now for different reasons than the others," added Green. "But we can understand and we thank these players for their loyalty."
With the old Rangers heading for liquidation, the Scottish Premier League clubs rejected an application for membership from the consortium led by Green that bought the club's assets.
And Scottish Football League clubs on Friday voted in favour of admitting the new club to Division Three instead of Division One.
If Scottish FA membership can be negotiated, Rangers are due to be re-launched in the Ramsden's Cup first round against Brechin at Glebe Park on 28 July.
While the playing staff has already been reduced drastically, it would seem that there will have to be further cuts.
"There will be jobs going - the implications are huge," explained Green.
Large scale redundancies were avoided when the Ibrox club went into administration in February, largely due to top players agreeing to 75% salary reductions.
International clearance for the transfers of Davis, Lafferty, Ness, Whittaker and Naismith has been put on hold as Green continues to dispute the players' status.
Naismith has moved to Everton, Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Ness has joined Stoke.
Northern Ireland duo Davis and Lafferty are at Southampton and Swiss side Sion respectively, while goalkeeper Allan McGregor has had talks with Turkish club Besiktas.
Source BBC Sport Online.
17 Jul 2012 09:37:13
i see the dons have sold fyvie for £600,000 so that makes up their rangers cash shortfall for three years, and we havn't even kick a ball without you.. shamrock
You really need to grow up and look at the bigger picture. why are you on a div 3 teams rumours unless your just here for the p*ss take cant you get rangers out your mind?...mark.
To;bamcock ,dont you get it the gers are in the 3rd div; go and chase cars, your ph*sh is not welcome here , arent there any other spl rumours sites 2 go on or is septic site not interesting anymore.
Haha! Let me get this straight. Basically your saying;
"We sold one of best young players and most valuable commodity because you have gone so we haven't been affected!
No Mate! YOU SOLD YOUR MOST VALUABLE COMMODITY AND LOST ONE OF YOUR BEST!!! Clearly us leaving HAS affected you!
Dunderheid!
Bluegenius
You mean the player that could have quote easily gone for twice that money if aberdeen wernt desperate for the cash or had to sell him this season ... im firmly in the belief he iw one of scotalnds best young talents in 600k for a 19 yr old with time on his contract left is a bargain. If i were an aberdeen fan i would be gutted at losing him (not only cos he is one of their best players but cos the price also)
Only 40 grand short of the august 6th payment you'll not be getting so that will be 40 grand plus the rangers money you'll need to make up
"We sold one of best young players and most valuable commodity because you have gone so we haven't been affected!
Have you watched Fyvie play? I have and that discription would get you done by the trading standards. Basically Aberdeen have stolen the money. And well done to them
Also, the tv payments are reported to be more than £600k for the first installment which looks unlikely to be paid, so tell me how this covers your losses?
You should be more worried about your own club than spouting about others.
17 Jul 2012 08:25:40
Charles Green and his consortium are set to buy a Scottish league side. This will circumvent the problems with accepting further transfer bans and signing restrictions.
Any further punishment will have minimal effect.
As we are in Div3 and even if we had the tea lady in goal we would probably still win.
Still has to pass the SFA "fit and proper test" as an owner. How will it look in that respect if he tries to dodge the SFA and SPL bullets by buying another club - I think they would suspend whatever SPL club's membership.
In any event, no other SPL club fanbase would accept their club history being diluted by merging two histories.
Its getting boring now, silly at first now just boring.
Buy another SFL club. This is not going to happen. The petty little oiks at the SFA cannot separate the Oldco from the Newco as it is and they will still impose any sanctions they want on any incarnation of Rangers. If they were not so petty and hellbent on having their shot at hammering Rangers, all of this unseemly mess would have been over by 1st July. The best case scenario is accept the transfer embargo suspended for 1 year ( to show that Newco can and will comply with all fottball and financial regulations in the SFL ) and pay the £160k fine. Charles Green is negotiating with Uefa to try and get a deal done on any outstanding tranfer debt. I hope he can get the deal done.
How can he buy a SFL team, if he doesn't have the funds to keep the current club running?
I have been hearing about this since the day and hour Green was announced to be taking over.
Talk has been of Airdrie, Clyde or Cowdenbeath - also moving them to Ibrox and naming them Rangers United.
It is probably the cleanest route available at this point.
No matter what anyone says our history is dead with Rangers so we should accept that we should look at the cleanest and quickest way of getting Ibrox and the fans back at the top.
Doubt it but if they went down this road,there would definitely be no club next season.I they bought a club they would be known as that club,not RFC.It would be that clubs Licence,membership etc they would be buying.RFC would still be liquidated and Sevco would become the purchased club.This could not be completed legally(due diligence etc) before the start of the season.
This idea is dead before it's born.
Really? The other week they couldn't even afford to buy new towels for the first team squad.
Nae believing that one the sanctions are more less of a hit than losing the most of the fans as it wudnt be rangers!
Thus giving up history of rfc.
Fresh start no sanctions why did he not do this months ago
Bollox. With what? You need money to buy stuff, anything, fags, fags, booze, beans from £land, even a football club, and Oor Charlie hasnae goat any. His plan is fooked, as far as i could see, if he got us into Div 1 he would have kept only those players required to gain promotion, sell the rest to provide working capital for 1 saeson, then back in SPL next season and back to a normal income stream. Now it's Div 3, but the problem is the nest egg of player sales is gone, and he has no back-up finance to lubricate the required 3-in-a-row promotions neede. We'll be lucky if we start the new season with him in charge, or at all, and it's too late for anyone else to come in at this alte stage. HE HAS NO MONEY LEFT.
Its not just future sanctions that are standing in the way of the licence. The SFA have asked for clarification on investors and business plan so buying another club will make no difference unless Green provides these details. The SFA cannot afford to have Seveco not being able to see out the season, thats why Spartans are on standby.
You need a licence to carry on under your own club you can buy another one but youll be that club and play under that clubs name
"HE HAS NO MONEY LEFT"
What a ridiculous statement to make without evidence. The running costs have been getting paid, including player wages. That's evidence there is money. There is none to the contrary.
"What a ridiculous statement to make without evidence. The running costs have been getting paid, including player wages. That's evidence there is money. There is none to the contrary."
Your evidence that the costs are being paid?
Ur missing the point her mhuppet .... you cant make an accusation without evidence ..... pffft
If you would take some time to listen to Mr Green another guy just bought into the consortium for £1m.Check out sky sports news onward and upward but keep spouting your p**h brilliant watching yous proved wrong every day.
"Your evidence that the costs are being paid?"
Read the papers...I'm sure we'd know by now if nothing was being paid. Don't get more ridiculous than you've already been...
Check out sky sports news onward and upward but keep spouting your p**h brilliant watching yous proved wrong every day.?? thought you had all cancelled sky ?? the only ones you proved wrong are yous ... am not complaining thou the spl will enjoy spending your money next year every penny counts
"Check out sky sports news onward and upward but keep spouting your p**h brilliant watching yous proved wrong every day.? thought you had all cancelled sky ? the only ones you proved wrong are yous ... am not complaining thou the spl will enjoy spending your money next year every penny counts"
Go and play with your power rangers there's adult having a conversation here...
Why can't morons just be morons quietly? That way nobody would know they were morons!
Read the papers-How long did take to find out what Murray And Whyte Done.?
Tam
Theirs adult having a conversation here ? what one adult ? if your talking to yourself you could hardly be called an adult
How long did it take for the papers to finds out hearts werent paying wages?
17 Jul 2012 05:40:40
"There will be jobs going - the implications are huge," explained Green.
Other than the creditors not being paid, this is the other biggest scandal - the backroom staff at Ibrox losing their jobs through no fault of their own.
Ally mouthing off after he pleaded to the SPL chairman to remain in SPL. Then he pleaded at SFA to SFL chairmen for div1 slot, then Ally comes out and says he wanted div3.... Liar! But if he did want div3 then he wanted all the automatic redundancies. Ally really is a buffoon.
You must live in your own little world 1st when has ally pleaded to stay in the spl? 2nd when has ally asked for 1st division. in your own words ally cant win wonder what team you support? anyway think anybody with two brain cells can see your the buffoon...mark.
17 Jul 2012 05:37:25
4 more leaving; Edu, Bocanegra, Goian and Bedoya.
All employees warned off for staffing reviews and redundancies (no payments, club only days old).
Rumour Ally and his coaching team to be made redundant, they are not required for div3 football. Redundancy saves Ally from walking away accusation.
Staff wil be due redundancy payments as were their entitlements with pious employers. All benefits stay intact with any move.
There would have to be some form of payoff, if Green expects players to transfer over on TUPE, then he can't have it both ways and not honour the contracts of non-playing staff on the same system
Dont worry, there will be plenty of redundancies in the spl plus plenty of Celtic superstars heading soon as the Champions League campaign is over.
A shame for ally he dosent have a hope in hell for next season hows he ment to work with a bunch of kids
Ally should use the opportunity to serve his apprenticeship. Other than Question of Sport, he doesn't have any track record yet as a leader.
At least their is something to cheer about0- edu leaving!
The contracts that were TUPE'd across have to be honoured, and any redundancies need to be calculated from the previous contracts
Under TUPE their benefits slide over with them. However Newco owners are required to fund the TUPE rights which is millions, have they invested such millions? What about the Ibrox pension fund?
Green will be glad to get them off the wage bill. Alexander, Broadfoot and McCulloch will also have to go as they are unaffordable.
D&P should have done this months ago.
Dont worry, there will be plenty of redundancies in the spl ?? must be the worst comment iv heard yet your happy to watch hundreds of your own clubs staff loose their jobs as long as you get the perverse satisfaction of watching hundreds of other clubs loose their jobs aswell do you think the people with kids to feed and mortgages to pay will take comfort in your shallow self centred ways ... and you wonder why everyone else is taken great pleasure in watching your club suffer the decent fans are suffering because of clowns like you that let your club down now i really want to see you stripped of titles just to top it off
Post above i would agree with some of what you say nobody should take pleasure out of job losses and others misfortunes! they are just unwanted idiots not wanted by any team! oh wait that also applies to you ( taken great pleasure in watching your club suffer) and may i add in suffering that you enjoy so much is causing job losses! so to you my nameless friend i can only say pot kettle....mark.
I think under TUPE law, if redundancies are made by a company they only have to offer one weeks wages for every year a person has been at the company. J
Marky you must have picked me up wrong let me explain it more clearly ... i couldnt give a toss about your club or anyone associated with it i dislike your club and everything it stands for i will not loose sleep over any blue blazer job losses because like the post i was replying to his attitude sums up the attitude of your whole club and everything it stands for thats the attitude that got you into this mess and says you deserve everything you get people read his attitude and then associate it with the ones that are loosing jobs just like people read novos comments and think who cares about the players either ... however i would not say its ok for my club to loose jobs just to get the satisfaction of watching it... comprendy ?
17 Jul 2012 05:30:39
Rangers: Three more players set for departures
16 July 12 20:58
International players Carlos Bocanegra, Maurice Edu and Dorin Goian are poised to leave Rangers with the blessing of newco chief executive Charles Green.
And Green has addressed non-playing staff about the prospect of widespread redundancies at Ibrox as a result of the club playing in Division Three.
"Goian has been very loyal, willing to stay in Division One, as have Edu and Bocanegra," said Green.
"But you can't expect international players to play in Division Three."
Green revealed he had already spoken to Goian's agent, who told him that the Romania defender had received several offers.
And, like Goian, USA duo Bocanegra and Edu have been absent from the club's training ground, having been granted an extended summer break.
The impending departures follows the refusal of stars like Steven Naismith, Steven Davis, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty, Jamie Ness and John Fleck to transfer their contracts over to Green's newco.
"We're going to lose some more now for different reasons than the others," added Green. "But we can understand and we thank these players for their loyalty."
With the old Rangers heading for liquidation, the Scottish Premier League clubs rejected an application for membership from the consortium led by Green that bought the club's assets.
And Scottish Football League clubs on Friday voted in favour of admitting the new club to Division Three instead of Division One.
If Scottish FA membership can be negotiated, Rangers are due to be re-launched in the Ramsden's Cup first round against Brechin at Glebe Park on 28 July.
While the playing staff has already been reduced drastically, it would seem that there will have to be further cuts.
"There will be jobs going - the implications are huge," explained Green.
Large scale redundancies were avoided when the Ibrox club went into administration in February, largely due to top players agreeing to 75% salary reductions.
International clearance for the transfers of Davis, Lafferty, Ness, Whittaker and Naismith has been put on hold as Green continues to dispute the players' status.
Naismith has moved to Everton, Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Ness has joined Stoke.
Northern Ireland duo Davis and Lafferty are at Southampton and Swiss side Sion respectively, while goalkeeper Allan McGregor has had talks with Turkish club Besiktas.
17 Jul 2012 03:27:07
Rangers: Three more players set for departures
16 July 12 20:58
International players Carlos Bocanegra, Maurice Edu and Dorin Goian are poised to leave Rangers with the blessing of newco chief executive Charles Green.
And Green has addressed non-playing staff about the prospect of widespread redundancies at Ibrox as a result of the club playing in Division Three.
"Goian has been very loyal, willing to stay in Division One, as have Edu and Bocanegra," said Green.
"But you can't expect international players to play in Division Three."
Green revealed he had already spoken to Goian's agent, who told him that the Romania defender had received several offers.
And, like Goian, USA duo Bocanegra and Edu have been absent from the club's training ground, having been granted an extended summer break.
The impending departures follows the refusal of stars like Steven Naismith, Steven Davis, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty, Jamie Ness and John Fleck to transfer their contracts over to Green's newco.
"We're going to lose some more now for different reasons than the others," added Green. "But we can understand and we thank these players for their loyalty."
With the old Rangers heading for liquidation, the Scottish Premier League clubs rejected an application for membership from the consortium led by Green that bought the club's assets.
And Scottish Football League clubs on Friday voted in favour of admitting the new club to Division Three instead of Division One.
If Scottish FA membership can be negotiated, Rangers are due to be re-launched in the Ramsden's Cup first round against Brechin at Glebe Park on 28 July.
While the playing staff has already been reduced drastically, it would seem that there will have to be further cuts.
"There will be jobs going - the implications are huge," explained Green.
Large scale redundancies were avoided when the Ibrox club went into administration in February, largely due to top players agreeing to 75% salary reductions.
International clearance for the transfers of Davis, Lafferty, Ness, Whittaker and Naismith has been put on hold as Green continues to dispute the players' status.
Naismith has moved to Everton, Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Ness has joined Stoke.
Northern Ireland duo Davis and Lafferty are at Southampton and Swiss side Sion respectively, while goalkeeper Allan McGregor has had talks with Turkish club Besiktas.